I must admit: this one was a shock.
Ball, LA
WorldNetDaily, a front organization for a few right-wing millionaires trying to build mind share through manipulation of the news, has launched what it calls its “truth and transparency” campaign. “Lies and smears” is what it really is, as WorldNetDaily has been associated time and time again with publishing outright lies (such as the infamous “travel ban” to Pakistan).
The sign disturbs me because it is promoting class warfare–not class warfare between the rich and poor, not class warfare between liberals and conservatives, but class warfare between people with common sense and the stupid.
Some commenters have suggested that the billboard image is fake. It is real. I called the Ball city Police Department and the dispatcher remembered seeing the sign. The sign is one of the new electronic signs, which I suppose accounts for its odd appearance. The following one is definitely fake, because I made it myself:
I would not take World Net Daily seriously. They have been exposed as liars on numerous occasions. Go to ConWebWatch.com and you will see how they use innuendo and made up facts to promote their agenda, which is hatred of Obama. As a matter of fact they back in August of 2008 had certified that the copy of Obama’s BC was real and did show that he was born in the US. They then did a 180 and now claim that it is not to pull in the current sheep that believe that it is not. Joesph Farrah despises Obama and all of his writers will make up stories to discredit him. They even still support the discredited claims of the convicted criminal Larry Sinclair. Also WND wanted all of their readers to “donate” to the cause. It is interesting how all of these anti-Obama and birhter sites always want you to give them money or donations. That should be the first hint that their is some sort of other agenda. However the people that read this sites and believe that crap are easy prey.
Why doesn’t Obama have an aide of an Adviser order several copies of his BC and send it to the NYT, WaPo, Fox News and WND?
That would end the controversy over NBC.
It wouldn’t. And the copies of his COLB are still freely available.
So why would he? As there is no real controversy, other than a manufactroversy created by some who oppose the President for various reasons.
Why should he give in? Until a legitimate government agency requests the document, he should not provide it. And the US State department has already decided that President Obama is a US citizen by issuing him a US passport. And as for World Net Daily, that rag behind the billboards, here is a quote from an article written by their writer Drew Zahn on August 23, 2008…
“A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”
I think that pretty much sums it up…It is curious that a so call news website would write that and then less than a year later claim “Where’s that Birth Certificate” Besides even if he did allow people like Orly, Fox, and WMD to look at his actual COLB, how many of you want to bet that they would then claim that it was forged using a 1960’s printing press from Canada….It is a no win situation for him because the disbelievers don’t want to believe him.
Remember, while WND and others are wasting resources and expenses on this non-issue, they are not working on opposing immediate policy decisions by the new Administration.
Let’s move forward on the environment, healthcare and the economy. So far things are going quite according to plan. Was it not just the other day that our President brought together the various relevant players to agree on new emission standards and efficiency standards for automobiles?
I was just about to post the link to this WND statement.
Glad you mentioned cars. Norquist is now calling Obama a fascist for imposing the new standards: “Fascism allows individuals to own the means of production but the government will tell them what to produce.”
Here’s the link:
http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/grover_norquist.html
Sven, it’ll NEVER happen. He knows what he is hiding. It is up to us to make it public.
Yes, doc. You are correct. It is warfare and it has only just begun.
Even to it is not hidden? After all, all the known facts indicate that President Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii.
Perhaps, it’s up to you to accept this?
Through surrender? Wow… The goal posts keep on moving… Any time soon now, we will hear about the ‘smoking gun’, the lawsuit that will end all lawsuits. In the mean time we have all the evidence that strongly suggests that President Obama was born on US soil.
Not much of a fight really.
Cool, with support from Norquist, we now know that Obama is doing the right thing. Great things lie ahead for our Country. I am proud to be a citizen of this ‘great Country’.
Does anyone remember Monty Python’s black knight
Arthur shrugs his shoulders and, with a mighty swing, removes the Black Knight's last limb. The Knight falls to the ground. He looks about, realizing he can't move.
Black Knight: Okay, we'll call it a draw.
Arthur: Come, Pasty! (they "ride" away)
Black Knight: (calling after them) Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take what's coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!
It would make no difference whatsoever. At least two of these have already come out and declared the currently available COLB authentic… Fox News and WND. What did that change?
There is no more genuine a controversy over NBC than there is over the perpetrators of 9/11, biologic evolution or the sphericity of the earth.
In 1992, Barack and Michelle Obama attended a Rose Garden Ceremony at the White House with President Bill Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. The Obama’s were participating in a celebration of the success of community organization successes throughout the country.
A hard drive with a terabyte of data (millions of books worth) missing from the National Archives. A backup copy is still under control of the National Archives.
Certainly, a background investigation was conducted on the Obamas in 1992. I think Obama would want to get out in front of his “truth” in 2009 before the 1992 truth sees the light of day.
I really butchered my last comment. As Lisa Lubner would say, “Nevermind.”
1993: Public Allies Chicago with 30 Allies is launched by founding Executive Director Michelle Obama. President Clinton names Public Allies a model for national service. First Lady Hilary Clinton hosts Rose Garden reception for Public Allies at the White House.
Barack escorted his wife to the Rose Garden Ceremony. So I’m sure his background, as well as Michelle’s background, was investigated and archived.
My favorite is when they trot up to a castle:
“We have ridden across all England, in search of the Holy Grail.”
“You ain’t ridin’. Those are coconuts.”
“Oh, never mind.”
Actually, you will hear less and less in the coming months. Now the REAL work begins. Justice will be swift and complete.
Conspiracies everywhere. But as usual, low on any facts.
Typical
The idea that top secret Obama info might be on the loose makes birthers all tingly doesn’t it? I can already tell this one’s going to become birther lore: a missing Clinton-era hard drive contains the Holy Grail of Obama ineligibility.
By the way, Background checks, (actually it’s a posssible criminal check), ID, etc. to enter the White House is a post-9/11 phenomena.
Justice has already been swift and complete. What more do you expect?
How did the coconuts reach the Island though? European or African swallow? I don’t know. Arghhhhhhhhhh
I heard something amazing this morning. William (Bill) Gates was recognized by Mr. Obama as Secretary of Defense, while reading his teleprompter. No wonder Bill quit Microsoft, he had to run the nations…oops, wait a moment.. Teleprompter Typo. That was supposed to say Robert Gates. SORRY about that Mr. “O”, we’ll get it right next time. ONE for the Tele. Change you can Laugh At.
I just had an epiphany – COLB = Change Only Liars Believe. Hmmm. DON’T take it personally, its a joke, I’m not calling anyone a liar here. It just hit me and I had to share that.
Lacking content, truth is hiding behind trivialities.
How sad to see truth become a victim here.
Sven’s comments are strainght from Orly’s birther talking points….They are so desparate for some sort of “smoking gun” that they would think that this had something to do with Obama…According to their thinking Obama wanted the World Trade Center destroyed (9/11) because it contained his real birth certificate and he wanted to hide it from the American people because 7 years later he would be President….These people are delusional…
Now why would Obama’s birth certificate be in the World Trade Center? Wait, didn’t Heavy tell us the Birth Certificate didn’t matter because both parents must be citizens? Gah, I wish the birthers would make up their minds! I thought the blind cleric was going to give Corsi the BC but then Ed Hale found it at the port of entry. How could that be if it was destroyed in 9/11? Did Steve Pidgeon and Ed Hale rip us off?
The very funny part is- I bet most people- even those in Ball, LA read that and go ‘huh’? ‘wonder what that means’?
Nobody outside of the conspiracists and those of us finding amusement in them knows or cares about this so called conspiracy. I have never actually talked with anyone who has heard of this.
So avid readers of WND, all 120 of them, will understand and take comfort in the billboard. Everyone else will be as confused by the question as much as they don’t know or care who WND is.
Oh just a moment’s reflection on WND. I look at it occasionally just to see what the article of the day is on each of their subjects- you know: Obama, abortion, christianity under attack and how Israel is being sold out- all mixed in between and interchangeable with offers to sell books that will cure anything and tell you the ‘real’ truth about this or that.
No kimba, hon. I never said that. Wrong “Birther”. But what do you care about accuracy and truth?
here’s an important link for heavy:
Finding a Mental Health Specialist
http://www.psycheducation.org/FAQ/find.htm
A statement and a question:
IF, against all current evidence, at some point in time there is solid proof, that is validated through the court system that Barrack Obama does not, and did not meet the “natural born citizen” requirements of the Constitution, I would in that case support his impeachment. That is because I truely do support the Constitution.
My question to Heavy, Sven and TRUTH- is there any point where the total lack of evidence and validation in the justice system where you could possibly believe that President Obama was and is legally qualified to be President? If the mysterious holy grail of the BC is pulled out and authenticated by the Pope and Rush Limbaugh will you stop and go “guess he really is qualified and my calling him an Ursurper was wrong”? I am really curious, because reading Heavy’s bizarre paranoid posts, and Sven’s mangled evidence trails…I just can’t imagine you letting go of this regardless of any evidence.
Its Trivial your President is such an Idiot he READs from a Teleprompter and Calls our SECDEF William Gates? OK, thats YOUR opinion. Was it me or did he seem a bit Miffed today because everyone was against bringing Terrorist Prisoners into the U.S.? SURE BarOck, just allocate $80million with NO plan, hell you did $700billion in stimulus with no plan, why not this?
Oh the irony of it all. It’s killing me
the June issue of Scientific American just named the 10 most influential people in science, Obama was among those 10, not bad for a telepromping usurper!
Anyone makes mistakes. It’s the larger policy matters and his abilities to bring together the interest groups which makes him such a successful President.
But I understand, we have not been exposed to much of a leadership in the last decades, so I understand why you are somewhat reluctant.
Fine with me, while you focus on trivialities, Obama is focusing on the large picture, inspite of a few detractors who’d rather return to the ‘old days’ of torture and ever reducing constitutional rights.
That is EXACTLY Right. You can’t imagine it, because it’s your opinion, not a Factual thing, as you all keep insisting is NEEDED, Opinions aren’t sufficient…Unless your Democrat I guess.
And had your read LONG ago, you’d known I long ago stated I believe he Probably Is(as far as a B.C.) Qualified. ALL I ever said was if the damn thing exists, like they SAY it does, show it and stop all this Senseless Bickering. BUT NO!, for SOME odd reason they prefer to leave concerned citizens in the dark. NBC and everyone like him can only say “it won’t make a difference”, again…their Opinions…worth squat. Show me a FACT NBC, Keep your opinion AND the Change, I don’t need it.
“Lack of evidence”???
Hardly – you merely do not wish to accept any of the evidence that is available and there will be more made available when the first court of law decides to hear one of the 40 or so cases upon the merits rather than dodging.
Even the O-borters own website admits he was a Brit at birth. Sorry fanboys, that’s not the same thing as a natural born citizen.
Reluctant to what NBC? I’m not sure if your naive or just arrogant.
Lack of Leadership? HA!! One minute you all cry “He has only been in office a few months, you have to give him more time to prove himself”…which is same as saying he’s done nothing so far. Then the next minute you want to say “hes a Leader with abilities that make him a successful President”. NBC, is that No Bloody Clue?
I show you the facts, it’s just that your beliefs cause you to insist that Obama somehow goes out of his way to provide additional evidence where the available evidence is sufficient.
Simple really. And the facts include that noone has managed to show standing in obtaining the documents that they believe would somehow contradict the facts.
You certainly have the right to complain, however Obama has the right to ignore you.
He was a british citizen and a US natural born citizen at birth. What’s so hard to understand here, that children born to foreign nationals may have dual nationalities during their childhood?
It happens and it does nothing to undermine the fact that anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen.
Nice of you putting words in my mouth but I notice little facts and much sputtering.
As to your question, I am probably naive and arrogant at the same time for believing that those poorly informed about the facts can change their ways.
JTX- let us seperate the issues so I can respond distinctly
Natural Born Citizen
Claim #1: Obama was not born in U.S.- please note any actual evidence- evidence that would be allowable in court- that shows he was not born in the U.S.. There are two solid pieces of evidence that show he was born in the U.S.
Claim #2: Obama is ineligible because he had dual citizenship at birth. The problem with this claim is that no credible authority agrees with the Birthers that this is a disqualifier. The host of this website has detailed this several times using actual historical references. This is a matter of your opinion, not a matter of established law. But if you want to provide evidence that this is established law, feel free- I am willing to look at any credible source.
“when the first court of law decides to hear one of the 40 or so cases upon the merits rather than dodging.”
Are you really arguing that Courts should ignore the law in order to enforce the law? These cases are being dismissed because they do not have a legal basis. I know it is frustrating that no courts will listen to you, just as it is frustrating for the courts to have these frivolous(as in without merit, besides having no standing) cases filed over and over. Multiple filings doesn’t make an accusation stronger, it just means Orly is finding more fellow travellers.
Truth-
“ALL I ever said was if the damn thing exists, like they SAY it does, show it and stop all this Senseless Bickering. BUT NO!”
So Truth- are you saying that if he did produce a birth certificate vetted by the Pope, Rush Limbaugh and Kenneth Star you would be satisfied- thats the only concern you have regarding his potential qualification? My exagerations excused- who should he be presenting this BC to? Who is qualified to confirm it?
“for SOME odd reason they prefer to leave concerned citizens in the dark”
Are you implying that all elected officials must respond to the demands of any concerned citizen? Are there any limits? If one citizen demands DNA evidence to show that the President is indeed human, should that citizen be responded to?
WingNutDaily previously said the Birth Certificate was genuine.
Now… they peddle the lies.
That’s credible.
Its Trivial your President is such an Idiot “he READs from a Teleprompter and Calls our SECDEF William Gates?”
It is trivial- but then again I often laughed at Bush’s repeated verbal gaffes so its all fair game. I know that I am appreciating having an articulate President after 8 years of a Harvard grad who spoke like he hadn’t graduated 8th grade just to ingratiate himself with the undereducated.
“OK, thats YOUR opinion. Was it me or did he seem a bit Miffed today because everyone was against bringing Terrorist Prisoners into the U.S.?”
I thought he was trying to sell his program. He said during his campaign that he would close down the base(and McCain did so too) and he was voted in on that platform, so yes I think he is rather miffed that everyone is suddenly acting shocked”
“SURE BarOck, just allocate $80million with NO plan, hell you did $700billion in stimulus with no plan, why not this?”
I do hope you felt the same way when the Bush administration went to war and basically told Congress “trust me”. Don’t misunderstand- I think President Obama should present Congress with a plan, and I think Congress should be involved. However, after 8 years of an administration that balked at any attempt by Congress to question any of its assumed perogatives, I find it rather hypocritical of the Republicans to assume some high moral ground now.
Now they really have gone back in time. Perhaps some folks my age might remember the Impeach Earl Warren billboards that were common in a certain part of this country after Brown vs. The Board of Education.
I like (not) the way Farah thinks his is a “news agency”. LOL!
I just wish I would have thought of milking the ignorant like that!
JSF, unlike NBC I dont need you to repeat everything I say to remember what I said. But LIKE NBC, you need to read better. I said, (as far as the B.C.). I will never think Barrack Obama is qualified to be the Commander in Chief. He is poor at best to fill the position. AND also a reading error on your part, I believe the man is Probably Qualified, More than likely born in HI. I SAID, just show it and move on, which will NEVER happen if its up to democrats.
Now if your going to continue to build on your questions in an attempt to make some lame point, asking one question after another, just give it a rest. I made myself clear, if you can’t understand it I don’t know what else to say to you. You guys luv it to death saying words like “birthers” and “usurpers”. I’m reallly not that into this horsecrap. I’m a black and white kind of person. It’s not like 15 people are asking to see the article, so save your sarcasm. And Limbaugh has more knowledge and heart than Obama will ever have. You and Yours just hate him because he calls Obama to the carpet Every single Day. It just pisses you off to no end to hear your boy called out. If you want to real quality entertainment, tune into Mark Levins radio show. Then read his book, if you dare, if you can read.
“No kimba, hon. I never said that. Wrong “Birther”. But what do you care about accuracy and truth?”
Rather more than you do it seems.
You know, it amazes me how some people who claim to be such uberpatriots love to act tough and talk treason simply because they lost an election.
Of course, the fact that they’re no credible evidence to support their wild-eyed claims doesn’t help their behaviour much either. Instead they whine and pout and stamp their feel and call people names that better describe their words and behaviour (can we say “projection much”).
I suspect strongly you’re simply another internet tough guy, a member of the 101st Fighting Keyboards. All talk, no action.
Now I get it, a troll…
Yup. Well done, the use of the name TRUTH should have given it away. I feel a bit foolish for not having considered this option earlier.
Is it my imagination, or does that look like a poor photoshop job?
i took a short tour through some of those goal posts on monday:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/18/732069/-certifigate:-all-we-need
… good times.
I was thinking the same thing, looks like one of those automatic sign generators like this one. There are others in which you can use a photo of your own.
Indeed, it looks like something produced by one of those automatic sign generators software!
That’s exactly what it is.
There is an unusual jagged and colored edge at the lower left of the “sign.” This could, I suppose, be the fault of a camera, but it also looks much more to me like an image that has been altered with PhotoShop.
There is no current news from Ball, LA, about such a billboard. That may be because the news media are slow there or are ignoring it, or it may be because there is nothing there.
The exact site in Ball ought to be easily identified. Does anyone on this forum live near the Ball area who could check it out?
Remember this item from FR?
“Our friends at The Patriot Depot just received a call from Rosemarie in Ball, Louisiana alerting Patriot Depot that her brother-in-law was stopped by small town Louisiana police and detained by the roadside for half an hour. A background check was conducted to determine whether he was a member of an “extremist” group. Why? Her brother-in-law (name not disclosed for privacy) had purchased and displayed a conservative “Don’t Tread on Me” bumper sticker on his car.”
No, it wouldn’t end anything.
Actually WND has a huge readership. They are in the top 3,000 web sites on the Internet (see alexa.com).
It’s better than what Jimmy Carter called Hubert Humphrey.
And jtx demonstrates the futility of producing a birth certificate in addition to the birth certificate already produced.
jtx, like others from his tribe have this fantasy that US Presidents must have citizen parents and as jtx correctly points out Obama doesn’t have two citizen parents.
If you take as fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. It still does not make him a “natural born citizen” since his father was not a citizen of the United States and owed his alegence to The United Kingdon.
The US Constitution requires both parents be US citizens to be able to bestow natual born status on their child.
That said, even if the child is born out of wedlock, it still requires both parents must be US citizens.
No it does not.
It’s not something I take as a fact, it is what the facts show. As to not making him an NBC, you are wrong again. I notice once again that you are making assertions which could have been resolved with some minimal independent research.
too bad you chose to air your ignorance.
Oh and just in case you want to support your case, tell us where the Constitution requires the two parents to be US citizens…
Good luck
Oh and
As quoted in US v Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649
I have a book on my shelf: Ronald Reagan’s Reign of Error.
I prefer Al Franken’s book: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.
The first time I saw it, I did wonder if it was real. No matter how much I think WND is unreliable, I’m willing to trust them on this one, especially because it is so plausible.
Or not.
WND is just sloppy enough in their fact checking to have swallowed a fake photo like this, although I doubt that they fabricated it themselves.
OMG! You still with this stupid idea of the NBC. Obama was born in Hawaii (jus soli) his mom is American(jus sanguini) The Constitution does not define the term NBC.
Tell me then how Chester Arthur was president? his father was Irish! Another one:
Perkins v Elg Case(1939) and the last one:
Anchor babies are considered NBC!
I’m no image expert. At higher magnification, the “defect” at lower left looks like part of a safety rail. If anything, that bit rather adds to the credibility of the image. The program tag on the image says: “MediaOne 2.10” rather than Photoshop. The image looks dodgy, no question.
This is amusing to watch. The birthers keep adding conditions to deny Obama is a NBC. This is the latest. No matter what, the Birthers will never accept Obama, and they will keep trying to hound him out of office.
Jim Buzzell – ‘The US Constitution requires both parents be US citizens to be able to bestow natual born status on their child.’
” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), regarding children of non-citizen Chinese immigrants born in United States. The court ruled that the children were U.S. citizens.”
And
“The Civil Rights Act of 1866 had already granted U.S. citizenship to all people born in the United States; the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment added this principle into the Constitution”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
This will be going on for the next 100 years. They’re already starting on Jindal.
Jim, where did you come by such a fantastic concoction?
I saw this on Team Sarah a few days ago. Those twits were sending donations to help get the sign done.
Were does it say that in the Constitution? We’ll give you a week to research it.
Common rule in dealing with the delusional is not to feed the delusion. Obama is done with this as is the majority of Americans. No time to feed the Trolls.
Heavy is having a revolution in his neurons.
No one is bickering, the country and Obama has moved on. You poor self deluded individuals are left to your own devices. Game, set and match.
What’s any of that got to do with anything?
I honestly don’t think Obama gives any of this a moments thought.
I think Obama feels he has addressed this and has moved on. He can’t worry about the delicate sensibilities of the bitter and delusional.
Jim, no, it doesn’t. Do a little research into the birth of one of our Presidents, Chester A. Arthur. Check the birth status of his parents before you start believing everything that you hear on a right-wing website. He was President over 100 years ago, his father was known to be at the time a citizen of Ireland and not the United States, and that doesn’t seem to be a problem for anybody electing him.
There has never been that requirement in the constitution that someone has to be born to two citizens to be considered “Natural-Born”. It’s basically a lawyer making up the law as he’s going on, and citing it as fact.
Nah. It was 2 swallows working together to bring the coconut to England!
And it’s:
“What’s the average velocity of the unladen swallow?”
“African or European?”
“I don’t know that. Arghhhhhhhhh!”
Um, that wasn’t Obama. That was some commander in Iraq introducing the Secretary of Defense to the troops.
It was on 60 minutes last week.
1. Barack Obama didn’t actually, as far as I know, call Bob Gates, Bill Gates. That was a military commander in Iraq, as shown on 60 minutes. It’s a little too convienent that the 60 minutes interview comes out (with that quote on it), and now all the Conservatives are claiming Barack Obama did it.
2. Actually provide some evidence if you want us to take you seriously. No more shifting the burden of proof. Actually prove yourself correct.
I believe it is all over the news. Did you check?
Simple research
I remember the invective leveled at Warren after Brown.
I benefited from the 1964 Civil Rights Act. These wingers never give up.
Gordon is correct…Most of the country has accepted that Obama is President. It is the ignorant few like Limbaugh (a man that could not even finish college and was/is additcted to painkillers) that they follow blindly. To say that this man has “more knowledge and heart than Obama” shows the delusional nature of Truth. Limbaugh wants “Obama to fail”, so he wants the US to be attacked and for our economy to tank even further. That sure is the actions of a true “patriot”. These “dittoheads” don’t realize that they are being exploited by a man that gets paid over $40,000,000 a year to spew hatred. Amazing.
Truth…If I recall the 700 billion stimulus was under your hero Bush’s watch…I love how all of the Obama haters call that out but fail to realize that the TARP was a Republican and Bush spending plan…And as for Obama reading from a Teleprompter…Again a Limbaugh/Hannity talking point. These guys pick on trivial issues to get on Obama because they can’t find any real issues….I would rather a teleprompter than the butchered speeches of GW Bush…
Of course it’s a poor PS job. There’s no ambient lighting on the sign at all. It doesn’t even appear to follow the perspective of the “real” billboard.
I’m sure WND will be placing thousands of these imaginary signs across the nation. Which will rouse an angered public to demand, “What the hell is that sign about?”
It just sounded a little too convinent.
About a week ago, 60 minutes published an interview with Bob Gates. You can see it here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/14/60minutes/main5014588.shtml
One of the lines was: “We flew with him to three U.S. bases in southern Afghanistan. Our access was unprecedented. He usually avoids the spotlight, and he’s so low-key that ‘Bob Gates’ is hardly a household name. At Camp Leatherneck, he was even misintroduced to the troops as ‘Bill Gates.'”
TRUTH – Repeating a misconception does not make it real.
President Obama did not introduce Secretary Gates as “Bill Gates”. That was done in Afghanistan. Read the story.
If you are so interested in the truth, as your name suggests, I am sure you would like to know when you have incorrect information.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/14/60minutes/main5014588.shtml
“The US Constitution requires both parents be US citizens to be able to bestow natual born status on their child.”
Oh really? Exactly what part of the US Constitution says that? Because I’ve looked over it from end to end and I can’t find anything in the US Constitution that says “A Natural-Born citizen is the offspring of US Citizen parents”.
Do we know anyone near Ball, LA who can go look? It would be at the intersection of LA 623 and US 165 south of Ball. Population 3700.
The whole thing is fishy. The story says the billboard is electronic, then it goes on to describe that it costs $2000 to print each vinyl sign. The pic above is definitely not an electronic sign.
The whole thing is pretty silly, but I’d love to know if it’s a real sign or a photoshop job.
My apologies Truth. Seems I was incorrect. That was the first incident that I heard of. I guess there was another one a couple of days ago.
I thought it looked like a PS (or BS) job and tried to research it. I’m thinking they created this to “show” their faithful followers what the billboard will look like if they raise enough $$$$
I personally spoke to the Ball city Police Department and they confirmed that the sign is real. It is an electronic sign (not a vinyl one), which may account for its “unreal” appearance in the photo.
From the conversation, I inferred that the person I talked to didn’t know what the sign meant.
The sign is legit. I called the local PD and asked. It’s an electronic sign, which is why it looks odd.
What a waste of electricity. The money they are collecting for this type of subversive advertising could be spent, oh I don’t know, doing something Christian like feeding the hungry.
Be funny if it bluescreened or something like that.
To dunstvangeet:
Arthur was never elected as President (he assumed the office on the death of Garfield) but he still should have met the same natural born citizen requirements.
It was not known at the time of his VP election that his father was not an American citizen … that fact did not come to light until 2008 … and Arthur was careful to NOT make the information available at the time.
In the case of the present office holder he has stated that he was a Brit at birth. As to that disqualifying him what most reasonable people wish to see is that “run through” our legal system and decided under the laws of the country in a fair manner.
This man’s actions in resisting making this sort of information (or other related data) available is what is making millions of citiens VERY suspicious about the matter.
Keep in mind that he has just stated:
“I will never hide the truth because it is uncomfortable.”. Do you think he’s lying about that???
I believe, however, that there is ample evidence to show what the NBC clause means (and, if a Brit at birth, he does not qualify). That will all be argued – with evidence – eventually in front of SCOTUS and we’ll see what they decide … and note that I did not say it was defined in the Constitution (it isn’t – like many other things). It’s not worth debating on Dr. C’s blog since it is mostly filled with O-borter lovers. You’d be welcome to appear before SCOTUS and try your tricks there, though, I’m sure.
NBC:
You see unaware the Wond Kim Ark is a slender reed indeed upon which to base your argument – and you are not quoting from the decision which studiously avoided making such a NBC claim – but merely dicta (chit chat).
I’m willing to see what actual law tells us when heard on the merits (not tossed around by those of questionable knowledge on blogs like this). Aren’t you??
It was already decided by SCOTUS. Natural born is any child born in the US, regardless the nationality of the parents.
What now?
Not really. The case is quite strong from a historical perspective, the Supreme Court is unlikely to hear the case due to lack of standing. In other words, we have a strong case based on history, legislative as well as judicial.
Sorry, but these are the facts.
Keep hoping…
To misha:
Actually, the issue in fact is that without a valid, legally substantiated original birth certificate, NO ONE (quite possibly including the man himself) can be certain where he was born. If arguendo he was born in HI, that MAY only make him a citizen, but not necessarily a NBC.
If not born in HI (or another US state) he may not even have been eligible to be a Senator per Constitutional requirements. And even if born in HI he could still end up being an illegal alien under some conditions.
In fact, his father may not even be Obama the elder at all, but the Communist pornorgrapher/poet Frank Marshall Davie which whom both Barry and his mom’s dad had lots of contact with and both of those guys hated the US.
None of the above can be factually determined without the starting point of a valid BC (not COLB) and some of his college records, but in the meantime we can ALL have our beliefs.
So the issue is not really “citizenship” but whether or not he meets Constitutional muster. I for one am not willing to take his word for it but many of the O-borters seem willing to believe him to be completely honest and forthright. I think I’ve detected a lie or two that make me no longer gullible.
You can make your own decision of course but consider what a monstrous fraud has been perpetrated upon ALL americans if he is not eligible (or for that matter if his daddy was a hard-core Communist).
jtk, the original birth certificate has never been a problem, in fact, it’s not required by any form of government to prove anything. A COLB can be used to prove to the Federal Government where you were born, and that’s the only thing that matters.
Every single government accepts what Obama has produced to FactCheck, would be sufficient to prove the place of birth to the Federal Government.
So, my question is the following: If this document (original, produced by the state) is enough to convince the Federal Government that someone where someone was born, then why do you say that it isn’t enough to prove to the Federal Government where someone was born?
Are you seriously suggesting that having a hard core communist father makes one ineligible?
How un-american, how anti-constitutional. Is that really your position?
If so, wow
1. jtk, read the 12th Amendment: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” That means that if Chester A. Arthur was not eligible to be President, he also wasn’t eligible to be Vice President.
2. Your point of Chester A. Arthur’s father not being known doesn’t contrive with the facts. Dr. Conspiracy actually addressed this issue more than once. It’s really addressed here: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/chester-a-arthur-rest-in-peace/
3. Paragraph 3 is more of the same: “He won’t prove me wrong, so I must be right!”
4. The Natural-Born Citizen clause doesn’t show that. Read the case of Perkins v. Elg. Marie Elizabeth Elg held the citizenship of both the U.S. and Sweden during her childhood (Born in the U.S., went to Sweeden, and obtained citizenship there). Despite this, she was declared a “Natural Born Citizen” by the court.
The don’t ever address the message to President Obama. So all in all President Obama still doesn’t need to address it.
Damn just damn.
“If arguendo he was born in HI, that MAY only make him a citizen, but not necessarily a NBC… And even if born in HI he could still end up being an illegal alien under some conditions.”
Specifically, what conditions? How could he have violated the 14th Amendment? Are you a constitutional lawyer?
“In fact, his father may not even be Obama the elder at all, but the Communist pornorgrapher/poet Frank Marshall Davie”
I thought you guys had decided his father was really Malcolm X. Make up your minds.
BTW, are you clinically insane?
jtx says: “I believe, however, that there is ample evidence to show what the NBC clause means”
I’m not interested in what you believe, but what your evidence is. So far, you don’t seem to have any.
The powerful and historically sweeping arguments made by the Wong court cite the same material that would be used should any future court decide specifically on the question of presidential eligibility. Spin language (“slender reed”, “studiously avoided”, “questionable”, and “chit chat”) aside, the substance of the arguments in Wong and on this web site are solid and compelling.
Whether it’s a legal dictionary, attorney general opinions, Colonial laws, legislation or court decisions, the answer is consistent and inescapable. Those born in the United States (excepting the children of ambassadors) are natural born citizens.
jtx, continues to share his unsubstantiated beliefs by saying that the birth certificate, supplied by the State of Hawaii, sealed with the State Seal and signed (stamped) by the head of Vital Statistics for the State of Hawaii is not “valid, legally substantiated.” Next jtx will be telling us that black is white and cats are dogs.
The Supreme Court in Wong decided that folks like Obama are citizens not “MAY only make him a citizen.”
Are you saying that black communists impregnate white women just by their visiting the family, because your suggestion that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s father has nothing else go to on. This, as much as anything, points out how much jtx is in fantasy land. Rather than concluding that Obama’s father is the one married to his mother and named on his birth certificate, he picks the only other black man whose name he knows.
And in any case, Frank Marshall Davis, was not a “hard core communist”. You don’t know your history. Lots of intellectuals dallied with the communist party in the 1940’s. For more on Davis, check out this article: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Kaleokualoha/gGxdvX
When jtx says “questionable knowledge on blogs like this” I wonder if jtx has actually looked at this blog. The comment was added to an inconsequential article about a billboard and not to one of the many substantial articles specifically about birth certificates and natural born citizenship.
The interplay that makes up the comments on this blog varies from nonsense to well-reasoned and factual. However, the comments by their very nature are ad hoc and not as researched and edited as the main articles.
If someone wants to know what this blog really says on birth certificates or citizenship, click on the links at the top of the right side bar. What you will find there is carefully documented argument and not “questionable knowledge.”
On the other hand, if you don’t want facts to get in the way of your beliefs, then don’t read the articles because they will surely depress you. Perhaps I should put up a warning to nObamas: “abandon hope all ye who enter here.”
It’s doubtful that President Obama spends a moment thinking about the rants and ravings from Birthers. That is because they are meaningless — until they become calls for secession, armed revolt, or a military coup. Then it’s not President Obama who thinks about that; it is men and women with the authority, power, and legitimacy to bring charges of sedition and treason.
It seems as if many Birthers oppose one or more of President Obama’s policies. Why are they wasting time on the birth certificate issue when they could, instead, be criticizing those policies? Could it be that they know that they would lose in their attacks on the policies as well?
The American people have left you so far behind that you cannot even see them, while you are stuck in the echo chamber of conspiracy theories, plots, lies, and deceptions. Losers, losers, losers.
Bring on the threats of your next ploy, losers. That must be so much fun: doing nothing while proclaiming that victory is just around the corner. Why not try actually participating in the American political system through dialogue? It worked for Ronald Reagan.
No, Dr. C.:
I have “read this blog” as well as most of the links … and I do not find it convincing at all but merely hot air for the most part with even a good bit of the links off topic.
Having said that, it’s not something I wish to wast my time and energy “debating” on this (or any other) blog. Instead I wish to see the issue brought before a legally constituted court of law – preferably with a jury – and heard on the merits.
Whewn that happens (and I believe that it will) we will be able to discern the truth and we may all go back to earning a living – or whatever.
AFAIC the sooner that happens the better off we’ll all be and that is the reason I find it so peculiar that those struggling to convince themselves that the man is eligible refuse to NOT join with the millions who wish to have the issue correctly determined under the laws of the country.
I think I know what the man himself is afraid of, but what are the rest of you afraid of? The money he is spending to prevent any information (Not just the BC) from being made public is excessive – probably on the order of $1M and now taxpayer funds are being used, too. I think that’s a lousy use of my money … but perhaps you’d all like to have your taxes higher for that purpose???
NBC:
I’m not sure just which “the case” you might be talking about since there are many presently still active with more to come.
You still haven’t explained why you don’t support a proper trial on the merits to settle the eligibility issue. It’d be both historic and interesting and would save the whole country a lot of grief.
Perhaps you don’t think so, but there are millions of Americans from all different political perspectives that are realizing more and more that there may indeed be a “reason” why $1 million or more is being spent on legal fees opposing the release of any information … and you don’t think that’s a tad odd??? Check some of the lawsuits (they are numerous) for this opposition since it is publicly-availagble knowledge.
NBC:
No it was never decided by SCOTUS. Neither they nor any other court have ever heard the case on the merits. SCOTUS merely punted to duck out.
Why don’t you join with millions of others in getting the issue of eligibility decided correctly in a court of law?
In other words, lacking any evidence that can be used to argue that Obama is not eligible, I prefer to present the hearsay and innuendo to a jury, in the hope of having a legally elected President removed, in violation of our Constitution.
I notice once again that your arguments are easily rebutted, and you have made no effort to support your ignorant claims.
I also notice that you have failed to debunk the simple fact that Obama is a natural born citizen as the evidence strongly suggest that he was born in Honolulu and there exists no evidence to the contrary.
At best a handful are still pending, most of them have already been rejected by the legal system and are slowly making their way up the legal ladder to be ultimately rejected. I believe that over 30-40 lawsuits have been rejected, each rejection becoming legal precedent for future lawsuits, making their rejection more and more likely as well.
Because it lacks in merit, will unnecessarily impair President Obama’s presidency and is anti-Constitutional as it fails to preserve the separation of powers. The Founders were very clear that other than Impeachment through the legislative branch, a sitting President could not be removed.
I understand that a few people are still upset that they lost the elections and are seeking to overthrow President Obama’s administration at all cost, including the cost of ignoring the Constitution. The fact that there are still a few such lawsuits pending, is of little relevance really, they all suffer from the same problems.
And in the end we all know that the legal evidence strongly, and overwhelmingly suggest that President Obama was born in Honolulu and thus a natural born citizen per previous judicial rulings.
Such are the simple facts.
dunstvangeet:
The issue with Arthur that was raised was that he was born in non-US soil; not that his father was not a citizen … that was not known at the time and was only unearther in 2008.
Certainly Arthur knew he WAS born in the US so encouraged the furor about that fact, but never let anyone know that his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth.
And, yes, I’ve read the material Dr. C. has linked about the matter. The fact that Arthur took pains to destroy his papers after he left the office is, I think, especially telling since no one with an inflated enough ego to run for President or Vice-President would certainly be concerned with having his legacy be as favorable as possible. Arthur chose secrecy for that reason I believe.
To the present time, Obama has told everyone that his father was a Brit, not a US citizen, nor – as he just recently seemed to imply – was his father an immigrant since he was never took up permanent residence here.
Of course, that (also) may not be true and no one will ever know until the court action, will they?
Because as I have stated, and so has DrC, the vast amount of legal, judicial, historical evidence all support the position that anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen regardless of the status of the parents.
The ruling in Wong Kim Ark have clearly established Supreme Court precedents.
Of course, in order for the case to be heard, other Constitutional barriers need to be overcome and none of the lawsuits so far seems to have been able to achieve standing.
Wong Kim Ark decided the following
Such is the Constitutional protection.
At the time of his birth…
In exploring the meaning of citizen, the court observes
Observing that the Constitution fails to define the meaning of the terms, the court explores the common law history
The court takes notice that
In other word, any child born on the King’s soil is a natural born citizen, except when the parents are foreign ambassadors, or the father is an invading military. By virtue of being born subject to the laws of the King, the child is born under allegiance of the King.
The court could not have stated it more clearly
And thus concludes
What now?
There will never be a court action. Obama IS legally the President. The only way to remove a sitting President is by Impeachment by a majority of the House and Conviction by 2/3 of the Senate. Why don’t you and your “millions” work on that? Another way to remove him is to run a candidate against him in 2012 who can get more votes. And then when all that fails, on Jan 20, 2017, he’ll be ineligible under the 22nd amendment. Imagine, eventually you folks will be able to say he’s ineligible and be correct!
And this was known during the election cycle and yet the people, the electoral college and the Congress did not object to his eligibility. Of course, since Obama was born on US soil, the status of his father had no impact on the natural born status of the child.
Such is the conclusion of law.
Given these facts, the lack of standing, the lack of evidence, and the lack of legal and judicial support all lead to the simple conclusion…
What now?
More legal precedent
McKay v. Campbell, 2 Sawy. 118, it is said:
In 2 Kent, Cornm. (9th Ed.,) it is said that
To defend the Constitution? Sure. No taxes too high really.
Of course, I’d rather prefer my taxes being used to improve healthcare in this country, as well as the middle class. Then again, what is 1 million really… (Assuming that this is the cost. The defendants in California have so far filed only court costs and show no entry for attorney fees in their filings against Keyes and Orly.)
So perhaps, the 1 million dollars went to other costs for Obama’s Campaign and not to these lawsuits after all?…
In the end it does not matter, President Obama has the Constitutional right to defend himself against these meritless lawsuits. Imagine the precedent by giving in to these lawsuits… The damages to law and the Constitution would be immense, potentially undermining any future President by allowing anyone to file lawsuits for discovery. Which is why the Congress was so clear that for instance Quo Warranto against an elected president was counter to the Constitution.
Error Detection Algorithms show no evidence of manipulation
Well if you had no intention of offering debate or rational rgument, why have you been wasting our time with your insults and unsupported assertions?
Talk about “hot air”!
Did you just make up that $1M number, or did someone else make it up for you?
jtx: I have shown from contemporary newspaper clippings (that said Arthur was a “born Irishman”) and from the correspondence of his opponents, that the fact that Arthur’s father was not a naturalized citizen was known. I have also shown that the Supreme Court of New York (Arthur was from New York) said that it was the universal public opinion that those born in the United States are natural born citizens without regard for the status of their parents.
In the case of contemporary Obama, there is no question that the facts of his parentage were widely known, and no one in the Congress, the Court or the state secretaries of state seemed to have any thought that this was an issue.
Of course, jtx in monumental arrogance claims to know more than all of them. Phooey!
As of day 4, Farah boasts of $40,000 in donations, at an average donation size of $25. If these numbers are correct, the total number of donations to this point is an underwhelming 1,600.
The elephant hath labored mightily and delivered unto us… a mouse.
If every nut case conspiracy theorist could drag the president around in court, it would be a total mess. Good thing the courts are required to dismiss lawsuits where they lack jurisdiction, where the plaintiffs lack standing, and where the question is political and not judicial.
Seems that Gates is relatively unknown and the confusions with Bill or William are relatively common.
Of course, nothing of real substance here.
NBC:
You seem to have missed the fact that I’m not interested in this form of “debate” dince it is not that at all and means nothing until it has the force of law behind it. I have a substantial set of links on all sides of the eligibility issue but still wish to see SCOTUS define the NBC term and rule on the eligibility.
Here’s a link you may have missed:
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
I see nothing wrong for a legal determination on the matter … do you??? And don’t give me the guff about “… he’s already shown himself to be eligible …”, etc. There has been no such definitive determination notwithstanding the many hours that you, Dr. C. and others have devoted to claiming there is no issue.
Clearly there IS an issue and for the good of the country it needs to be formally and properly resolved. This man will never go down in history with this issue hanging over his legacy and I would think that all the O-borter fans here and Obama himself would recognize that. It will not be kept hidden forever; better to clarify it now. If he’s found (formally and legally with appropriate evidence in a court of law) to be eligible – fine! If not, it’s better to determine that now before his ineligibility wrecks the country since many of his actions would be invalid.
The fact that he publicly stated his father was a Brit is not the issue since no one picked up on that fact (except Leo Donofrio) soon enough but there were several suits in front of SCOTUS pointing this out but the court chose not to hear them on merit. Are you claiming that since “no one” (your words, basically) noticed it’s OK that he may not be eligible??? And please don’t quote inapplicable cases/courts who don’t get to interpret the Constitution. Itr seems as though you are saying a fraud is just fine so long as it isn’t recognized soon enough. Are you sure that’s what you really mean??
First of all, as I have outlined, there is no issue, which is also why courts refuse to grant discovery to plaintiffs. Second of all, your ‘fears’ that Obama will ‘never go down in history with this issue over his legacy’, seems to be rather more wishful thinking than actual. In fact, I doubt that the issue will have much of any effect on the legacy of President Obama.
Again, you are incorrect. The actions of a de facto President would still be valid.
Of course not. I am saying that people were well aware of the issues and realized that all that matters is the location of birth. As such Obama clearly meets the requirements.
As to ‘inapplicable court rulings’, you seem to forget that these cases provide, combined with the Supreme Court’s own rulings evidence how natural born should be interpreted.
Have you stopped beating your spouse?
Dr. C.:
“monumental arrogance”, indeed!! The pot calls the kettle black. The presentations you make are heresay and the NU SC opinion, unfortunately for them, does not get to interpret the U. S. Constitution.
That’s the job of SCOTUS and that’s where this issue will certainly end up. It will satisfy me completely to have a SCOTUS ruling of the meaning of “natural born citizen” as used in the US Constitution and a ruling on the current occupant of the office as to his eligibility.
In the meantime, please stop your red herrings and straw men. They are a waste of time. Please join with millions of other Americans to have this issue formally decided since if eligible it will help the man’s legacy and if not then the sooner that is determined the better.
It will not remain hidden as at present.
“It will satisfy me completely to have a SCOTUS ruling of the meaning of “natural born citizen” as used in the US Constitution and a ruling on the current occupant of the office as to his eligibility.”
toss another goal post on the fire, jethro! it’s getting damn cold out here in these woods …
He hasn’t proved that he’s stopped beating his spouse, NBC, so he must not have.
But, But, jtx insists there’s “millions, millions I tell you”.
$40,000 so far and only one (free) billboard up in BF Lousiana. The best part is going to be the splaining why there aren’t billboards up anywhere else. “Oh, it takes 2 weeks to print the vinyl and we’re negotiating in BIG cities right now! These things must be done delicately…” how many weeks from now will there still be only one billboard and these fools will never challenge Farah as to where their money went.
“Have you stopped beating your spouse?”
Bada bing!
“the total number of donations to this point is an underwhelming 1,600”
Quite apart from “millions.”
“these fools will never challenge Farah as to where their money went”
It’s a racket. They’re so blinded by hatred, it’s affected their judgement. Barnum would be laughing. Remember Mencken: No one ever went broke underestimating the public’s taste.
These birthers should just be ignored. They make a lot of noise disproportionate to their numbers. Millions turns out to be around 1,600. That’s not even 1% of the population.
As I wrote before, they just can’t stand that a black family is in the White House. The same crowd is starting on Jindal: He’s not natural born, because his parents were here on student visas.
Yeah, and I was born on Mars. Know why they call it the Red planet? ‘Cause it’s communist.
And there is no reason that the debate requires the ‘force of law’ behind it because the Courts so far have unanimously decided that the plaintiffs lack standing.
Bummer
Translation: Since I have nothing to show that Obama is not a natural born citizen and since Dr C has shown how legislative, judicial history and the opinion of many well informed people all support that someone born on US soil is a “natural born citizen” regardless of the status of the parents, I am not interested in a real debate since I cannot possibly win. However, I may be able to disrupt the Presidency of someone with whose policies I disagree by expecting him to provide further evidence that he is natural born, even though he has presented such evidence.
All because a few ‘Americans’ claim to doubt his eligibility.
Fascinating.
And of course it will not remain hidden since at present it is not even hidden.
But that requires one to look at the facts of the case, and you seem to be far less interested in the facts than you are in hypotheticals. Thank God, the Constitution protects us here.
If the Republican Party decides Jindal is a good President or VP candidate, they will grow a pair and explain that, yes, Jindal is eligible, to these fools. Once corrected, said fools will claim they never had a doubt about Jindal and never said a thing about both parents having to be citizens. Or they’ll stay home and not vote because their heads will be so f’ed up that their choice is between a black man and a brown man.
It is sad what they are missing because the Obama family is as American as Apple pie. Barack is a soccer dad!
1% of the population would be 3 million. But 1600 is a little less than 1/2 the population of Ball, LA!
For one thing, that would be unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly gives Congress the ultimate authority to determine the issue of presidential qualifications, following determination through the electoral process.
I see you’ve trotted out P. A. Madison. I know his paper, although there was not a link to it here that I know of. I have amended that.
P. A. Madison puts forth a few citations from legislators, none of which carries authority, and fails to address the bulk of the material on the other side from law and court decisions. It’s fairly easy to make an argument if you just pick evidence from one side and I can see how someone could fall for Madison’s argument if they trusted him to be giving a fair summary of the evidence, which he most definitely is not.
Madison’s very first sentence is contradicted by Smith v. Alabama. Probably the most comprehensive refutation available (apart from US v. Wong Kim Ark), which points out pretty well the fallacy in the argument, is the Supreme Court of NY decision in Lynch v. Clarke. P. A. Madison also fails to reckon with the testimony of his namesake, President James Madison, considered to be the Father of the Constitution, who said:
You won’t find anyone who was a founder of this country on the other side.
Just as the claims that Chester A. Arthur was born in Canada warrant a short paragraph in a 500 page biography of Arthur, the conspiracy theories about Barack Obama will likely be all but lost 100 years from now.
I found that the Wikipedia had been changed to say that Jindal’s parents became citizens during the year between their arrival and his birth. Of course no immigrant can be come a citizen of the US without 5 years residence. I fixed the Wikipedia.
Always ready to defend the truth. Great job Dr C.
So, I wonder how many more “unauthorized” biographies of Jindal will begin to make this claim. It’s scary how these people will manipulate the truth to reach their end.
I don’t think Jindal has a chance, but if is considering a run, he would be foolish to let people put out false and easily disproved information about his parents’ citizenship — certainly his primary opponents would be aware of the true facts.
The crisis is not judicial. It can only be resolved through remedial Civics education.
My thinking was that there will be no Democratic primaries in 2012 because Obama will run for re-election unchallenged in his party unless something unforeseen happens. We won’t see his name on a ballot until the general election. But it’s possible if Jindal decides to run we will see his name on primary ballots in late 2011. Then Republicans will have to correct the “both parents have to be citizens” made-up rule long before anyone revives the question about Obama. Even the Republican Party still has some grown ups that won’t allow that kind of stupidity to dictate who the candidates are. I think Jindal would correct false stories about his parents. He’s proud of his heritage just like Obama. He and the Repubs know he’s eligible and I think it would be delicious for the Republicans to be the ones to have to straighten out their little pocket of birther craziness. He may not have a chance, but this is the reason I hope he runs.
Did you guys see where Orly got a letter from Suter? Too funny.
WOW! has anyone ever heard of someone so conceited they think their candidate should/will run unchallenged within their own party? THAT is the very proof of the many that think this Man is like some Messiah. How many of your are onboard with the way kimba is thinking and already feel Obama should be the only Dem. that runs in 2012?
Bush faced no major challengers in 2003-04. Conveniently forget? The only place he didn’t win more than 95% of the primary vote was Oklahoma where Bill Wyatt won 10%. Do you even know who Bill Wyatt is? Obama is a wildly popular President. Suck it up. Like Jon Stewart said, ” you’re the minority now, it’s supposed to taste like a sh!t taco.” Crawl back in your hole Obama denier.
Actually I tend to think your correct. Well, it will be one of two things. Either Obama unveils his true intentions to early of his idiotic ideas, and his many followers realize they had the wool pulled over their faces, OR he’ll fly under the radar for 4 years with his infamous rhetoric and the same 60 million voters that are ashamed to admit they screwed up will do it again. So yes, there is that chance of him being hardly challenged.
And your damn right Im an Obama denier. I don’t like it when someone is taking our country down the road of destruction. At least I have the foresight to see it.
Truth,
Did your senses warn you about GWB?
She really should hire a lawyer because she’s clearly playing beyond her competence.
Well, she’s having her cavity creeps do her research, which is bad enough.
I believe the term ‘foresight’ does not quite accurately describe your dislike of Obama and his policies.
Or were you talking about Bush?
That is surely quite clear.
It’s almost painful to see her ‘thought’ processes on the blog…
My prediction is that she will re-submit and Suter will reject it.
But they will give her all the opportunity to make her case… Oh the pressure.
“Having said that, it’s not something I wish to wast my time and energy “debating” on this (or any other) blog. Instead I wish to see the issue brought before a legally constituted court of law – preferably with a jury – and heard on the merits.”
Translation – My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts.
Exactly… How after all does one defend the indefensible. The goal is not to win but rather to distract and disrupt.
Ain’t gonna work, not without at least some legal foundation and evidence.
I’d say that the US rules for subpoenas of foreign entities, combined with the FSIA statement about immunities will make the success of a suit which only indirectly involves ambassadors and where no law guides the release of information will make any chances of success close to non-existent. Even if the USC accepts the pleadings, there is no chance of success.
There are other hucksters with the illegal to travel to Pakistan in 1981 scam.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter159.htm
It is almost funny that the Bible-Thumper sites are the most dishonest.
Don’t waste your time asking the source of their lies. Been there, done that.
But the Thumpers always want donations…
“The fact that he publicly stated his father was a Brit is not the issue since no one picked up on that fact (except Leo Donofrio) soon enough”,
I have never heard a more naive comment from a birther. Obama was a rising star in 2004, wrote two best selling books about his life, and you think the great legal mind as Donifrio is the first person to pick up on that fact. Never mind Obama was running for President almost two years before the election. Are you really under the impression that the multi million dollar campaign of HRC did not know his father was not a citizen. They did not publicly explore this because they knew it had no legal traction.
jtx: “The fact that he publicly stated his father was a Brit is not the issue since no one picked up on that fact (except Leo Donofrio) soon enough but there were several suits in front of SCOTUS pointing this out but the court chose not to hear them on merit.”
Not only publicly stated, but put it on his web site. The early lawsuits were all about the “born in Kenya” myth. There’s not a word from lawyer Philip J. Berg in Berg v. Obama, and to this day Berg says there is no “two citizen parent” requirement.
It wasn’t that Donofrio recognized the implications of Obama’s parentage, it was that Donofrio recognized that he could promote the novel theory that citizen parents were required. Before Donfrio, I do not know of anyone who made the claim that citizen parents were required of a president. I know of plenty that said the opposite.
I continue to be amazed at the false memories exhibited by the nObamas who remember their high school civics class discussing the citizen parent requirement, and who believe “everybody knew about it” when in fact you cannot find a word in any Civics text book that says this, nor contemporary evidence of such a belief discussed before June, 2008
It’s called “confabulation” — see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
Kimba, Obama won’t face major opposition in the primaries in 2012, but that doesn’t mean that there won’t be primaries. It just means that he will run essentially unopposed and in theory won’t spend money on them. (In practice, if he stays true to his community organizing sensibilities, he will recognize the value of rallying his base in 50 states well before the election – he won in part because the highly contested primaries of 2008 gave him the opportunity to create strong grassroots organizations in virtually every state.).
He will have some ‘fringe’ opposition — I would predict coming from the left, especially if we are still at war in Afghanistan. (If we are still in Iraq… all bets are off). But it won’t amount to much. In states that allow crossover primary voting, there will be a lot of dems & independents voting in the Republican party, which probably will hurt the chances of any far-right candidates who choose to run. They’ll get the 2012 equivalent of Bob Dole.
It’s hilarious. It’s legalese for “explain to us again why we should hear your pathetic stinkin’ case.”
Lynn Stuter is a long-time birther. And yes it’s funny how many fundamentalists seem to ignore that whole part about not bearing false witnesses……..
Lying for god is OK, sometimes even a virtue. After all, god lies, even to his prophets. Not that atheists are the final authority on what god likes and dislikes, but this is a pretty interesting article:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/lyingforgod.html
We’re having a nice thunderstorm in New England. No strikes here ye…
I was on Team Sarah today, the birthers over there have this same sign up in conjunction with H.R bill 985, Federal Whistle Blowers Act. Some how they’ve got it under their tinfoil hats that the bill is a stealth bill to keep Obama from having to disclose information, like his B.C. I was trying to explain that the bill relates to contract Federal employees, not elected officials. I’m sure I’ll be banned tomorrow.
You should wear your prospective banning from Team Sara with pride.
Sorry to interrupt the discussion on broader issues here but I want to comment on how WND plans to make Honolulu an early target for their billboards. As usual, the pseudo-journalists at WND don’t spend a nanosecond on research. Won’t they be surprised when they learn that sign sizes & locations have been tightly regulated since the Territorial days, & those huge billboards are illegal? Read more here about our Outdoor Circle & their work since 1912 to protect the beauty of our islands
http://www.outdoorcircle.org/education/sign-ordinances
When WND learns this, I predict we’ll next see an outraged article about how “Lingle Mandates Emergency Law Blocking Billboards” or some similar BS.
I love how Martin & the Birthers all think Lingle is just “in on it too.” Her constituents here remain PO’d about her conduct re the election, off campaigning in the Mainland for McCain but snubbing Obama’s first Governors’ meeting. Even the local GOP is angry that she didn’t stay here to help the handful of lonely souls on the “R” ballot here. Good thing this is her second term. She’ll probably move back to the Mainland when it ends, hoping for a job on Faux News.
And now I’ll go off topic but since I’m here, I need to point out how Berg is a total hypocrit, again. I’ll give Kudos for obamacrimes posting those moving pics of Veterans’ Cemeteries. You’ll note though, that he left out the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific called Punchbowl, in Honolulu. The resting place of so many who died on that “Day of Infamy” at Pearl Harbor. Inconveniently, for Berg, Punchbowl is also the resting place of Stanley Dunham, the grandfather of our President. Let us all say a prayer tomorrow for all ofour veterans.
Soetoro must have been on Advance Parole in 1981 …
The differences between Advance Parole and Re-entry Permit are:
Advance Parole is issued to a foreign national who does not have permanent resident status. A Re-entry Permit is issued to a permanent resident of the U.S.
On the appearance, an Advance Parole document is a piece of paper with the foreign national’s photograph whereas a Re-entry Permit looks like a passport
Advance Parole is like a visa to the U.S. while a Re-entry Permit is like a passport
Advance Parole is valid for one year whereas a Re-entry Permit is valid for two years
Any evidence leading to this possibility ? or is it just a guess or hoping ?
Sven doesn’t need any evidence, he has a book called “Pure Conjecture”.
You want the impossible: you’re asking a birfer for evidence. Meanwhile, Orly has been asking her minions whether they know anything about Obama visiting Russia in 2005 and being “marooned for a couple of hours in customs because of some passport issues”. Good grief, it took me a few minutes to google the truth:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-64153.html
I even found a picture by Kommersant of the happy ending:
http://www.kommersant.ru/dark-gallery.aspx?PicsID=276485&stpid=63 It seems Lugar could appreciate the 3 hour delay better than Obama. Yes, I needed some knowledge of Russian to find the picture – but surely Orly still has a good command of it? Oh, and how does Sven explain that you can land in Russia on your way to Ukraine from the US without a proper passport? Surely, the CIA would not like anyone in Russia to know that a US senator who is a member of a Foreign relations Committee is not even a US citizen? Interesting how la Orly will spin herself out of that one.
Rough translation (ala Google with a touch of Babelfish):
Moscow hopes that a new U.S. president Barack Obama (center), remembers the hospitality that he and his colleague, Senator Richard Lugar (left) had in Russia (photo: Gentlemen Obama and Lugar while away time in the Permian airport in 2005)
Note: a straight Google search translation doesn’t work – Google translates коротают as “cheat”, but Bablefish translates that word as meaning “they while away” — but Bablefish generally garbles the rest, translating Барак Обама as “the barracks Of [obama].”
Speaking as a vet… I gotta tell you, I am offended by Berg’s cynical use of Memorial Day to push his less than honorable agenda. And I don’t offend easily.
Still making up facts without supporting evidence.
What a crock.
Soetoro was abandoned by his mother in Indonesia, so he went to live with his grandmother in Hawaii. As a citizen of Indonesia, that makes him a refugee with status.
This would explain the assertion by Soetoro that a detailed examination of his birth records would lead to embarrassment, not to mention his ineligibility to be President.
You seem to have no problems with making up facts, don’t you?
Lacking any evidence, your speculations will have to, as usual, be rejected, as fanciful imaginations.
Tell me, NBC, how does a minor obtain a US Passport without both parents presenting and swearing an oath before an US Government Official?
These photographs are all copied from the Web site of the American Battle Monuments Commission.
http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries.php
It is a shame that this accessible collection is on Berg’s Web site, although he seems to have violated no copyright laws. (He did fail to provide the requested citation: “We welcome links to this American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC) web site. Unless a copyright is indicated information on this ABMC web site is in the public domain and may be copied and distributed without permission. Citation of the ABMC as source of the information is appreciated.”) The pictures are shown by individual cemetery on the ABMC Web site, with explanatory notes such as history and directions. The impact is greater when they are all on one page.
Anyone interested in posting this collection on a site that would not reek of Berg’s hatred of President Obama?
Through a birth certificate combined with the court decision about Dunham’s divorce which granted her custody and control over Obama Jr.
What did you think?
PS: Have you even spent the necessary effort on looking at the regulations, such as DS-11, in case of a single custodian?
Geez, no wonder you come to such fanciful, and unsupported conclusions.
Before you try imagination, try doing some research to lay a foundation for your claims.
PS: How can a minor lose his natural born citizenship of the US?
Berg is getting desperate. No progress, only set-backs and his financial situation is not getting better either.
Bummer…
Your desperation is pathetic. You just made that up about Obama’s mother. You have no shame at all when trying to tie together your sad little narrative.
I got my oldest son a passport without his mom. It’s not an issue.
He does plenty of research, only it comes from Right Wing tinfoil land. Sven has no use for research from reputable sources.
Read Perkins v. Elg. A minor cannot give up a claim to U.S. Citizenship, SvenMagnussen, no matter what his parents do. Whether or not he was a Indonesian citizen or not has no bearing on anything. He was born a citizen of the United States, and therefore retained his citizenship until he was of an age to renounce it for another citizenship.
Saying that he was an Indoneasian Citizen is roughly akin to saying, “A banana is a fruit, and therefore, I will be able to land the plane on time.”
Well done, at least some seem to be able to do the research necessary.
And then we have those who make up stories without ANY evidence.
No wonder, the courts refuse to hear such nonsense. And even if they would get past the standing issue, the case would be summarily dismissed.
I know, NBC. Their big evidence is Obama’s grandmother saying that she was present when Obama was born. I could get that tape dismissed without any legal training. It’s a rule of evidence called Hearsay.
Most of their other arguments are along the line of, “I won’t believe any of the evidence disproving my theory, so my theory must be true!”
It was a recorded message in possible violation of US law, in which an unknown person claiming to be Obama’s grandmother was asked questions in English, translated into Luo and translated back where the questions were ambiguous and the interpretation strongly objected to.
Indeed, the phone call stands no chance in court and in fact there is NO evidence supporting the assertions by those who want to have a President removed from office via un-constitutional procedures.
This took me 4 seconds to google:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html
Step 5: Provide Parental Consent.
See rules for One Parent with sole legal custody.
Typical birther, you read something somewhere, believe it completely and are too lazy to type “how to get a passport for a minor” into google and verify for yourself. So much more comforting to take the word of people who aim to deceive you because it’s what you want to hear. These people are counting on you not doing any verifying of your own. Just push paypal
How would examination of Obama’s birth information shed any light on his return to the United States from Indonesia 10 years later?
And exactly when did President Obama assert that : “a detailed examination of his birth records would lead to embarrassment, not to mention his ineligibility to be President”? In your dreams?
That’s absurd.
Seems to me this bill just proves that Obama is a natural born citizen and should end the discussion.
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=64551&catid=175
NBC:
Don’t fret, my friend … it will all come out in the courts where we can ALL determine the truth of the matter.
In the meantime why not save your breath since none of the stuff on this site has any evidentialy merit for court purposes.
I’d say the bill was unconstitutional, but a nice juicy court case along the lines of US v. Wong Kim Ark would be entertaining.
I think that such a comment came from a member of his legal minions trying to keep all of his records out of the hands of the public. He may not be foolish enough to make such a statement (but he’s said some other very foolish statements so who knows?).
I thought you were the great researcher, Doc.
You’re presuming that “the minor” actually HAD a natural born citizenship (Constitutional definition). That certainly assumes facts not in evidence and many people (millions in fact) thing that there was no such nbc, NBC.
Why don’t we all just stop wastime time and effort and have this properly settled in court. That would clear the decks for the ascendency to heaven of the O-borter which we could all get to witness. Such a hearing would either endorse his legacy for all time or help him be treated to the tender mercies of the law to the full extent possible.
OK by me either way. Why don’t you assist in the effort???
This will never be in any court. It’s not just that you have no facts or evidence that would be admissible in court. No individual could show they have been harmed and no court could deliver the remedy you seek. The decision in the Keyes case generously instructed the proper avenue to pursue: the 12th amendment and the Congress. But by all means, keep flopping around in your death throes with billboards, and presentments and Orly suits. The entertainment value is superb.
Hmmm.
Of course the web site only has copies of documents, and so is not itself evidence. The citations from history, legislation and law here would of course be the material a court would use in deciding that citizen parents are not required of a US president. The paper COLB is prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and in fact all the evidence necessary to prove the case in court (without some powerful refutation from the other side, none of which exists).
Why don’t you save your breath, since you have no evidence of your own.
I agree that the bill is unconstitutional – but considering they are trying to change the requirements for being a natural born citizen, just verifies that President Obama is a natural born citizen.
Any mother who sends her child to live with another person, even the grandmother, has abandoned that child. I’m not making anything up. That’s a fact.
Stanley Ann probably had a reason for abandoning Barry and I can only speculate because Obama refuses to release his complete birth record and passport data.
I noticed you ignored the question about a divorced mother being incapable of obtaining a passport for her minor child without the permission of the birth father, even if the birth father has abandoned the child.
Consequently, the only way Stanley Ann could take Barry with her to live with Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia would be for Lolo to adopt or acknowledge Barry has his son and obtain travel docs in that method.
The problem occurred when Stanley Ann’s marriage to Lolo began to deteriorate. Barry didn’t have a US passport. So, it’s likely Stanley Ann had Barry reported as abandoned in Indonesia. Barry’s grandmother went to the US Embassy and filed for custody. Barry was identified as a refugee and provided transportation to his grandmother.
If Barry has not filed naturalization papers to regain US citizenship, then he is still an Indonesian citizen with refugee status.
Sadly enough for your case, the courts have and will continue to reject to hear the case for Constitutional reasons.
Since it is based on a legally valid document called the COLB, I have to once again reject your claims. Of course, if you are describing the case on the side of the plaintiffs, then you have a point. There is no evidence on that side that will make it into the record. For obvious reasons.
That you continue to ignore the evidence that President Obama showed his legally binding document, the Certification of Live Birth, which shows him born on US soil, combined with the birth announcements and other evidence, which show him born on US soil.
Simple facts.
That is incorrect, as long as the mother has a court document that states that she is the guardian of the child. Seems that you need to do some research my friend.
That is not what you suggested happened. You suggested that the mother had abandoned the child who then returned on some refugee visa. In fact, the mother sent back her child to live with her grand parents where he could enjoy a better childhood and education. In fact, by doing so, she weakened your position since Obama returned to live in the US long before he gained the age of majority.
Adoption was an impossibility. He may have acknowledged Obama as his ‘son’ but that has no impact on Obama’s status as a natural born US citizen. You do realize that a US born child cannot lose his natural born citizenship status through the actions of his parent(s)?
Contradicted by the facts, unsupported by any evidence. Why do you insist on making up facts my friend? Does reality not suit you? I can understand your desperation but not your methods.
Translation: I have no evidence and once again Doc has called someone’s bluff and won.
Seems that Doc is quite an expert at exposing lies and manufactroversies.
Have you no shame to make assertions without any backing evidence other than ‘I believe that…’?
Wow.
‘Exactly when did President Obama assert that : “a detailed examination of his birth records would lead to embarrassment, not to mention his ineligibility to be President”?’
This particular birther lie traces to a defense motion in Berg v. Obama, which quotes from FRCP Rule 26(c)(1), in which protecting a party from “embarrassment” is among the several valid motivations for a protective order.
http://www.obamacrimes.info/100608Obama,%20Defense%20request%20for%20Protective%20Order%20re%20Discovery.pdf
Contrary to SvenMagnussen’s reporting, there was never any statement by Obama, nor his attorney, that embarrassment was the motivation for requesting the order.
More frivolous ‘arguments’ it seems, resulting not from a careful research but rather from jumping to conclusions based on hearsay.
Sven: Any mother who sends her child to live with another person, even the grandmother, has abandoned that child….
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it is not a widely held one. Sending a child to another country for school, particularly by an expatriot is not at all unusual.
And again, how do you think any facts about Obama’s birth would have any relevance to Obama’s school choice ten years later? That’s nonsense. The rest is fantasy with no evidence. You have a nasty mind, I think.
NBC: “Seems that Doc is quite an expert at exposing lies and manufactroversies”
Nah, refuting nObamas is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Really all one has to do is stay honest, read carefully, listen to smarter people, and write it down.
Thanks very much for that information.
He’s as illegal as the Mexicans running around Phoenix killing people. Open your eyes.
And WND has more integrity than MSNBC, NBC, DailyKos, ABC, CBS, NPR, HuffPo and moveon.orgasm combined. Oh, and the LEFT doesn’t have the backing of “millionaires”? I’m sure George Soros would beg to differ, idiots.
I assume this means you have not seen his COLB which shows him born in the US.
That you consider WND to have more integrity than the other sites, explains your follies.
4 more years 🙂 Sucks doesn’t it…
exhibit a) joe farah, wnd owner/ceo, may 24 2009, “where’s the birth certifigate”:
please excuse the formatting on that last comment; my blockquotes seem to have imploded.
any way we can get preview capability for comments?
You are talking about the Russian text on the right, of course. It is a typical Kommersant joke: only the incrowd liberals and communists and people who still remember the episode know that is “black humour”. Note that under Communism, even under Khrutshov, no paper would have been able to get away with even that. As for the expression that Google could not translate, I did not even notice, since in German (and Dutch) it is the same: “Zeit kürzen”. It is probably an expression borrowed from German. Both Dutch and Russian also have an expression which looks borrowed from the English “to kill time” (which is how I would have translated this passage in English).
To stay on thread, I should have added that, in my view, Orly scored a nice own goal here. The two birth announcements, in two competing newspapers, with all the births in the same order, prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. The 2005 Russia episode proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Obama is a US citizen (whatever silliness may have happened in Indonesia or elsewhere). Conclusion: Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. If Orly gets that, she will now add the Russian Federation ambassador to her extaordinary “Mandamus Writ of Quo Warranto for Stay of Tenure”, of course.
Jtx, no-one is against a court case if the right plaintiff can be convinced to bring the case, the right plaintiff include Mccain, palin & Biden. This whole site is about examining the possible legal issues if it ever gets there & the most likely outcome (though the site isnt expressly a lawyers site). Get the right plaintiff before a court then it will get interesting.
But have you noticed the parties bringing these suits cant persuade the right parties to fill the suits, if the right parties cant be persuaded that they have a case why should Obama use up his good time fighting the wrong parties ??
Should i be able to bring a suit against you for an accident i or anyone known to me insnt involved in ? wont you asks a court to dismiss such a suit if the right parties are wrongly suing you especially when the right parties are easily identifiable ? That is what Obama’s lawyers are simply doing as any good lawyer would, you dont waste time answering questions asked by the wrong parties, you get it tossed.
As a lawyer i cant tell you that 90% of these cases will get tossed out even if no lawyer appeared for Obama as the parties would have to establish that they are the right parties & they cant do that.
So Jtx, get the right parties in court then we’ll see if the position stated by this site isnt upheld by the courts.
Because (1) The burden of proof in court would lie with those who challenge Obama’s citizenship, and they have as yet not been able to produce any shred of evidence to support that claim., and (2) such a “court” action would violate the US Constitution – both via Article III which limits the power of the courts, and via the provisions of the Constitution which put the power to both seat and unseat a President solely in the hands of Congress.
George Soros isn’t running a news web site, but the conservative millionaire investors do fund WND. There are web sites with extensive catalogs of the lies told by WND. I mention a few here: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/public-enemy-number-one/
I’ll have to look into it. It’s not part of the standard package.
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here’s something i found via google:
wordpress live comment preview plugin
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-comment-preview/
i’m not on wordpress so i can’t play with it (nor do i need to with blogger) but it looks very plug-and-play.
talk about timing! thanks!!!
works for me!
All Barry would have to do is show his ORIGINAL VAULT BC and his College Transcripts and AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL this arguing would cease.
unless…
…unless he has something to hide…
Back before June of 2008 people said “just show us a birth certificate and all this arguing will cease”. So Obama posted his birth certificate on his web site and let a fact checking organization look at it and photograph it. Then they said “just show us the long form (vault) copy of the birth certificate and all this arguing will cease”. Then as time went on, they said “just show us the long form (vault) copy of the birth certificate and his College Transcripts and all this arguing will cease”. And of course, no argument would cease. That idea is the biggest delusion of them all. There will be demands the Income tax forms for the last 20 years, passport records, entry and exit records, Indonesian records, Kenyan records, law firm client lists, and 5th grade school essays.
It’s a smear campaign, not a search for the truth.
Interesting…Saetoro is a Constitutional Attorney, so why would he NOT go through proper vetting channels like McCain did?
*BTW, I don’t support either side, they’re both owned by Wall Street*
Why does his COLB in Hawai’i rate a 24 hour armed security guard? His COLB part of national security now?
What a joke!
If new readers can’t see through these obvious smoking guns I feel for you all.
His mentor at Columbia was Zbigniew Brzezinski (you know Carter’s NSA advisor whom, with Robert Gates invented Al Qaeda-1st called the Mujahideen?) The same Brzezinski who in his book the Grand Chessboard BRAGS about how he funded Pol Pott in the 60’s to kill over a million Cambodians!
And this is Obama-er sorry, Saetoro’s mentor?
Pop quiz: what does Al Qaeda translate to?
Time’s up!
It means the database, as in the database Brzezinski and our current SECDEF invented to be quote, “…the Great Bulwark against Soviet Communism…”
These evildoers invented Islamic Fundamentalism!
Does anyone in their right mind truly believe that some people in a cave with walkie talkies could make NORAD stand down for the first time in its 50 year history?
Precisely what vetting die McCain get that Obama did not get? Documentation please.
Al Qaeda means “base”, not “database”.
manufactroversies? Are you for real? Nope.
These folks like NBC and the crock-o-shite doc make up words like they make up ‘facts’.
Pitiable really. Trading pseudo-intellectualism for reality in an effort (a failing 1 I add) to dissuade any truth seekers out there and all for a gov’t paycheck.
McCain’s BC
Here’s the skinny on Obamaton’s COLB: It would be, say again would be sufficient evidence of Barry’s birthplace if it had THE OFFICIAL STATE SEAL (that puffy circular raised kind) and a (Real) Doc’s signature; of which, it has NEITHER ONE!
That’s why folks weren’t satisfied with it. Plus the fact that underneath his name you can legibly see the name “Maya”.
Just like 9/11: there are just TOO MANY SIMPLE QUESTIONS that cannot be or refuse to be answered.
That’s why places like this exist.
I call them Side Track Sites.
Tata children and trolls…
[Obscene comment removed, Doc. C.]
Another lie, it has both. In fact, the seal can be seen on the scans and photographs taken of the document show both the seal and the signature (not the Doc’s but rather the administator of Hawaii Birth Records).
Sigh… Are you really going to continue your reign of error?
So far you have not shown any examples of me making up facts. In fact, I have shown many of your so called facts to be made up.
It’s called projecting my dear friend.
Obama presented his legally equivalent, the COLB.
Next…
He has presented his COLB which is sufficient. There is no reason to present the college transcripts as they do not establish his birth place which is sufficient.
Them are the facts my dear friend. That you do not like the facts is something you will have to deal with yourself, as it is unlikely that any court cases will succeed. Thank God for the Constitution which protects defendants from legal harassments.
He did go through the same proper vetting channels. Your ignorance is becoming a bit tiring. Do you really intend to be a showcase of ignorance and its effects on one’s reasoning skills and attention to facts?
Promethius11 says falsely:
Here are photos of the stamp and seal (stamp is on the back)
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
Well you seem to see all sorts of things that aren’t really there. But of course Maya wasn’t born in Hawaii, and doesn’t have a Hawaiian birth certificate, so it would be really strange for her name to be on one.
Knowing what I know, you seem an utter and complete flake. The only question is whether it’s worth the trouble to reply. Certainly not worth it for your benefit (you’re too far gone), and probably not for anybody else’s either.
Thanks Doc, educating people is something you do so well. I wonder if Prometheus realizes that he was a willing toy in the hands of those who are unable to present the facts. What is truly amazing is that you exposed these issues quite some time ago and yet, people are still repeating them.
Fascinating really as to how ignorance has its way to perpetuate through mere repetition of the same old lie.
Conspiracy theorists don’t see cause and effect the same way as normal people. I don’t have a clue how to effect change in people like that.
Re: “Any mother who sends her child to live with another person, even the grandmother, has abandoned that child. I’m not making anything up. That’s a fact.”
Hundreds, if not thousands do it. In addition to the ones who allow their children to live with their relatives, there are the ones who send them to Andover, Choate, Deerfield, Exeter, Groton, and in another country, Eaton and Harrow.