I get these really bizarre items from the blog contact form from time to time and they go something like this one from today:
Name: [redacted]
Email: [redacted]
Comments: I would like to know how to contact Orly Taitz, candidate for Secretary of State.
As President of Republican [organization name redacted], I am interested in her as a Speaker at our meetings. We meet the 4th Monday of the month.
Want to know about her ongoing lawsuit re Obama, citizenship, and social security number. Need some updated information on what is happening.
Please email or call me regarding Ms. Taitz’ phone number or email address.. I am at [phone number redacted]
In response, I did the meanest, most hurtful thing I could think of. I gave her Orly’s number. 👿
Find someone to report on the meeting. I’m sure this organization, or the local Democrats, could use the press coming from them being associated with Orly
“I did the meanest, most hurtful thing I could think of.”
Oh no you didn’t.
You did the meanest, most hurtful thing a normal person with character does.
There’s far more possible in your imagination and as reality could muster.
a link to Orly’s infested web site would have been better.
Hilarious! >–)
Dr. C.:
An alternative response might have been, “Well, I don’t know how to contact her, but I bet if you get in touch with Charles E. Lincoln IIII, he’ll be able to help you.”
Doc C. Are you “pimp’n” Orly? Shame on you… I like Arthur’s suggestion. Direct them the CEL3.
It amazes me why anyone would think that THIS is Orly Taitz’s web site, but they do. I note that a Google search for “orly taitz obama social security number” does list this site at the end of the first page. (Note that Google customizes results for individual searchers now. Your mileage may vary.)
Several remarks that I wrote in the email response were deleted including “it’s your funeral.”
I suppose I could forwarded it to Kornhaber.
You could have suggested they have a panel discussion, with Taitz, Kreep, Berg, and Martin. Definitely Martin.
I’m sure Spencer would appreciate that.
just saw someone claim on the oc weekly blog that orly hasn’t released a campaign finance disclosure form yet. does anyone know when this is supposed to be released by candidates ?
BatGuano:
It wouldn’t surprise me if our shayna maidel hasn’t released information about her campaign finances, since she still hasn’t paid the $20,000 fine levied by Judge Land last year.
And speaking of releasing information, during an interview with the Russian Times, Rand Paul made it known that he’s in favor of violating the 14th Amendment. Rand said, “We shouldn’t provide an easy route to citizenship. We’re the only country that I know that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen. And I think that should stop.”
Here is the link to the full story at Talking Points Memo:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/rand-paul-children-of-illegal-immigrants-should-not-be-us-citizens-video.php?ref=fpb
I guess Rand hasn’t heard of Canada then. Here is Canadian law on the subject:
“The immigration status of the parents at the time of the Canadian citizenship child’s birth is not relevant to the child’s eligibility for Canadian citizenship. A child born in Canada to two illegal alien parents would still be considered a Canadian citizen. ” There is an exception regarding diplomats as there is here.
http://www.americanlaw.com/cdncitborn.html
http://www.runorlyrun.com
Vote for Orly!
If you don’t vote for Orly, then you got mommy issues and shouldn’t be voting.
This was linked to on Slashdot :
Quite interesting if viewed in context of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”
The following is from an article on Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/when-science-clashes-with-belief-make-science-impotent.ars
‘It’s hardly a secret that large segments of the population choose not to accept scientific data because it conflicts with their predefined beliefs: economic, political, religious, or otherwise. But many studies have indicated that these same people aren’t happy with viewing themselves as anti-science, which can create a state of cognitive dissonance. That has left psychologists pondering the methods that these people use to rationalize the conflict. A study published in the Journal of Applied Social Psychology takes a look at one of these methods, which the authors term “scientific impotence” — the decision that science can’t actually address the issue at hand properly.’ The study found that ‘regardless of whether the information presented confirmed or contradicted [the subjects’] existing beliefs, all of them came away from the reading with their beliefs strengthened.”
Hey, I’m all for Orly winning her primary…just to keep the entertainment flowing!
Bring on the popcorn! 😉
Scientist:
Thanks for the information about Canadian immigration policy. Like Rand Paul, I didn’t know what the policy was. Unlike Rand Paul, I think Canadian (and U.S.) policy is humane and proper.
Maybe I’m just a naive, Corporal O’Reilly-type, but I had to look up what “mommy issues” means. One site described a man with mommy issues as someone whose mother is “unstable, cruel, demanding, possessive, controlling, and sometimes outright insane.” To me, that description sound a lot like Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire, and it illustrates the kind of matriarch the typical birther must have grown up with.
I’m doing some research on how various countries treat the citizenship of children born within their borders:
We know that Canada and the US take no notice of the parent’s status
Australia and New Zealand require one parent to be a citizen or permanent resident for the child to be a citizen
France allows a child of 2 foreign parents to apply for citizenship at 18
Germany requires at least one parent to have lived in Germany for 8 years
What I have been unable to find is any country that follows the birther dictum that BOTH parents must be citizens for the child to acquire citizenship. I suspect that rule only applies in Lower Birfestan.
What would be really interesting would be the requirements in Switzerland in the 18th century. IOW, did even de Vattel’s country subscribe to his ideas.
Wha . . . wait a minute; so you’re saying that quite a few countries, even the old timey ones like France and Germany don’t follow the standards of St. Vattel? My God, Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire needs to know about this immediately!! Somebody tell Dr. C. to email her about this!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that Lady Liberty may be ill-informed — and not just about peroxide– but about the laws of nations. Oh, the poor dear–this will be very embarrassing for her, I’m sure!
I don’t know what Swiss law was in Vattel’s, but here is current Swiss law:
“A person is a Swiss citizen at birth (whether born in Switzerland or not) if he or she is:
born to a Swiss father or mother, if parents are married
born to a Swiss mother, if parents are not married”
Note that it says father OR mother. So a Swiss Obama would be a birth citizen.
Britain requires one parent to be a citizen or “settled in the UK” (similar to a permanent resident alien)
Japan says:
“When either parent is a Japanese national at the time of birth”
China says the same.
So the so-called “Law of Nations” requiring 2 citizen parents is not used by any actual nations. Except Lower Birfestan.
There ya go agin, confusing the birthers with facts.
Doc C,
Isn’t providing someone with Dr. Orly’s contact info a violation of the Geneva Convention or some such? It must be considered ‘psychological warfare’ or ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ or something similar. Why didn’t you do something kind and waterboard the person or give them the ‘Clockwork Orange’ treatment?
Oh no! The president’s following long-standing normal political practices in trying to protect the Democratic Congressional majority! Start the impeachment proceedings NOW!!!!!!
[wingnut mode off]
Seriously, it’s pathetic how desperately the Republicans are grasping at any straw to try to portray President Obama as corrupt. That dog won’t hunt. People remember the ridiculous witch hunt Republicans conducted against President Clinton, and how they impeached him as an exercise in partisan politics.
The fact is that President Obama is clean, and hyping ordinary political horse-trading as some kind of scandal just makes Republicans look shrill and desperate.
Paul et al- A couple of thoughts:
1. Pertinent to President Obama. As we have seen, not a single country on Earth, including de Vattel’s home country, denies full and complete citizenship (including the right to hold all elective offices) to a child of one of their citizens born on their soil. To pretend that the US founding fathers intended to do so is to pretend that they were intellectual and moral fools. That essentially is what you would have to believe if you wish to be a birther.
2. The issue of the citizenship of the children of 2 illegal aliens is more complex. I can see an intellectual and moral foundation for the Australian/New Zealand/French position that one parent must be legally admitted to the country.
I think it has been clearly demonstrated that this is a purposeful mistranslation from the part of the birthers.
There is of course no such rule in Vattel’s.
Does anyone know of any contemporaneous commentaries on de Vattel’s treatise? Especially British that would show that this is not how the British world worked.
Agreed.
Doc, did you examine the header on the email? Call me devious, but it’s probably from one of Orly’s supporters (such as Walter White), in an effort to let you know, in an oh-so-clever way, how immensely popular and in-demand she is as a candidate.
I would have answered, “Orly who? Never heard of her.” For the fun.
“Orly Taitz? Sounds exotic. Where does she live (if she’s still alive)? I vaguely remember hearing that name some time ago. What does she do? Put me in touch with her, if you come across her address. She may have gone to high school with me, but I hardly remember everyone from my class.”