The Sonoran News, billing itself the “Conservative Voice of Arizona” has gone full birther in an article this week about Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s upcoming trial.
Far beyond simple shoddy research, this puppy is actually spinning the issue. My favorite quote is:
In September, a military judge ruled Obama’s birth records were irrelevant to the case and that his orders were legal and basically refused Lakin any manner of defense.
The court didn’t refuse Lakin any manner of defense; it just refused him the “birther” defense since it is not, as a matter of law, valid.
The Sonoran News also fails to make it clear that the American Patriot Foundation is no longer representing Lakin, Lakin having fired APF lawyer Paul Jensen and obtained reputable legal counsel.
The article trots out standard birther myths such as Obama’s millions in legal fees to hide his records and wave around Obama Connecticut social-security number. And they end the article with a plug for Kerchner’s case.
Linda Bently has always been a huge birfer. She was at the Manning “Trial of the Century”. She’s covered Manning, Donofrio, Apuzzo, even Lucas Smith. She’s a birfer’s best friend:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&hs=ArP&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22LINDA+BENTLEY%22+OBAMA+BIRTH+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sonorannews.com%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Just a slime merchant.
I have given up telling folks in Australia I’m from Arizona – too embarrassing these days.
I’m from Tucson now, and when they give me the ‘where the h*** is Tucson’ look, I just tell them its an hours drive from the Mexican border.
I wouldn’t worry too much in that respect. Over the years I’ve found that my fellow Yurpeans don’t quite grasp the notion that “America” is really made up of “States”. Most folks really think of you as one country, and the notion of separate laws, courts, police, taxes, etc. is usually greeted with some befuddlement.
(I can’t speak for Australians of course.)
So when Arizona, Texas, South Carolina and Florida, competing for the Stupidest State Award with inspiring enthusiasm come up with a new bit of silliness, all of America gets tarred with that brush, at least in the average man in the street PR sense.
To some extent, it works in reverse as well: I doubt most of you make a difference between Corsicans, Bretons, Basque or Parisians.
The article interestingly starts “After exhausting every administrative remedy available to him…”
There is no relationship between Lakin and the word administrative. Checking in a thesaurus regulatory might have been a better word to choose. It is always hard to work backward through birthers’ thought process.
Were it not for the online version of that rag, the Sonoran News would never be read. It is one of those freebie weeklies that are thrown onto the driveway and then go straight to the recycling bin or bottom of the bird cage. Right where it belongs, of course.
Corsicans – from an island off the coast of Italy. Best known for spawning short dude who made himself Emperor and stuffed his hand in his jacket.
Bretons – French Celts.
Basques – their language is unique and non-Indo-European. They badly, badly want their own country.
Parisians – live in a gorgeous city that hosted the French Revolution and is the home of one of the world’s greatest museums.
Ahhh Paris in late summer, eary autumn, a lovely city….before the Parisians return…..8-)
Interesting self reinforcing fantasy world you folks live in here. These comments are devoid of factual information on the issue. I suspect none of you have the faintest knowledge of what is required to meet the Constitutional qualification to serve as President of these United States. Having served as an Officer in the US Armed forces I was required to provide a verifiable original certified copy of my Kansas birth certificate before I could be commissioned. It seems reasonable that the Commander in Chief should meet the same standard as the officers he commands, does it not? Before you go off on your fantasy filled tirades in response to this comment please actually study the facts of this issue.
Buzz you might want to peruse the articles on this site. It is clear that Dr Conspiacy has thoroughly examined the issue. Obama has presented his birth certificate. You are way behind here. He’s the president, he won the electoral college, he was certified by congress and sworn in by the chief justice. I somehow think you don’t seem to know what makes one eligible to be president.
1. It is likely that the users of this site collectively have as much knowledge of constitutional issues relevant to the office of POTUS as the users of any other site in existence today. Many of them are well qualified experienced legal professionals in their own right. Most appear to be objective and considered in their thought processes.
2. The qualifications requiring to be met by a prospective POTUS are quite clear. Those qualifications are an entirely separate matter from the documents that you were required to produce before you could be commisssioned. The latter has no relevance, legally or otherwise, to the former and does not in any way set standards for the former.
3. Even if it one day transpired to be discovered that President Obama had been spawned by a one night stand between two foreigners and born in a mud hut in the deepest forests of the Congo, the orders given to Terry Lakin were still lawful and his failure to obey those orders, despite being clearly informed in advance by his superiors that the birth records of the POTUS were irrelevant to the need for him to obey those orders, rendered it inevitable that he would face censure for that failure to obey.
4. All of the above being understood, as it happens the original COLB, an image of which was placed on the internet over two years ago by Obama’s campaign office, would be 100% legally valid for any purpose than anyone, POTUS included, could ever require a “Birth Certificate” in connection with, and at least every bit as legally valid as your Birth Certificate that you yourself mention having produced.
At your request (though I don’t usually require any encouragement to abstain from tirades or fantasy) the above is devoid of those features and is easily verifiable by anyone objective who genuinely wishes the facts. If you disagree with any of the above please clearly specify the reasons why and I’ll gladly respond.
I do have one question for you……to whom in the armed forces do you think that Obama is required to produce an original Birth Certificate and why (ie under which regulation/procedure/law/whatever else you have in mind)?
Time to replace that old irony meter.
Which commanders-in-chief did you serve under? Did George W. Bush ever provide a verifiable, original certified copy of his birth certifcate? Did his father? Did Bill Clinton?
No, I didn’t think so. This “show us your birth certificate” requirement, which nowhere appears in the Constitution, was never raised before a black man with a foreign-sounding name was elected President.
interesting indeed. a brief glance over nearly any of the threads here would show that not only do the contributors have a knowledge of the qualifications for POTUS ( NBC, 35+ & 14 year res ) but there is also a wealth of knowledge in a wide range of areas related to the issue. to say that this site lacks ” the faintest knowledge of what is required” would mean you either haven’t read the articles/comments, have a deep degree of confirmation bias or are just simply a liar.
as you are a former military officer i’d recommend you look at caaflog.com . a great site devoted to UCMJ and populated with officers and experts in the field. if you look up the articles on LTC Lakin you’ll see that the birther issue is discussed and the general consensus is in step with this site. is caaflog also in a “fantasy world” and “devoid of factual information” ?
how many people did you show it to ? did you show it to everyone under your command ? would you have been ok with a subordinate refusing your orders till you could personally show him said birth certificate and verify it to his personal satisfaction ? could he then refuse your orders till he could see the same information from your superior ?
Interesting that you should bring up the concept of fantasies, since you appear to be either lying, or under considerable delusion yourself.
As a retired Army Officer, and having done a stint as a recruiter during my service, I can tell you that you are not required to provide a certified copy of the original of your birth certificate in order to be commissioned.
The id you presented when you joined the military is sufficient to have you issued military ID, and that is all that is required, as on file, to be commissioned.
The be recruited you also do not have to provide anything but the verification of birth provided by the state you were born in. When I joined it was the document I was given by the state I was born in, which is pretty much exactly the same as the COLB that President Obama presented.
The COLB Obama presented is the verification of birth issued by the sate of Hawaii. It is legal to establish ID for ALL federal and state purposes, including military recruiting.
IN short, if Obama had walked into my office and presented his COLB, I’d have been able to sign him up, without any problem.
So in short, Buzz, regarding what said about being required to show your “original certified copy of my Kansas birth certificate”, you are either deluded, or you are lying. Care to let us know which it is?
So Buzz, in addition to that birth certificate, did they require you to take any kind of IQ test or psychological profile? Probably not.
Ignorant experts are becoming tiresome.
I have probably around 1,000 hours in research, article writing, and comment reading not only here but in university archives, court cases, books on citizenship, newspaper microfilm and correspondence. I have written over 1,000 articles here, many heavily documented with citations and authorities. Butt Fuzzel has obviously not read a tenth of a percent of the content here, but flaps his mouth anyway.
It would be hard to express my utter disdain a some pip-squeak fool arrogantly pretending expertise, but demonstrating none.
We all understand it may hard to express….. but please do try. 😉
My, my, how the trolls multiply.
Buzz,
I doubt that you served as an officer since you clearly know nothing about the UCMJ. Besides, LTC Lakin’s lawyers have already agreed with Judge Lind that his orders were legal.
And if you did serve as an officer, you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting mutiny.
Hi Dr. C (off topic)
Beck’s site has a photo of Grandmother Sarah and Obama as a young man that I hadn’t yet seen published. But something seemed too familiar Even my wife’s first statement was “that looks photoshopped.” I’m aware of Polarnik’s analysis and the several other early photos that seem to show the same smiling, flipped, and floating face. Have you done any looking and analysis of this “conspiracy” to create a photo record of Obama’s backstory?
Happy thanksgiving.
Does the Salvation Army require a person to be NBC?
My wife recently summed it up to a birther with “His birth certificate is certified. You, however, are certifiable.” 😉
I think Dr. Lakin thought he was a very special snowflake.
What he considered a viable defense was ridiculous and he knew it.
Despite knowing he’d be arrested and tried, somehow he thought he’d get Obama into court.
This seems to be a recurring fantasy amongst birthers.
From the earliest Linda Starr rants, Orly’s cases, Rev. Manning’s, American Grand Jury(s), etc, all proclaimed they’d have Obama answering to them in court or by proxy.
They’re all pissed they have no standing, their subpoenas were worthless, etc, but they’re MOSTLY pissed to have been ignored or dismissed.
They want to be heard and no one of importance will listen.
And I can’t help but think it does have to do with race sometimes.
Some white people have never been subordinate to a black in their entire life.
It’s like that recent video with the old white gal yelling and hitting her black postman.
She came out of her house just to bash that poor guy.
So they really just want an opportunity to shout at Obama.
The reasons why aren’t as important as the innate desire to.
They just can’t accept a black man rising above them.
It makes them feel they’re more worthless than they already are.
That’s also the reason for all the conspiracies: They have to look smarter by assigning nefarious intent upon the players.
It’s the only way they can relax and feel superior.
As for Lakin, I’m sure he’s having a hard time with reality nowadays.
folks, it’s all about sowing the seeds of fear, uncertainty and doubt into the fertile minds of the willfully ignorant. is there any doubt who the culprits are?
why has the so called defenders of the constitution “the birthers not given their savior l”Lakin” or more commonly known as their “sacrificial lamb” the same level of skeptism as they afford the president. Just in Lakins original video there are numerous lies and mis statements, such as the one about the president not submitting the same documents that Lakin had to join the army. even if Lakin had submitted his original birth verification it is irrelevent, the president could use any of the valid by law proof of citizenship documents which includes a passport and COB which states country of birth. why do these individuals keep starting the same argument over and over again.
what’s the definition of insanity again?
LTC Lakin is correct that there are criteria for who may be elected as President. He is missing the point as to (1) who is responsible for the final decision as to whether the person elected by the electors and (2) where he as an individual fits into the entire scheme of things. Congress, in joint session, is the arbiter as to whether the person elected by the states’ electors meets the criteria. Where does LTC Lakin fit in? The same place that I do – the secret ballot where I vote for a slate of electors who are pledged to a specific candidate. I have often disagreed w/the choice of the electors. At times I have thought that the Commanders placed over me in the service were not the best, however, they were still my Commanders and I followed their orders. Yes, at times I grumbled and griped, but I still followed their orders.
HE WAS EXPENDABLE: a birther drama of war and madness
Captain: What do you want, soldier?
Fuzzle: Private Buzz Fuzzle, sir.
Captain: Yeah. What do you want?
Fuzzle: I just wanted to show it to you, sir.
Captain: Show me what?
Fuzzle: You know.
Captain: Are you coming on to me, private?!
Fuzzle: Coming on? No sir! It’s my birth certificate; remember our conversation last week, sir. About NBC.
Captain: We had a conversation about a TV. station?
Fuzzle: No, no, sir, National Born Citizen. I just wanted to show you sir that I am a National Born Citizen of these United States. Not just “natural born” you understand, but NATIONAL born. That means I’m a natural national, or as Emmerich Vattel, first ambassador to Switzerland, and the ghost-writer of our Constitution described it: “Citron de Citoyen.”
Captain: Congratulations private. Now if you’ll excuse me . . .
Fuzzle: But don’t you want to see it, sir?!
Captain: See what!
Fuzzle: My official and verifiable, original-certified and non-transferable copy of my birth certificate, complete with matching decoder ring. See, I was born in Buffalo Jaw, Kansas. Oh, and here’s the signature of the doctor who accidently dropped me on my head in the delivery room. Doctor Van Nostrum.
Captain: Private, this is an application to breed mink.
Fuzzle: Yes, but turn it over, sir. See?
Captain: Outstanding, private.
Fuzzle: Thank you, sir!
Captain: Now what the hell is this all about?
Fuzzle: Well, I was thinking, sir, that if, for some reason, you wanted, for whatever reason, to give me a field promotion to Lieutenant, there would be no doubt as to the necessity of the men serving under me to follow my orders. Because I am an American human being. And my orders would be followed!
Captain: I see.
Fuzzle: Because even if the other guys in the outfit say it, I’m really not an alien, sir! I was born here; well not here, exactly; in Buffalo Jaw. Anyway, I’ve never even seen a space ship, and I definitely DO NOT have an anal probe. Believe me, sir; I checked. Repeatedly. And if this Army thing doesn’t work out, why, I could even be president.
Captain: Well, private, I’ll keep this information in mind. (Exiting)
Fuzzle: Thank you sir! Thank you. (Pause, then . . .) Lieutenant Buzz Fuzzle! God, that sounds good! Almost as good as President Buzz Fuzzle! Someday, Fuzzle, someday . . . now I better see if Klaatu is ready to receive my next emission.
Yes, and here’s a video containing a rant by one of those certifiable birthers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uGsUXSbI4E
“Sonoran News is printed on alternate weeks, while the online version is updated weekly, by Conestoga Merchants, Inc. dba Sonoran News, and distributed free of charge to 44,000+ homes and businesses…”
http://www.sonorannews.com/about.html
Please state for the record how my post about the Bretons and the Basques was wrong in any way. Otherwise, kindly go away.
And oh – if your illiterate, badly punctuated post is an example of the thought processes of a commissioned officer in the American military, we are in serious trouble.
“…verifiable original certified copy ”
as a US Marine, I call this BS, the majority of officers do not have an “original”, they, like Obama, have a COLB.
It is called the moving goalpost with wheels. When confronting these people about Lakin not having his “original” birth certificate they change the topic. It is a strange logic they use.
Ellid:
It seems Mr. Fuzzle has fizzled. Having dropped a load, he has hoofed away to chew his cud and descant on his certified copy.
Oh great!
Another reason to be embarrassed to live here in Arizona!
He HAS provided a Certified Birth Certificate you dolt!
You and your ilk just refuse to believe it!
I just wrote to the editor and told him to stop making us Arizonans look like ignorant morons!
Everyone should write him at editor@sonorannews.com
Are you ready for the Duel in the Desert?
Go Cats! Bear Down!
WND’s New Poster Boy Even More Sleazy Than We Thought
Topic: WorldNetDaily
A few weeks back, we highlighted the truth about Walter Fitzpatrick, WorldNetDaily’s new birther hero whose background WND must whitewash in order to continue to present him as a poster. Turns out that background is even more seamy than we suspected.
An alert ConWebWatch reader directs us to a lengthy list of Fitzpatrick’s contacts with law enforcement, which range from numerous instances of alleged domestic violence and harrassment to restraining orders and various other judgments filed against him.
Fitzpatrick was also court-martialed and convicted of failed to properly supervise the spending of his ship’s “morale, welfare and recreation” money, effectively ending his Navy career.
Also, here’s another bit of whitewashing done by WND. In April, Bob Unruh wrote that Fitzpatrick faced a “rioting” charge “for confronting a grand-jury meeting in Tennessee.” Brian Fitzpatrick similarly wrote in his Oct. 28 article that Walter Fitzpatrick “tried unsuccessfully to place evidence about Obama’s eligibility before a Monroe County grand jury in 2009.”
In fact, such grand jury proceedings are closed to the public. As one Tennessee newspaper pointed out, “Grand jury proceedings, by law, are strictly private and only the grand jury and the officer making his or her case are allowed in the room. Even a court officer is not allowed into the courtroom during a grand jury session.”
Fitzpatrick is the man who WorldNetDaily consider s a sane and reasonable advocate for making the case against Barack Obama’s “eligibility” to be president. Apparently, Orly Taitz wasn’t crazy enough.
(And WND had to whitewash her, too.)
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/
Meanwhile, at Pest & eFail they are debating whether Terry Lakin or Walt Fitzpatrick should be declared “Man of the Year.” They still haven’t come to grips with the fact that Lakin has scuttled the birther defense. Then there is one particularly offensive comment by poster J. Hanson:
“Lakin fired his original attorney, the wonderful Paul Jensen, even before his appeal of Judge Lind’s terrible decision had been ruled upon. He hired a run of the mill military lawyer, Neal Puckett from the firm of Puckett and Faraj (sounds Muslim)…”
And there is this guffaw-inducer from poster Forage’s Barn:
“I would nominate Dr. Taitz and Dr. Lincoln as Couple of the Year.”
I think they should make a documentary on birthers. Have them end up debating with Constitutional scholars and lawyers and film it. I think it would be a mockumentary at that point for all the unintended comedy.
From GW…
http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/the-hypocrisy-of-the-obama-birth-certificate-issue/page/3
All 3 branches of government are NOW being run by a few VERY POWERFUL PEOPLE. We are NO longer a NATION OF LAWS. Very Sad Day Indeed.
Only the States and the People can save the Republic.
We should make as MUCH NOISE AS POSSIBLE about THIS…Come On America!!
LET’S ROLL!!!
COUNT DOWN TO COURT MARTIAL: IT’S TIME TO HELP TERRY
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/
More nonsense…
http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/eligibility-debate-chicago-tribune-degrades-military-who-uphold-oaths
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/11/chicago-tribunes-eric-zorn-labels-high.html
Chicago Tribune’s Eric Zorn Labels High-Ranking Members of the United States Military that Uphold Their Oaths as Whackjobs, Got Plastered with Radical Friends and Acquaintances!?
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This past week the Chicago Tribune decided to publish a piece on the
Commander Kerchner et al v. Obama/Congress/Pelosi et al lawsuit
which is now awaiting a response from the Supreme Court of the United States. Instead of doing a full-blown investigative piece on the historic Petition for Writ of Certiorari they aimed their guns and fired off a hit-piece libeling those who seek transparency and justice in regards to
Obama’s Constitutional Eligibility to be President and Commander-in-Chief.