Wiley Drake
According to a report in the Associated Baptist Press, pastor Wiley Drake, one of the plaintiffs in the Barnett v. Obama lawsuit in California federal court, has stopped praying for Obama’s death. They wrote:
Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., issued a press release Nov. 19 calling for an end to “imprecatory prayer” — words of judgment from the Book of Psalms prayed back to God, directed toward Obama.
Drake said he is now “calling for all of God’s people and prayer warriors to cease the imprecatory prayer, and pray for Mr. Obama’s protection until he can be properly tried for treason.”
Imprecatory prayer is an attempt to invoke God to “curse” someone, akin to the voodoo doll or the Curse of the Pharaohs directed against Egyptian tomb robbers.
It appears that it was not the Christian principle of love of neighbor that motivated the change of heart in Pastor Drake, but rather the story from Hebrew scriptures of the “handwriting on the wall”. After being visited by the Department of Homeland Security, Pastor James D. Manning of New York did a 180-degree reversal in his calls for the death of Barack “the long legged mack daddy” Obama, and it appears that Drake got the message. Writes the Baptist Press:
Drake attributed his change of heart to “spiritual counsel” of James David Manning, pastor at ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York, contained in a 16 1/2-minute video recorded Nov. 18.
“I have asked men everywhere please do you no harm,” Manning said in remarks he addressed to “Barack Hussein the long-legged mack daddy Obama.” According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, “mack daddy” is slang for a slick womanizer or conspicuously successful pimp.
[I was a Baptist for many years, and I never heard of anyone praying for the harm of another human being. Drake represents Baptists no more than Obama denialists represent the country in general. Martin Luther included the following in a hymn he wrote: “Give to our Prince and all [political] authorities peace and good government that we under them may live a calm in quiet life in all blessedness and modesty.”]
To some extent, I don’t mind the praying. If it makes them feel better… It’s not very Christian though.
I do mind the suing, cluttering the courts, asking for donations, and the graft that likely goes with it, not mentioning the underhanded attempts to turn back the legal clock as it were (e.g. bedsheet Mario championing Dredd Scott).
I really get sick of these idiots throwing out the “Treason” word.
What is even more sickening is the billboard in WHEAT RIDGE, Colo. As least the racism in this billboard is obvious…This is what the birthers are about…
WHEAT RIDGE, Colo. – Call it Freedom of Speech. A billboard recently erected in Wheat Ridge compares President Barack Obama to a terrorist and questions his U.S. citizenship.
The billboard, located at 4855 Miller Road, shows two cartoonish images of Obama wearing a Muslim turban and reads “PRESIDENT or JIHAD?”
It also says “BIRTH CERTIFICATE – PROVE IT!” alluding to the conspiracy theory which claims Barack Obama was born in Kenya rather than Hawaii, which would disqualify him for the office of President.
The words “WAKE UP AMERICA! REMEMBER FT. HOOD!” appear on the bottom of the billboard.
The sign belongs to a car dealership. “Since Fort Hood, I’ve had it,” owner Phil West told FOX 31 News Friday. “You can’t suggest things. You can’t profile. You gotta call a spade a spade.” “Everything I have read about Mr. Obama points right to the fact that he is a Muslim. And that is the agenda of what Muslim is all about. It’s about anti-American, it’s about anti-Christianity,” West said.
“It’s out of control,” Sirota said. “This conservative hatred of Barack Obama is out of contol, and this brings together all those strands of it: the racism, the anti-Muslim fervor. It’s one thing to criticise the president on health care, or Wall Street reform, or immigration. But this is outrageous. And I think it’s a fair question to ask why these questions about religion and ancestry are being directed so viciously at the first African-American President of the United States.” While the ADL issued a statement calling the billboard an exploitation of the Ft. Hood shootings that is “divisive and offensive, and perpetuates hateful and harmful stereotypes about Muslims”, prominent conservatives have been silent thus far. “That could suggest that conservative leaders are afraid to confront the extreme fringe of their base,” Sirota said. “Or it suggests they actually condone this message. Either way, it’s disturbing.”
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-obama-billboard-112009,0,2612065.story
Couldn’t agree more.
I worry more that we are going to see another Oklahoma City event in the near future. Republican leaders need to grow a pair and deal with this head-on, else the blood that is shed will be on their hands as well. These groups and their related militias are nothing more than the American Taliban. All that they need for success is for everyone else to do nothing. Sometimes, tolerance has a limit.
The situation is becoming untenable…The hatred out there masked as “patriotism” or “protecting the Constitution” is coming to a boil. Someone is goin to get all of these wingnuts riled up to the point that they are going to try something stupid…
Like this from the infamous Lame Cherry and Orly’s site….
From Lame Cherry Blog….
Thursday, November 19, 2009
The following is the Constitutional Authority for the removal for Barack Hussein Obama as the check to political balance which has been neutralized by the Legislative and Judicial in failing to uphold the Constitution.
The Constitution actually lays out quite clearly a Madison gaping hole to override a corrupt government not adhering to the said Constitution.
Article 2, Section 1, begins the process in complete context:
In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
Officer in not being defined, does not preclude any legal American, which includes Officer of the United States Military, who are in effect, ever Citizen of the United States in being armed Citizens by the Second Amendment for recreation, pleasure, self defense and national defense.
Building upon this, Article 2, Congress and the American people enacted the 25th Amendment.
In section 4, the following Constitutional Law is triggered to remove a President or someone in the White House Executive.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Notice with special attention that the Amendment speaks of the principal officers of the executive, or such other body AS CONGRESS may declare by written declaration that the President is unable to discharge his duties.
To explain, the Amendment does not specify ONLY Congress, it simply gives example of the Executive or other government bodies such as Congress.
For the record, the United States military as in the armed militia citizenry or the standing military are bodies within the government of legal standing who can indeed upon meeting declare an occupant of the Oval Office unable to discharge such duties.
The meeting would in the military context, be one of Military Court Martial as set up by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
All that is necessary is a commanding officer, as in even a retired officer, such as are being represented by Orly Taitz, to assemble other officers, who would number 3 for a Military Tribunal to hear such charges in an investigation to court martial of an occupant of the White House, as the President is the Citizen, is the armed Citizen is the Second Amendment, is the US Military.
A President is further enabled as militarily biased in giving and receiving salutes, flying on Marine One, flying on Air Force One and having his own military compound of Camp David.
A President as Commander in Chief is not a civilian head of the Executive, but a quasi military officer who often as most Presidents even dress in military apparrel.
The case of Pvt. Joshua Fry is of particular importance of the court martial of Barack Hussein Obama, as Pvt. Fry was autistic and found to have pedophilia photos. Mr. Obama has been designated suffering from several psychopathies. His Roman holiday exposed a perverse nature involving teenage girls.
All of these events equal the removal of Pvt. Fry and Mr. Obama.
Mr. Obama’s criminal acts though are much deeper in his derilection of duty, his placing Americans in deliberate harm’s way in Nidal Hasan who worked for Mr. Obama and his policy in Afghanistan not allowing US Soldiers to fire unless fired upon first in a combat situation.
In addition, Mr. Obama has been utilizing the US military as a diplomatic assassin squad in murdering “bad” terrorists while befriending “good” terrorists.
A court martial on these events once enacted by any US officer, and assembled general court martial is not subject to Congress, the Executive, Judicial nor the Military as it is an entity of last resort. It is so proven as that by James Madison’s exact vague language and the vaggaries of the 25th Amendment which literally stipulate by not stipulating, as the 10th Amendment, that the US military reserves the right to court martial any sitting person of the Executive in it’s legal right of checks and balances.
The court martial is only 3 to 4 officers assembled, a prosecutor and a provided defense attorney for Mr. Obama.
Upon the evidence, the officers of the general court martial pass sentence from death, prison, to dishonorable discharge to bad conduct.
Once this legal Constitutional Court convicts Mr. Obama, he is immediately ineligable to occupy the White House and can be taken into custody without parole for immediate imprisonment in a military prison such as Fort Leavenworth.
Mr. Obama could not appeal to Congress nor the Courts, but only to the Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces. Only 20% of those cases though are reviewed per year.
Only if the Court of Appeals agrees may a case then be reviewed by the Supreme Court.
The entire Military Code of Justice was designed to keep political whims from supplanting justice, the code is therefore administered by officers and gentlemen.
The civilian legalites would prefer that only impeachment’ can remove an Executive, but the Constitutional Law opens up vast arenas of those Citizens representing bodies within the United States proper.
Mr. Obama could be removed by court martial and once that was accomplished, no orders he would give to the military would be no longer followed, and, by Constitutional Law a convicted criminal could no longer administer the Office of the President.
The legalites would claim this does not exist in the Constitution, but in fact it does as the brilliant fail safe of the Founders Inspired by God.
Even funnier are these delusions…Some of these people have been watching too much TV…The scary part is that almost a year into the President’s term the winguttery has not abated, but it seems to have grown in its intensity and hatred. The subtle racism and xenophobia is obvious as is the disrespect for the President and his family as well as the office of the President. And most disturbing of all is the GOP sitting on the side pretending to not support them but refusing to denounce them either….
From Orly’s site….
“Having read and listened to many bits and pieces of the Obama enigma, I have my own version of what may have brought us to this absurd point in American history. I am an aeronautical engineer, not a political scientist or historian, but I have enjoyed a career in the military aircraft business ( Convair & General Dynamics) during the height of the Cold War. Later, I worked closely with foreign military and industrial agencies in Europe and the Mid-East.
Anyone who thinks the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union is extremely niave or hasn’t been paying attention to the real world. We broke the Russians economically and reduced their military threat, but we did not change their attitude towards us as some people choose to believe—indeed, we gave them more incentive to do us harm.
During the height of the Cold War,1950’sthrough 1970’s, the Soviets spent large sums of money on many efforts to damage the US. There were short term efforts like arming the Cubans and more subtile, long term undertakings to undermine our way of life. I think we’re experiencing the results of latter now.
To create the perfect Manchurian Candidate, one would need to start very early and completely control the environment and make the background untraceable. Post-war Hawaii would be the ideal place from which to work. It was of mixed ethnic backgrounds, loosely governed, and a fertile area for communistic activities. The efforts of the US to bring the islands into statehood were not totally popular. Indeed, some of the land is not US-governed.
Hawaii would provide tha Where.
In order to obscure the background of the “chosen one”, what better way than to kidnap a baby and give him a set of chosen parents who would raise and train him in the desired manner. The Royal Lands of Hawaii provided the ideal source for the acquisition of a child in that it was a sovereign territory not under US authority and with minimal crime fighting resources. It would not be hard to find candidate “parents” in the progressive college group of young communists present in Hawaii at the time. It would be an honor to serve the cause—and there would be money involved, of course. Barack H. Obama and Sidney Dunham were almost perfect for the task—both were into the young people’s progressive movement and her father was well into the local Red element. They also met the requirement for a mixed marriage in that the Hawaiian baby was dark skinned.
Barack Obama Sr. and Sidney Dunham provided the Who.
This hypothesis would seem to answer some of the anomolies of the Obama episode that have surfaced thus far.
—Why did S A D look unpregnant in a photo on the beach shortly before the supposed birth,
—Why is there little or no documentation of the wedding–no guests, no family, no records,
— Why is the residence listed on COLB (filed but not registered) that of the Grandparents,
—Why did BHO Sr. maintain his own apartment after the marriage–there’s no address for the married couple,
—Why or how did S A D get registered in college in Washington state 15 days after the proclaimed date of birth.
The raising and indoctrination of a child would have been easy in Communistic environment of Hawaii. The Dunham grandparents had the political and financial connections ( Davis, the Ford Foundation, et al) to make the arrangement work.The Soviet connection was easy to maintain in Hawaii but Obama Sr. separated from his ” family” and went to Indonesia.Not too much later he died in an auto “accident”. That took care of any possible loose ends.
Sidney remarried and lived in Indonesia where Obama Jr.(now Soetoro) went to school as a Muslim. ThatIs not bad from the Soviet point of view. It would add to the obscuration of the evolving personage. Sidney worked in several banking/real estate scams in Indonesia and developed contacts with anumber of American leftist organizations. For whatever reason, it became desirable for her to drop out of the picture, so she “died” of cancer. No hospital records of treatment, no death certificate, just gone. There are several indications that she surfaced in Washington state under a variation of names—again, in the banking/real estate world. How odd.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Communist/Socialist activities in America had made considerable inroads in the Democratic Party, both locally and nationally. It was not difficult at all to insert a bright, well trained agent into local politics in an area where the groundwork had been laid by corruption and infiltrated labor/community organizations.
This long term effort provided the How.
In 2008, the American people, with the help of some “innovative” voting, did exactly what the Soviets had set in motion many years ago. There are a great many holes in the background of the illegal alien who occupies the White House, but thus far, no viable challenge has been raised.
Now is the time—-Let’s Roll !!!
R.P. Frye”
More sickening to me is this wingnut taking the “Lets Roll” phrase, used by one of the Flight 93 heros, to support his delusions…
I think I’m getting brain damage from reading crap like this.
I’ve been saying the same thing for over a year now. It is very disturbing and sickeningly telling that the GOP either says nothing or gives winks, nods and dog-whistles in support of these groups. I really fear that quite a few of them truly are hoping that a “lone nut” will do their dirty work for them. If something happens, they will definitely have blood on their hands.
let’s not forget, the soviets were master planners, and like all master planners, they kept a backup manchurian always ready on a parallel track, just in case the americans did the unexpected and actually pass up the opportunity to elect a biracial african american with a funny muslim name from a radical black liberation church.
so, for the perfect hedge, they would need to recruit a white christian all-american whose patriotism would never be questioned. nothing less than a decorated war hero could possibly fit the bill, so all that was necessary was a canvassing of the many available candidates languishing in the jungle prisons of its vietcong lackeys …
And of course that backup lackey would pick as his backup lackey someone who could see Russia from her house.
“I think I’m getting brain damage from reading crap like this.”
Just imagine what it would be like if the right wing nuts were in control, wall to wall hate throughout our country. Our motto would be “Hate your neighbor as you would hate a lib”. On second thought, this is way too much to imagine.
I have question, Doc. I keep reading that Obama is spending millions of dollars hiding records. Is there any “proof”? (I find it necessary anymore to put words like “proof” and “evidence” in quotes because I don’t think they mean what Orly thinks they mean). I have found none in my surfing.
while there is yet no available evidence that obama himself has yet had to part with a dime, whether personal or taxpayer-subsidized, the judgement against carol greenberg in her failed suit against ohio secretary of state jennifer brunner gives us a clue to how much it costs to defend against a typical birther case:
… give or take a million.
i find the praying to be far more insidious — these folks are giving their holy blessing to any and all comers who want to carry out the lord’s will.
that’s why the secret service and homeland security have already visited drake and manning but not to anyone’s knowledge taitz — and can anyone imagine orly keeping quiet about that?
It’s a little more expensive in California. In Keyes v Bowen the courts awarded the following (thanks to Nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com):
well that’s almost a million bucks right there!
… give or take $998,610.
Those number are a bit misleading because costs don’t include attorney fees.
That said, the good folks at Politijab did an analysis and concluded that Obama has retained private counsel in only three of the birther suits — Berg (PA Eastern District), Hollister, and Keyes (the California state case). In the other cases where Obama is or was a named defendant, the Federal government has provided attorneys. And Obama was not even a named defendant in many of the cases, so for those he would not have incurred any legal fees.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22707260/Birther-Case-List-0-56-As-Of-November-19-2009
Since January 1, 2007 the Obama campaign has paid its attorneys, Perkins Boie, a total of approximately $2.6 million in legal fees. Of course, most of that was for campaign-related work. I think it’s a safe guess that Obama has incurred, at most, legal fees in the low six figures for the birther lawsuits.
And let’s not forget the fact that in just about all of these dismissed cases, the judgment states that the defense gets to RECOVER their small defense costs from the accusers in these frivolous cases.
Therefore, factoring in recovery, it seems the only ones spending money and wasting time and effort in the courts are the frivolous filers themselves.
hard to say even that, since at least one of his lawyers told politico he’s working for free:
I think the more accurate number is ZERO. While Obama has been sued, and it has been required by the suit that he answer (or else admit to the absurd claims of criminal wrongdoing against him), I know of no suit where Obama has retained counsel where producing a document would make the suit “go away”. So Obama’s actions in court have never been about “hiding records”.
If someone says Obama has spent big bucks hiding his records, ask which lawsuit and what records.
Berg offered to withdraw his suit if Obama would produce the documentation that he was a “natural born citizen,” but to Berg this is not just a birth certificate, but a whole list of documents, some of which exist only in Berg’s conspiracy theories.
Good point. Nobody ever asks how much the plaintiffs have spent on these cases. It would be interesting to learn how much money Orly has raised through PayPal and how much she has spent flying around the country.
Good point.
My personal opinion??
Their feelings haven’t changed in the slightest.
This is simply a CYA move so they can’t claim they didn’t have anything to do with it if one of their followers DOES become unglued.