Who would have thought that a President of the United States was using a social-security number issued in a state where he wasn’t living and to a man born in 1890? Add to this the fact that he had no US birth certificate. What a mess! It’s all true and I have proof.
I’m not talking about these error-laden databases Orly Taitz used to link President Obama with an 1890 birth date. I’m talking about a verifiable official source, the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) itself.
I must admit that I was more than a little surprised to see the familiar presidential name and the 1890 birth date in the index. But there it was. Following is a screen print from Ancestry.com (but there are many SSDI lookup sites you can check yourself).
Eisenhower, born October 14, 1890, was living on his a farm in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania in 1962. So how did he get a California social-security number issued in 19621?
Questions were raised about Eisenhower’s birth certificate too. Apparently he didn’t even have one! He had to get his birth registered to avoid scandal when he ran for President.
Coincidences like this just don’t happen. It has to be some sort of a conspiracy.
1One possible explanation is that Eisenhower was vacationing in California, and got the SSN at a local Social Security office while he was there.
The conspiracy is deeper than you realize, I tells ya.
How did Eisenhower have dual US-German citizenship?
The same way Obama had dual citizenship at birth. Eisenhower and his coterie did a good job of concealing his affair with Kay Summersby, so he could be elected president.
One more thing about Eisenhower: Dulles believed that black people were intellectually inferior, and he was an anti-Semite.
If indeed Eisenhower had dual citizenship it would have been through his German parents. He would have lost it when he went to war against Germany. The law in effect in 1890 is not readily available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law
My article only says this is reported, and it is, for example, at Yahoo Answers. I don’t mean it as an authoritative conclusion that Eisenhower was born a dual citizen. I only include this speculation in my article for humorous effect.
I have a copy of Ike’s SS-5 on my blog: http://rcradioshow.blogspot.com/2011/05/dwight-eisenhowers-social-security.html
“One possible explanation is that Eisenhower was vacationing in California, and got the SSN at a local Social Security office while he was there.”
There is strong evidence that President Eisenhower and his wife were in Palm Springs in the spring of 1962.
http://www.palmspringslife.com/Palm-Springs-Life/Desert-Guide/April-2010/The-quotCottage-quot-the-Eisenhowers-Called-Home/
“One man’s cottage is another man’s castle, and the one they call the “Presidential Cottage” at Eldorado Country Club is as snug a castle as any you’ll find this side of the Rhine. Located on the eleventh fairway of the country club’s golf course, it’s the place that former President and Mrs. Dwight Eisenhower are calling home through their winter vacation in the desert.”
“(The Eisenhowers are leasing it—for an unannounced sum—until spring; the home is owned by Eldorado Properties, Incorporated, and will be available to other distinguished lessees when the Eisenhowers move out.)” ( Republished from the February 1962 Issue of Palm Springs Life Magazine.)
And there is this photo.
http://itssosunny.tumblr.com/post/6637388225/john-f-kennedy-meets-with-dwight-d-eisenhower-at
Of course, Polarik will be able to show that the photo is a fake and that Frank Sinatra, not President Eisenhower, was standing next to President Kennedy.
And there’s also the issue of Eisenhower’s delayed issue birth certificate. The delay was 62 years for Dwight David Eisenhower (whose birth name was David Dwight Eisenhower).
Or perhaps it was David Hussein Eisenhower. We only have his brother’s word for it.
According to Don Nicoloff the Eisenhower BC is a forgery.
http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower1.html
But then Nicoloff is also convinced that President George W. Bush’s real name was George H. Scherff.
10/72
Legislation amended Section 205(c)(2) of the Social Security Act to require evidence to establish age, true identity, and citizenship or alien status from SSN applicants.
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https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210001
The Usurper Eisenhower had to get his SS-5 in before the new law to provide evidence of true identity took effect.
Maybe these girls just need to become co-Presidents:
http://news.yahoo.com/2-sisters-ky-fight-social-security-numbers-164220180.html
Interestingly, Richard Nixon applied for social-security number the year following Eisenhower (1963), also in California. I don’t think JFK ever had a SSN. Lyndon Johnson got his SSN in DC in 1961-62.
Wow. Until now I never knew that all of those Presidents were secretly born in Kenya and smuggled back into the United States at only a few days old. Fascinating!
I don’t why it’s not listed in the death index.
JFK SSN – 026-22-3747
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Ready-Reference/JFK-Miscellaneous-Information.aspx
I wonder: can’t we find one person, ideally a celebrity, for who those “SSN databases” the birthers used also returns multiple entries?
I mean, a retort like “Sarah Palin and Ronald Reagan and Jennifer Aniston also have 10+ SSN’s associated – are they illegal aliens and criminals, too?” would be priceless. 😉
It would require someone to violate the terms of those databases, and possibly lose access. Something no “Obot” has been willing to due.
Dr. Conspiracy:
It looks like Eisenhower was obviously in California in April 1962 when he filled out his Social Security form, so that would explain why he has a Social Security number that refers to California instead of to Pennsylvania, the state listed on Eisenhower’s application form that you display on your site.
So do you still say that Social Security made a mistake when it gave Eisenhower a California number when it should have given him a Pennsylvania number? That is, do you still say that Eisenhower filled out his Social Security application in Pennsylvania instead of in California in April 1962?
For the record, I don’t like Obama.
I believe that something is seriously wrong when Hawaiian teenager Obama got a Connecticut Social Security number in the 1970s when he should have received a Hawaii number.
And if we find out that Hawaii teenager Obama is the only Hawaiian in the history of Hawaii to receive a Connecticut Social Security, number, then I say that President Obama has some serious explaining to do as to why he is the only Hawaii person in the history of Hawaii to receive a Connecticut number when he should have received a Hawaii number. mirse
So, big deal. You don’t like someone. That’s fine and that is your right.
But there is something pathetically wrong to have to look for cheap excuses to smear someone or make up crazy scenarios just because you don’t like someone. If you can’t distinguish between your emotional state and reality, then the issue is with you and you need to do some soul searching.
How sad and pathetic that you blame a teenager because the government agency issuing his Social Security number gave him one that began with a prefix that you mistakingly attribute to CT.
Typos happen all the time. Human nature. The difference between where Obama lived and this so-called CT number for the prefix is ONE digit – the difference between a zero and a nine. Guess what, they happen to be right next to each other on the keyboard.
Further, the official website for Social Security numbers clearly states right on it a disclaimer that the numbers assigned do NOT necessarily correspond to where you live.
But I guess in your pre-conceived emotional predjudices, you just selectively turn a blind-eye and ignore these actual facts, because they don’t suit your petty desires.
Face it, what this comes down to is that there is NOTHING at all really wrong with Obama’s birthplace, eligibility, SSN or personal information. You however, merely desperately wish there was and prefer to live in that fantasy instead of deal with reality.
john mirse,
What is the advantage that teenaged Obama would have gained by having a “Connecticut” SS number instead of the “Hawaiian” SS number?
What wrongdoing occurred here?
Before accusing someone of being a criminal, you have to at least articulate what crime was committed.
I can’t imagine why President Eisenhower did not have a “New York” social security number while he was employed as President of Columbia University, unless for some reason employees of private educational institutions were exempt at the time. I don’t know and I don’t care.
I don’t know why President Kennedy had a “Massachusetts” social security number. A long time ago there was quite the to-do that despite being a Congressman and Senator from Massachusetts, President Kennedy listed a Palm Beach address on his tax return. I’m not a fan of tax dodgers, but as I was born after President Kennedy died, I just know him from history.
I don’t have an “Indiana” social security number, despite spending my whole life here until I went away to school. And I don’t have a “Colorado” number, which is where school was. Can’t explain it. Have no recollection about how or when I got it. My wife, another Hoosier, has a “Wisconsin” number but she thinks that’s related to a summer camp job there. She doesn’t know, and, you know what, no one cares. They still let her teach here and take her word she’s a Hoosier despite persuasive evidence she’s really a Badger.
The President has a number that the issuing agency says does not have the significance you ascribe to it. Time to get over it. (Frankly, I don’t subscribe to the transposition error theory. I think he needed a social security number when he was working for Baskin Robbins, he filled out the paperwork, and the company, with its HQ in Connecticut, got him a number so that BR could comply with IRS reporting requirements.)
And, for the record, I like President Obama. I didn’t vote for him; I voted for the other guy. I’m not going to vote for him in 2012. I’m now on my county Republican Committee and in all likelihood I’ll be on the state committee in 2012. If you start out saying you don’t like someone you never met, you need to go back to school; Sunday School, that is. There are people I don’t like, but, by and large, my conclusion is based upon meeting them. We are all God’s children, and we would be far better off acting like that rather than spreading gossip and announcing we don’t like someone whose fault seems to be a dedication to public service.
Most excellent advice!!!
That’s the most likely explanation, particularly for a SSN issued in 1962 when local offices issued them. In 1977, when Obama’s was issued, they were centrally issued so a different explanation is indicated for his. The fact of the matter is that the SSN sequence sometimes doesn’t refer to residence, as the SSA itself says, and say numerous anecdotal stories on this web site.
The point I hope the reader takes away from this story is that just because something looks inexplicable at first glance doesn’t mean something fishy is going on. Some in-depth research on Eisenhower’s travels revealed that he was in California. One shouldn’t jump to conclusions. In the case of Obama, birthers jump to conclusions all the time.
Would that be a feasible alternative theory? I’m not familiar with the way employees are handled in the US, so can anyone make a statement?
They were founded in California and the current corporate headquarters is in Massacusetts. In the mid-1970’s, they were owned by a British food company. So when were they headquartered in Connecticut?
If you are ever curious about your social security number, you can get a copy of your ss-5 card from the Social Security Administration.
Typos happen all the time. Human nature. The difference between where Obama lived and this so-called CT number for the prefix is ONE digit – the difference between a zero and a nine. Guess what, they happen to be right next to each other on the keyboard.
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G: Are you sure that the Social Security clerk used a computer keyboard or a typewriter back in the 1970s at the central office in Baltimore to put Obama’s number on his application form?
That is, is it possible that clerks handwrote Social Security numbers on the top of application forms—like Obama’s number 042-68-4425—and they did not use a computer keyboard or a typewriter to do it? mirse
It is certainly possible that on the President’s ss-5 card the clerk handwrote or stamped the ssn. In fact, that makes sense since ortherwise they would have to load the ss-5 into a typewriter. But are you saying that in the 1970’s the processing of social security cards was all handwritten.
Ok, a whole bunch of ss-5 cards arrive in Baltimore, were they split up into groups? How are they divided? Did someone misread the zip code and throw into the wrong pile to be processed. Remember the SSA says that the geographic locator is not important so why would they care or even try to correct it. The GAO once did a statistical study of the SS database, they estimate a 4% error rate. These are errors that result in the recipient not getting their benefits or an employer getting a mismatch letter. The kind of error that would result in someone from Hawaii geting a Connecticutt prefix would not even be considered an error for reporting purposes.
Ok, here is the Thomas Wood SS-5 card that was part of Orly’s lawsuit.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50687669/SSA-Dump-Thomas-Wood-s-Social-Security-Records-RE-Obama-2-28-2011
The SS-5 card is the last page (page 5) and the ssn is handwritten. But the two pages above the ss-5 are computer printouts of the same information that is on the card. So somebody at some point had to input the datafrom the ss-5 into the computer.
So, do you think they did everything manually (handwritten) and then inputted it into the computer or did they input the data into the computer, get a ssn and then handwrite the results onto the ss-5 card? If you have the computer system, why would you not use it to assign the ssn?
Gorefan essentially addressed what I was going to say. Short answer – both handwritten or typed is possible for that timeframe. At the point that the card becomes processed, it is more than likely typed.
Of course we don’t know what happened for sure, but the simplest and most rational explanation is a 0/9 typo error. After all, that coincidentally happens to be the only difference from one that you wish to associate with CT and one that happens to fall around where it should in HI.
But the bigger point is none of that really matters – period. Go to the Soc Sec website yourself or call them directly. They can’t spell it out any clearer than they already do in stating that there is no automatic correlation between the number one receives and where they live.
Despite the obvious answer, the location of the number does not matter, I did find looking at the documents interesting, in a process sort of way. It looks like the District Office in New Britain, CT, send some sort of telex (or the early version of email) request to the Baltimore office, providing the information from the SS-5. It is possible that they would send the information to Baltimore and then Baltimore would then respond with a number which the office would write on the SS-5. I do not know for sure and, lacking a response page from Baltimore, I figure there is a step or twenty missing. All I am fairly sure about is that a request of some type went from the SSADO in New Britain to Baltimore. This is an easy place for a typo to happen.
I agree that it is the process that is interesting. Why there are two separate telex from SSADO to Baltimore, both with the same handwritten notations but located in different places, is a mystery. But may be related to the fact that this young man died and there is a SSA process for those occasions.
As Rhett said to Scarlett, “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”.
In response to Gorefan, my recollection is that I read when President Obama was working for Baskin Robbins the company was owned by a conglomerate with its HQ in Connecticut.
In any event, I don’t care. As I said, I have a social security number with a decidedly non-Indiana prefix, and I don’t how that happened. I figure that if the Air Force let me fly jets for all those years they didn’t care either. If my social security number had to follow strict rules to get a security clearance, no one was paying attention. No one seems to have gone to the county courthoudse to check that the birth certificate I presented as part of the admission process to the Academy was genuine.
But then again, I’m white. And I don’t have a funny name. So people like Mr. Mirse don’t if my social security number doesn’t match.
John Reilly said: “In any event, I don’t care. As I said, I have a social security number with a decidedly non-Indiana prefix, and I don’t how that happened. ”
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Reilly: What state does the first 3 digits of your Social Security refer to? Is it Connecticut?
Did you apply after the 1970s, when Social Security, as I understand it, went to a centralized system out of Baltimore, Maryland?
My first 3 digits refer to the state where I applied.
mirse
You have not been listening. The SSA states themselves that “One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information.” Therefore, the first 3 numbers, by the 70s, does not really have any bearing on anything.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html
In 1977 Baskin-Robbins was owned by J. Lyons and Co., a British restaurant chain. Coincidentally, Margaret Thatcher worked for J. Lyons and Co. in 1959 as a chemist. I think we can concoct a pretty decent conspiracy theory from all of this if we work at it.
Mr. Mirse: I do not mean to sound harsh, but the first three digits of my social security number are none of your business, just like President Obama’s social security number is none of anyone’s business. Publication of such personal details is a slippery slope towards identity theft. In the President’s case, Ms. Taitz has proven beyond any doubt that once she and others started publishing the President’s number, the number of false positives in credit databases exploded as mischief makers used his number for amusemnt or more nefarious purposes.
The President was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii confirms that. Why do you, or anyone else, want to continue to circulate nonsense which will adversely impact the effort to elect someone else? The Birther position is so wrong that it has trouble attracting any support in Congress, a body which supports a fair number of silly ideas at any one time. In the last election cycle many Republican candidates announced that they did not believe in evolution. In this cycle, it appears we may have just started a race to deny global warming.
It is easy enough to challenge President Obama on his record of not getting us out of the recession and not creating jobs, Why do we want to damage that powerful message with an appeal to ignorance and racism?
From your link:
The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant’s mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.
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The note you refer to explains that the numbers were used for bookkeeping purposes, not that numbers were randomly assigned. The area number was based upon the zip code of the mailing address, not the residence of the applicant, which may or may not have been the same address. Without further analysis, it would seem strange that Obama’s number has a geographic location of Connecticut when there wasn’t any evidence that the application would have been mailed from there. Further analysis shows that a key punch error makes a lot of sense. To say that the first three numbers don’t mean anything at all is not a good interpretation of the note if read in conjunction with the other information. There is a link at the bottom of that page that takes you to an explanation debunking that the middle numbers were assigned based on race. That simply was not true. However, the first three numbers were based on the geographic location of where the application was filed. The number is not meant to prove place of residence or anything else. If there were a mistake in entering the zip code, no one would have lost employment over the error. The information was not going to be used for any official purpose.
If we throw in that President Reagan was born in Ireland (preRepublic days).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President_Reagan_in_Ballyporeen_Ireland.jpg
Maybe this is an on going conspiracy by the United Kingdom countries to retake what they lost in the Revolutionary War.
There actually is another meta conspiracy theory which says that birtherism was started, and/or is fueled, by Obama supporters because they know it will diminish the Republicans’ chances of winning the election. 😉
Well said. No one should mistakingly think that these were “randomly assigned” when the whole point is merely that they are not necesarily corralative to where someone resides. The simplest and most logical explanation continues to be typographical error when processing the application and such typographical errors have no impact on the legitimacy or use of the number generated, so they are harmless and not in need of any correction by the issuing agency.
Dr. Conspiracy wrote: “Questions were raised about Eisenhower’s birth certificate too. Apparently he didn’t even have one! He had to get his birth registered to avoid scandal when he ran for President.”
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Didn’t Hawaiian teenager Obama need to present a long form birth certificate when he applied for his Social Security card in the 1970s?
I guess he used the one he accidentally found in his home as a youngster, the one he wrote about in one his books.
Little League World Series begins this weekend of Sat. Aug. 20, 2011: I wonder why Obama did not play Little League in Hawaii, where Little League is very popular.
On the internet, we see a picture of little Obama swinging a bat, and we read that Gov. Abercrombrie (sp?) told a reporter that he saw young Obama playing T-ball, an entry level baseball league for children not yet old enough to play regular Little League.
Could this be the answer: Obama could not produce a long form birth certificate as required by Little League officials?
As we know, Obama was a pretty good athlete growing up in Hawaii, for instance, he was a very good second team player on a high school state basketball championship team.
Also, while growing up, Obama seemed to be just a little bigger and taller than Hawaiian Asian-Americans his own age, an advantage that helped him be a star athlete among his friends.
So why don’t we see any photos of Obama in a Little League uniform, when it looks like Obama was a pretty good athlete growing up, and when probably several of his school friends played Little League?
My theory is this: good athlete Obama did not play Little League because he could not produce a long form birth certificate as required by Little League officials.
is there enough room in the FEMA camps to hold all the un-americans that didn’t play little league?
So are you saying he had no birth certificate from anywhere? Because Little League in Hawaii would certainly not limit itself to only Hawaiian birth certificates, would it? I man, surely a kid born in California or Japan could play Hawaiian Little League? Also, where does it say only “long form” certificates are acceptable to Little League. Since those are no longer issued in many jurisdictions, is Little League on its last legs?
Finally, is it true Sarah Palin’s kids played hockey because she is secretly Canadian?
Or for those like me who played using a souvenir “footsie” form in spite of the long form requirement.
I knew it would catch up with me.
Congratulations! You just won the award for stupidest speculation of the day! I wonder what you can pull out of your arse next…
Hahaha. Ok I get it this was Mirse is just playing a practical joke.
In other news, Social Security admits it makes typographic mistakes.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-social-security-wrongly-declares-14000-people-dead-each-year-20110817,0,3267092.story
G wrote: Congratulations! You just won the award for stupidest speculation of the day! I wonder what you can pull out of your arse next…
john mirse: My theory is this: good athlete Obama did not play Little League because he could not produce a long form birth certificate as required by Little League officials.
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I wish reporters and Little League national officials would ask President Obama during this week of the Little League World Series in Pennsylvania why he didn’t play Little League in Hawaii, when Little League has always been very popular in Hawaii, and young Obama was a pretty good athlete growing up in Hawaii.
They could also ask Obama for his comment on why the State Department recently rejected the visa application of the Little League team from Uganda that was representing Africa.
As I understand it, the State Department had problems with the birth certificates or documents verifying that the players were who they said they were and were the age that the papers said they were.
I found the Uganda story sad, because these young people from mostly very poor backgrounds had worked very hard to win the Little League championship of Africa, but the State Department wouldn’t let them enter the United States to take part in the Little League World Series.
I think that the team from Saudi Arabia replaced the Ugandan team.
john mirse: Did Michelle Bachmann play football in high school? It’s very popular in iowa?
What evidence is there that he didn’t play Little League?
Pretty sure I remember seeing this exact same Little League theory posted on here before. The poster will just move on to the next repeat story until he reaches the bottom of the srandard birther list, then go back to the top and start again.
we now officially have “The Bad News Birthers”.
Well, why not? The shameless birther are looking for President Obama’s old g/fs now. As if their existence / acknowledgments would mean anything …. it’s quite possible he doesn’t have any! Of course, the homophobic commenters at WND have taken this tale in a predictable direction. The level of scrutiny knows no bounds. “What toilaet paper did he use as a child? He doesn’t remember? Why not? Did he even use toilet paper? Of course not: there is no toilet paper in Kenya!”
Neither I, nor my brothers required a LFBC when I signed up for little league. My son did not require one, nor did any of my nephews.
Anything else you’d like to be wrong about today?
There used to be, but Lucas bought it all up to forge BC’s with
john mirse- I think you may be on to something. Maybe the reason that Obama never had a driver’s license or a passport, never went to grade school, never went to high school or college, never got married, never got his law degree or opened a bank account, or ran for public office is because he never had a long-form birth certificate.
Oh, wait- he actually did all those things you need a birth certificate for!
I’m confused- What does this mean?
Forget about Obama- what about Rick Perry? Rodeos are very popular in Texas, yet we have no record of Rick Perry ever participating in one!
My theory is this: good athlete Perry did not participate in rodeos because he could not produce a long form birth certificate as required by rodeo officials.
Has anyone seen ANY birth records for Rick Perry, long or short form? I’m sure you’ll be right on it, john mirse.
Daniel said: “Neither I, nor my brothers required a LFBC when I signed up for little league. My son did not require one, nor did any of my nephews.
Anything else you’d like to be wrong about today?”
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So I guess you and your brothers provided a certified SHORT FORM birth certificate to league officials so you all could play.
Myself, I provided a long form birth certificate when I played, because that is what I had.
Were you and your brothers any good? It doesn’t matter in Little League. I wasn’t very good.
That is what is so great about Little League: If a youngster wanted to play even though he was not very good, the league would find a place for him if his parents wanted him to play badly enough.
Poor Obama. We know how much he loves sports and how competitive he is. He also wants to win no matter what he is doing. His sports passion seems to be golf right now.
But when it came to Little League in Hawaii, it looks like poor big and tall and athletic Obama could not even provide the minimum certified SHORT FORM birth certificate to league officials so that he could play Little League in Hawaii, a state where Little League is very popular.
Wow, you really suffer from extreme ODS, don’t you? Focus on your own life instead of worrying about Obama’s childhood.
As others have pointed out, you can’t even prove that he DIDN’T play Little League. You simply don’t know one way or another, so you just make up ridiculous BS.
To be so wrapped up in your made-up fantasy speculation is a sure sign that you’ve become untethered from reality.
Actually, you are wrong his love growing up was basketball. He played t-ball when very young but then he moved to Indonesia for 5 years (age 5 to 10 years approximate). When he got back his baseball skills were rusty so he switched to basketball. And never looked back.
I understand his baseball career was extremely short because he could not hit a curve ball and his throws consistently missed the cutoff man.
By the way Kobe Bryant never played little league.
Gorefan wrote: By the way Kobe Bryant never played little league.
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Kobe who? Just kidding.
Is this the main reason that 10 to 12 year old Kobe did not play Little League baseball : He was being raised in Europe by his pro basketball father during the time when he was Little League eligible?
In addition, I believe that in Europe, baseball, especially Little League baseball, is not very well-known or popular. That is, while in Europe, 10 to 12 year old Kobe did not get a chance to nurture a liking for baseball, especially Little League baseball, because in Europe soccer and basketball are popular.
From the internet: “Kobe got a chance to hone his skills each summer, when the Bryants flew back to visit family and friends in Philadelphia. From the age of 10, he competed in the city’s high-powered Sonny Hill League and held his own against boys his age and older. His father and Pam’s brother, John, counseled him on areas of his game that needed improving.”
You dance divinely.
You previously claimed that one HAD to have a LFBC to join Little League. I pointed out your error.
Now you’re obfuscating by going off on irrelevant tangents and trying to intimate that you only meant that you used a LFBC ’cause that’s what you had.
I guess being able to admit when you’re plain wrong is just one moral conviction Birthers are incapable of.
G wrote: As others have pointed out, you can’t even prove that he DIDN’T play Little League. You simply don’t know one way or another, so you just make up ridiculous BS.
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All I know is the following:
1. There are no pictures of young Obama in a Little League uniform.
2. There are no team pictures with Obama in them. Even if Obama’s family never took pictures of Obama and his Little League team, surely the parents of other team members would have pictures of the team with Obama in them, yet not one person has come forward to show us a picture of his Little League team with Obama in it.
3. We have team pictures of Obama on his high school basketball team, but no pictures of little Obama in a team Little League picture.
4. Obama sometimes talks about his high school basketball days, but he never talks about his Little League days.
5 He doesn’t even write about playing Little League in any of his books.
6. Not a single person has come forward and told us that Obama played on his Little League team.
I give you the above information and leave it up to you and others to judge for yourselves if Obama played Little League in Hawaii when he was 10 to 12 years old.
I played Little League, and both my parents wrre born here. I guess I’m eligible to be President. Oh, and I’m white, so none of those details matter.
I suppose if President Obama played AYSO that would not qualify him. AYSO is far more concerned with birthdates that Little League. On the other habnd, its a foreign sport, so it doesn’t count.
I don’t recall producing a birth certificate for myself or my children in any sport. We filled out a form and handed it in. When the kids were the right age for these sports, we lived on bases (not baseball bases, Mr, Mirse) and our vital records were back home, in storage, at my parents’ farm in Indiana. I’m sure glad I didn’t need to take out the old F18 and go home to get a document just so they could play.
Oh yeah. I’m white. (The kids are, too.) Those pesky rules don’t apply to the white folks.
What difference does any of this make? Who cares if President Obama played little league baseball? The State of Hawaii has still conclusively stated that President Obama was definitely born in Hawaii, which makes him a natural born citizen and our legal president, since birth in the country confers natural born citizenship. It seems like you are simply trying to underhandedly de-Americanize President Obama by suggesting that by not participating in little league, he fails some test of Americanness.
WTF is with your sad, strange obsession??? Who cares! Your points are absolutely meaningless. They neither prove nor disprove that he played Little League. They are completely irrelevant. Nobody has come forward or shown any pictures of him listening to Elvis either… but the probability is quite strong that he has. Same about eating hot dogs. Or chewing gum. Or using crayola crayons. Seriously now. This silliness of what he has or hasn’t done as a child could go on all day and not have ANY relevance whatsoever at all.
Nor is the issue of whether he played Little League relevant to ANYTHING in terms of Presidential Eligibility NOR the ability to run a country.
You are a totally obsessed nutjob! Sorry, but there are many American children who grow up and never play a day of baseball in their life. They are no less American than anyone else.
Daniel wrote: You dance divinely.
You previously claimed that one HAD to have a LFBC to join Little League. I pointed out your error.
Now you’re obfuscating by going off on irrelevant tangents and trying to intimate that you only meant that you used a LFBC ’cause that’s what you had.
I guess being able to admit when you’re plain wrong is just one moral conviction Birthers are incapable of
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I write a lot of messages and I sometimes don’t remember what I wrote, so could you please quote me and show me where I wrote one HAD to have ONLY a long form birth certificate to play Little League and that a certified SHORT FROM birth certificate was not acceptable.
Thanks.
I have checked several Little League sites over the past months, and they said that a certified birth certificate was required. They didn’t specifically say that a long form birth certificate was required. The key word here is “certified”.
It you and others got the impression that I meant that ONLY a long form birth certificate was acceptable, I hope that this message clears up any confusion my original message left with you and other readers.
Poor tall and athletic Obama. He couldn’t even provide a SHORT FORM birth certificate to Hawaii Little League officials, so he was never able to sign up to play Little League baseball in Hawaii, where Little League is very popular.
Poor sad and pathetic John Mirse, eternally stuck on stupid… flogging a meaningless speculative scenario, for which there is no actual evidence to support.
Poor sad and pathetic John Mirse. Obsessed about meaningless Little League baseball in some worthless and tragically flawed argument about birth certificates, which he tries to use against someone who has presented both his COLB and his LFBC…and of which the state of HI has repeatedly backed. Someone who has gone to schools and colleges in America, owned a car, passports, a house, gotten married and held several public offices. Gee, John Mirse, don’t ya think Obama’s been presenting his ID info for all these things his entire life, just as everyone else? *duh*
You are so busy wrapping yourself in your little fantasy hate-ons that you’ve thrown away all common sense.
How many other Presidents have been in the Little League?
According to the Little League only two Vice Presidents have been in the Little League (Biden and Quayle). And only George W. Bush is listed in their Hall of Excellence. According to you this means that all these other Presidents and Vice Presidents didn’t have birth certificates.
Now you are just making things up.
This is weird, isn’t it? According to him every kid in Hawaii played Little League Baseball except President Obama.
First, you fall for the old fallacy of “absence of evidence is evidence of absence”.
Second, even if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama never played Little League, this has absolutely zero value as to whether he has a Hawaiian BC or not.
It would just be another meaningless non-fact that birthers try to heap up in the hope that 100 non-facts would somehow make 1 real-fact.
Besides, let’s talk intellectual dishonesty here: If it were proven Obama played Little League, would that convince you he has a Hawaiian BC?
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So our troll cannot respond to the SSN responses so it time for him to change the subject to trivial nonsense. I will just have to assume this is his tacit affirmation that there is nothing unusual about the President’s SSN. Though, I do not like of the idea of agreeing by not saying anything, but since the birthers are so fond of it, I will have to assume it applies to the troll.
The Magic M said: “Besides, let’s talk intellectual dishonesty here: If it were proven Obama played Little League, would that convince you he has a Hawaiian BC?”
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Are you saying that you have proof that Obama played Little League in Hawaii? If you do, then let’s see it. Enquiring minds want to know.
I’m sure President Obama will be very surprised to learn that he played Little League in Hawaii.
Guys, Mr mirse is onto something. The Constution says that you have to have played Little League to be President. It’s right there in the footnotes to Article II. Sorry, Michelle Bachmann, you are disqualified.
Northland 10 wrote “So our troll cannot respond to the SSN responses so it time for him to change the subject to trivial nonsense. I will just have to assume this is his tacit affirmation that there is nothing unusual about the President’s SSN. Though, I do not like of the idea of agreeing by not saying anything, but since the birthers are so fond of it, I will have to assume it applies to the troll.”
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President Obama could quickly put an end to the Connecticut Social Security number controversy by simply getting a copy of his Social Security application from Social Security and releasing it to the public, just like he got a copy of his long form birth certificate from Hawaii and released it to the world on April 27, 2011.
1962: We see former President Eisenhower’s 1962 Social Security application form on the internet.
1977: We see Thomas Wood’s 1977 Connecticut Social Security application on the internet with the number 042-68-4424, a Connecticut number that is just one digit lower than President’ Obama’s 042-68-4425.
If Social Security has Eisenhower’s 1962 and Wood’s 1977 application forms on record, then surely it has Hawaiian teenager Obama’s application form from the 1970s, especially when Wood’s Connecticut 042-68-4424 number is just one digit lower than Obama’s Connecticut 042-68-4425 number.
NOTE: Eisenhower and Wood are deceased, so, as I understand it, that is the reason why their applications are available to the public from Social Security.
Wood’s application form: Looking at the Social Security form that Wood filled out, I don’t see any requirements on the form that would embarrass Obama if Obama released a copy of his Social Security application form today.
I did find certain spaces on the form interesting: : It asked for a person’s sex and his race.
As to the space asking for a person’s race, it would be interesting to see which box Hawaiian teenager Obama checked when he filled out his application form way back in the 1970s because of his mixed background, if he even filled out such a form.
Again, President Obama could put a quick end to this Connecticut Social Security number controversy today by doing the following: He could get a copy of his 1970s Social Security application form—as I understand it, anybody can get a copy of his own Social Security application form by contacting Social Security and requesting a copy—and then releasing it to the public, just like he recently got a copy of his long form birth certificate from Hawaii and released it to the world on April 27, 2011.
Why not wait until Obama is dead? What is the rush?
Scientist wrote: “Guys, Mr mirse is onto something. The Constution says that you have to have played Little League to be President. It’s right there in the footnotes to Article II. Sorry, Michelle Bachmann, you are disqualified.”
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Scientist, I think you missed one important footnote: It says that if your father is a British citizen when you are born, then you are not a “natural born citizen.” Check it out. It is just below the Little League footnote.
NOTE: Did you know that George Washington played Little League while growing up in Virginia?
Why should he? After all the only “controvery” is one ginned up based on bad information by nutty Orly Taitz. There’s no reason why the President of the United States should have to satisfy the the obsessive curiousity of a bunch of wacky conspiracy theorists who just want to harrass him. And it would never be enough, because birthers have already shown that they won’t believe any information he releases. All this incessant demand for every piece of paper connected with President’s entire life is just a way of saying “boy, we won’t accept you no matter what you do.”
Ah, mere BS concern trolling.
You mean like releasing the COLB and then the LFBC “put an end” to anything for you delusional birthers?
You are best ignored by the President as nothing he provides will ever satisfy you. You don’t actually care about reality, facts or evidence. You only care to have him removed from office. Your fragile little egos and worldviews simply can’t handle his election and you merely desperately wish to pretend it didn’t happen. Tough cookies.
Why? So you can cook up some new, nonexistent controversy to take its place?
Hahahahaha – Look, Sven, the reason the President Obama didn’t play Little League baseball is that the CIA had already recruited him to get ready to fight global communism. His afterschool hours and free time were spent in training. Which came in handy when he single handedly defeated the the Soviets in Afganistan.
That is why the 2008 Presidential election was so interesting, we had two American Patriot War Heros running against each other.
Maybe there’s also some hope that if Obama keeps releasing stuff after stuff, people (i.e. non-birthers) will start asking “why does he release so much, is there something fishy that needs to be quashed?”.
I mean, *I* would certainly become suspicious if my chancellor suddenly started releasing a bunch of records from her school and college days.
I thought it was lacrosse, which was invented by Native Americans.
The SSA already told Orly her accusations of fraud were baseless, so there is no controversy for Obama to end.
Not believing the SSA would be ridiculous, almost as crazy as not believing the Hawaiian DOH when they say Obama was born in Hawaii and they have his original birth record on file.
Why would that be interesting? What relevance would it have?
Obama may not have even filled out the form himself. Wood’s form was signed by his mother, and it appears that she filled it out as well.
Besides, you’re never going to see Obama’s Social Security records unless you manage to outlive him.
BTW, I played two years of Little League baseball, and guess what? I don’t have a single photograph of myself in uniform. My younger brother never played Little League baseball, even though it is was very popular when he was a kid. I’ll have to ask him why he didn’t have a birth certificate.
Ricky wrote: “BTW, I played two years of Little League baseball, and guess what? I don’t have a single photograph of myself in uniform. My younger brother never played Little League baseball, even though it is was very popular when he was a kid. I’ll have to ask him why he didn’t have a birth certificate.”
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What about team pictures?
In those two years, do you think some of the parents of your teammates might have taken team pictures that you may not remember?
President of the United States: I bet if you were famous like being the President of the United States, some of your Little League teammates would come forward and brag to their local newspapers and tv stations that they once played Little League with “President Ricky”, because It is only human nature for us to brag openly about knowing someone we grew up who becomes famous.
But when it comes to President Obama, not a single person has come forward and bragged to the world that President Obama was his Little League teammate.
In fact, President Obama does not mention Little League days in any of his books or in any of his tv interviews, but he talks about his time on his Hawaii high school basketball championship team, and we see team pictures of Obama with his high school basketball team on the internet.
Little League: Can you imagine the great publicity Little League would receive if President Obama publicly talked about his Little League days and made an appearance at the Little League World Series to show his support?
It would be an exciting time at the Little League World Series as the world watched President Obama walking among all those kids from all over the world.
To be honest, I find it sad that you have no pictures of your Little League days, especially team pictures, so that you can show your family like your children, grandchildren, nieces, and nephews that you led an active life as a kid.
Myself, I guess I was lucky, because my parents and my teammates’ parents took pictures that I look at and warmly relive those good times of many years ago.
That is why I often encourage young parents to take as many pictures of their children as they can.
I tell young parents that children grow up so fast that parents need to capture pictures of their children’s good times as often as possible.
I tell them that they will regret it later if they don’t take the time to take pictures of their children enjoying such childhood activities like Little League, pictures that parents and other family members can enjoy over and over again long after the children have grown up, moved away, and started raising families of their own.
john mirse,
Do you work as some sort of Little League promotional agent? Is it your job to promote Little League around the country? Otherwise, I don’t understand your disappointment with lack of proof that Obama ever played Little League.
If you are merely a concern birther, do you think that playing Little League was the only thing Obama did his entire life that would have required him to present a birth certificate? Can you imagine no other?
I have pictures of all the shiksas I seduced.
Wow! What a shocking discovery!
That means we are going to have to nullify every action taken by every President that has not played Little League.
George Washington doesn’t matter, because everybody knows he was killed and Adam Weishaupt took his place. So I wanna know: did Thomas Jefferson play Little League?
misha wrote: I have pictures of all the shiksas I seduced.
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For those of us who don’t know anything about Jewish words, I give you the following explanation of the word “shiksa” that I found on the internet:
Shiksa (Yiddish: שיקסע, Polish: siksa) or shikse, is a Yiddish and Polish word that has moved into English usage, mostly in North American Jewish culture, as a term for a non-Jewish woman, initially and sometimes still pejorative but now often used satirically. Shiksa usually refers to an attractive (stereotypically blonde) gentile woman or girl who might be a temptation to Jewish men or boys, e.g., for dating, intermarriage, etc. For some Jewish people (especially more religious types), the term may be used pejoratively (e.g. implying loose morals), but among others, it is more often used self-mockingly and satirically, to poke fun at the supposed view among Jews that non-Jewish women are more attractive than Jewish women.”
misha: If you were seducing young girls during your Little League age of 9 to 12 years of age, then I say you were having more fun than any Little League person I know, and so you probably were too busy to find time to play Little League.
Of course, if you ever decide to run for President of the United States, I wouldn’t go around showing those pictures of young girls you seduced when you were Little League age, unless you want to follow the example of former President Bill Clinton who probably,, like you, has pictures of his shiska conquests from an early age.
Misha wrote: ” I have pictures of all the shiksas I seduced.”
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Misha, do you realize that a lot of us would be more than happy to see President Obama follow you example and show us pictures of shiksas he seduced before he got married, because as of right now, we don’t have any pictures of any of President Obama’s girlfriends before he met his wife.
And, as you know, many voters wonder why that is so, that is, why don’t we see any pictures of Obama with any girlfriends while growing up in Hawaii, while attending Occidental College in California, while attending Columbia University in New York, or while attending Harvard Law School?
You have to admit that the lack of pictures of President Obama with shikas causes a lot of people to wonder why President Obama does not have pictures of girlfriends he had before he got married.
Again, I think that many of us wish that President Obama had followed your example and taken pictures of all or some of the shikas he seduced before he got married in order to stop people from wondering about President Obama’s sexual preferences while growing up in Hawaii.
I, or any of my friends, were never in the Little League. We considered it to be for boys too stupid to do well in school.
My wife is a Chinese shiksa.
Here is a shiksa model I had an affair with. Eat your heart out.
Also, I have read some of your comments. You are a schmuck and a putz.
I wish Glenn Beck would answer the rumor swirling around him that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990.
It would stop people from wondering about if this was true, or merely a meme.
He never denied it. All he has to do is release his criminal record abstract stamped “subject has clear record to date,” and this can be over tonight.
Why hasn’t he done this? What’s he hiding?
SHOW US YOUR RECORDS BECK!!!
Misha wrote: “I, or any of my friends, were never in the Little League. We considered it to be for boys too stupid to do well in school.”
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I’m sure that all those boys and girls—you do know that girls are allowed to play Little League—who play Little League or have played Little League appreciate your remark. mirse
misha wrote: I wish Glenn Beck would answer the rumor swirling around him that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990.
It would stop people from wondering about if this was true, or merely a meme.
He never denied it. All he has to do is release his criminal record abstract stamped “subject has clear record to date,” and this can be over tonight.
Why hasn’t he done this? What’s he hiding?
SHOW US YOUR RECORDS BECK!!!
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Is Beck running for President of the United States? If he isn’t, then I really don’t care what he does. I can’t remember the last time I listened to his radio show or watched his tv show when it was on the air.
So let me know if and when Beck decides to run for President of the United States, because then I might take an interest in Beck’s past. Until then, as I said, I don’t really care what Beck did during his life.
Dr. Conspiracy: Did Social Security use punch cards in the 1970s when Hawaiin teenager Obama applied for his Social Security card?
If it did, didn’t the keypunch machine have a so-called “verifier” to double-check and verify that the correct number was punched in the punch card? mirse
Thank you. I try.
You don’t care that a criminal escaped justice? How typical.
Mr. Mirse: We apparently can’t persuade you that it is none of your business whether the President has a genuine social security number or not. And even if we did, you’d move the goalposts again and demand something new, like pictures of the President with prior girlfriends.
Your theories have been shared multiple times with the House of Representatives, especially in mass mailings by Ms. Dr. Taitz. Out of 435 representatives, your theories have not attracted even one representative to agree publicly or call for an investigation or impeachment. That’s a pretty sorry record among a group of folks in which a significant number think dinosaurs roamed the earth less than 6000 years ago at the same time as humans.
*yawn* More weak concern trolling.
By “many” you merely mean a few obsessively disturbed malcontents, such as yourself. Folks who really don’t care about the president and his past at all, but use such inquiries as nothing but a cover for trying to find ways to smear or cast aspersions on someone they can’t stand.
All this does is reflect poorly on you and how sadly wrapped up in bitterness you are over something you have no control over and of which has no significance in the bigger picture of things.
Before the internet, people like you were found in parks and streetcorners, wild eyed and ranting with poorly spelled cardboard signs.
And just like George W. Bush, President Barack Obama cherishes two beautiful, smart and graceful daughters and a gorgeous, intelligent, caring wife with whom he is devoted, loving and faithful.
Did you notice that too?
What i think is weird is that there are no photos of any other President on a boogie board in the surf.
Obama may well have never played Little League baseball. I just looked at a photograph of my eighth grade class. There were 21 boys in the class. 11 of the 21 never played Little League baseball (girls weren’t allowed to play Little League in those days). Does that fact throw their citizenship into question? Should we doubt their patriotism because they didn’t participate in the American pastime?
Your obsession with Little League strikes me as bizarre and perhaps unhealthy. And your speculation about Obama’s girlfriends is proof positive that you are a hateful, bigoted person.
Of course, George W. Bush went to an all-male prep school where he became head cheerleader and dressed up as a woman. What do we make of that?
http://www.stewwebb.com/george_bush_male_chearleader_in_drag.jpg
Georgetown JD wrote: What i think is weird is that there are no photos of any other President on a boogie board in the surf.
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What I think is weird is that there are no photos of baby or little Obama with his “father” Barack senior.
The first picture we see with both Obama’s in the same picture is the one
at the airport when Obama junior looks like he is about 10 years old.
What I think is weird is that there are no photos of Obama with a “girlfriend” while in high school or in undergraduate college.
Prom: It looks like Obama did not attend his high school prom, because we don’t see any pictures of his prom on the internet.
What I think is weird is that Obama senior and Obama junior’s mother lived at different residences from the time Obama’s parents were married right through
Obama junior’s “birth” on Aug. 4, 1961.
How do we know that they lived at different places?
We know because in recently released immigration documents, Obama senior is quoted as telling an immigration official that his wife was living with her parents while he lived at another address. A strange “marriage” indeed.
The data entry equipment SSA used was put in place in 1971 and operated until 1993, when it was replaced by terminal entry and OCR. Prior to 1993, data entry was performed at Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, Albuquerque, New Mexico and Salinas, California.
Whether key punch or terminal entry was used, key verification can be done. You might find out whether it was by searching online, or you could file a FOIA. Even if key verification was done, it might not have been done for everything keyed, and the address itself might not have been keyed. Given that the SSDI doesn’t contain the application address, one might speculate that it wasn’t keyed, of if keyed not stored. If it wasn’t stored, there is less reason for them to key verify it.
See:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/ssa2000chapter5.html
If you think this weird, you don’t know much about real life.
Rickey wrote: “Of course, George W. Bush went to an all-male prep school where he became head cheerleader and dressed up as a woman. What do we make of that?”
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I guess if some voters did not like the idea of Bush being a cheerleader and dressing up as a woman, they probably didn’t vote for him.
And if some voters become angry with President Obama because he won’t explain why he has a Connecticut Social Security number, why he won’t let reporters look at his original birth certificate in Hawaii’s archives, why he won’t allow reporters to examine his birth records at Kapiolani Hospital, and why he won’t explain why he ordered a long form birth certificate in April 2011 if he already had one, I guess they won’t vote for President Obama come election day Nov. 2012 either.
Just wondering: You seem to think that I voted for Bush both times he ran for President. What makes you think that? I consider myself an independent. In local and state elections I sometimes vote Democratic, I sometimes vote Republican, and I sometimes vote for non-Democratic and non-Republican candidates. It all depends on what I think of the person who is running for a particular office.
In the 1960’s it was not strange at all to have “marriages of convenience.” Someone gets pregnant, the couple gets married for appearances sake but it isn’t a “real” marriage.
I read an article just yesterday that included a segment about a girl who attended the prom with Obama (not as his date) but she sat at the same table with him. She couldn’t remember who his date was.
http://www.diablomag.com/D-blog/Best-Of-Editor-Picks/January-2009/Moraga-resident-recalls-President-Barack-Obama-as-a-high-school-classmate/
It was also not the least bit unusual in the 1960s for men forced into marriages of convenience to not spend much time with their “unwanted” children.
I’m just guessing but I think Barack Obama Senior married because he wanted to stay in the US but later on, he changed his mind and decided to return to Kenya.
I did not realize Connecticut had their own Social Security department that issues numbers. I don’t know if the President has one of those, but he does have one that happens to have a formally CT geographic code, which the SSA specifically states not to but much merit.
How dare he not let reporters (Orly is not a reporter, and, my opinion, neither is WND), look at his records. All the other Presidents allowed it.. oh wait.
What are you talking about. He ordered new certified copy of the original certificate, since the birthers said, it would all end if he did that. Obviously, the birthers were lying.
Well, the same ones with questions would not vote for him anyway (and likely did not before). The only significance the birthers will have on the election is whether the loud enough to allow the the Obama team use them for there benefit in the next election.
Dr. Conspiracy wrote: If you think this weird, you don’t know much about real life.
john mirse: What I think is weird is that Obama senior and Obama junior’s mother lived at different residences from the time Obama’s parents were married right through
Obama junior’s “birth” on Aug. 4, 1961.
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If you think it is normal when newlyweds , especially struggling college students, live apart from the very beginning of their marriage—one still living at his bachelor pad and his 4 or 5 month pregnant wife still living with her parents in the same city—then I guess you are right, because what you see as normal behavior seems like weird behavior to me.
(Man, your response was very quick. It seems that your response appeared a few minutes after I posted my original message.)
Why would Obama know why he was issued a Connecticut SSN?
Obama doesn’t have custody of his original birth certificate. It isn’t up to him to decide who gets to see it. He has no authority to allow anyone to examine the original. Under Hawaii law he can authorize someone else to obtain a copy of his short form birth certificate, but that’s it.
No reporter has ever examined any American President’s birth records. There has never been any interest in a President’s birth records until a black President was elected.
How do you know that Obama “already had” his long form birth certificate? That is a spurious birther claim which arises from the fact that Obama wrote about seeing his birth certificate when he was in high school. Only In the birther world is that proof that means that he must still have it three decades later.
As for your voting record, please identify the last Democrat you voted for and I might believe you.
Northland10 wrote: john mirse: And if some voters become angry with President Obama because he won’t explain why he has a Connecticut Social Security number,
I did not realize Connecticut had their own Social Security department that issues numbers. I don’t know if the President has one of those, but he does have one that happens to have a formally CT geographic code, which the SSA specifically states not to but much merit.
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You are too funny. You know what I meant when I used the phrase Connecticut Social Security number: A Social Security number where the first 3 digits refer to a geographical area that is the state of Connecticut.
So for future reference and to save me time when I type messages, whenever you see me write “Connecticut Social Security number, I am referring to ” A United States Social Security number where the first 3 digits refer to the state of Connecticut.”
(Man, you must be a fast thinker and typist, because it seems that it was only a few minutes after I posted my message that you responded. I wish that I could think and type that fast.)
Rickey wrote: “No reporter has ever examined any American President’s birth records. There has never been any interest in a President’s birth records until a black President was elected.”
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Rickey, I think you crossed the line with your statement above. I don’t think you should go there. mirse
It’s kind of sad and rather pathetic to see folks like John Mirse reduce themselves to the level of Star magazine rumor, innuendo and gossip.
The US Constitution does not care where one’s parents lived before a future president was born. The US Constitution does not care who a future president’s prom date was. The Constitution does not care about whether there are pictures of a president’s father with the future president before the age of 10. Can you get more trite and trivial? I don’t think so.
Speaker of the House Congressman John Boehner put it succinctly: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”
And the state of Hawaii said: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”
I think those two statements (along with the more than 100 lawsuits, none of which have ruled Obama to be ineligible) sum the issue up rather nicely for any rational person. But of course not for true disbeliever birthers.
As has been pointed out many times here, President Eisenhower had a Social Security number associated with California but he was from Denison, Texas.
If President Obama had more than one GENUINE Social Security number associated with his name, he would not be able to file federal income tax returns and all of his returns from 2000 through 2010 are available for anyone to see online.
The IRS rejects any return not associated with a valid Social Security number. Ask any American who has been the victim of identity theft.
Forget typing. You need a whole lot more work on the thinking part.
Joey wrote about this quote from an Obama high school classsmate: “A few years ago, I heard Oprah mention Barack Obama and I thought, That’s funny, I went to high school with Barry Obama.’ ” Price says with a laugh. “If I had been asked, 25 years ago, who from our class would be President, he wouldn’t have even made a short list. He wasn’t in the student council; he wasn’t a public speaker.”
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So it looks like “Barry” Obama attended his prom after all .
It also looks like he was known as “Barry” Obama in high school. Does anyone know when he started using “Barack” instead of “Barry”? mirse
He changed from being known as “Barry” to “Barack” at age 18 when he first enrolled at Occidental College.
A lot of people switch from childhood nicknames to formal names when they go to college as young adults.
Rickey wrote: “As for your voting record, please identify the last Democrat you voted for and I might believe you.”
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I, and many of my friends and relatives, voted for Gore for President, and I believe that Gore would have won Florida and the election if he had not been screwed by the Supreme Court decision that gave Florida to Bush.
Would I have automatically voted for Gore a second time? I don’t know. I would have wanted to see what he did during his first term.
Does that answer your question?
Why would anyone believe you? How do we know you aren’t lying?
Based on your posts here so far, how credible do you think you are?
(warning: rhetorical questions)
Did he play Little League Baseball?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmcp-LyH10CRuYQNkhoEYPCPnEHMqaK-isIoWkwWx2Oaw__Mnp
John Mirse is a very active poster on the “Natural Born Citizen” forums at freerepublic.com, which means he identifies himself as a “conservative activist.”
Unlike freerepublic.com where those with dissenting opinions are often banned, he is welcome by Doc C to post here as long as he remains civil.
However in my experience, birthers tend to have a very difficult time remaining civil for very long. It must be genetic.
His father was barely in his life. *duh*. That isn’t weird in America either. Your sad obsession with his personal photos that you aren’t privy too is bordering on derangement. You waste an awful lot of time wanting to see and know more about someone that you obviously can’t stand. That is the behavior typical of mentally ill stalkers.
If I don’t care for someone, I’m simply not going to pay much attention to them and sure as heck wouldn’t waste my time pining for glimpses of their childhood photos and could care less about what they did in grade school or high school. You must lead a really sad and empty life.
As you have proven over and over again that you are the very definition of “weird”, what you happen to think of as weird is of no consequence.
Wow. Just shows how deranged your thought patters are. Anybody who would make their voting decision for President based on whether someone was a cheerleeder in high school or not is a moron. Plain and simple. If your reasons for voting are that silly & petty than you might have the Constitutional right to vote, but probably shouldn’t.
From John Mirse: “why he won’t let reporters look at his original birth certificate in Hawaii’s archives, why he won’t allow reporters to examine his birth records at Kapiolani Hospital,”
There are no 50 year old birth records at Kapi’olani Hospital. Hospitals maintain records on routine medical procedures for seven years. When the attending physician, Dr. David A Sinclair sent the information for the Certificate of Live Birth to the state on August 8, 1961, that became the official record.
It is not Obama’s call as to who looks at the original birth record. Under Hawaii law, anyone with a court order can gain access. Orly Taitz is trying to do just that before Magistrate Judge Puglisi on September 14th.
Now are you going to tell us that you base all your voting choices on what these candidates did in their free time during elementary & high school?
Yet he tries to claim that he voted for Gore and expects us to buy that. Because we all know how Gore had the “conservative activist” demographic behind him, right? *rolls eyes*
Rickey didn’t cross the line at all. Everything he said is factually correct. If you are being over sensitive to a simple truth…then that says more about what you are internally sensitive about than anything else…
And you know darn well what we mean when we continuously remind you that the prefix of his SSN doesn’t really mean anything at all.
Go on, I’m still waiting for your brilliant speculation on what the whole purpose and motive of a CT SSN would be and how in any way that would make a difference or be of value to him…
Come on John, you make silly speculation about everything else – what’s your story for why he’d deliberately be part of some plot ot get a CT SSN as a kid and how in any way that would benefit him?…
Really? You question the President’s sexual orientation, and you accuse me of crossing the line?
Has anyone ever asked to see George W. Bush’s birth records? Ronald Reagan’s birth records? You right-wingers never ever asked to see Bill Clinton’s birth records. Oh yeah, all three of them are/were white.
I seem to remember reading a DDE biography in elementary school that said his family were indigo farmers in Georgia or South Carolina or somewhere like that.
Now I’ll have to go look it up. Darn you for trying to edumakate folks!