It must be a slow news day — no birther lawyer antics, no court decisions, no new crank theories. The birthers are having to do what I do: recycle.
Today’s recycling comes from The Betrayal blog, with their headline: Two really important links – Breaking news Obama BC. The truth of this story is that it is neither “breaking” nor “news.”
The first link points to a topic on the Free Republic forum, rehashing the well-worn “date filed vs. date accepted” crock:
I have examined a significant number of Certifications of Live Births, issued by your Department. … On the lower left side of all COLBs, except for 1, the “form-words”: “DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR” were printed. However, on 1 COLB the “form-words”: “DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR” were printed, instead.
This proves, beyond a doubt, that the writer just didn’t look at enough COLB’s! See my article Date Filed v. Date Accepted for another example. But what birthers universally seem unable to understand is that the COLB says that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.
The second link in the Betrayal article is to that den of misinformation, the Post and Email blog and its’s article: HI Dept. of Health admits Obama’s COLB is faked.
Of course, the Hawaii Department of Health has done no such thing. In fact, they said essentially nothing (see below). Somehow, “nothing” got spun into the State having no records of issuing the COLB in 2007. Further Okubo, according to the Post and Email, refused to explain what “date filed” means leading to this statement:
Okubo’s response also now makes her liable for criminal charges of conspiracy to use her office under color of the law to defraud the general public.
However, the only thing the State of Hawaii is actually reported to have said in the email is:
“Aloha Mr. Roberson,
Under the UIPA, the state is not required to answer all questions posed to it. Unfortunately, we are unable to help you at this time.
Please see attached response to your UIPA request.”
The attachment is reported to be a standard form with two boxes checked saying:
[x] Cannot be granted because [x] Agency needs a further description or clarification of the records requested
That is the usual MO of the birthers. They recycle the same crap and attempt to make you think that somehow it is new news. I guess this will happen more frequently since it looks like Leo has pulled out of the birther race again…
I remain skeptical that Leo can resist staying out.
They have nothing to offer except to try to keep their followers adrenalin-jacked with fear and anger, so they can keep pumping them for “PayPal” donations. Therefore, they are going to lie, twist and recycle whatever myths and dis-proven crap they can, figuring that the old adage of “you tell a lie over and over again long enough and people will start to believe it.” Well, obviously, their followers are just the sort that are gullible enough for that, but I don’t see it gaining any further traction.
In fact, although we know these conspiracies never fully “die”, I do feel they’ve suffered enough setbacks and losses that it is a sinking, shrinking movement; slowly dwindling to just the hard core crazies who will never believe anything but what they want to hold onto, no matter how much reality smacks them in the face.
The “birthers” seem to be where the PUMAs were about last time this year. Oh, they are still out there and they were still loud little kitties for several more months to come, but they are effectively meaningless and beyond a sad-little joke and footnote in political history now and not even worth paying attention to, even for amusement.
there’s a little debate going on at free republic that seems to be a textbook case of denial, projection and irony. the question?
what’s the difference between “birther” and “truther”?
a taste:
birfers will get a second lease on life once the campaign for 2012 begins. they’ll be pushing their state governments for new federal candidacy rules, for which they’ve already gotten a toehold in florida via bill posey’s proposed bill.
and i expect they’ll succumb to a case of full-blown amnesia about the trouncing they’ve gotten thus far, a condition that usually leaves the victim with an overblown and unearned sense of sanctimony. after all, you’ve won half the battle if you can’t remember losing …
I wonder what will happen to their amnesia if one of their cases in 2012 gets standing and gets dismissed on the ‘merits’? (I put merits in quotes as the birthers don’t seem to realize that standing and justicability are merits of a case.) The birther’s reaction to judicial notice of the COLB or, better yet, a definition of NBC from the federal bench would be fun to watch.
The Birher’s “have been proven wrong many, many times.”
…FIXED!
…Birthers “advance their point in spite of all evidence to the contrary – simply because they hate america and love its enemies!”
…FIXED!
Dear All,
Slow news day? Several sites are trumpeting the Monroe County TN. REAL grand jury presentment on Tuesday December 1, 2009. It’s in the Canada Free Press. Sounds pretty goofy to me.
The headline screams:
“Obama Treason Charges Advance In Tennessee Grand Jury”
On Tuesday December 1st 2009, Retired Navy Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III will present the evidence behind his treason complaint against Obama/Soetoro to all thirteen members of a Tennessee Grand Jury in Monroe County Tennessee.
The road to justice has been bumpy, to say the least. Commander Fitzpatrick has been ridiculed, blocked in court house halls, threatened, accused of mutiny and labeled a “crackpot” by Obama supporters who see no need for a standard background check for the most powerful office in the world.
Fitzpatrick had to go so far as to file criminal obstruction charges against Grand Jury Foreman Pettway before he would gain access to the court. Despite it all, Commander Fitzpatrick forged ahead and on December 1st, his complaint will be heard by his local Monroe County Tennessee Grand Jury.
Now, this places the Tennessee Grand Jury squarely in the middle of the biggest Constitutional Crisis in U.S. history. Fitzpatrick will be under oath before the Grand Jury on Tuesday. If the Grand Jury has any doubts about Fitzpatrick’s testimony, they must arrest him for perjury on the spot. If they don’t arrest him for perjury, they are accepting his testimony as true and accurate…”
and so forth. I think this reporter also wrote the dialog for the three bears fairy tale.
Go see for yourself at:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/
Benji Franklin
I love their “logic.” I saw another story which claimed that if Fitzpatrick’s charges are false, he is guilty of mutiny. He hasn’t been charged with mutiny, therefore Obama has essentially admitted that the charges are true.
Of course, it wasn’t explained how a retired Navy officer could do anything which would be tantamount to mutiny.
On the other hand, it would be amusing to see the “Grand Jury” arrest Fitzpatrick for perjury. Where would they incarcerate him, in someone’s storage shed?
Did you guys read the article over at the Post and Fail?
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/hi-dept-of-health-admits-obamas-colb-is-faked/
In particular when our friend Charlton writes the following…
“Okubo’s refusal to explain what “Filed by” means, can only be interpreted as withholding evidence that would indict the veracity of the online COLB and the credibility of their department in giving the semblance of truth to Obama’s claim to be born in Hawaii, because there is really no reason in the world to obstruct the request of a concerned citizen regarding what terms, which could be used on official Hawaii Vital Records, mean.
Okubo’s response also now makes her liable for criminal charges of conspiracy to use her office under color of the law to defraud the general public. Because in the fulfilment of her official duties she is legally obligated in State Law to explain what terms used on official documents mean, or at least to direct citizens to the published documents which explain these.”
Like Dr. C wrote in his article they took a basic no comment response and made it into a response that she admitted the COLB was forged and she might go to jail. How ridiculous…What a joke…
One question though. Is the TN Grand Jury enpanled with any real powers? Since Walt is not an attorney nor anyone empowered to enpanel one, how exactly does that work?
Also look at the commenters on Charlton’s article. It is the same core group of birthers that cross post to Orly, the Betrayal, Leo, Mario, and all other birther sites. This is why they think they have larger numbers than they really have.
I mean look at the birther roll call…
nobarack08 (Steve)
observer
epicurious
misanthropicus
citizenwells
Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco
Aristotle the Hun
NewEnglandPatriot
If you read the birther and anti Obama sites you see the same names. Some with their own blogs. All we are missing is Martin Pinsky and Sven and all of the birthers would be in one spot. No wonder why they think that they are stronger than they are…It is with all of the crossposting or inbreeding…
I don’t know, but I think I found a clue. Tennessee appear to be unique among the states in the powers that devolve upon Grand Juries:
See: http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/stategj/funcsgj.htm
Given that Mr. Fitzpatrick appears to behave like a mad dog, perhaps there is a Tennessee Grand Jury inquiring into his vaccination status?
That seems quite possible…Other than that I can’t imagine why the GJ would allow that nutjob Fitzpatrick anywhere near a real court….
This so-called grand jury wants to indict Obama for treason. The last time I looked, treason was a Federal offense, so even if this was a real grand jury it couldn’t hand down an indictment.
From what I’ve been able to gather, this is yet another of those “citizen grand juries” which have no legal effect at all. Fitzpatrick was court-martialed by the Navy for misappropriating funds, which effectively ended his career, and he has been anti-government ever since.
Well, apparently it is a real grand jury, convened due to a quirk in local law. But rumblings on Orly’s Facebook page indicate that the grand jury wasn’t very receptive to Fitzpatrick, and in any event the local D.A. would have to agree to prosecute. Even if the D.A. agreed, he would not have jurisdiction to charge Obama with anything, so this entire thing is nothing but foolishness.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/walter-fitzpatrick-birther-treason-grand-jury-monroe-county
Fitzpatrick received a court martial and was removed from active duty. Since he only served 15 years I’m not certain that he is military retired. Think he just has a bone to pick with the government and he is using the President as his target.
More crap from the post and fail…This site is full of misinformation….
“The truth of law and history is, however, that a natural born citizen, according to the manner in which this term was intended in the U.S. Constitution, and in 4 Supreme Court Cases, is one who is born in the U.S.A. of two parents, each of which was a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth. Obama, by the very public fact that he claims a British subject, as his father, was not, is not, and can never be a natural born citizen of the United States, even if he is a citizen thereof. This legal and historical fact makes his presidency invalid, all his presidential acts unlawful, and his entrance into the office unconstitutional and a usurpation.”
“She then launches out into troubled waters, when she claims without authoritative references that Obama lost his British subject status when Kenya became independent in 1963, and then subsequently lost his Kenyan citizenship when he attained the age of 23 in 1984. She asserts that Obama never affirmed his Kenyan citizenship, or acted to retain his British citizenship. It is not known why she did not quote an official of the Home Office, which actually maintains such records.
The facts are that the Kenyan Constitution provided for the retention of British citizenship, upon independence: it could not do otherwise, since it was a member of the British Commonwealth. Kenya’s subsequent citizenship lawsprovided a 2 year window, for those with subject status, to reaffirm this between the ages of 21-23. This had to be done before an official of the Kenyan government. Obama visited Kenya in person 2 years after his father’s death, and this visit gave him such an opportunity, as he was 21 years of age. Britian also confered perpetual citizenship status upon all who were born subjects; so Obam remains a citizen of the United Kingdom, whether he likes that or not. Unless he has made an act of renunciation before a British consular official, he remains a British citizen.
These caches pages cite how the Kenyan Constitution allowed for its citizens, between ages 21-23, to reaffirm their citizenship, if they held dual nationality from birth. Via that page you can find the link to the British Nationality act of 1981, which states quite clearly in Section 37, that those born as British subjects become ipso facto British commonwealth citizens in January of 1983. Such was the case with Barack Hussein Obama. Donofrio also explains why British subjects did not lose that status if they were also dual Kenyan nationals.
Whether Obama renewed his Kenyan citizenship is not known; what is certain is that his trip to Kenya in 1982 gave him the opportunity to renew it. But that he is a British commonwealth citizen, still, is a fact of history and law, which no one can dispute.”
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/02/mega-media-counter-attack-on-natural-born-citizen-issue/
To the surprise of no one, the Tennessee Grand Jury failed to hand down an indictment:
http://monroe.xtn.net/story/19149
Thanks for the item. I’ll put it on the Media page.