Obama's father?
While birthers, for example Andy Martin, have theories of an alternate father for Barack Obama, such theories don’t get much play in the birther movement, mainly because the alternates named (e.g. Malcolm X and Frank Marshall Davis) are American citizens. Many birthers rely on Obama’s alien father to serve (wrongly) as evidence of his ineligibility. But what if the alternate father were not an American citizen either?
Word among certain insiders is exactly that, and the evidence exists in of all places unreleased (for now) Wikileaks documents! When you start putting the pieces together, it is amazing how much this revelation explains. Wow! Just wow!
Considering that Wikileaks is in the business of making sure unreleased documents are released…. if evidence were in unreleased wikileaks documents… how would the Birthers even know that?
Clearly the birthers will know this is true when one of them sees the article, doesn’t notice or care that it is parody, and repeats the allegation on the internet.
LMAO!
Doc……purely for info…..your link in the article is to a site that appears to be riddled with malware.
Malware? Google didn’t flag it. Dunno.
Avast doesn’t seem to have a problem with it.
Very strange. I have McAfee. My computer had been on for about 48 hours straight with visits to perhaps 50/60 sites without problem through prior to clicking on that link. MCAfee immediately lit up like a Xmas tree. I immediately closed it and penned the warning to you.
I restarted my computer shortly after and in the meantime have visited perhaps another 20/30 sites without problem. An hour ago I read these comments and curiosity got the better of me so clicked on the link again. Halfway through loading of the spooftimes page McAfee again went berserk. Against my better judgement I applied an override and let it continue to open…..after 2 minutes my computer froze completely with assorted problems apparently caused via that site. The only remedy was to shurt down and even that proved difficult due to the nature of whatever it was causing the problem.
I’ll be doing a full scan when I have time tonight to see what is now there that wasn’t previously there. I had no other sites open other than obamconspiracy.org when his occurred the second time. Very strange that it’s only mine.
Anyway, won’t spoil my enjoyment of the comments as always. Sorry if this somehow proves to be a false alert but it beats my (admittedly not brilliant at computers) brain as to how it can have been anything other than the linked site causing it, barring some kind of remarakable set of coincidences.
Bitdefender with McAfee Site-Advisor doesn’t have any problem with it (on my machine, YMMV).
The argument regarding Malcom X or Frank Davis is not so much that President Obama is ineligible, but a big-ass liar. (Which would be true if this rumor was true, as President Obama originally wrote Dreams in 1995 and has been lying ever since.) A large amount of population would take notice if President Obama was caught telling this kind of a whopper of a lie.
Hey, Bob, do you know who your father REALLY is? Are you 100%, positively sure?
I’m sure you have first hand knowledge of big asses and whores.
He’d also be a big ass liar if his father was Darth Vader or Cassius Clay, but there’s no more and no less evidence of that than there is of Malcolm X or Frank Davis being his father, so it’s pretty much a pointless observation to make.
Find some even remotely credible evidence then there’s something to discuss.
While there could be an exception I suppose, most people named Barack Hussein Obama II are the sons of Barack Hussein Obama. If a whopper was told, it dates far earlier than any thing President Obama ever wrote.
Awww come on! If we imposed a standard like that, I would have to shut the blog down.
I had a look at this and saw that what is happening is that the site on opening pushes a number of other sites into your web memory (it is sometimes called hotlinking). One of them is a “website traffic enhancer” site, but apart from that, fairly innocent. Simultaneously, the spooftimes site makes it difficult to return to referral, in this case www,obamaconspiracy.org.
Exactly the same behavior used to occur on Orly’s site until she cleaned up her act a few months ago The advertisement sites she hotlinked were far less well behaved and sometimes hotlinked themselves – to malware sites connected to the Russian Business Network
You do need to be a computer freak to see what is going on, just look at the web history of your browser – if you actually do not see these other sites listed there, then congratulations, you have a very good browser+anti spyware program combination. Or the site was indeed hacked when I and Judge visited, and it was all corrected when you did.
According to Mr Bean, Bob is really Kate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_%28Blackadder%29
So, is Dr Kate visiting us, with leeches and all?
Thanks Paul. I think I actually understand that much to my own surprise lol.
Actually, we have now determined who Obama’s real father is.
A photo of him in Africa has been making its way across the internet, and we expect Joseph Farah and Andy Martin to comment on it any day now…
I have a cousin in the Mossad. Obama’s father was an Ethiopian Jew.
I doubt that most of the population would give a damn. I sure don’t.
McAfee really is the best of them all.
Plus I have not had to pay for it for the past 10 years, I’m one of their Beta Testers.
Really? If it was shown that President Obama had been pathologically lying about who his father was, it would be on every media outlet. And there would be countless attacks on his honesty, reputation, etc.
(And, people: Please stop acting like birthers; I explained the theory behind the rumor’s currency, not that I believed it.)
How does anyone (you, me or the President) know, without having DNA testing done, who their actual biological father is? Suppose your mother never told you that someone other than the man you ASSUME (note the first 3 letters) is your father is actually the one? Would you be a “pathological liar” because you went through life not knowing the actual sperm donor?
Before you ASSUME (note the first 3 letters) that the President would be a “pathological liar” under your fictional scenario, you would first have to show he knew the actual identity of his Dad. It would be just as likely that his mother misled him. We don’t remember our own conception, so we depend on other what others tell us. The same is of course true of place, date and circumstances of birth in general, though in that case there are documents. Since there is no “conception certificate”, all bets are off.
How to drive an Obot crazy: Tell a lie.
How to drive a birther crazy: Tell the truth.
First, you clearly have no idea what pathological lying actually is.
Second, I wouldn’t care, and neither would anyone else.
Third, there is ZERO evidence that anyone other than Barack Obama Sr. fathered the President.
Fourth, go troll an ancient yuletide carol instead of this site. KTHX.
Sorry Doc I couldn’t find the previous thread where we mentioned borderraven. I was perusing Lakin articles and came across this comment by Borderraven that pretty much destroys her own argument:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birther-terry-lakin-dismissed-army-sentenced-months-prison/comments?type=story&id=12414886
“Hawaii Revised Statute §572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that: (3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living; Barack Obama Sr had a wife and children living in Kenya when, in February 1961, he married Stanley Ann Dunham, who was pregnant with Barack Jr.” Posted by:
borderraven Dec-16
If it’s as Borderraven claims then it would mean that Dunham would have been treated as if she was a single mother and thus the citizen parent claim would be shot to hell as Obama would be considered an NBC based solely on his mother.
If?
So, essentially you’re admitting that you’re talking out of your ass.
IF you’re an incestuous pedophile, anyone could make that claim on pure baseless speculation in your psychotic, fantasy world?
Not that I believe it, of course.
Borderraven regurgitates statutes and legal arguments that he doesn’t understand, and then starts lecturing those who point out that he’s wrong. I’m amazed that he surfaced from the great threat of millions of rampaging Mexicans pouring into California to threaten his lifestyle of photographing underage girls, picketing churches, and generally making an ass of himself.
And that is an essential flaw in the arguments advanced by the likes of LieGuy. Even if they got the hospital records of Obama’s birth, how can anyone know for certain that Obama Sr. is the father? The hospital accepted that he was the father because that is what the hospital was told. And that goes for everybody whose paternity was not denied and no DNA or blood type matching was done. For all we know, Ronald Reagan’s real father might have been a Canadian milkman.
It was my understanding that he was a female? But yes from what I have seen of it it tries to correct those that point out her misunderstandings and she gets spanked thoroughly in the process
Quick somebody call Maury Povich!
then you’d also have to prove that he had knowledge of this fraud in order for him to be a liar.
correct?
Borderraven is [Name redacted, Doc.] He’s deeply involved with the Minuteman anti-immigration movement, takes very bad videos and posts them on Youtube, and has a creepy fascination with young teenage girls. Bigoted, not particularly intelligent, and nearly as delusional as Butterdezillion.
Oh sorry was confusing him with Butterdezillion its actually not that hard to confuse the two. Yeah the youtube videos are pedo bear in nature
Might have been?!
The physician who delivered Obama was Doctor Tari.
Everyone called him Doc Tari.
Thank you. I’ll be here all week.
If Obma were cross-eyed, had the star sign Leo and was nicknamed Clarence….I might just believe that.
Please try your waitress and tip the veal. Is this mic on?
It is a general vital records principle that the husband is presumed to be the father.
Before on another link we had discussed the fact that the birthers like to use the term “interllectual dishonesty” when dealing with people that point out the facts when they refute the ridiculous birther scenarios….
Here we have the infamous “Dr Kate” using the term in her screed below….What is more amazing is how she attempts to switch the evidence from the birthers, who have no evidence to support their claims to the so called “o-bots’, who can support all of their positions with actual case law and constitutional facts. The disconnect with reality by “katie” is amazing…
Intellectual dishonesty is:
the advocacy of a position known to be false.
An argument which is misused to advance an agenda or to reinforce one’s deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
The intellectual dishonesty of the eligibility deniers, including chief Obama, the left, the 111th Congress, the so-called media’, the Courts, the attorneys, and now the military, has been completely and cleanly exposed by their strenuous efforts to defend Obama’s lack of Article II eligibility against all evidence to the contrary. While their petty goal is to ruin and ridicule anyone who raises the issue, their feigned superiority betrays a significant moral decay and fundamental anti-Americanism.
Unfortunately for America, in knowingly defending the breach of the natural born citizen’ clause of Article II, these entities commit treason to the constitution‘. And so appropriately for the deniers, they face easily documented misprision of felony and misprision of treason charges. For this kind of fundamental intellectual dishonesty is endangering the Nation.
This essay has been brewing since the Lakin K- court martial’, where so many of the tawdry tools and false arguments of the deniers came into sharp focus. Bearing witness to the convoluted machinations required to protect the undocumented Obama. It was disheartening to observe the collaboration among the prosecution, defense, and certain military bloggers sitting in ‘gallery’ to railroad LTC Lakin using the rhetoric of intellectual dishonesty. But the truth ultimately wastes these collaborators, for when confronted with it, they can’t handle it.
This collaborative effort–not only in the Lakin case but characterizing all efforts to conceal the truth about Obama–has been a racket, a money-maker and reputation booster’ (if you consider misprision of felony a booster’ for your career) for the willing fools who carry along with it, not knowing that in the end they will be treated as useful idiots‘and FEMA-camped like the rest of us. The flat-earth, eligibility deniers are involved not in a conspiracy, but in fact an association to perpetuate fraud. They have high level allies in this endeavor, at great peril to the American people.
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The eligibility-deniers’ ethical blunder is knowingly ignoring the evidence that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen, and it is based on the incorrect self-deception that their reading of the Constitution is correct. They ignore history, precedent, and willfully mis-interpret key cases on citizenship as somehow controlling on natural born’ citizenship. They refuse to acknowledge that an Article II natural born citizen is different than a Fourteenth Amendment citizen of the United States’.
And somehow, with all the education and experience, they can’t quite grasp that the Founders intended to use language for the requirement of the CIC that Americans would always understand without the employ of lawyers and pundits…and certainly those who were educated in civics in the 40′s and 50′s can recite that a natural born citizen is born in the country of two citizen parents. The eligibility-deniers must have skipped that class in grade school.
Intellectual dishonesty takes many forms. The self-deceptions that bolster our sense of self-worth are perhaps wired into human nature and certainly have survival value. Simple plagiarism passes off someone else’s words as one’s own. The petty crime becomes intellectual dishonesty when the plagiarism is employed to bolster a public perception of one’s own intellectual strength or authority.
Selective reading of history designed to support an agenda must figure into the eligibility deniers’ strategy to ultimately bolster their own intellectual strength’ or authority. But its effect is also to protect Obama and prevent any discussion of his dual allegiance or non-natural born citizen status.
The rhetorical devices used include the following:
The label “Birther”–used to dishonestly misinterpret and denigrate Article II and to promote the agenda that natural born Citizen’ means born in the USA’. By promoting this incomplete definition, the eligibility deniers further reveal the house of cards by which they judge Obama to be eligible’–an electronic image of a COLB that not only not a birth certificate, but is forged. Have our standards become so low? Yet a decorated, 18- year LTC Lakin could not have reported to the Pentagon for duty with an electronic image of a COLB.
The media has been the most important vehicle for the propaganda of a birth certificate’ and the acceptance of a forged, electronic image of a COLB as equivalent to a valid birth certificate. This focus on the birth certificate has removed the important concepts of allegiance, dual citizenship, and natural born citizenship’ from discussion and importantly, from the public’s understanding of the breach of Article II.
Here are some example’s of the media’s on-going deception:
The Baltimore Sun:
Lakin had become a hero of the “birther” movement when he refused to report for a second deployment to Afghanistan until he received an answer to his question of whether President Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen constitutionally eligible to be president.
Supporters of the movement say Obama, the first black president, was not born in Honolulu in August 1961. However, such conspiracy theories have largely been squelched, and the Obama campaign released his Hawaii birth certificate in 2008.
Deliberately ignored is the fact that Lakin had asked that his orders be verified as legal; that his military Chain of Command could not verify that they were; that the Judge refused to acknowledge this question as his motivation and refused him evidence based on it being embarrassing’ to the pResident; and that in the end, Lakin was sentenced for having asked a question. And, the Obama campaign did not release a birth certificate’. The absolute intellectual dishonesty of this reporter, and the newspaper who allows her to write, is on full display. The ethical lapse follows in providing an essentially untruthful report that perpetuates Obama’s usurpation.
The New York Times’ Maureen Dowd
We can always count on elitist Dowd’s intellectual dishonesty when reporting on anything related to Obama’s lack of Article II eligibility. Her fundamental ethical lapse is that she considers any examination of Obama’s eligibility loony’, with an underlying tone of racist’ despite clear and compelling evidence that he is not a natural born citizen. Her rhetorical devices’ appear to be name-calling, ascribing motives to people they don’t have, and diminishing the constitutional concerns regarding Obama.
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Before I begin this section, it is important to note that it has always been Barack Hussein Obama’s sole responsibility to prove himself not only to be an American citizen, but a natural born citizen. This is aside from the arrogance of citing that there is no law that requires me to prove myself’, or that no one is specifically responsible’ for ensuring Obama met the Article II constitutional requirements for the office. Failing to prove himself is the highest form of disrespect to the American people and a deliberate denigration of the Constitution. Because the natural born citizen clause is a national security safeguard for our nation, I conclude that Obama doesn’t give one whit for the security of America.
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The military court-martial of LTC Terrence Lakin was rife with intellectual dishonesty, on the part of the Judge, the prosecutor, and the defense attorneys. In the charging papers, the Army determined that LTC Lakin’s orders, orders from Obama, were presumed legal’. This was the very question that was asked by Lakin, and the army not only refused to answer the question, the Judge determined that an Officer’s request for this information was disallowed.
Let’s bring back the definition of presumed legal’ to highlight the intellectual dishonesty of Judge Lind, Lakin’s chain of command, the prosecution, and the defense:
‘Presumed legal‘is to take for granted that something is legal in the absence of information to the contrary.
Even a small modicum of research by Lakin’s chain of command would have easily elicited the voluminous information that exists which indicates Hussein is not a natural born citizen of the United States, and that there are numerous, credible legal challenges. This is just a basic list of information that exists indicating that Obama is not an Article II Natural Born Citizen:
Condition of dual allegiance at birth, verified by the State Department
Father’s citizenship
Lack of definitive proof of birth in HI
Proof that the COLB is a forgery and fake document
Adoption by Indonesian national
No documentation of name change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama II.
30 social security numbers associated with the Barack Obama who occupies the White House, his current one based upon someone who was born in 1890 in Connecticut.
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I wonder how it feels to these people to know they are defending a lie? Or to laugh at the conviction of a Patriot? To sit in a courtroom with the privileges of being an American, and actively tear down the system that nurtured. I know now what the phrase sick puppies’ means.
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I conclude that the Article II Constitutionalists, aka, Birthers, have won this argument of natural born citizen’ hands down. And we’ve done it through research, through using the proper means of challenge, and the only thing the opposition has succeed in doing is showing how shallow they are, and frankly, how un-American. In all their intellect’ they have been reduced to name calling, throwing sticks and stones, and inventing new ways to describe their flat earth’ , man-made’ mindset. To this day, and despite evidence to the contrary, these anti-Americans persist in grinding America down.
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-eligibility-deniers/
And more nonsense by a birther at the Lakin trial…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VYBgyE6iU&feature=player_embedded
More insane rantings by racist idiot “Lame Cherry”…This time she/he attacks the integrity of MG Horst…..
Two Fairy Star Maj. Gen. Karl Horst
Wednesday, December 22, 2010
As I compose this, the grinch of the military and the scrooge of the regime, in Maj. Gen. Karl Horst and B. Hussein Obama have suffered themselves to create a POW of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin in his defending the United States Constitution from all threats foreign and domestic.
Interestingly, Barack Hussein Obama is both a foreign and domestic threat in being a foreign subject of Britain and Indonesia, and within on a mission of destruction of these United States……
For the record, I located evidence which indeed is a psychological and command authority challenge to the kangaroo proceedings Karl Horst has tortured Terry Lakin with.
Not so amazing, the officer Horst has all of these photos of hisself standing with either undocumented B. Hussein Obama or his accompliced Aaron Burr Biden
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/12/two-fairy-star-maj-gen-karl-horst.html
And as usual “Dr Kate” shows us what she does when someone posts actual facts on her blog…
qwertyman
December 22, 2010 at 3:26 pm
It’s interesting that you accuse others of intellectual dishonesty for disputing your personal interpretation of the natural born citizenship clause.
those who were educated in civics in the 40′s and 50′s can recite that a natural born citizen is born in the country of two citizen parents.
This is your sole support for the proposition that natural born citizens must have two citizen parents AND be born in the US. For those of us who weren’t in grade school 60 or 70 years ago though, we look to what the courts and scholars and members of Congress have said.
To be blunt, there is not a single current judge, Congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor who agrees with your interpretation of the natural born citizenship clause. To the contrary, any expert who has spoken on the topic has invariably stated that anybody born in the US, with the exception of the children of diplomats or invading armies, are natural born citizens.
You may disagree with the entirety of the current legal academia at this point, but don’t accuse others of being intellectually dishonest just because they happen to agree with them.
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25 drkate
December 22, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Another example of intellectual dishonesty here–claiming that it is my’ interpretation of natural born citizen’. Yawn.
This guy is in spam.
attilasdaughter
December 22, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Alinsky schooled troll.
“Double-Yawn”
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27 attilasdaughter
December 22, 2010 at 3:58 pm
could You provide a link to the statements of those current judge, Congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor?
I would be interested in the quotes that say specifically that anybody born in the US (14th am.) is clearly a natural born citizen as required for the office of POTUS.
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-eligibility-deniers/
And of course it wouldn’t be a birther blog without the usual undocumented nonsense…
aprilnovember811
December 22, 2010 at 3:55 pm
qwertyman,
He wasn’t born in America. He was born in Mombasa, Kenya. I don’t need a court, judge, or Congress to confirm it for me. I was given a God given ability to reason. When he gave it to me, you, and others, it didn’t come with a disclaimer, “your ability to reason, and know the truth, must be confirmed by other human beings.
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At the end of August every member of Congress received by certified mail a copy of Hussein’s Kenyan birth certificate, with footprint. The silence is deafening. I think their lack of ability to accept the truth stems more from the fact that they were wrong. They know the fingers of the families of dead soldiers will be pointed at them asking, “Why didn’t you address this when people asked questions. My son, daughter, or husband died at the hands of someone who isn’t even American running a war?” They can’t accept that they failed.
My hope is that someday, we can have our own version of the Nuremberg Trials. Then maybe we can put, the people who did this where Dr. Lakin is. Karma will catch up with them. It always does.
I didn’t learn it that way then & this was even in a school south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
I just posted a note on her blog under my pseudonym, citing a conservative textbook from 1985 which equates native-born citizen with natural-born citizen and says nothing about a ‘two citizen parent” requirement. I also asked Dr. Kate if she can identify a single history or civics textbook which proclaims the “two citizen parent” requirement.
My alter ego likely will be banned, but at least it was posted.
Wow. …Just WOW. LMAO!
If this isn’t the textbook case of projection at its most extreme, I don’t know what is!
It is almost hard to take seriously how totally backwards everything is in her mind from reality!
If one didn’t truly understand how diseased the birther mind is, they would naturally assume her post to be complete satire and ironic parody.
Wow… birthers have become like anti-matter – or I guess anti-reality for that matter…. As in their viewpoints are the complete opposite of reality…
*yawn*. Well, that was a waste of time to watch, not surprisingly. The same tired, old cheezy music and poor sound/video quality and meaningless whines and conversations from the birther faithful.
They can’t even make their “documentaries” interesting in the least, can they?
For the second time, I was explaining why birthers pursue this argument (it would garner major media attraction that would cause many to doubt Obama’s veracity and trustworthiness), not that I believe it.
Talk about decline in critical-thinking skills….
I know what you’re re-telling and I care very little about the drooling of deranged, paranoid birther idiots of hypothetical issues.
Talk about something else and save your pettiness for your mirror chats.
Good Article regarding the birthers…
Column: Lt. Col. Terry Lakin fell victim to the sin of certainty, as do many prophets and pundits
By Joyce Pines | Kalamazoo Gazette
Snail mail brought me a package this week from Velma Garner Davies, who offers “13 Prophetic Messages” from God and his son Jesus in a weekly column, “Hot Off The Throne,” for the low, low price of just $35.
It piqued my interest, so I decided to check out her website. Turns out, Velma gets these columns directly from God. He speaks to her in her prayer language and she writes down what he has to say.
He also told her to start a syndicated column. So, according to her diary report, every three months for the past three years, she’s been mailing 13 prophetic messages to the 295 largest newspapers in the United States. This is not a cheap project, she writes, it costs her $800 for each mailing. No one has bought or published her columns yet, but the Almighty has told her to keep going.
A little while later, I spotted Maureen Dowd’s New York Times column, “Usurper in Chief?” about Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s court-martial for disobeying orders to return to Afghanistan. He argued the orders were illegal because Obama hadn’t produced his birth certificate and was therefore not a legally elected president with the power to order troops to military duty.
A military judge denied a request for both President Obama to testify and for his birth certificate to be entered as evidence. Faced with getting a dishonorable discharge and possibly losing his pension, Lakin changed his tune and admitted he was wrong not to obey orders.
But the people who agreed with Laken, and who support his position, were not deterred. And, like Velma, they remain steadfast in their conviction.
What is it that causes people to adhere to an unfounded position, even when there is compelling evidence to the contrary?
Jonah Lehrer, in his book, “How We Decide,” writes about what neuroscientists are learning about the brain and has a chapter called “The Brain Is an Argument.” He describes how making decisions can involve the brain having an argument with itself as emotions battle reason for dominance.
Some people, however, are unwilling to put up with the ongoing battle to make decisions. A brain that can’t stand uncertainty, Lehrer writes, “often tricks itself into thinking the wrong thing.”
The results of this are evident in politics among individuals who identify strongly with one political party.
Drew Weston, a psychologist at Emory University, studied voters prior to the 2004 election. Subjects who strongly identified as either Democrat or Republican were shown clearly contradictory statements by both presidential candidates John Kerry and President George Bush.
Democrats were bothered by Bush’s inconsistencies but not Kerry’s. Republicans were bothered by Kerry’s inconsistencies but not Bush’s.
Weston then used functional magnetic resonance imaging to examine the brains of the voters as they looked at the inconsistent statements and struggled to dismiss the evidence that made their preferred candidate look bad. What he saw is people employing different parts of their brain to help them block their emotional reactions to the inconsistencies and rationalize their certainty.
“At such moments,” Lehrer writes, “rationality actually becomes a liability, since it allows us to justify practically any belief.”
For example: God speaks to an individual in a special prayer language and urges her to spend $800 every three months to mail the message out. Or some refuse to accept the fact that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961.
Another psychologist,Philip Tetlock, decided to look at how often political pundits are right. He asked 284 people who make their living “commenting or offering advice on political and economic trends” to predict future events and rate possible outcomes. He then asked them about their thought processes. What he discovered is pundits tended to “perform worse than random choice” and the more famous the pundit, the more incorrect his predictions.
Why were these folks so wrong? Tetlock says it is because they suffer from the sin of certainty. In effect, they are so sure they are right, they ignore any evidence to the contrary.
“One of the best ways to distinguish genuine from phony expertise,” Lehrer says, is to look at how a person responds to data that disagrees with their mindset. Do they automatically reject it? Do they ignore it or change the subject to avoid admitting error?
The best pundits, Tetlock and Lehrer suggest, are those who are willing to test their theories, modify them when necessary to admit new facts and admit when they are wrong.
In short, that means keeping an open mind.
As for Velma’s claim that God is writing her columns; I admire her faith. But I would expect God to write in the first person and more eloquently than the following: “Yes, your God Jesus is a good God and is a very generous God.”
The message is fine, but the source is Velma.
As for the birth certificate, I’m not even going to go there.
http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/12/column_lt_col_terry_lakin_fell.html
What is more interesting is who shows up in the comments….Everytime you read an article regarding the birthers, if you look at the comments there is always the same core group of birthers that post. For instance ksdb and bstedman are 2 birthers that you find all over at every site….as well as ORYR….
And they always post the same nonsense….For instance…
B. Steadman December 20, 2010 at 10:51AM
From the article — “What is it that causes people (such as LTC Terry Lakin) to adhere to an unfounded position, even when there is compelling evidence to the contrary?” —
Barack Hussein Obama II was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii as he claims. A high resolution copy of his Kenyan birth certificate is available for free download at WasObamaBornInKenya.com
Evidence, which is considerably less “compelling” than the Kenyan document is the Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB) foisted upon a confused American public by Mr. Obama. It neither identifies nor bears a signature of the attending doctor and it does not even name the birth hospital. That internet image has already been changed 4 times and it does not give the date Accepted’ as it should, but only the date Filed’. Recent, specialized computer analysis of the original’ COLB displayed on DailyKOS shows that there is no indication of a Serial Number present on the layer beneath the black redact panel’, indicating forgery of the document.
Or even more hilarious is this winner from another known birther….The extent that they make stuff up and create a narrative that is false shows normal people the extent of their derangement….
ksdb December 20, 2010 at 12:48PM
To Joyce, there is no compelling evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. The real evidence shows he was born elsewhere or can’t prove he was born in Hawaii. It starts with a jpg that unnecessarily had the certificate number redacted. Then it leads to a set of photos that had EXIF data scrubbed and a certificate number that can’t be confirmed. The former director of the Hawaii Department of Health released two public statements … NEITHER of which says his alleged certification of live birth is legal or genuine. His own wife says Kenya is his home country. One of his political friends, Tammy Duckworth, was quoted in a story saying he was born in Indonesia. A high school newspaper story that contained comments from an interview with Obama’s sister (from the same high school where she works) says he was born in a different hospital than the one he currently claims. In a 1995 interview, Obama says he wasn’t named until his father left for Kenya (although it doesn’t say if it was the first or second time). Two known long form birth certificates contain certificate numbers showing Obama’s number is impossibly out of sequence. The state of Hawaii REFUSES to confirm who the factlack dot org certificate number belongs to, even though they have statutory authority to release the number and the name. A school record lists Obama under a different last name and as a citizen of Indonesia … which is the only available record declaring ANY citizenship for Obama. Kenyan parliament members made two separate, unrelated statements declaring Obama was born in Kenya. The state of Hawaii changed its disclosure law to AVOID releasing information about Obama that can otherwise be legally released. Several stories claim different years for when Obama moved to Indonesia and when his mother married his stepfather/adoptive father. The governor of Hawaii makes a public comment that a news release was issued saying Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital, but no such news release exists. The state department fails to provide all of Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport records, making an unsupported claim that some of the records were destroyed. An interview with SAD’s friend in Washington state puts SAD in Washington awkwardly soon after the baby was born with no apparent ability to care for the baby. School records and phone directory listings put SAD in Washington the entire time she was supposedly married to Obama’s father. Obama’s father is quoted extensively in a story about being involved in the Honolulu community, but fails to mention he has a local wife and child. The list goes on and on.
A piece of swiss cheese the size of Montana doesn’t have this many holes. Applying Occam’s Razor then, the simplest answer is that Obama cannot prove he was born in Hawaii and that he is hiding this information from the public, perhaps with help from others, wittingly and unwittingly. Don’t be one of these people helping to hide the truth. It’s time to demand full disclosure instead of pointlessly psychoanlayzing Obama’s skeptics.
That was an excellent article, BL! So true! The portion I excerpted above pretty much sums up the deficiency of the birther mindset and other misguided fools like them.
Personally, in addition to what the article points out, I’ve always suspected that personal insecurities and the resulting ego-defense mechanism come into play for these folks to always double-down on the stupid…
You do realize the title of this thread is “Conspiracy theories about Obama’s father”?
Dr. Kate wasted no time in banning me from her blog. One of the birthers there decided that I am actually a blogger named qwerty.
Yeah i lasted one post
That’s new to me, what’s the backstory on this rumor?
It’s made up, of course. This is the transcript to the 1995 interview. Obama doesn’t even mention how and when he was named.
http://www.eyeonbooks.com/obama_transcript.pdf
Poor Dr Kate, still doesn’t get this whole Internet thing….I keep posting a simple question, the same I posed to “The Second Worst Lawyer in the World” (dear Mario the Putz) at CAAFLOG.
Could you name any justice in the last 100 years OR an Constitutional scholar of same who agrees with your bizarre and wholly unsustainable view on Presidential eligibility
She keeps trying to censor it, I keep reposting it and she is plainly hating it and me……8-)
I feel a “God Bless” coming on…..to channel another Birfoon…..
Sure she does – it’s a great platform for her to spew her hate for the president… Plus she can moderate her little fiefdom to create an environment where she can call her opponents intellectually dishonest and not have the thread overwhelmed by comments giving evidence of how ironic that is.
By the way, I sent you (Bovril) an email about a week ago and got an automated vacation response back – I was just wondering if you had seen it…
Slarti,
Looks like it got caught in the mail filters……
I’ve moved your email address to “accept come what may” …..8-)
I’ll answer the Violence/Sedition weighting question via email.
From the LA Times….
For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama ‘birthers’ is a top priority
Democrat Neil Abercrombie, who knew Obama’s parents, is determined to torpedo the conspiracy theory. Underlying his effort may be a desire to dispel the view that Hawaiians aren’t Americans in the same way as mainlanders.
By Michael A. Memoli, Washington Bureau
December 24, 2010
Reporting from Honolulu
Neil Abercrombie knew Barack Obama’s parents when the future president was born here in 1961, and he has been aggravated by the so-called birther movement, which alleges Obama was not born in the United States and thus should be expelled from office.
Now Abercrombie has an office of his own — he became governor of Hawaii on Dec. 6. — and he intends to do something about it.
What, exactly, is unclear. But in an interview this week at the state Capitol, he left little doubt that torpedoing the conspiracy theorists was a priority.
“What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons,” said Abercrombie, 72. “Maybe I’m the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’ ”
One of Abercrombie’s aides said the governor is voicing the frustration of many Hawaiians who continue to be troubled by the rumors, which they see as emblematic of the view that Hawaiians are not Americans in the same way as those who live in the continental United States.
Abercrombie’s Hawaiian pride may be trumping practical politics. Ample evidence has been produced to discredit the “birther” movement, so in the view of the White House, the Democratic governor’s comments are reviving an issue that most people see as resolved.
Although Abercrombie’s goal may be to support Obama, experts who study political extremism say the release of additional evidence would only perpetuate the conspiracy theory. They say people who embrace such theories are guided by suspicion and, therefore, view any contrary evidence as part of the conspiracy.
Abercrombie, a native of Buffalo, N.Y., arrived in 1959 to study sociology at the University of Hawaii. As a teaching assistant, he met and befriended Obama’s father, a native of Kenya.
Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Kansas and met and married his father, also named Barack, when the two were college students in Hawaii. Obama was born at Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.
But in 2008, as Obama ran for president, critics posted allegations online, without proof, that he was born in Kenya.
That June, the Obama campaign released a certificate of live birth, an official document from the Hawaii Health Department certifying the facts of a person’s birth, as proof of his birthplace. Investigations by two prominent fact-checking organizations, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org, concluded that the certificate was authentic. FactCheck also turned up a 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser marking the birth of a son to “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of Kalanianaole Hwy.”
But the Hawaii birth document, dated 2007 and generated at the request of the Obama campaign, was insufficient for some of Obama’s detractors. They demand the release of his original birth certificate, which in Hawaii is not a public record. Several lawsuits have been filed seeking to force Obama to disclose more information, but they have been routinely dismissed by courts.
Bills have been introduced in state legislatures that would require presidential candidates to document that they were born in this country. One was passed by the Arizona House of Representatives in April. Similar legislation was introduced in Congress in 2009 and failed to gain traction, but the attempt troubled Abercrombie.
“More than demonization — this is self-evisceration of politics,” said Abercrombie, who raised the birthplace issue unprompted during the interview. “Empires fall and countries fall when that takes the place of discourse.”
In Hawaii, the efforts to challenge Obama’s birthplace still burden the state government with endless requests for further documentation, officials have said. Abercrombie’s predecessor, Republican Linda Lingle, in May signed legislation that allowed the state to ignore repeated nuisance inquiries.
“If I were the governor, I would call a press conference, I’d pull out all the records I have and show the world he was born in Hawaii,” said state Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat who sponsored that bill.
But the state has consistently held that releasing all of Obama’s records would be a violation of its citizens’ confidentiality, and that privacy rights should not be sacrificed to appease extreme views. Espero said he understands that stance and noted that the conspiracy theories have ebbed.
But the movement made news this month, when a former Army officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, was dismissed from the military and sentenced to six months in military prison after he refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he claimed Obama may be ineligible to serve as president.
“When you look at the certification of live birth … you don’t find the name of the doctor, hospital or signature,” said prominent “birther” Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and dentist. “We’ve asked to see the original one that is still sealed.”
Taitz said she is willing to debate Abercrombie on national television and “let the American people decide.”
An Abercrombie aide said the governor has not taken action to address the birth issue because he is focusing on his transition and preparing a budget for a state facing a deficit.
Any action by Abercrombie, who spent 19 years representing Hawaii’s 1st District as one of the more liberal members of Congress, would not be his first response to the “birther” controversy.
Last year, he sponsored a congressional resolution honoring the 50th anniversary of Hawaiian statehood, which included language stating, “Whereas the 44th president of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii.”
It passed unanimously.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama-birthers-20101224,0,3744847.story
And for the birhters regarding their saint Issa going after the birth certificate, I guess he didn’t get the memo….
“Rep. Darrell Issa is finally getting what he has long craved: subpoena power. From his new perch atop the committee responsible for oversight investigations, the California Republican will be able to demand any document he wishes and summon anybody to appear before him – no small thing for a man who recently referred to President Obama as “one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times.”
Even so, there’s one thing Issa says he won’t subpoena: Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
“Mine is not the committee that asks where the president was born,” Issa said in an interview. “It doesn’t ask what ministers that he went to think. All that stuff is a distraction. I’m not the overseer of the president.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121803396.html
Ahhh,
Obviously Soros has “gotten” to him as well….the conspiracy expands….>8-)
More birther legal interpretation….
tfb
December 24, 2010 at 12:49 am
Let’s entertain this ridiculous notion of Congress defining NBC as something other than jus soli jus sanguinis both parents…
If they say it’s a one citizen parent citizen at birth, then they can’t explain why those were ineligible after the ratification.
They can’t explain the holding in Minor which means no 14ther can be NBC.
They can’t explain SR511 which Obama agrees to that says 2 US Citizen parents are required for NBC.
They can’t explain US Code 1401 — see if a one parent Citizen child is allowed and specified then they’re sayinga 2 US citizen parents/jus soli situation is NOT ELIGIBLE since it’s not listed in USC1401.
They can’t explain US v WKA which holds that a native born child of an ALIEN (like Obama’s father) is never a natural born Citizen.
and most of all they can’t define “CITIZEN” because oath naturalized citizens did not exist until after 1790.
There is no way that NBC can mean a one US citizen parent.
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91 tfb
December 24, 2010 at 12:50 am
and in Obama’s case, he was not even born in the USA
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-eligibility-deniers/#comments
Bov, of course….The conspiracy keeps growing….Kind of like the old sci fi show “the Invaders”….Everyone is in on it…
And speaking of Steve Cee, aka Steve Craig….
tfb
December 23, 2010 at 8:54 pm
slcraig, there are 5 possible permutations of blood (citizen parent) and soil (born in-country)
no blood, no soil
1 blood, no soil
1 blood, yes soil
2 bloods, no soil
all of these are covered by US Code 1401, and by A2S1C5, and all are NOT natural born citizens
the only possible remainder is
2 bloods, yes soil
so yes, it is defined by A2S1C5 and no, it’s not a political question
what do you think? that if the political winds shift it can be 3 bloods born on moon?
I mean really, how fucking stupid are these bots?
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114 slcraig
December 23, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Well. 1st, watch your language when you are responding to me.
to me.
And it IS a fact’ that there is NO legally acknowledged’ definition of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen.
No Statutes promulgated from any Legislative Act, no Declaratory Statement or Judgment emanating from the Judiciary, no Executive Order signed, only the lonely words in the Article, Section and Clause.
In that we are Governed under a system of the Rule of Law this situation presents a cunundrum of the 1st order.
Your little chart above would be very difficult to support in a legal breif before a Judge and even harder to defend against an opposition brief, I know because I asserted the same in my 1st case that the definition could be distilled’ by finding’ what is not in the Title 8 citizenship and collective naturalization’ statutes.
You think you have the answers but then you deny the question.
It is ONLY a political question when it is in the CONTEXT of eligibility and that is only a transient aspect’ of the nature of an NBC, unless you are saying being elected to POTUS makes one an NBC. In that case there is only ONE NBC in America at any given time.
Is that what you mean that it is ONLY a political question.
I think not.
In order to ‘guide’ the Court to to the proper and correct definition of NBC it must be confined as to where it can look.
excerpt;
“…[I]t is not necessary for the Plaintiff to assert a definition, meaning and intent of the subject idiom, and, notwithstanding the documents attached to the N-600 Application for Certification of Citizenship indicating that Plaintiff is in conformity to the Constitutional usage of natural born Citizen and the statements and citations previously submitted in support of the assertion, Plaintiff makes no further assertions as to the legal’ Constitutional definition, meaning and intent of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen, but rather, Plaintiff asserts that it is the duty and obligation of this court, under the Oaths of Office, to seek, determine, define and Declare the legal’ Constitutional definition, meaning and intent of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen as found in Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, while looking narrowly to the Founding Documents, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitutions of the various States and the Constitution its-self, acknowledging the lack of any Amendments or Statutes that may have abridged, enlarged and or modified the idiom in any way since the day it was written into the Clause of the Constitution, notwithstanding the repeal of the 1790 naturalization Act by the Congress of 1795.”
The was not a jus soli’ automatic grant of citizenship present in ANY State on in ANY Federal Statute prior to the 14th Amendment, albeit jus soli’ is a requisite circumstance in the nature of an NBC.
I have studied EVERY State Constitution prior to the 14th along with EVERY Federal Act as regards citizenship and naturalization as well as marriage laws, because that is what it takes to prevail, under the RULE of LAW.
Good finds as usual in your recent posts, BL!
If Ambercrombie’s passion to refute the birthers nonsense continues to play out, I’m sure that will become worthy of several blog posts on here in its own right. I can understand his frustration with this silly nonsense issue, but as the article pointed out, birthers are never deterred by facts or reality:
On Issa –
LOL! Yeah, Issa may be a determined politically motivated attack dog, out to waste governments time and resources on baseless wild goose chases for the sole purpose of trying to harm the President’s reputation… but not even he is foolish enough to touch the utter nonsense claims of the Birthers!
That should be fun to watch and will probably also merit several blogs of its own next year, I’m sure. If the birthers remain true to form, they will just continue to get more and more enraged and harassing of Issa and his offices as he continues to blow them off…
Re: tfb’s delusions:
All I can say is yet another example where up is down in the Birtherverse and their version of events seems to be directly opposite of reality. Just sad.
People that desperately cling to such a starkly polar opposite view of the world should be considered completely mentally ill, IMHO. It really boggles my mind how such folks can even function in society without constantly harming themselves.
The only question here is whether Craig is lying when when he says he studied all this material, or whether he is lying about what it says. The immediate counterexample that comes to mind is Virginia.
LAWS OF VIRGINIA, MAY 1779−−3d OF COMMONWEALTH.
I am personally not aware of ANY state citizenship requirement for citizen parents for someone born in the state. (I hope that Mr. Craig is not trying to exclude Barack Obama from the jus soli tradition because he is not white.)
Thanks….As we can see with Abercrombie he is trying to end the birther nonsense but we can all guess that the birthers will claim that he is just covering up for Obama. They refuse to accept the fact that he knew Mr and Mrs Obama when the President was born. And as far as the birther’s unique and wrong view on the law and the constitution, we discover that they live in that Star Trek alternate universe with the evil Federation, where up is down and the Constitution doesn’t say what it really says….
Doc, Steve Cee is delusional. He is like BZ, he claims to have read all of the laws relative to this issue but has already made his mind up that Obama is guilty.
All this reading I just completed and no true answer. So the wheel keeps turning and I keep reading. When will we find out the truth? In 25 years or so,just like the JFK assination. I`ll be dead and gone. My hopes are that Obama gets thrown out or imprisoned before he corrupts our America any futher.
What truth are you talking about? All I can ascertain from your post is that you look for conspiracies and desperately wish to have one because for whatever reason, you personally can’t stand Obama.
No one said you have to like the man or agree with his policies. There’s nothing he’s done that comes anywhere close to being illegal, so your desires to see someone you simply don’t like be “thrown out” or “imprisioned” have no basis in fact or law and only in the sad rot within your own dark heart.
Your post says more about your own petty obsessions and nothing about existing presidents. If you have to desperately obsess with needing to find some mystery fantasy conspiracy to harm or get rid of people you simply don’t like, don’t understand or disagree with…
…well, then the only truth to your post is the part where you said dead and gone. Because that will eventually happen, but none of your sick fantasies will come true.
I completely agree with you. I found Obama’s authentic Kenya BC! Hope this helps. Thanks for visiting.
Assination? JFK had hemorrhoids? Our America? Do you mean white America?
Translated: “All this reading I just completed and no answer that I can bear to accept.”