Dr. Conspiracy
When I read Dr. Fukino’s statement in the Hawaii Advertiser, I could almost feel how angry it would make the denialists. I also read a touch of anger in Fukino’s statement–she must be certainly way past fed up with the whole business.
All of the speculation about foreign registrations under Hawaiian law 337-17.8 and the theories about secret meaning in Fukino’s official statements last October were trashed. The director of the State Department of Health said plainly that Obama was born in Hawaii. For those who have been struggling to gain mind share over the Internet, this must be devastating. Most people still befuddled by birther misinformation will fold up their tents and go home, leaving no one but the hard core Obama haters.
Add to that a week full of media coverage, almost universally negative, with even conservative outlets like Fox News calling the whole business crazy. Even the bastion of conservative intellectual thought, the National Review said: “… this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes’ examining the claims of its proponents reveals.”
Then there was the gratuitous end to Fukino’s statement that Obama is a “natural born citizen”. I can hear them yelling, “HOW DARE SHE! Who is SHE to say who is a natural born citizen?” (The white supremacists may have added a few other choice words in place of “she”.) But who are folks like Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo to say that he is not? She is only saying what judges and US attorney generals have said for years. But how arrogant that must have sounded to those whose own unbounded arrogance causes them to ignore mountains of legal opinion and claim that they alone know how to interpret the US Constitution.
No, it has not been a good week to be an Obama eligibility denialist. They must be pretty angry and I understand why.
I can hear them yelling, “HOW DARE SHE! Who is SHE to say who is a natural born citizen?”
That is exactly what Phil at tRSoL said: “So, by what authority does Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a State-level official and employee, use to make any sort of declaration as to the eligibiliy of any candidate for office?”
Your response about Taitz and Apuzzo having no more “authority” to do so is spot on. (And a commenter over there noted Fukino made no such statement about “eligibiliy”.)
However, Taitz and Apuzzo are mere private citizens while Fukino issued her statement as official communication of her department. Still, that does not matter: The U.S. Congress makes nonauthoritive statements (i.e., S.R. 511) all the time.
Donofrio, takes up the “by what authority??!?” cry, only he claims Fukino’s statement was in response to his prior posting accusing Obama of false swearing. (Post hoc ergo propter hoc much?)
Donofrio also asks, Where do we place the plaque?” (to memorialize Obama’s birthplace). Donofrio seems only to be kidding, but his rant is too close to the usual birfer trope.
And yet he thought it was a great idea for Donofrio and Berg and Keyes to bring lawsuits against the various secretaries of state in Philadelphia, New Jersey, and California – in order to compel them to make such a determination.
He’s also an avid supporter of state laws requiring proof of eligibility of Presidential candidates to run.
Donofrio comes out at select times and stokes/strokes the faithful. He’s lost the passion/interest in actively supporting the cause, but he seems to like revving them up now and then. Maybe he likes it when ” Well, Leo is now saying…” gets passed around the internet.
“No, it has not been a good week to be an Obama eligibility denialist.”
I’m not so sure. WND has been investigating and is starting to find holes.
WND investigative skills are legendary. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, it’s WND.
This issue will never die.
Obama will be made to release his Vault Copy BC.
Obama will never be left alone until he does.
Congressman and Senators will never be left alone alone.
Obama, Congressman and Senators will be continued to heckled over this issue until Obama releases his Vault Copy BC.
I encourage everyone to bring this issue up at every opportunity especially at Town Hall meetings.
I know that if I attend a townhall meeting of congressman and senator, it is my intention to bring this issue vigoursly.
Sorry John. The Republican grown ups have their out now thanks to Dr Fukino. They can say the State of Hawaii has verified Pres Obama was born in Hawaii. That’s what you’ll hear at the next town hall meeting where someone brings it up. If you argue, you’ll look silly because all you can say in disagreement is “The state of Hawaii is lying!” You’ll sound crazier than Crazy Eileen. The birth certificate issue is dead. You weren’t going to accept the birth certificate anyway so what’s it to you? Weren’t you going to just go to the next item on your list if the original was ever displayed?
Make sure you wear a red shirt and carry your birth certificate (original vault version only, please – no copies!) in a plastic bag. Also, adding a prefix to your name may be appropriate – may I suggest Centurion of Registration for American Zealot Yodelers.
Question? – What is the most treasured and protected document in our US Government today?
Is it the Constitution? Is it the Declaration of Independence?
No! It is neither of these.
Answer – Obama’s Vault Copy Birth Certificate in the most treasured and protected document in our US government today.
And lest you forget John, WND is on the record as finding Barack Obama’s COLB to be authentic:
“A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
That was back when it was a Democrat, Berg, challenging Barack Obama. It was great fun for WND to discredit a Democrat. Not so much when the right wing took up the cry. WND is not a news organization. It is a front for rich neocons to stoke the base and make money.
Good point. I couldn’t figure out what the baggie was about until someone pointed out that some people think what they have is the original. I remember when I left the nest, my Mother gave me a copy of mine, and said to put it somewhere safe and don’t lose it. She seemed to think it would be difficult to get another copy. But she knew it wasn’t the original. I asked her about it the other day and she said that she knew even in the early 80s I’d never get one like it if I lost it – the typewritten on the card copy.
Thanks to WND, Dr. Fukino’s statement only raises more questions.
Obama! Where’s the Birth Certificate?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105280
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105262
John she said he was born in Hawaii. WND can say whatever it wants. Their response was very predictable. Do you know why they do it? To make money. Have you been asked to give money at this site? No. John they are in this to get your money out of your pocket and into theirs. I have read WND. No news except that you are gullible enough to believe them.
WND is on record as saying Pres Obama’s COLB is authentic. They have never taken it back or equivicated, they just buried it.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
“A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”
Hey John, what about when WND stated the following…
“A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
That was a result of a WND investigation and they did find holes, in the birther theory that the COLB was fake.
Joseph Farah himself says the following…
“Yes, it is true that I do not believe that document to be a forgery and WND has reported that.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=104163
And even the western center for journalism, the company that owns WND says the following…
“In discussing the Certification of Live Birth that the Obama campaign claims was posted on the web, Orly Taitz also asserts that “Hawaii has statute 338 that allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates.” What she is referring to here is the 1982 amendment of the vital records law. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, state policies and procedures could accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an original birth certificate on record. But though Act 182 does provide children born out of state with a birth certificate it does not provide them with birth certificates that say that these children were born in Hawaii or at a specific location in Hawaii. Consequently these birth certificates cannot engender Certifications of Live Birth which state that the subject was born in Honolulu, as the purported Obama Certification of Live Birth does. So if the Obama Certification of Live Birth was not forged, it could not have been engendered by an Act 182-authorized birth certificate for “children born out of state”. And if it was forged, the false information on it was not based on anything that could be on an Act-182 authorized birth certificate. So Orly Taitz’ assertion that “Hawaii has statute 338 that allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates” is irrelevant.”
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2686
So basically your heros at WND have already finished their investigation and exposed the birthers for what they are, fools. WND is basically conning your birthers into thinking that they are doing something because they want you to continue contributing your money to the billboard and email campaigns. Other than that you better chance of Orly winning a case than WND coming up with any real evidence against President Obama.
When I read that, I laughed out loud. And then I went, “Oh. That’s John. He was being serious.”
And I laughed again.
Kimba, John won’t respond to any of us regarding the fact that WND and Farah himself has authenticated the COLB and believes that it is not a forgery. You see he can’t. If he does accept that, then he has to accept the fact that he has been conned and there is no really issue, and that the birthers are being exposed for what they are, a fringe movement. He is no different that JTX when you ask him to cite laws to support his strong belief in the BNA. They make a statement, it is refuted with facts, and they ignore your response and make the same statement again. I guess they think that if you repeat something enough times, people may think that it is true.
By that standard, so is mine.
WND’s investigative skills are ‘Legendary’????
Is this the same WND that said, last year, that President (Then candidate)Obama’s COLB was legit? If so, how can it now not be legit? Farah, Corsi, et al, are snake oil salesmen, lower on the food chain than even Drudge.
That WND story was also published about the time that McCain/Palin were still enjoying their post-convention bounce in the polls… which many loyal Republicans and conservatives felt would carry the ticket to victory in November.
Where’s the Birth Certificate?
In Hawaii.
Next question.
Good point. See markcon over on the birther bubble thread. Same thing.
ba-dump-bump ( that’s one of misha’s rimshots for your little ha-ha)
The REAL question is where has NBC been?
“I guess they think that if you repeat something enough times, people may think that it is true.”
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will begin to belive it. Joseph Goebbels
In Honolulu, helping Obama cover his tracks.
Didn’t GWB say the same thing – “If you repeat the propaganda enough, it will become the truth.” (or something like that..)
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will begin to belive it. Joseph Goebbels
Ironically, there’s no proof Goebbels actually said that.
“Ironically, there’s no proof Goebbels actually said that.”
Whoops. How about this: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
What is the most treasured and protected document in our US Government today? This is.
He probably is with Bob Weber, highest paid Obot!
Misha sez he gets more, but won’t reveal the terms of his contract. Plus he gets discounts at all the Jewish-owned stores.
[:^)
The birfers have become a full-fledged cult, and I’m not sure they’ll ever go away. As in all cults, contrary evidence is just proof of the vastness of the conspiracy.
Example: In the early stages of the cult, one of their arguments was “Why hasn’t anyone produced a birth listing from the Hawaii newspapers?” When a PUMA dug up the birth listings and posted them to the internet (so there IS at least one birfer with some integrity, after all!) it just became more proof of the conspiracy: the listings were planted by Granny Dunham in 1961, or the microfilm is a fake, blah, blah, blah.
Ironic to see this backfiring on the GOP. Like it or not, they’re stuck with the birfers. I don’t think they can do anything to quiet them. But they were encouraging the fever swamps for years.
Consider Ann Coulter and her books like “Treason”. She actually devoted 1/3 of one of her books to promoting evolution denial. I’m sure she didn’t believe 1/2 of what she wrote in her books, but the people she encouraged are now trashing her for not being a birfer.
I forgot to mention that there are so many comment threads on FreeRepublic that is impossible to follow them now. Something like 200 active threads yesterday. As previously noted, much of the “commentary” is disjointed copy-and-paste jobs with no hint of logical argumentation. Also as previously mentioned, I’ve seen my own writing copied-and-pasted into the middle of these “comments”. There was one yesterday. Either they don’t even read the stuff they’re pasting, or their reading comprehension skills are at 3rd grade level. Probably both.
Yes, we’re issued a card which states
The International Jewish Conspiracy™
We get discounts on a bris, lox, bagels, and if necessary, a kidney. (bada-bing)
HA! Misha knows all the right people.
Bob:
Try reading, Bob, rather than misstating something you’ve apparently not read – or don’t comprehend.
The Kerchner case states that Obama has never conclusively proved that he is eligible to hold the office he occupies. That statement is factually correct and no reputable authority has even shown otherwise. And that certainly includes all the Flying Monkeys on this blog.
As for Fukino’s misdirected statement it is actually printed as “natural-born citizen” rather than a non-hyphenated term which is the term of art used in the Constitution. Those are different things. In addition she uses a rather odd term “Vital Records” if I recall which could of course be the known fraudulent COLB.
I’m willing to wait for the court ordered discovery to find out. Obama may not be. Perhaps he’ll just resign and move to Kenya with his folks rather than have his “embarrassing” secret become public :-).
kimba:
Fukino has said nothing meaningful since it is the court system that decides the eligibility issue under the Constitutional provisions – not some minor HI functionary no matter how carefully she parses her words.
Why don’t you send the following letter to YOUR Congressmen:
“During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?
Please respond in writing over your signature.”
Be sure to post, verbatim, your responses here.
kimba:
And apparently WND has learned and revised their belief which is a sign of educated investigation.
The Flying Monkeys, OTOH, still stick to their same old nonsense.
Try reading, Bob, rather than misstating something you’ve apparently not read – or don’t comprehend.
Coming from you, the irony is great, indeed.
The Kerchner case states that Obama has never conclusively proved that he is eligible to hold the office he occupies.
AGAIN: And what law requires Obama to demonstrate such eligibility?
That statement is factually correct and no reputable authority has even shown otherwise.
It would appear Obama has “conclusively” proved it to millions of people.
As for Fukino’s misdirected statement it is actually printed as “natural-born citizen” rather than a non-hyphenated term which is the term of art used in the Constitution.
She also didn’t capitalize the “c” in “citizen.” Squint harder!! You can almost read her secret message!!!!
In addition she uses a rather odd term “Vital Records”
Are you more of an expert in vital records that the Hawaii’s Director of its Department of Health?
if I recall which could of course be the known fraudulent COLB.
No evidence it is fraudulent.
I’m willing to wait for the court ordered discovery to find out.
Get comfy; you’ll be waiting a looooong time.
Perhaps he’ll just resign and move to Kenya with his folks rather than have his “embarrassing” secret become public.
Or perhaps he’ll declare his birthday “Free Doughnuts for Everyone Day!”
Black Lion:
And you – as is your wont – completely (and conveniently) miss the real point which is that Obama has never shown to any definitive authories that he is qualified to hold the office he now occupies.
All we hear is a bunch of nattering and personal insults from you in the Flying Monkey Squadron.
Why don’t you send the following letter to YOUR Congressmen:
Why don’t you? Can’t spare the 43 cents?
that Obama has never shown to any definitive authories that he is qualified to hold the office he now occupies.
Who are these “definitive authorities”? What law governs their authority?
Mary Brown:
Birth certificate(s) are merely one item in the fact finding process. Necessary but not sufficient.
The issue has always been … and still is … is the man legally eligible to hold the office he now occupies??
We’ll find out before long I suspect.
Why would I send such a letter to my Congressman? I have no doubt Barack Obama is a natural born citizen. Neither does she. Nor do most Americans. Most importantly, none of your Republican leadership doubts it either.
Black Lion:
Read my pips … the BC is not the issue but it (or they since there are quite possibly altered or amended or supplemental versions) will at some point be disgorged by HI under court order as one of the facts in the findings of fact leading to a legal determination of whether the man is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.
Revised their belief? What a bunch of happy monkey sh!t. On the contrary, WND never retracted or revised finding Barack Obama’s COLB to be authentic. They just hid the original story and pretend it doesn’t exist.
Delusions don’t count!
Has the Goebbels quote ever been sourced?
And, jtx, you have yet to show me the law that shows that U.S. Citizenship law cares one bit about what the British Nationality Act says.
You have yet to show me one court case that the opinion of the court says that.
So, my question, is why are you giving veto power to Great Britian over who Americans choose to be President?
Yes he is.
Nothing new here.
Haha…
Unlikely.
Senate also says Obama born in Hawaii.
Bob:
The law is the US COnstitution, q.v.
Obama has NEVER proved conclusively that he is eligible under the Constitution – nor has anyone else.
You’re right the “c” wasn’t capitalized but it’s the hyphenation that makes the term different more that the lower case but it’s perceptive of you to also realize that whe actually made 2 distinctions. Mow, are you going to claim that she’s the one who gets to determine eligibility under our law???
There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus 0 you Obamatrons just won’t admit it. But as I’ve frequently said and as the National Review has now opined, almost all he’s told about himself is full of lies – the real issue is the man’s eligibility to hold the office he now occupies.
The discovery process shouldn’t take too long despite the expected foot-dragging and stalling. Then we can get onto the law of the matter … and what to do about it.
Bob:
I did and so have others. Why don’t you also??
kimba:
Why do you on this blog persist in calling Obama a liar – he told you that at birth he was governed by the BNA of 1948.
Surely you can spell BRIT???
You’re talking to the wrong guy – it was your own hero who told you that.
How is it that he was born a British Citizen and now, suddenly, morphed into a natural born citizen – especially when he says daddy was a furriner? Are you calling him a liar?? Guess so.
JTX, I don’t care if he was born a British Citizen, or if he was born a citizen of Krypton, or Mesopotania. That is all not relevant, since British Nationality Law does not trump anything in U.S. Law.
So, please show me where we care what the British Nationality Act says, jtx. You have yet to do this. The British Nationality Act is a bit like saying, “It can’t be this hot. It’s only 30 in Africa.” when discussing the temperature here.
The British Nationality Act is not relevant to whether or not Barack Obama is a Natural-Born Citizen.
You mean the evidence submitted by Dr. Ron Pollard, who has no forensic document examining experience? You mean TechDude, that no birther will stand by? Please show me this evidence. The only statement by an expert who’s actually an expert is one that says that she can’t make a determination as to whether or not it’s authentic without observing the original document. Please show me this so-called evidence.
Now, on the other side, we have the entire State of Hawaii Department of Health saying “it’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.” Not to mention the Director who stated, “…Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and is a Natural-Born American citizen.”
Yeah, I’m going to go with the fake experts over the experts who verify that he was born in Hawaii.
Darn, jtx. You had that quote right a couple of time and now you went right back to the same false citation again. I am really so disappointed.
Actually, Obama proved his eligibility to be president when he presented his birth certificate in June of 2008.
There is NO credible evidence. Furthermore the validity of the COLB has been verified.
Denial…. What else is there left for my pal
Still misquoting I notice
He did not say that He was governed but rather that His Status was governed.
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Still misrepresenting the facts I notice
His status was governed by British Law which of course is of no relevance to US law which states that anyone born on US soil, regardless of the nationality of the parents is natural born. The with allegiance to is equivalent to jus soli. Birth and allegiance go hand in hand.
Seems that some are confused about the term allegiance.
That Obama at birth had dual allegiance is of no relevance since that was a temporary burden he could chose to shake loose once reaching the age of majority when he could continue his natural born birthright.
It’s really that simple and the law backs me up. You may give that try as well.
The law is the US COnstitution, q.v.
Please be more specific. What part of the Constitution requires Obama to demonstrate his eligibility?
Obama has NEVER proved conclusively that he is eligible under the Constitution
Never proved it conclusively…to you.
You’re right the “c” wasn’t capitalized but it’s the hyphenation that makes the term different more that the lower case but it’s perceptive of you to also realize that whe actually made 2 distinctions.
Distinctions that have no legal significance.
Mow, are you going to claim that she’s the one who gets to determine eligibility under our law???
Funny, Donofrio’s suit was the claim the Secretary of State could determine elibility, when no law says so. So you were for extralegal determinations before you were against them?
There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus
If there’s plenty of it, it should be no problem for you to actually cite it.
The discovery process shouldn’t take too long despite the expected foot-dragging and stalling.
The discovery process in which case?
Because I have no doubt Obama is eligible.
Just thinking, jtx’s delusions probably encroach on other aspects of his life as well, can you imagine the misery he must be in, poor guy having so many crises to cope with. Gotta feel sorry for him! The eligibility issue has been over for many months, jtx needs another life, maybe he can buy some white sheets and join heavy the bigot.
richCares:
The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings … none of which are on this website.
It surely WAS nice of Larry to send a signed copy of his book with a very thoughtful inscription, though:
“The inscription will read as follows:
To Barack Obama,
Had you shown the Audacity to be honest in the Fall of 2007 your people would not have had to murder Donald Young to save you, and your wife would not have had to face the public knowing you “pitch and catch” with men. You are the one who has brought shame and embarrassment on your family, not I. The TRUTH is right here in these pages and you and Michelle know it. Soon so will all the world for History sake.
Happy 48th Birthday.
Larry Sinclair”
What a sweet guy don’t you think? Maybe he’ll be invited to the W. H. Beer Emporium for a big cool one??
The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings
SURE!
The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings
Which court? Which case?
To borrow a line from Network, what kinda shit you talkin’?
Thanks for the laugh. At least you know that there is someone who’s more insane than you, jtx.
JTX appeals to Larry Sinclair. Figures.
Unlikely given the US Constitution. Perhaps JTX has no use for it?
The
Citizen Grand Juriesbookclubs have no use for the Constitution – it gets in the way of mob rule.