I refer to the curious case of The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri et al v. Obama et al that was sealed by the court. The defendant, Pastor Martin L. D. Lindstedt of the aforementioned church, published the complaint1 [warning: racist material] himself, but the court documents themselves remain unavailable. The central theme of the case seems to be that it is against the plaintiff’s religion for a [black man] to be president. While still sealed, I can tell from the docket that the case has now been dismissed by these brief notations:
ORDER granting [3] motion to dismiss; granting [9] motion to dismiss. Signed by District Judge Howard F. Sachs on 06/17/09. (Duer, Tina) Copy mailed to The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri,Pastor Martin Luther Lindstedt Newton County White Nationalist – Socialist Libertarian Party [address redacted] (McDowell, Shelly).
and
ORDER denying [12] motion to amend/correct; except that plaintiff may, within 30 days of this date, file an amended complaint in short and plain language, asserting the unconstitutionality of Sec. 115.355. RSMo. Signed by District Judge Howard F. Sachs on 8/4/2009. (McIlvain, Kelly)
One can also infer quite a bit about the order to dismiss from Lindstedt’s self-published counter motion, for example:
This judge Sachs quotes Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly, 127 S.Ct. (2007) and a slew of newer cases claiming that Rule 8, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, is violated by “overly long and rambling” complaints, including “allegations that are not part of the same transactions or series of transactions that do not share common questions of law and fact between the several defendants.”
While there remains a possibility of the motion allowed in [12], I’m going to mark this one “dismissed” on the Obama Conspiracy Theories Docket. The Missouri statute in question deals with Pastor Lindstedt’s ability to run for office himself, and not with Barack Obama.
Also thanks to Bob for the note that Hamblin v. Obama has also been dismissed.
1In understanding the complaint, keep in mind that in Christian Identity, the Aryans are the true descendants of the Biblical Israelites and the folks occupying Israel are not really Jews.
asserting the unconstitutionality of Sec. 115.355. RSMo
Missouri Revised Statute, Chapter 115 deals with election authorities and conduct of elections. So it sounds like it was a Donofrio v. Wells/Keyes v. Bowen type of challenge.
The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri are, of course, white supremacists.
Lindstedt wrote:
Lindstedt (a perennial candidate) was not able to file for office because he was in prison, and not able to personally appear. This is what I have been able to piece together.
From their church’s teachings:
“Jews are considered a race of devils born from Eve and Satan, and the church believes that they were placed on earth to do his bidding.”
That is exactly correct. I am a proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy.™ In fact, my middle name is Mephisto. bwahahahahaha
From the copy of the complaint that Linstedt posted (at the link in your original post):
“B. Defendant, u$ Senator Barack Hussein Obama is ’employed’ as a professional politician whom the extremely idiotic whiggers of Illinois selected to be their u$ Senator and who the even more idiotic ZOGland whigger ass-clowns, sundry muds and jew cruds are about to (s)elect as president of the u$/ZOG/Babylon as the Democratic Party nominee, but NOT if Plaintiffs have anything to say about it. This Genesis 1:24-25 and 2:19 Sixth-Day mamzer-Beast of the Field has been tracked to its lair at: 713 Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510.”
I never knew “whigger” and “ass-clowns” were now part of the official legal lexicon. Trying to read through that think, I kept veering from wanting to laugh to wanting to vomit.
After a very brief tour of some white supremacist sites, it appears Lindstedt originally was charged with molesting his grandson, declared incompetent to stand trial, and then institutionalized for 3.5 years. The criminal charges were eventually dropped.
I found Lindstedt’s lawsuit hilarious throughout. I just can’t take it seriously enough, I guess, to get disgusted.
Thanks Dr. C. I wanted to vomit, but on re-read it is such insane stuff, its sad that pointy things are allowed in Lindstedt’s hands, might hurt himself.
Oh, down side, he might hurt a bunch of people.
What is truly scary, is that this Aryan clown, writes better than Orly does. “Orly Taitz, only half the lawyer of an imprisoned white supremacist.”
Really Doc this is just another example of you leftists trying to make perfectly reasonable patriots out to be racists.
Did Dr. Conspiracy force the perfectly reasonable patriot Lindstedt to file this suit? Is this suit not noteworthy?
I find their ideas fascinating. Where can I subscribe to their newsletter? (/snark)
This doesn’t surprise me. Look at the a comment from someone over at tROSL…
mike says:
August 15, 2009 at 1:12 pm
His mother was an underage whore, the sperm doner was maybe a Kenyan, we arn’t really sure who the doner was.
Barry is at best a naturalized citizen (if born in Hawaii) but most likely an illegal allien (if born in Kenya)
Congrats America we have our first son of a whore non-natural citizen as a usurper.
Yes we can!
Unbelievable…They hate the President of the US so much that they would make such comments about his mother….It is like Kimba has said on numerous occasions…It is somewhat about race…
There’s plenty worse at free republic!
Sickening!
Did Orly Taitz have two abortions when she lived in the Soviet Union?
She has never denied it, and I was never given an opportunity to look at her medical records.
I’m guessing this case was sealed due to the allegations about the grandson.
But of course.
I think your sarcasm detector may need to be recalibrated.
“His mother was an underage whore, the sperm doner was maybe a Kenyan, we arn’t really sure who the doner was.”
If only Ann Durham had received the sort of traditional upbringing Sarah Palin gave her children,
Perhaps; but you have read some of the other comments on this site?
OT misha, but I notice that Orly is now extremely disappointed in Avigdor Liberman. I guess he’s far too left, and may even be part of the conspiracy:
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=2158
Lieberman used to work as a bouncer. I think being hit on the head too many times finally affected him.
If Lieberman finished high school in Moldova, it was a major accomplishment. What has happened to us? We’re better than what those two represent.
“If only Ann Durham had received the sort of traditional upbringing Sarah Palin gave her children,”
How to become preggers in five easy steps, and pray to Jesus at the same time.
Because Obama was born with dual citizenship and allegience he cannot possibly be a “Natural Born” citizen. Andrea Shea King had a guest on a week ago to discuss “Natural Born” citizenship. The guest explained the dangers of a person being born with dual citizenship and allegiances. The guest explained that he knew of a man named Ted who was born in the US to a US Citizen and to a German Citizen (His mother). When Ted was 18, he entered the US Army and was stationed in Germany. Germany became aware of this and tried to draft him because they considered him a citizen since he inherited from his mother. Ted had to go Germany and renounce his German citizenship to prevent from being drafted.
Since Obama was citizen of Kenya by decent through his father, suppose Obama went into the army and was stationed in Kenya. And suppose Kenya wanted to draft Obama. In theory, they could because Obama was also citizen of Kenya. This would mean Obama would have had to directly renounce his citizenship.
A person who is truly a “Natural Born” citizen would not have this problem because he was born on US soil to 2 US citizens. No other nation in the world could make a legal claim on him or her.
John…
1. Obama does not have Kenyan Citizenship now. The only citizenship that Obama has now is U.S. Citizenship. Are you saying that because someone had Kenyan Citizenship 30 years ago when they were a minor, that Kenya has any sort of jurisdiction over them?
2. By the way, there are nations that recognize dual citizenship through linage. That means that if someone is a U.S. Citizen, but was born to an Itilian Citizen, they are Itilian Citizens as well, for life. When they have children, their kids will be Itilian Citizens for life. So, your 2-citizen theory doesn’t even deal with these issues.
3. Show me the exact law that defines “Natural Born” the way that you say it is. Show me one case that uses Vattel in the Majority Opinion to define it. Show me one case that discusses the difference between Citizenship at Birth and “Natural Born Citizenship”. So far, I haven’t been able to find one.
John, you are entitled to your opinion, but where is your evidence that US law is anything like this? As for hypothetical Kenyan army comment, Obama is no longer a citizen of Kenya or any place other than the United States. Kenya does not permit dual citizenship for adults, so when he became an adult and did not renounce his US citizenship and swear allegiance to Kenya, the legal fiction of his Kenyan citizenship evaporated.
These are basic things you should know if you are going to dispute on this topic.
Still, a person born at birth as a dual citizen (dual ntional) who claims to be a “Natural Born” citizen does lead to extra level of problem complexity regarding their citizenship. Since that person has citizenship in another country, a host of problems could potentially occur should that person visit that country and the country decided to exert citizenship claims on that person.
A person who a true “Natural Born” citizen does not have any of these problems since he is born on US Soil to 2 US citizens. No other country in the world can exert any type of citizenship claim and juritication on that person.
I think is reasonable to conclude that the founding fathers in mandating a person be a “Natural Born” citizen was with the intent to avoid such problems especially a person who is the POTUS.
No, the purpose of the natural born citizen clause is to provide “attachment to the country” according to the only Framer whose explanation we have (Senator Pinckney). It was to exclude “foreigners”, and specifically adult European royals from coming to the US, being naturalized, and getting the US entangled in European wars (which we got entangled in anyway).
The Constitution only recognizes two kinds of citizen: natural born and naturalized. Natural born citizen simply means born a citizen (and at the time the Constitution, that meant being born in the country for the most part, although later Congress extended citizenship to those born overseas to US citizens, who also became natural born citizens (Immigration Act of 1790 actually uses those words).
Natural born citizen cannot be defined as any particular qualification because the qualifications changed between 1787 and 1790. Definitions don’t change like that. However, who was born a citizen changed.
Check out my article:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/natural-born-citizen-clarified/
Key Point from Wonk Kim Ark SCOTUS decision:
Dissenting Fuller:
“Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen” applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.”
We know that Wong Kim Ark was not the POTUS or attempting to qualify for the POTUS.
However, Fuller makes references to critical key point:
“…were eligible to the Presidency…”
This is only citizenship case that I have seen where a judge made the connection between “Natural Born” citizenship and the eligiblity to be the POTUS.
And according to him, it is doubtful that a person born to foreigners in the US would be eligible to be the POTUS.
It is interesting that Fuller seems to prepuate the doubt echoed in MINOR V. HAPPERSETT:
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
By the way, John, that paragraph wasn’t actually discussing Natural-Born Citizenship in the way that you think.
And notice how Minor says, “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar”. That means that even Happersett was saying that the definition was based upon Common Law. de Vattel is not Common Law. Common Law usually refers to English Common Law. Blackstone defined this for English Common Law.
And according to him, it is doubtful that a person born to foreigners in the US would be eligible to be the POTUS.
No one is disputing that is what Justice Fuller believes.
Justice Fuller also was in the minority, so his opinion has no force of law.
Orly Taitz has dual US/Israel citizenship, and so do her children, through her. What would Orly do if Israel demanded to draft her three children?
Would she agree? I think this should be investigated. What is Orly’s maiden name? What is she hiding about her past?
When she is in Israel without her husband, does she have liasons with younger men?
What is her ultimate game?
Thats what I heard, but in attempt of aborting one was born alive and she gave it up for adoption to some woman named Dunham
“A person who a true “Natural Born” citizen does not have any of these problems since he is born on US Soil to 2 US citizens.”
That’s not true, John. There are several countries that consider one a citizen regardless of any attempt by your parents to naturalize in another country.
So, there will be cases of people born to two US citizens who have dual nationality.
Look at the flip-side, John. Chief Justice Fuller, who LOST this argument, truly believed that if the majority opinion (the one that WON) were given its full meaning, that children of foreigners who happened to be passing through the country WOULD be eligible to be president.
That’s why he dissented!
The section cited from Minor (reference de Vattel, no doubt) is in the context of analysis of the state of law prior to the 14th amendment. Obviously there remains no doubt today that citizens at their birth “include … children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.”
It is clear that Fuller (like de Vattel) considers Native and Natural born equivalent, and likely that he thought that both described those who were citizens at birth. Just read what he says. I can hack the comment and get this:
I don’t think Fuller would have objected with the ellipsis. Then apply the 14th amendment, and the decision of the Supreme Court in US V. Wong, and Barack Obama solidly became a citizen upon his birth, and is therefore a natural born citizen.
Actually, several cases make this connection, the most notable being Lynch v Clarke.
So Obama is actually Jewish. Interesting twist. I think you should publicize this. It will help him with Jewish voters, especially Israelis.
Thanks for the tip.
John, it’s no use. They will bury you in bullshit. That’s what liberals do. In the absence of truth, just keep flapping your gums!
These sick individuals are not the only ones that are now using religion in order to justify their hatred and dislike and justification of trying to remove the president….From Phil over at tROSL…
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref08
http://silverstockreport.com/2009/obama-citizen.html
“Deuteronomy 17:15 “be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite.”
“Our Constitutional requirement may have come from the Bible! I was unaware of that before making my offer.”
Of course the author has an issue with the government, which may be his motivation…
“Mr. Hommel goes on through the balance of his posting describing why he seriously questions the American Judiciary after he filed an appeal concerning his attempt to get a job without using his Social Security number (which, if I recall correctly, the law stipulates that only federal, State or local governments can require a citizen to furnish such a number for record keeping purposes).”
This article is actually amusing. Some stock guy stating he knows about constitutional eligibility. Of course he sources WND. It is amazing who the birthers will look to in order to find individuals that will support their views and beliefs.
With that crowd, you’re going to win some people if you can attach a chapter and verse to your argument. There will be some number of ignorant, bible thumpers who say to themselves ” mm, uh hmmmm, there it is, right thar in the bible, Deuteronomy no less, that says Obama’s a foreigner and he has to go.” These people know the audience they’re playing to: dumb, southern, racist, bible thumpers.
“These people know the audience they’re playing to: dumb, southern, racist, bible thumpers.”
Careful, kimba, your own bias is showing.
Bias. Meh! Fact. Go back to the Research 2000/ Daily Kos poll: The majority of birthers are white, southern and unable to answer correctly a 2nd grade science question.
http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/obama-birth-poll-shows-striking-regional-divide/
Heavy: “They will bury you in bullshit.”
I installed a pipeline from WorldNetDaily.
“Unbelievable…They hate the President of the US so much that they would make such comments about his mother….It is like Kimba has said on numerous occasions…It is somewhat about race…”
Not surprising. Internet Outhouse and Anti-semite Andy Martin made simular claims about Stanley Ann Dunham, as does the crazy racist “Lame Cherry”
I suspect many of them consider Ms. Dunham a “race traitor”
I know Pat, but it is still a disgusting display by these people who like to claim that it is not about race…When we all know that is a major factor…
An interesting article from WND, the so called news group that last year authenticated the President’s COLB….
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:HPBNGZ-sc4cJ:www.wnd.com/index.php%3FpageId%3D73214+http://www.wnd.com/index.php%3Ffa%3DPAGE.view%26pageId%3D73214&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
In it the following exerpt appears…
“There’s nothing that I’m aware of that says you have to have two American parents,” said the executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, Gary Kreep, whose lawsuit alleges Obama was born in Africa and thus is constitutionally ineligible. “My understanding of it is if you’re born in the United States, you’re a natural born citizen, period.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105904
Also in the article WND makes the following statement…
“arguments over just exactly what is a natural born’ citizen” and that “a consensus on the correct definition of natural born citizen’ has eluded lawyers and scholars for more than 200 years.”
So in other words Kreep doesn’t believe in the 2 citizen parental requirement regarding natural born citizen and that there is no consensus definition on what exactly is a “natural born citizen”. Interesting…
Blackie, get over yourself, man! You crazy race baiters are SO insignificant. The occupation of the White House (How racist is that!) by THE ONE is the ultimate act of affirmative action. Now Jesse and Al have noting to complain about.
You guys just keep winding yuorselves up about this racism fantasy and we’ll clean up this mess.
Kimba, what is a Bible Thumper? Definition please. Not everyone who reads and relys on scripture is dumb.
A bible thumper is someone who aggressively pushes their Christian beliefs at others who may or may not share them. To me, they are the people who somehow pull scriptures out of the air to apply to any situation as either showing that “see, God doesn’t want that”, “The Bible predicted this.” As opposed to someone who reads scriptures for guidance. Your posts here are always kind and thoughtful. I wasn’t including you in that. I’m sorry.
So Heavy you must agree with the opinion of the individual that filed that ridiculous lawsuit. If that is not racist then you need to redefine it for me. You called us all “race baiters”? Can you give us some examples, or are you as usual speaking out of your rear orafice…
So President Obama is in the White House is a result of affirmative action…You make no sense. A majority of the voters voted for the President. You an your xenaphobic buddies cannot get that through your petty little minds…No matter how much you sit at home and dream about “removing the President”, it will never happen. He will be President until 2013, and hopefully until 2017.
Touché
I believe the term “Bible thumper’ alludes to the aggressiveness of style and not intelligence. The image is of the old revival preacher pounding his Bible on the pulpit (while telling the congregation that they are going to hell).
This way folks:
http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/03/first-dog-on-the-moon-370/
I’m confused: How old is Obama?
Let’s see the COLB says he was born in 1961 – making him…..oh, 48 years old.
Then why does his Facbook page state he is 52? So was he born in 1961 or 1957?
http://www.myspace.com/barackobama
More questions than answers……
Opps…meant MySpace, not Facebook. 🙂
Clearly it’s because the same people who masterminded a nefarious 48-year (oops, 52!) conspiracy subsuming thousands of officials in Hawaii, Kenya, and DC that was hatched by Malcolm X and commie pedophile Frank Marshall Davis to disguise Davis’ 1950s affair with Toot and install a Manchurian Islamo-marxist as president in 2009 accidentally slipped up and missed it when Obama put in his true birthdate on his MySpace page, which is where he hangs out online every night secretly chatting with Osama and Ahmadinejad.
You think a date on an internet social network trumps a legal document? Please tell me your new meme isn’t ” It says it on MySpace.” Give me a break. You folks really are grasping at straws now. No, really, Orly needs to take that to Judge Carter. Oh yeah, there’s some admissible evidence right there on the MySpace page. Hilarious.
(sarcasm) Because MySpace trumps the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health and Vital Statistics?? (/sarcasm)
Oh, I’m sure Bristol was saying “Oh God” at some point in the process.
Sally, there are WND articles that talk about his mother’s time in Washington State shortly after his birth. A friend describes seeing the baby and WND even names a baby sitter who took care of him when he was 7 months old and his mom was in night school there. Don’t believe me go there. It is interesting to me that the same publication that has these articles is now talking about the age difference.
Well we know that the birthers are a multi-front group. Our friends over at WND are pushing the President Obama is the antichrist theory. Again trying to interject religion into the debate. For the many true religious people out there, these attempts by WND are reprehensible….Will it ever end? See below…
“This latest attempt by WND to denigrate and dehumanize the president of the United States appears to have its genesis in a spam email circulating in early 2008 citing the Book of Revelation purportedly describing an Obama-like figure as the Antichrist.”
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndobamaantichrist.html