The occasional open thread

Posted on December 25, 2010 by Dr. Conspiracy

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  1. Daniel says:
    December 25, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    From the other open thread. Just to make sure Squeeky had fair chance to respond……

    Daniel December 25, 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Because I know I told you all about it. Plus have you read any of my Internet Articles yet??? Did you like them??? Were they good???

    How could I have read them if you’ve never mentioned them before just now? Do you expect me to have read your mind? If you had wanted me to read something you should have mentioned it to me before this. Maybe you should have made a post here mentioning it. Some indication that you had written articles before this date would have been nice.

    I’m a reasonable person, but you can’t expect me to read something when you’d never even bothered to tell us you’d written anything at all, to any blog. You’ve never even bothered to mention you were a “girl reporter”!

  2. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 25, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Thank you Dr. C!!! Plus Merry Christmas!!!

    i just think Daniel made a mistake and never saw the things I said. All the thread thingies I got on always turned out so long. The first one that I save so I could study up for the next debate was like 300 pages!!! Plus, maybe I should have bragged more about my website but it didn’t seem like the right thing to do.

    It is just my sad fate that I must suffer where I write all this good stuff and sometimes even when my fingers are soooo sore and torn up from practicing guitar that I can barely even move them to type the words and then nobody even notices them or reads them. But that is just some of the suffering that artists have to go through I guess. I will probably have to suffer some more when I start writing songs and stuff, and doing the Squeekonomics thingy. Which somebody famous actually said the same thing I did about the Rich People Being Like Mattresses!!!

    Plus, I remember now telling Misha about the Belladonna poem too and asking him if he wanted to put it on his website.

    Plus whoever it was who disagreed with Michael, I think I did, too. It was the Vattle Birthers Should Just STFU Internet Article, I think???

    OH, I am just soooo stuffed with food!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  3. dunstvangeet says:
    December 25, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Squeeky, it goes to burden of proof. Just as there are burden of proofs for proving that you are a citizen (by the way, that is a preponderance of the evidence). Obama has proven, even you admit, to a preponderance of the evidence (I personally think he’s proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but I’ll start with yours). So, you’re stating that Obama has to have a higher burden of proof to prove his citizenship than what the government requires other people to prove their citizenships? 8 CFR 341.2(c) establishes that the burden of proof on Citizenship is Preponderance of the Evidence.

    So, please say it with me, Squeeky, “Obama has proved that he’s eligible for the Presidency.”

    Obama has proved that he’s a Natural Born Citizen to the standard set out by Federal Law.

    Nobody has ever doubted that Obama is either over 35-years-old, or that he’s been a resident for 14 years.

    So, Obama has proven beyond the requirements of Federal Law that he’s eligible to be President, even with your “60% likely” that he was born in the United States.

  4. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 25, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    dunstvangeet: Squeeky, it goes to burden of proof.Just as there are burden of proofs for proving that you are a citizen (by the way, that is a preponderance of the evidence).Obama has proven, even you admit, to a preponderance of the evidence (I personally think he’s proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but I’ll start with yours).So, you’re stating that Obama has to have a higher burden of proof to prove his citizenship than what the government requires other people to prove their citizenships?8 CFR 341.2(c) establishes that the burden of proof on Citizenship is Preponderance of the Evidence.So, please say it with me, Squeeky, “Obama has proved that he’s eligible for the Presidency.”Obama has proved that he’s a Natural Born Citizen to the standard set out by Federal Law.Nobody has ever doubted that Obama is either over 35-years-old, or that he’s been a resident for 14 years.So, Obama has proven beyond the requirements of Federal Law that he’s eligible to be President, even with your “60% likely” that he was born in the United States.

    I don’t know about that Dust many birthers seem to go beyond the point of saying he wasn’t born here but claim he’s not even a citizen and is an illegal alien. To that point I think even if Obama released mountains upon mountains of evidence they’ll just jump to another theory like saying that Obama should prove he’s actually over 35 years old or that he was legally in the United States over 14 years.

  5. dunstvangeet says:
    December 25, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    I don’t know about that Dust many birthers seem to go beyond the point of saying he wasn’t born here but claim he’s not even a citizen and is an illegal alien.To that point I think even if Obama released mountains upon mountains of evidence they’ll just jump to another theory like saying that Obama should prove he’s actually over 35 years old or that he was legally in the United States over 14 years.

    Yes, but usually those theories directly violate previous Supreme Court precedent such as Perkins v. Elg (which states that a 6-year-old cannot lose his citizenship due to the actions of another person) or U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (which states that anybody born in the United States is a citizen).

    I’m just trying to get Squeeky to admit that Barack Obama has proven his citizenship to the standard that’s required by the Federal Government. I know that she’s already said this, but I want her to say the exact words.

    So, Squeeky, come and say it with me. Barack Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President.

  7. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 25, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Dr. Ken and Duns:

    Maybe this idea will help you. Why don’t you make a list! Just like for Christmas! Two columns. OK, here is the titles you put at the top of the two columns:

    Column A:

    Evidence That Obama Has PERSONALLY Provided to Prove Where He Was Born

    Column B:

    Who Obama provided the Evidence To.

    Just keep it real simple, because I bet there is just one thing on the list, but I could be wrong. I am not perfect, believe it or not.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  8. Sef says:
    December 25, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Just keep it real simple, because I bet there is just one thing on the list, but I could be wrong. I am not perfect, believe it or not.

    And why should there be more than one item? Especially one that says it is prima facie evidence.

  9. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Sef:

    Just try it. If you are real industrious you can even put a date on the all the evidence he has presented.

    I triple dog dare you!!! (I saw that on Christmas Story last night before the poor little kid got his tongue stuck to light pole.)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  10. dunstvangeet says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Squeeky, say it with me…

    You’ve said that it’s more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States…

    I’ve shown you that all that is required to prove citizenship is a preponderance of the evidence.

    So, Obama has proved himself, in your own mind, to the Federal Standard required to prove citizenship.

    That’s a simple fact.

    Now, say it with me, or are you too scared to admit what you already have proven. Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President…

  11. Sef says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:30 am

    dunstvangeet: Squeeky, say it with me…You’ve said that it’s more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States…I’ve shown you that all that is required to prove citizenship is a preponderance of the evidence.So, Obama has proved himself, in your own mind, to the Federal Standard required to prove citizenship.That’s a simple fact.Now, say it with me, or are you too scared to admit what you already have proven.Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President…

    Maybe she’s part of the 29% http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/12/poll-what-are-you-afraid-of/#comment-83431

  12. Whatever4 says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Here’s a stab at who has seen President Obama’s proof of birth or proof of citizenship, remembering that proof of citizenship/birth is required for jobs and travel outside the US:

    Baskin Robbin’s Manager, Honolulu, HI 1970s.
    Social Security Administration, 1970s.
    SATs 1970s
    Occidental College, 1979
    Columbia University, 1981
    Business International Corporation 1983
    New York Public Interest Research Group 1984
    Developing Communities Project 1985
    LSATs 1980s
    Harvard Law School 1988
    Sidley & Austin 1989
    Hopkins & Sutter 1990
    University of Chicago Law School 1991
    City of Chicago Marriage License Bureau 1992
    Illinois Project Vote 1992
    Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland 1993
    Illinois Senate 1996
    US Senate 2005

    US State Department — multiple times, for passports as a child and adult, Official passport for Senate travel, and Diplomatic passport as President
    US Customs for multiple trips returning to the US from foreign countries
    Foreign Passport Control agencies for trips outside the US

    Staffers, Obama presidential Campaign
    Factcheck.org, 2008
    Posted online 2008

  13. Whatever4 says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Added:

    Illinois Bar Exam
    Illinois Department of Motor Vehicles
    Hawaii Department of Motor Vehicles

  14. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Oh, everybody is sure up late!!! I have just joined a Gypsy Guitar place so that I can learn to do Dark Cabaret stuff. I learned a brand new GYPSY chord today called CMajor7 and it is a lot easier than the regular American C7! Sooo now I can do Aminor, C (American), Eminor, and CMajor7!!! Plus there are some that I can do from pictures of them on the songs, but they are all pretty much the same you just do them all up and down the thing but I am trying to figure out how to do Dark Town Sally by Amoree Lovell who is where Goth meets Ragtime and I bet it has some Gypsy Chords in it. Plus there was a Gypsy who played with only 2 fingers, so if I have to duck tape three of my fingers, I bet I can learn to play his stuff.

    This isn’t off gps because it is a OPEN thread!!!

    OKAY, so back to this Birther stuff you Obots are just soooo obsessed about. One thing you have to have to have a preponderance of evidence is a COURT!!! DUH!!! Sooo, outside of court there really isn’t a preponderance of evidence standard. People can just believe or not believe based on their own mind. So using LOGIC, you have to admit that this is like comparing apples and amphibians (which is on television right now on a movie which Fut would like.)

    Plus, if you were going to do this like court, then you would have to WEIGH the evidence for and against stuff. This might be how you make up your mind one way or another, but it isn’t a LEGAL thing. Just a human opinion thing.

    Sooo, if anybody knows the chords to Dark Town Sally, I would sure appreciate it!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  15. G says:
    December 26, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Whatever4: Added:
    Illinois Bar Exam
    Illinois Department of Motor Vehicles
    Hawaii Department of Motor Vehicles

    Furthermore, you should add potentially, various SOS during the state’s registration processes for the 2008 presidential campaign.

    We simply do not know what documentation many of them received or reviewed during the process as that is their purview, not ours. It reasonably stands that if any required such, then Obama’s campaign provided a certified copy directly to them. After all, that is the likely purpose in anticipation, for which the campaign requested said document from HI in 2007.

  16. dunstvangeet says:
    December 26, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Actually, Squeeky, you don’t have to have a court for a preponderance of the evidence. You’ve already agreed that it’s more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States. That’s all that matters.

    So, let me hear you say this, Squeeky…

    As far as you’re concerned, Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President. Your entire thing on the court is idiotic. I don’t need a court to see what Obama has actually done. I don’t ned a court to tell me what happens.

    Oh, and if this was ever to get into court, this is the only thing that would be admitted. Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, that was issued in 2007, signed by Alvin T. Onaka, and having the seal of the Hawaii Department of Health.

    Just say it with me, and you’ll feel better. As far as you’re concerned, Obama is eligible to be President.

  17. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 1:30 am

    Duns:

    IF Obama was born in either Hawaii or Conneticut, then he is eligible to be president. If Obama’s PICTURE of a COLB on the Internet is a real, honest copy, then he is eligible to be president.

    (Is that what you are after??? Because I am not a Vattle Birther or British Citizen Birther.)

    BTW (Which means By The Way) do you play guitar??? I am trying to figure out a song.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  18. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 26, 2010 at 1:45 am

    FYI, C7 and Cmaj7 are not the same chord. Cmaj7 uses the true 7th tone of the scale (B), and C7 uses the flatted 7th tone (B flat.). The two are tonally different, and you cannot interchange them.

    C7 = 1 (C), 3 (E), 5 (G), flat 7 (B flat)

    Cmaj7 = 1 (C), 3 (E), 5 (G), 7 (B)

    I see your knowledge of music theory is as wanting as your knowledge of birth certificates, and it looks as though now that you are getting your information about both from unreliable sources.

  19. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Fut:

    Like always, you DIDN’T read what i said!!! I already knew they were not the same. The Gypsy CMajor7 is real easy to play because it is just two fingers!!! But the American C7 takes 4 fingers like the B7 and the whatever thingy chord from Under the Milky way, which is a E Minor plus two fingers on some other strings.But the rest of it is Aminor which I am a expert at, and one that is like a C, just over one set of strings. F something or another. OH, F Major 7, so I guess it is a Gypsy Chord, too.

    Have you ever heard Dark Town Sally??? I think it starts out with Eminor, then C, the G which I can do with two fingers, not 3 yet. All American ones.

    It is by Amoree Lovell. Do you need a linky thingy??? Plus, if there are lyrics anywhere, it would sure be helpful. A lot of songs you can find on the Internet that have the words and pictures of the chords.

    Plus, Merry Christmas!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  20. Daniel says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:03 am

    SqueekyFromm: i just think Daniel made a mistake and never saw the things I said.

    I’ve made no mistake. The facts are the facts and the fact is until today you never mentioned your articles or blogs, or that you were a girl reporter. Why are you spending so much time and effort denying what you know to be true? What are you hiding?

  21. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Merry Christmas to you as well. You can find lyrics by googling them. Leave a link to the song here, and I’ll look at it when I have time, which I don’t have now.

  22. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Daniel:

    You just accidentally overlooked the stuff. Dr. C found a bunch of links to where I have said it before. It is not a big deal, because the threads I have been on here are always very long ones. Believe me, because I studied the first one like crazy sooo I could learn to debate you Obots better on my own. Plus, somebody here, I forget who, complains that I am tricking them to go to my website, which has a chilling effect on my speech.

    Did you have a Merry Christmas??? Do you play guitar???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  23. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Fut:

    Here is the linky thingy to Dark Town Sally:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bu4axWD7k

    I have just looked all over for the chords and exact lyrics or maybe just pictures of the chords. If you can’t figure it out I will understand. It is pretty hard, and I bet there are some Gypsy Chords in it, too, where is goes up higher.

    Thank You!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  24. Daniel says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:13 am

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:

    You just accidentally overlooked the stuff. Dr. C found a bunch of links to where I have said it before.

    I didn’t overlook them. Those have been altered to make it look like you mentioned your articles etc. before today. It’s no coincidence that at the same time those posts were altered, this board saw a rather suspicious “software glitch” that forced to other open thread to be closed off, very conveniently.

    It’s obvious that you’ve taken a lot of care and effort to cover your tracks to maintain the illusion that you previously mentioned your articles. The fact is that it’s very plain that you haven’t mentioned them prior to today, as Doc’s post clearly shows.

  25. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:21 am

    Daniel:

    Check out Dr. Taitz’s website and her facebook pages. Plus I did “Ich Bin Ein Birther” at Free Republic. Plus other places like Dr. Kates and I even put one Citizen Wells. But the important thing is did you read them yet??? Did you like them??? Were they good??? How about the Squeekonomics one??? How Rich People Are Like Mattresses???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  26. Daniel says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:28 am

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:

    Check out Dr. Taitz’s website and her facebook pages. Plus I did “Ich Bin Ein Birther” at Free Republic. Plus other places like Dr. Kates and I even put one Citizen Wells.

    Really? You expect me to trust a birther site? What’s to stop them from putting up fake posts after the fact to make it look like you’ve been talking about your articles all along? I know you birthers stick together.

    Let’s face it, if you have the resources to alter Doc’s site and screw up his software like you did today, there’s certainly nothing stopping you from altering those other sites too.

    Nope, sorry Squeeky, you’ll have to do better than that to be able to make a case for having mentioned your articles before this.

    Why don’t you just admit you haven’t? What’s the big deal? Why the subterfuge? What are you hiding?

  27. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:35 am

    Daniel:

    I understand. You can just never be too sure about what you see on the Internet. I even did a real good post about the Treachery of Images which is here:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/famous-dead-french-artist-supports.html

    But I understand if you feel safer just going to wiki. The famous dead french artist is named Rene Magritte, and he may even have his own website.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  28. Daniel says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:57 am

    So you admit then that you lied when you claimed you mentioned your articles before today.

  29. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:12 am

    No, Daniel. I am just externally validating your personal freedom to be suspicious. I am glad to see a Obot approach the Internet with more skepticism. Goodness knows in these days and times a little paranoia is a good thing. You would be surprised at some of the stuff that has been put over on us as Americans. Wall Street, for example, is really screwing us over tight now and there are little brown-nosers are all over the place, and would you believe this, they are actually basing their Economy ideas on a FICTIONAL novel about trains by a dead Russian atheist!!!

    I even see them on Fox News and OH I wish I was there to just tear into them!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  30. Daniel says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:22 am

    SqueekyFromm: No, Daniel. I am just externally validating your personal freedom to be suspicious.

    More weaselling and backpeddling.

    Don’t you think people deserve the truth?

    What are you trying to hide behind your facade of “reasonableness”?

  31. dunstvangeet says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:26 am

    Squeeky, now let’s see if you can put it all together…

    You believe that it is more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States…

    The burden of proof on citizenship is Preponderance of the Evidence…

    So, if you were the judge, you’d have to conclude that Obama was born in the United States, correct?

    So, according to you, Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President.

  32. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 26, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Daniel: Those have been altered to make it look like you mentioned your articles etc. before today.

    OK, you lost me on this one. It’s not possible for commenters here to change the comments after they are posted and I certainly have no reason to change them.

  33. aarrgghh says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    OK, you lost me on this one. It’s not possible for commenters here to change the comments after they are posted and I certainly have no reason to change them.

    i think daniel may be pulling someone’s leg …

  34. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    OK, you lost me on this one. It’s not possible for commenters here to change the comments after they are posted and I certainly have no reason to change them.

    Doc daniel is making a comparison to the birther movements theories of why obamas colb isn’t real

  35. Majority Will says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    OK, you lost me on this one. It’s not possible for commenters here to change the comments after they are posted and I certainly have no reason to change them.

    According to birthers like Mad Dentist Taitz, the Greeley Gazette and others, Magic, All Powerful Obots are erasing vital information pointing to the truth including changing search results from Google databases. Hence, Doc, your site would not be immune to this omnipotent hacking and obfuscation.

    Evidently, the conspiracy is very, very deep and vast. But you knew that! 😉

  36. Sef says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Majority Will:
    According to birthers like Mad Dentist Taitz, the Greeley Gazette and others, Magic, All Powerful Obots are erasing vital information pointing to the truth including changing search results from Google databases. Hence, Doc, your site would not be immune to this omnipotent hacking and obfuscation.Evidently, the conspiracy is very, very deep and vast. But you knew that!

    Yes, it is possible, but only for someone who has memorized both the ASCII & EBCDIC tables & can key in a boot loader from memory.

  37. Northland10 says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Doc, sorry for OT, but I thought I would at least give Sqeeky a partial, answer to her OT. Feel free to drop in the comment dump or delete it.

    SqueekyFromm: Have you ever heard Dark Town Sally??? I think it starts out with Eminor, then C, the

    BTW, the Cmaj7 would not work in this song. My guitar experience is limited so I cannot help with chord fingering but the progression is: e minor, C, G, a minor, B7 (in a crunch, if is easier a B chord without the 7 would do).

    For future help, however, I would recommend a guitar and music theory blog and not a Obama Conspiracy blog.

  38. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Northland:

    Thank you!!! I will try those out. B7 is hard one that takes all four fingers. But I am not sure if you can legally be OT if is a Open Thread??? Because doesn’t that mean you can just talk about anything??? Plus music makes you use the side of your brain that you don’t use in math and fractions, which makes both sides work better I have heard. Plus I am a INTP which means that I can do both sides of my brain.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  39. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    dunstvangeet: Squeeky, now let’s see if you can put it all together…You believe that it is more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States…The burden of proof on citizenship is Preponderance of the Evidence…So, if you were the judge, you’d have to conclude that Obama was born in the United States, correct?So, according to you, Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President.

    Duns, you are just mixing your metaphors logically speaking. Preponderances are stuff for court not real life necessarily. Here is you a example to teach you.

    Any given night there are a whole bunch of people who drive drunk. Maybe like 10% of drivers or something. Most of these do not have accidents or kill anybody. So if way more than 50% (which is the same as one half) do not hurt anybody, by your way of looking at stuff a preponderance of drunk driving doesn’t hurt anybody, so why is it against the law???

    Because by a preponderance of evidence, drunk driving is safe. Sooo see how your way of looking at stuff is kind of wrong???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  40. dunstvangeet says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Squeeky, you’re the one wanting a legal standard for Obama being eligible for being President. I gave you one, Preponderance of the Evidence. Now, you move the goal posts and want Obama to prove his eligibility in a way that no other President has had to. You also want a court to step in and tell you what in your heart, you already know, and if all the evidence that was presented to you, you’d have to rule yourself.

    Why can’t you say it, Squeeky? Why are you avoiding saying it? You’ve already admitted that it’s more likely than not that Obama was born in the United States. Guess what, that is the legal standard. I don’t know why you can’t say it, and why you’re avoiding the issue.

    It’s not that hard. Here, I’ll get you started.

    Obama is constitutionally…

  41. Dave says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Taitz has cut and pasted a new Guardian article about birthers onto her blog, and here is my favorite part:

    Taitz said that she was now trying to turn the Lakin story into a musical, and is appealing for Andrew Lloyd Webber to contact her.

  42. Dave says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    On further thought, I think a musical really isn’t enough — Lakin really should be canonized. Could someone get the Pope to call me so we can discuss this?

  43. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Duns:

    The legal standard for being president is to be 35 years old, and somebody who is born in America. Plus something else about living here??? That is your legal standard. I didn’t see “preponderance of evidence” in the Constitution. Did I miss something???

    What you are talking about is COURT stuff that you do in court. I don’t think you would just walk into court and have somebody say “I think there is a 60% chance he was born in the United States” and then Obama’s lawyer would just turn to the jury and say “There it is folks! We win!”

    This inability to think clearly is one of the problems that you Obots have. You just jump to your conclusions and think that is all there is to it. That is why you miss soooo much. For example, the new Hawaii governor stuff he is saying. That is juts going right OVER you heads. Because if you were really able to get the big picture, you would see that what Abercrombie is saying backs up my KISS analysis. That something is really fishy about Obama.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  44. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Dave: Taitz has cut and pasted a new Guardian article about birthers onto her blog, and here is my favorite part:

    It could be done like the producers! Oh Springtime for Germany!

  45. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Dave: Taitz has cut and pasted a new Guardian article about birthers onto her blog, and here is my favorite part:

    Taitz said that she was now trying to turn the Lakin story into a musical, and is appealing for Andrew Lloyd Webber to contact her.

    OH, I could just sooo help do this!!! I have even thought of two songs already, that I would have to turn into musical numbers, but this would be soooo much fun!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  46. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    In order to make a case in court you have to meet the legal standards. You appear to be under the impression that the President has the duty to present evidence of his eligibility to the Court or to the likings of those who continue to deny him as being our duly elected President.

    The simple facts are that the President was found eligible by the people, the electoral college and finally the Congress certified the vote count, failing to raise any objections based on eligibility.

    Now it’s impossible for the Courts to get involved in the issue. For good reasons. Think about it for a moment.

    SqueekyFromm: What you are talking about is COURT stuff that you do in court. I don’t think you would just walk into court and have somebody say “I think there is a 60% chance he was born in the United States” and then Obama’s lawyer would just turn to the jury and say “There it is folks! We win!”

  47. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The legal standard for being president is to be 35 years old, and somebody who is born in America. Plus something else about living here???

    There is a Constitutional eligibility standard but the standard need not be a ‘legal standard’ as it is not up to the Courts to decide the issue. In their wisdom, the Founders and later Congresses assigned the power to Congress under the 12th and 20th (basically overruling Article II, Section 1, Clause 3)

    This is not an issue to be resolved by the Courts really

  48. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Mr Thurman: It seems to mo that these considerations abundantly show that the idea of contesting the office of Chief Magistrate of the United States in any court whatsoever is not to be entertained for a moment. I do not, therefore, agree with the Senator from Vermont that there can be any such contest. I do not think that the framers of the Constitution intended that the title of the persons declared in the joint assembly of the two houses to be President should remain in doubt for a single moment, but that, on the contrary, from the time he was declared to be elected all men should respect his title, for he was declared elected pursuant to the Constitution of the country. There might be error in deciding who was elected; every body of men is liable to commit error; courts are liable to commit error as well as congresses; the decision may be in favor of the wrong man ; but the public safety and peace require that that decision, when once made, shall be final and irrevocable.

  49. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Mr. Frelinghuysen: It seems to me, Mr. President, that there is one idea which the Senator from Ohio has entirely omitted, which is conclusive upon this subject,; it certainly is to my mind. I think the twelfth article of the amendments to the Constitution settles who has jurisdiction over this question. It does not do so in express terms, but it does do so by necessary implication. It says that the President of the Senate is to open the certificates and the votes, which are then to be counted in the presence of the two houses. That by necessary implication to my mind gives the jurisdiction over this subject to the two houses; and if the Constitution does give it to them, we cannot by law give it to the judiciary of the country.

  50. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    NBC:

    He was elected and he was sworn in, so whatever I think, it would sure be a uphill battle to get him out. Sooo, Dr, Taitz and Mr. Apuzzo really probably had no chance of getting him out that way.

    But a President has to answer to the people if he wants a second term, or not go down in American history as like a TOTAL LOSER. Sooo, the pressure that Dr. Taitz and Mr. Apuzzo put on him with all those lawsuits was really on a different level. That of public pressure to cough something up to shut everybody up. This is where Obama just blew it, and what you Obots don’t seem to be able to grasp. Why doesn’t Obama just solve this simple problem??? KISS!

    Anyway, this is really a simple problem to fix, to prove for sure where you were born, and you don’t have to be in court to do it. Abercrombie understands this, and sees how easily it could be fixed. It’s just a $10 document problem. Plus, Abercrombie is confirming what i have told you Obots before although I bet you will just never admit it. That the problem could be fixed pretty easy if Hawaii can turn loose of what they have on the birth. That would solve the WHERE problem pretty quickly, like I have already told you.

    That just leaves you with the WHY problem. The really important part. Sooo, while you Obots just wander around lost trying to figure out why Obama caved in like a cheap pinata on taxes for the rich, it doesn’t surprise me, because I have been eating and sleeping the KISS analysis which tells me that there is a major psychological and/or character type problem with the Universe’s Smartest President Ever, assuming he was born in Hawaii or Conneticut..

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  51. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    But a President has to answer to the people if he wants a second term, or not go down in American history as like a TOTAL LOSER. Sooo, the pressure that Dr. Taitz and Mr. Apuzzo put on him with all those lawsuits was really on a different level. That of public pressure to cough something up to shut everybody up. This is where Obama just blew it, and what you Obots don’t seem to be able to grasp. Why doesn’t Obama just solve this simple problem??? KISS!

    A single term president would be a TOTAL LOSER? Now that is fascinating… So far this President’s track record is far from what people would consider to be one belonging to a loser.

    Obama has solved his simple problem and simple people have decided to ignore the facts. That some people are extremely vulnerable to manipulation by the media and the lies of the right wing hardly contradicts the facts. Education is seldomly effective as the hatred and fear is often founded on a basis of ignorance, religious intolerance and the inability to do the necessary research to familiarize oneself with the facts, preferring to be spoon fed with information.

    But I am glad you agree that it is not really a legal issue after all, and you may want to correct your flawed premise? After all, in name of accuracy, I am sure you will do ‘the right thing’?

    Hugs and Kisses.

  52. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    SqueekyFromm: . Sooo, while you Obots just wander around lost trying to figure out why Obama caved in like a cheap pinata on taxes for the rich, it doesn’t surprise me, because I have been eating and sleeping the KISS analysis which tells me that there is a major psychological and/or character type problem with the Universe’s Smartest President Ever, assuming he was born in Hawaii or Conneticut..

    I find it often fascinating how ironic some people’s contributions really are and they do not even appear to understand it.
    Yes, there has been some disappointment with the President’s stance on extending the tax cuts for 2 more years, but look at the effect it had on the lame duck session? Instead of forcing Congress and the President to follow the new Republican directions, President Obama managed to get Don’t Ask Don’t Tell passed, the new strategic treaty with Russia, and he managed to extend unemployment benefits to millions of people. Sure it has come at a cost of further sponsoring the rich but in the end the balance was well worth it.
    I personally was quite disappointed when President Obama appeared to “cave in” but in retrospect, he totally controlled the legislative agenda of the lame duck session.
    Quite an accomplishment.

  53. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Anyway, this is really a simple problem to fix, to prove for sure where you were born, and you don’t have to be in court to do it. Abercrombie understands this, and sees how easily it could be fixed. It’s just a $10 document problem.

    And yet, the President has presented the $10 document and the problem was never fixed as there remained those who preferred to ignore reason and fact in favor of speculation, untruths and lies. I have no problem understanding that people feel comfortable in lies more than they feel safe and informed by the facts.

    The previous Republican administration of Hawaii was clear and the fact that Abercombie wants to help and assist the President even further will only serve to help the President with his re-election. It’s now all a matter of timing… The ball is first in the Court of the fools who believe that they can pass laws forcing a presidential candidate to release his original birth records when a COLB, under full faith and credit is Constitutionally all they will ever get to see.
    Why would the President waste more effort right now when the Republicans have a chance to show that they do not really care about our Country?

  54. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    NBC:

    There is hope yet!!! You said:

    “And yet, the President has presented the $10 document and the problem was never fixed . . .”

    This is a very important thing to understand. You are right, the problem was never fixed. And a problem that isn’t fixed is still a . . . a . . . a. . .PROBLEM!!!

    Sooo, maybe the problem is because people like me are just too stubborn, or maybe the problem is that it was handled badly by Obama just giving the skimpy COLB to a special group, not the PUBLIC. If it is that people like me are just too stubborn or too skeptical or whatever, then it might not ever get fixed to our satisfaction.

    BUT, if at least PART of the problem was the way that Obama handled it, and then didn’t do nothing else for almost 2 1/2 years, when it is a simple problem to fix, well then maybe that is the problem, too.

    Sooo, I have told you repeatedly that Obama needs to put some out into PUBLIC, and now Abercromie is saying about the same thing, too. Oh well, you can lead a Obot to water, but you can’t make him drink.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  55. Nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Sooo, I have told you repeatedly that Obama needs to put some out into PUBLIC, and now Abercromie is saying about the same thing, too. Oh well, you can lead a Obot to water, but you can’t make him drink.

    And the COLB was put out into the public and yet… So what am I missing here? We have the following scenario

    1. The COLB, which is prima facie legal evidence of President Obama’s birth was placed on the internet as a scan and as several pictures. The document shows that President Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4, 1961.
    2. This makes him of eligible age as well as supports his natural born status
    3. The facts were further supported by data released by the Department of Health in Hawaii, indicating that President Obama is indeed a natural born.

    I am not sure what Abercombie wants to put into the public other than adding the fact that President Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital but that’s just not that relevant.

    You call it a problem but you have yet to point to anything you find problematic or how you believe that putting another COLB would resolve anything more than it does right now.

    As to political timing, it’s too early to take any real action as it serves Obama best to have his foes focus on something that is so clearly erroneous.
    Let them hold foolish hearings, or passing foolish laws… It’s a fantastic gambit. Just like how President Obama turned a lame duck session into another success.

    So please explain what still concerns you, perhaps somewhat more specific?

    XoXo

  56. Nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    SInce you appear to agree with Abercrombie, I am sure you appreciate

    “[Obama’s] a big boy; he can take sticks and stones. But there’s no reason on earth to have the memory of his parents insulted by people whose motivation is solely political. Let’s put this particular canard to rest,” he said.

    As the Guardian observes

    The idea that Obama is not a natural-born American first surfaced in 2008 during the presidential campaign. In an attempt to kill it, the Obama campaign released his certificate of live birth and allowed it to be closely studied by fact-checking websites who declared it authentic.

    Birth notices were also confirmed from the time in the local Honolulu Advertiser.

    But at every stage, the birthers have responded with further demands and additional objections.

  57. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    NBC:

    You know all this stuff you said is sooooo good, you need to write a open letter to Abercrombie and tell him this stuff. Because he kind of thinks it is a problem, and one that could maybe be fixed by turning some stuff loose, that Obama could turn loose too if he wanted to. After all, Abercrombie is going to be a governor and just think of all the time you could save him!

    Plus, you could tell Abercrombie how much all this Birther stuff is actually helping Obama and is good for him! I bet Abercrombie has just never thought this out the way you have. I am being serious!

    Then, after you have HELPED Abercrombie, you could maybe write a book about Public Relations and how to handle problems by using the Free Market Extremist method—that is, just IGNORE the problem and it will all go away as if by magic!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  58. dunstvangeet says:
    December 26, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Squeeky, Obama’s produced that $10 document, offered it to a fact-checking website, and released it to the public at-large. That $10 was labeled “Certification of Live Birth”.

    So, what you’re saying is that Obama should do exactly what Obama did over 2 years ago, Squeeky.

  59. Northland10 says:
    December 26, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Dave: Taitz said that she was now trying to turn the Lakin story into a musical, and is appealing for Andrew Lloyd Webber to contact her.

    Birthers, the Musical… Hmm…

    “Oh I got plenty of nothin, and nothin’s plenty for me…” (apologies to Gershwin).

  60. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    dunstvangeet: Squeeky, Obama’s produced that $10 document, offered it to a fact-checking website, and released it to the public at-large.That $10 was labeled “Certification of Live Birth”.So, what you’re saying is that Obama should do exactly what Obama did over 2 years ago, Squeeky.

    Well of course, because my poor little mind just can’t think of anything else he could possibly do differently. I mean, obviously the ONLY thing one could possibly do is to give a short form COLB to some group and let them put a PICTURE on the Internet. I am just convinced that there is certainly no other option in the KNOWN UNIVERSE that could could conceivably exist.

    As a matter of fact, I bet if you look up “How to Prove Where You Were Born” in Encyclopedia Brittanica, that it says right there:

    “The only possible way known to man, is to give a copy of your COLB, which has little info on it, to some group nobody has ever heard of, and let them put a PICTURE on the Internet. Getting a bunch of copies and handing them out to reporters or putting one at your house for people to look at is just a myth that came into existence at the time of MARCO POLO who also said he saw dragons or something. Because even Einstein said, that the only way to prove it is to give a copy to some unknown group so they could put a PICTURE on the Internet. Prior to the invention of the Internet by Al Gore, it was not even possible for people to prove where they were born, and back before the Internet, nobody ever knew where anybody was from. ”

    Yep. That is what I bet is says in Encyclopedia Brittanica!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  61. Joey says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Squeaky, could you tell us what information that is on a 1961 long form Hawaii birth certificate is relevant to whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to be president that isn’t found on a short form Certification of Live Birth?

    As I look at the internet provided examples of long form Hawaii birth certificates from 1961, I see name of doctor on the forms, the Constitution does not require a president to be delivered by a doctor, name of birth hospital, the Constitution does not require a president to be born in a hospital, and parents’ current occupations. The Constitution does not require a president’s parents to have occupations.
    That’s all the difference that I can find between a long form and a short form.

  62. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    Well of course, because my poor little mind just can’t think of anything else he could possibly do differently. I mean, obviously the ONLY thing one could possibly do is to give a short form COLB to some group and let them put a PICTURE on the Internet. I am just convinced that there is certainly no other option in the KNOWN UNIVERSE that could could conceivably exist.As a matter of fact, I bet if you look up “How to Prove Where You Were Born” in Encyclopedia Brittanica, that it says right there:“The only possible way known to man, is to give a copy of your COLB, which has little info on it, to some group nobody has ever heard of, and let them put a PICTURE on the Internet. Getting a bunch of copies and handing them out to reporters or putting one at your house for people to look at is just a myth that came into existence at the time of MARCO POLO who also said he saw dragons or something. Because even Einstein said, that the only way to prove it is to give a copy to some unknown group so they could put a PICTURE on the Internet. Prior to the invention of the Internet by Al Gore, it was not even possible for people to prove where they were born, and back before theInternet, nobody ever knew where anybody was from. ”Yep. That is what I bet is says in Encyclopedia Brittanica!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Wow so you think he should give the short form to a group and have them put it on the internet. That is exactly what Factcheck and Politifact did and that’s not enough for you birthers. Yeah that wouldn’t be in the encyclopedia brittanica. Do you trust that every other president was born in the United States Squeeky?

  63. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Then, after you have HELPED Abercrombie, you could maybe write a book about Public Relations and how to handle problems by using the Free Market Extremist method—that is, just IGNORE the problem and it will all go away as if by magic!!!

    I notice that you have abandoned reason and logic once again when faced with the task that was asked of you. No worries ‘girl reporter in training’ we will get you back on track.

  64. Dave says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Andy Martin has announced that he is seeking the Republican nomination for President. He will hold a “press conference” on Wednesday. As is his habit, the “press conference” will consist of him standing on a street corner.

    I believe he is the first person to announce his candidacy.

  65. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Yep. That is what I bet is says in Encyclopedia Brittanica!

    I am sure that you consider the Encyclopedia Brittanica to be a useful tool but those who have graduated from training wheels realize that logic, reason and an understanding of Constitution and law can go a long way.

    Good luck ‘girl reporter on training wheel’, I am rooting for the day you will have your training wheels removed. Until then, be careful when crossing roads.

  66. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Joey: Squeaky, could you tell us what information that is on a 1961 long form Hawaii birth certificate is relevant to whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to be president that isn’t found on a short form Certification of Live Birth?

    Well, eh… nothing really… Bu our ‘girl reporter on training wheels’ is not yet well versed in the logic and reason that are involved in these issues, nor does she seem to understand that whenever one is asked to provide supporting evidence, whining about marxism is not a very mature response.
    But it does help expose here true colors… Fascinating…

  67. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:He was elected and he was sworn in, so whatever I think, it would sure be a uphill battle to get him out. Sooo, Dr, Taitz and Mr. Apuzzo really probably had no chance of getting him out that way.But a President has to answer to the people if he wants a second term, or not go down in American history as like a TOTAL LOSER. Sooo, the pressure that Dr. Taitz and Mr. Apuzzo put on him with all those lawsuits was really on a different level. That of public pressure to cough something up to shut everybody up. This is where Obama just blew it, and what you Obots don’t seem to be able to grasp. Why doesn’t Obama just solve this simple problem??? KISS!Anyway, this is really a simple problem to fix, to prove for sure where you were born, and you don’t have to be in court to do it. Abercrombie understands this, and sees how easily it could be fixed. It’s just a $10 document problem. Plus, Abercrombie is confirming what i have told you Obots before although I bet you will just never admit it. That the problem could be fixed pretty easy if Hawaii can turn loose of what they have on the birth. That would solve the WHERE problem pretty quickly, like I have already told you.That just leaves you with the WHY problem. The really important part. Sooo, while you Obots just wander around lost trying to figure out why Obama caved in like a cheap pinata on taxes for the rich, it doesn’t surprise me, because I have been eating and sleeping the KISS analysis which tells me that there is a major psychological and/or character type problem with the Universe’s Smartest President Ever, assuming he was born in Hawaii or Conneticut..Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You keep trying to bastardize what Kiss means. The simplest explanation is always the right one. Thus far all available evidence points to Obama being born in Hawaii; kiss dictates he was born in Hawaii. Where are you getting connecticut from? There is no psychological or character problem with the President these problems solely lay with you. We know you have both a character problem as well as psychological

  68. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Joey:

    Technically, it doesn’t make any difference. That is why you have to put all this stuff into perspective and try to see the “Big Picture.” There were questions about where Obama was born starting maybe in 2007(?) and the smart thing to do if you don’t have anything to hide is just cough up whatever will work best.

    Obama coughed up a short form COLB, when most people were expecting a document that looked different, and had some more information on it. Sooo, the real problem was from a public relations perspective. People wanted more info, and they got the minimum. And the “people” didn’t really even get it. Some group got it, and the “people” got a PICTURE on the Internet.

    Like I have said before, maybe this should have worked for Obama, and maybe all of us should have just believed it, BUT when he kept on NOT coughing up anything else, then it began to look very suspicious to me, because why would anybody put up with all this stupidness when it is such a easy question to answer. So, while I started out not liking him because he is a thieving crook who stole the election from Hillary Clinton by not counting people’s votes in the primary, after a while I just couldn’t ignore the fact that the rascal wasn’t even addressing the ONGOING birth questions. Which are easy to answer.

    Sooo, eventually I developed the KISS Analysis which left the WHY he wasn’t answering the questions all open at once, and waiting to see what the reasons were. I keep telling people that Obama being a Kenyan is the nicest choice on the list, and the others are really worse, but most Obots don’t really get the analysis because it leaves questions open, while most Obots are little picture people who like stuff all neat and tidy and can’t deal with uncertainty. If you don’t believe me, just mis-spell a word on one of the other threads and then cover up and wait for the onslaught!!!

    Some of this is just psychological and you have to remember that it is just part of their personality and it doesn’t make Obots bad or anything, just unequipped to deal with deeper conceptual issues like I can. Plus, I am a INTP!!! Which means that I have the mental equipment to do a lot of stuff ordinary people can’t do, which means I have a responsibility to help them along. Plus, being a Woman means I don’t have to be afraid to not know something, unlike the grunty little malebeasts who you know can’t bring themselves to even ask for directions if they are lost. They would rather just be lost, than admit they are lost or wrong about something, or don’t know something.

    Soooo, that is why the form is a problem, just not a legal one.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  69. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    I see that’s what KISS refers to… Yes, the simplest explanation is indeed that as the facts show, President Obama was born on US soil and thus a natural born citizen. When instead logic and reason has to be abandoned it can never be an example of KISS. Which may help explain why our ‘girl reporter on training wheels’ is having so much problems.
    Occam’s razor is simple and slices through any of her positions.

    Funny…

  70. Joey says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Here’s what I think is going to happen. The new Governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie is one of Barack Obama’s closest political friends. Unlike the previous Governor, Linda Lingle, a Republican who wants to be Hawaii’s next Republican Senator, Governor Abercrombie can call the President and get personal permission to release the long form birth certificate.
    I suspect that the Hawaii state legislature will pass special legislation, signed by Abercrombie to facilitate the release so that it doesn’t appear as if Obama gets special treatment that no other Hawaiian can get to release a long form in the era of computer print-out COLBs only.
    I would imagine that a copy will be available for inspection at the Governor’s Mansion in Honolulu and a scanned copy will be available at the Department of Health’s web site.

  71. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Obama coughed up a short form COLB, when most people were expecting a document that looked different, and had some more information on it. Sooo, the real problem was from a public relations perspective. People wanted more info, and they got the minimum.

    The problem was that some foolish people made claims about the authenticity of the document which they claimed was lacking a raised seal or a signature. When it was shown that these were flawed, they looked for other reasons to reject the document. In other words, the problem was not with the COLB but with the fact that our President was indeed by any fact a natural born US citizen.

    Since long forms were no longer available, the President did what any citizen would have done. But somehow the people believed that these must be forgeries. When it was shown that the document was real, they insisted that the long form would show embarassing facts, even though the COLB is sufficient to establish natural born status, and is sufficient to get a US passport and other relevant documents.

    That our ‘girl reporter on training wheels’ is interested in rewriting history is fascinating but such a privilege is typically reserved to those who have come out the winner :=)

    Hugs and kissed.

  72. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Some of this is just psychological and you have to remember that it is just part of their personality and it doesn’t make Obots bad or anything, just unequipped to deal with deeper conceptual issues like I can

    ROTFL, not just a ‘reporter on training wheels’ but also a comedian. You are quite some gal my dear. Too bad that all you lack is the facts. But truly, who really cares…

  73. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Soooo, that is why the form is a problem, just not a legal one.

    It’s a problem of your own creation, and which, when seen in proper perspective, simply dissolves.

    Sorry dear.

  74. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Joey: I would imagine that a copy will be available for inspection at the Governor’s Mansion in Honolulu and a scanned copy will be available at the Department of Health’s web site.

    But not for another year or so… Timing is of the essence. We first want to lure the republicans down a path of irrelevance before we expose them. Realize that President Obama is pulling the strings by having them believe that they are attacking his Achilles’ heel. Let them waste some political capital and time on that… It will expose them for the fools they truly are.

  75. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Joey,

    I think you are right that something like this will happen. But Obama may refuse permission. That is a possibility, too. I am waiting to see, but I am glad that Abercrombie is either taking my advice, or at least agreeing with my analysis of this. This really never had to be such a big deal.

    NBC:

    KISS is NOT the Keep it simple stupid kind of KISS. My KISS is a analysis of the factors for Obama’s refusal to cough up anything for 2 1/2 years. Here:

    K – Kenyan. He’s a Kenyan.
    I – Ignorant. It never occurred to Obama to release his bumpy Birth Certificate into PUBLIC. Or a Long Form.
    S – Snobby. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the real thing.
    S – Slimy. Obama thinks having some Americans look crazy is good for him politically.

    I have written extensively about this on my websites, and if you use it, then you will be able to follow what is really important in all this. The WHY more than the WHERE.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  76. nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I have written extensively about this on my websites, and if you use it, then you will be able to follow what is really important in all this. The WHY more than the WHERE.

    It’s even worse than I had imagined. Fascinating. But ignorant describes quite well your argument, the rest is just well, icing on the cake.

    I am sure that you have written extensively about this topic, which is why you still are on ‘training wheels’.

    I am rooting for you dear, someday you may grow up and be able to play with the professionals who apply reason and logic, rather than fear and innuendo. Unless you are looking for a career with Fox News, in that case you are well on track.

  77. Dave says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    The Post and Email has an article that reminds us that birtherism isn’t the only Obama-related conspiracy theory: TSA Sheeple Experiment Successful–Next Phase of America’s Imprisonment Begins. Executive summary: we didn’t complain enough about the TSA groping us, therefore the 4th amendment is suspended, and now the President will use the prison guard towers he built in the parking lots of most Walmarts to imprison us all, the end.

    But here is the low point:

    If you will notice–from the myriad YouTube videos that have appeared, only non-Muslim, non-minority American adults and their children seem to be groped by TSA Agents.

    I guess this is the new “there are no Jews in foxholes.” Of course, if you haven’t seen a video of a Muslim being groped by the TSA, it might be because only 0.5% of Americans are Muslims. And it also might be that Muslims are not necessarily visually identifiable, since we don’t make them wear a yellow armband with a star and crescent.

  78. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    NBC:

    You can not patronize me and hurt my feelings because I know how to do Internal Validation!!! Plus, I am multi-talented and believe it or not, I have already started writing songs for the Col. Lakin Musical!!!

    I wish I knew more chords and stuff, but I have already got one song started that is going to be soooo good!!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  79. Nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You can not patronize me and hurt my feelings because I know how to do Internal Validation!!! Plus, I am multi-talented and believe it or not, I have already started writing songs for the Col. Lakin Musical!!!

    My goal is not to hurt you my dear confused ‘reporter in training’ but rather to help you to reach some success.
    I am sure that your musical talents are equally impressive. As to ‘internal validation’, that only serves to make one feel good about oneself but does not establish whether one’s position in the world makes any external sense.
    I believe a good word for it is ‘denial’. Good luck

  80. Nbc says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    as to patronizing you, I was not aware of your services.

  81. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    I am sorry Doc I know you closed off the other topic but I wanted to address Chris’s accusation of us.

    Chris Strunk December 26, 2010 at 1:37 pm #
    You folks here are transparent and full of baloney – getting those government paychecks on time.

    From Chris’s own website on the main page:
    I am on Social Security and work part time for an attorney and a such would appreciate any donation in the way of stamps or a couple of dollars sent in the mail so that I may defray the cost of copying and mailing, which in the long run are the real court costs that burden due process; especially in that I have to mail copies of everything to as many as ten attorneys each time I produce court paper.

    So who is transparent and full of baloney except Chris? He rails on and on about others accepting government checks and yet he’s collecting social security. Just another birther hypocrite.

  82. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 26, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Nbc: as to patronizing you, I was not aware of your services.

    Well, one day I will be as famous as Christina Perri!!! She does songs on youtubes, and I just bet I can get this many hits, too!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umTKHeI-qg

    Because here is my first verse on the Col. Lakin musical, and I have already told Dr. Taitz I would help write songs:

    Millard Fillmore Blues

    Am Em Am Em Am Em
    Funny names just follow you around

    Am Em Am Em Am Em
    Just Like millstones drag a Millhouse down.

    C G
    These questions make me feel so blue.

    Am Em Am Em Am Em C Major 7(Gypsy)
    Millard Fillmore had a funny name, too.

    This song is about when Obama is drinking in the Oval Office and whining about having to cough up a birth certificate just because he has a funny name. Millhouse was Richard Nixon’s middle name, and Millard Fillmore was a president.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  83. Joey says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    If you have to explain the references in a song lyric, it’s a really bad lyric.

  84. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    Well, one day I will be as famous as Christina Perri!!! She does songs on youtubes, and I just bet I can get this many hits, too!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umTKHeI-qgBecause here is my first verse on the Col. Lakin musical, and I have already told Dr. Taitz I would help write songs:Millard Fillmore BluesAm Em Am Em AmEm
    Funny names just follow you aroundAm Em Am Em Am Em
    Just Like millstones drag a Millhouse down.C G
    These questions make me feel so blue.Am EmAm EmAmEm C Major 7(Gypsy)
    Millard Fillmore had a funny name, too.This song is about when Obama is drinking in the Oval Office and whining about having to cough up a birth certificate just because he has a funny name. Millhouse was Richard Nixon’s middle name, and Millard Fillmore was a president.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You might want to drink some more before writing any lyrics

  85. Joey says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Joey,I think you are right that something like this will happen. But Obama may refuse permission. That is a possibility, too. I am waiting to see, but I am glad that Abercrombie is either taking my advice, or at least agreeing with my analysis of this. This really never had to be such a big deal. NBC:KISS is NOT the Keep it simple stupid kind of KISS. My KISS is a analysis of the factors for Obama’s refusal to cough up anything for 2 1/2 years. Here:K – Kenyan. He’s a Kenyan.I – Ignorant. It never occurred to Obama to release his bumpy Birth Certificate into PUBLIC. Or a Long Form.S – Snobby. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the real thing.S – Slimy. Obama thinks having some Americans look crazy is good for him politically.I have written extensively about this on my websites, and if you use it, then you will be able to follow what is really important in all this. The WHY more than the WHERE.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Yes Squeaky, you are a legend in your own mind and I’m certain that the new Governor of Hawaii will follow the advice of an anonymous screen name on the internet.
    I think that I’ll just wait and see what happens in the real world with the attention that Governor Abercrombie says that he will give to resolving this issue.

    Since Barack Hussein Obama was able to receive the votes of 69.4 million Americans by releasing a scanned image of his Hawaii Certification of Live Birth and since 69.4 million popular votes is the most votes for any presidential candidate in American history, I’m not sure how much investment he has in releasing any additional information just to satisfy the curiosity of people who would never vote for him in a million years anyway.

    At any time from February 10, 2007 when Barack Hussein Obama first announced that he was running for president, a subpoena for his original birth records could have been sought by any prosecuting attorney in the nation or by any state or federal congressional/legislative committee. Since no one has sought such a subpoena (which is the proper, legal way to release any confidential record) I have always concluded that the birther “movement” is a fraud and people taking up that cause are not very bright, even though they are very passionate.
    EVERY major presidential investigation has been conducted by a Grand Jury with subpoena power over documents and witnesses. And yet no Obama eligibility Grand Jury?
    That speaks volumes.

  86. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Joey:

    Yes, I am sure over on the Big Rock Candy Mountain (which is a song!) justice is always swift, and true. I bet there no guilty deed goes unpunished. Here on Planet Earth, however, stuff doesn’t always work that way. I will be sure to let GOVERNOR Abercrombie know that you think he is just wasting his time.

    Meanwhile, I am just tearing my poor fingers to pieces playing my Hohner HR100 guitar with the happy face on it, trying to learn stuff, and writing verses to the Col. Lakin musical, not that anybody cares!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    OH Plus, tonight the Elvira Movie Macabre has Santa Claus Conquers the Martians on it!!! I was used to telling everybody at gretawire about it every Sunday night.

  87. Nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 12:09 am

    SqueekyFromm: Well, one day I will be as famous as Christina Perri!!! She does songs on youtubes, and I just bet I can get this many hits, too!!!

    I believe your hope should indeed be focused on this rather than on a career as a ‘girl reporter’

  88. Nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): So who is transparent and full of baloney except Chris? He rails on and on about others accepting government checks and yet he’s collecting social security. Just another birther hypocrite.

    That’s quite ironic.

  89. Wild Bill H says:
    December 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I’m a little confused with Squeeky’s reasoning myself. Squeeky, you think Obama was probably born in Hawaii or Connecticut, but you also think he is Kenyan; however, you do not subscribe to the British at birth (dual citizenship) line of thinking. How did he get to be Kenyan then?

    I will give you kudo’s for being able to humanize yourself so that the personal attacks are at least kept to a minimum; although, they are still there as that is the only line of attack some at this blog have against the non-believers. Dr. C cracked down on it for awhile, but I see he has gotten lax again and a few are back to their old attack tricks.

    Joey seems to have no idea about good or bad lyrics….wonder if he is suggesting that the Beatles songs were bad because some of their lyrics DEFINITELY had to be explained. FYI, I got the lyrics when I read them the first time – no explanation was needed. Perhaps Joey was just upset because he needed the explanation. 🙂

    NBC is a little confused on several fronts. She seems to think there is only one meaning for the word patronize.. On a more serious note, she is completely and totally wrong about there being no long-form in existence. As with all states, when you request a copy of your BC, you automatically receive the COLB that factcheck.org, NOT Obama posted. You have to verbally request the long-form. It DOES exist – even in the magical and far away land of Hawaii, which IS actually part of the United States of America.

    All the long-form information is recorded for each and every birth, even today, as I type this, several babies are being born and the name of the doctor, hospital, weight, length, mother and father along with their occupations and nationalities are being recorded for entry on their long-form BCs. Anyone who believes the government isn’t recording and retaining this information is hopelessly naive. Perhaps NBC is naive, and really believes there is no long-form. I believe it is the long-form that Abercrombie wishes to release. Or perhaps he is seeking to release those “original vital records” – you know those plural (meaning more than one) record(s) of Obama’s birth. I only have 1 (one) BC – wonder how many Obama has? At any rate, if nothing further or additional exists for Obama, what in the world is Abercrombie seeking to release? If birthers don’t believe factcheck.org’s COLB, I highly doubt that the birthers are going to believe the exact same COLB when Abercrombie releases it.

    NBC’s goal is not to hurt you, but to bend you to her will and way of thinking. Perhaps she isn’t getting the message to you in just the right way yet. You know the way the liberals in this country are irritated with the President for not being able to get his message across to the American people. The problem is not in conveying the message, we get the message loud and clear…we are just not buying the message that he is trying to sell. Yes, she is patronizing you, but not in the way she defines the word – in the way you define the word. There’s that message problem again!

    I disagree with Squeeky; however, since I believe Obama is under no obligation to release any records or documents. He was soundly elected by the people, that is true. However, I disagree with NBC that a court should not get involved. A court got involved in the Bush/Gore election, an involvement which I would suspect NBC supported and was disappointed with the outcome. And as much as I agreed with the outcome, I certainly felt no need to defend Bush and bash the Gore supporters with regards to the election issue. Defending Bush’s administration is a whole other issue – let’s suffice it to say, he was not my most favorite President and I disagreed with him on more than a few issues.

    I think the problem stems from the fact that prior to the election, I was too busy trying to decipher Obama’s message and trying to decide if I agreed or disagreed with him, rather than focusing on his eligibility status. I actually found him rather intriguing at first, until I started reallying listening to what he was saying. He was creating a blank slate on which people created their ideal candidate who believed whatever they wanted him to believe. He is a master at deception. Only on a few occasions did he falter and allow people to see his true intentions. Unfortunately, like the vast majority, I was under the mistaken idea that there was surely an administration, agency, or committee that reviewed all the documentation of ALL candidates prior to them being placed on the ballot. I had no idea that no one vetted the candidates. I had no idea that there was even a possibility of eligibility issues with Obama. That is my problem though, not Obama’s. He knew the rules and used them to his advantage. Ignorance of the law is no excuse; therefore, I have no excuse for my lackadaisical approach to government and voting issues. All I can do is learn from my mistakes and hope that I do not make them again in the future.

    What is find fascinating about the whole issue are blogs such is this one. That Obama’s followers feel the constant and incessant need to fight for his legitimacy is telling. I see it more as a point of view issue, rather than cut and dry. There is NO legal definition of NBC (the term, not the poster) by which to compare Obama’s qualifications to; therefore, the issue is an unknown and up to this point, undecided. What we do know is that Obama is POTUS, and that is likely not to change at least until 2012 and maybe not even until 2016, and maybe not even then if his government take-over to date is any indication of things to come. HOWEVER, just because Obama is POTUS and currently holds that office, in no way makes him eligible. The people did NOT make him eligible simply by casting a vote for him. One can hold an elected office illegally. Of course, Obama’s followers would like to use that as an argument. That would be like saying after the fact that it was legal for a 10 year old to get in a car and drive over 100 mph, simply because he did it. Illogical reasoning at work..

    Keep up the good fight Squeeky! When you get personal attacks, you know they are running out of arguments, and it would appear that you have a couple of them here on the run.

  90. Arthur says:
    December 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Wild Bill H: I’m a little confused with Squeeky’s reasoning myself. Squeeky, you think Obama was probably born in Hawaii or Connecticut, but you also think he is Kenyan; however, you do not subscribe to the British at birth (dual citizenship) line of thinking.

    Keep up the good fight Squeeky! When you get personal attacks, you know they are running out of arguments, and it would appear that you have a couple of them here on the run.

    You are foolish to take _________ seriously or think that she is fighting anything. She is merely a gadfly; phoney as a false chiffonier and inauthentic as a 21st century antique.

    That was not a personal attack, but a statement of fact.

  91. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Thank you Wild Bill H!!! I have just been soooo busy wrecking my brain for just the right words and music for the Millard Fillmore Blues, and I have already told Dr, Taitz, and then BLAM!!! right out of nowhere I got the melody, and when I started hitting it on the keyboard, it made me add more words to get back to the ending. Music is funny that way just like life. it sounds one way on guitar and another way on a key board, and when you put them both together it just WORKS!

    Sooo, what it is, is that I have evolved over time to look at a Kenyan birth as just one of the possibilities to explain why Obama hasn’t resolved this issue after more than 2 1/2 years of doing nothing. And it isn’t like people don’t cheat with documents on elections because I just read where some notary publics in Chicago were just forged up to get people on the ballot. Imagine that! Somebody would cheat about election qualifications! I am SHOCKED, I tell you SHOCKED to find out there is cheating going on. (NOT, LOL!)

    Anyway, being open minded about Kenya is what has made it possible to see that the other possible reasons why Obama hasn’t done nothing else are even WORSE!!!

    Plus, does anybody want to see the newer lyrics for the Millard Fillmore Blues??? because I won’t put them here unless somebody is interested about all the hard work and sore fingers and just hours of torment that I spent laboring to create this song, which I still have to labor some more on???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  92. Joey says:
    December 27, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Joey:Yes, I am sure over on the Big Rock Candy Mountain (which is a song!) justice is always swift, and true. I bet there no guilty deed goes unpunished. Here on Planet Earth, however, stuff doesn’t always work that way. I will be sure to let GOVERNOR Abercrombie know that you think he is just wasting his time. Meanwhile, I am just tearing my poor fingers to pieces playing my Hohner HR100 guitar with the happy face on it, trying to learn stuff, and writing verses to the Col. Lakin musical, not that anybody cares!So There!!!Squeeky FrommGirl ReporterOH Plus, tonight the Elvira Movie Macabre has Santa Claus Conquers the Martians on it!!! I was used to telling everybody at gretawire about it every Sunday night.

    Yes, I know the song “Big Rock Candy Mountain.”

    Actually, I welcome whatever Governor Abercrombie can do to resolve this issue
    I was pointing out that since President Nixon and Watergate, every serious presidential crisis/scandal has been investigated and ultimately resolved by a grand jury: Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loan Scandal, Whitewater-Travelgate-Filegate-Vince Foster Suicide, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, CIA-Leaks-Valerie Plame-Scooter Libby, et. cetera.

    Is Obama really eligible to be president? No grand jury.

    And on a different note, the Annual Gallup Poll results of the Most Admired Man and Woman in America are in: the winners for 2010, Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  93. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Joey:

    You really can’t investigate the most important issue, which to me is WHY Obama hasn’t cleared this up. Answering WHERE is pretty simple, which makes the WHY even more perplexing. Obama has caved in on everything he promised, like not taxing the rich people, but on this one issue he is just a quiet as a church mouse. He spent all afternoon with some beer and those police people, but just nothing on the birth certificate thingy. I am telling you that Obama is just really psychologically sick if he is a American. Because only a really psychologically sick person would clam up like this.

    The Gallup Poll got Hillary Clinton right!!! But they really screwed up on Obama.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  94. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    OH did you just see the Jets Football Coach video on Megyn Kelly!!! I wrote a poem on gretawire:

    Oh this is just sooooo sick!!! Here is a poem for the Jets Coach:

    Piggies
    by Squeeky Fromm

    These little piggies went viral
    The video is clear!
    One little piggy cried “Just move on!”
    “There’s nothing to see here!”

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  95. Scientist says:
    December 27, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You really can’t investigate the most important issue, which to me is WHY Obama hasn’t cleared this up

    He HAS cleared it up. he said he was born in Hawaii and provided official state documents to prove it. And his parents lived in Hawaii as did his maternal grandparents, so the story fits the laws of logic and statistical probability since 99.999% of babies are born where their mother lives.

    I don’t know where you were born, but let’s pretend you were born in Cleveland. You have an official Ohio birth certificate. You parents lived in Ohio as did 1 set of grandparents. But some boobs on the intertubes say, “Sqeeky was born in Hong Kong”. Who should I believe, you, the official documents and common sense and the laws of statistics or some morons on line?

  96. Daniel says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You really can’t investigate the most important issue, which to me is WHY Obama hasn’t cleared this up.

    A more important issue even than that is why YOU haven’t cleared up the reasons why you had not mentioned your articles and blog prior to the 25th of this month?

    How can you insist Obama “clear it up” when you’re so obviously hiding something yourself?

  97. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Scientist:

    You wouldn’t have to take my word for it. Or go to some group’s website and look at a PICTURE. If I was President, for example, I would put a few bumpy ones out at the White House and people on tour could see them and touch them if they wanted to. Plus, if I was president, I would figure a lot of my privacy was gone anyway, and I would cough up a Long Form if people had questions.

    I wouldn’t expect a “scientist” to just take it on “faith.”

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  98. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Wild Bill H: What is find fascinating about the whole issue are blogs such is this one. That Obama’s followers feel the constant and incessant need to fight for his legitimacy is telling.

    Wild Bill H – Well, the problem here is that you too seem to be guilty of starting with your pre-conceived and bias conclusions and then projecting your limitations in how you perceive the world onto others.

    That is evident throughout various aspects of your long post, but the statement above puts thing at the crux of why you just don’t “get it”.

    Maybe you are not here enough to understand that some of the regular posters here voted for McCain and are unlikely to vote for Obama next time, yet they are still against the birthers and their nonsense.

    I myself did support and vote for Obama, but I’m not a liberal or a democrat or other labels that you seem fixated upon having to believe in your own mind that everyone who doesn’t think X or doesn’t believe Y like you do fits into some quaint and tidy little label.

    The POINT of this site it to investigate conspiracy theories, particularly as they relate to Obama. Early on, there was a lot of earnest and in-depth research into the topic and a lot of sincere and honest questions being raised and looked into by those that wanted to know more.

    However, more than 2 years later, most of those questions have been deeply looked into and the end results have all pointed to the same conclusion – that Obama was born in Honolulu, HI and no legitimate concerns with his NBC status have been found.

    No actual evidence in all this time has come forward to dispute this. Frauds, forgeries and made-up stories -yes. Actual viable evidence that contradicts the known documents and statements which support that he is simply who he says he is – NO.

    No alternate speculations of different ways to limit or interpret the NBC clause in the Constitution have any solid basis in our actual active laws on the books today.

    So, there’s nothing that’s been new under the sun on this in a long, long time. Its more about dispelling myth and propaganda of unsupported nonsense now…and often, that leaves little room for patience of the same tired and worn-out dead horse arguments that the birthers switch back and forth between time and time again. Because such is rarely sincere.

    But the community of non-birthers on this site is quite diverse and includes folks from all over the political spectrum and those who are supporters of Obama as well as those that have no intention of ever voting for him.

    What we all have in common is we are fighting against nonsense, misinformation and unsupported slander. Overall, we are for reality-based facts and truth not bunk propaganda. Simple as that.

    The only “need” being fed is to challenge illegitimate nonsense whenever it crops up. Such as quite a few of the things you wrote.

  99. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Wild Bill H: On a more serious note, she is completely and totally wrong about there being no long-form in existence. As with all states, when you request a copy of your BC, you automatically receive the COLB that factcheck.org, NOT Obama posted. You have to verbally request the long-form. It DOES exist – even in the magical and far away land of Hawaii, which IS actually part of the United States of America.
    …
    Perhaps NBC is naive, and really believes there is no long-form.
    …
    NBC’s goal is not to hurt you, but to bend you to her will and way of thinking.
    …Yes, she is patronizing you, but not in the way she defines the word – in the way you define the word. There’s that message problem again!

    Yet more examples of your quackery diagnosis being done by applying your own limited pre-conception bias into how you think onto others.

    Maybe you don’t read here enough, but I’ve been here for over 2 years and have read tons of the posts on the topic of the “long form” as well as NBC’s posts.

    I don’t see claims that there is no such thing as a “long form” – so your argument is a false straw-man canard right there.

    As is the concern troll statement that people can easily still get said document from the state of HI.

    2 years later and many claims to that effect and we’ve yet to see anyone succeed in doing so. So, more bunk from you.

    Furthermore, the whole issue of the HI “long form” vs. the HI COLB already presented is completely irrelevant.

    Simply put, the COLB presents a limited set of data fields from any “longer form” source of data that exists. What info is provided would be the SAME on both forms. As the COLB clearly answers the ONLY relevant question it can to the NBC issue – PLACE OF BIRTH, that has already been addressed. It clearly states born in HONOLULU, HI and the date in 1961. That is the only relevant info for the issue at hand. Any “long form” wouldn’t say anything different for those place of birth or date fields, so the argument for such a document is MOOT, when the COLB is clearly the document that HI provides and which is accepted practically ANYWHERE in the US that birth certificates are used.

    Your attempts to portray NBC’s motives as somehow disingenuous or manipulatively sinister is unsubstantiated and out of line.

    You sir, should spend a long time self-examining your own thought processes, as they are obviously tainted.

  100. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Wild Bill H: think the problem stems from the fact that prior to the election, I was too busy trying to decipher Obama’s message and trying to decide if I agreed or disagreed with him, rather than focusing on his eligibility status. I actually found him rather intriguing at first, until I started reallying listening to what he was saying. He was creating a blank slate on which people created their ideal candidate who believed whatever they wanted him to believe. He is a master at deception. Only on a few occasions did he falter and allow people to see his true intentions.

    Oh please! More of your own projection and seeing what you wanted to. The problem with folks like you is you don’t listen to what anyone actually says at face value and you yourself are guilty of projecting and hearing what you want to, not what is actually said. Yes, there are a bunch of folks who voted for Obama who are also guilty of only hearing what they wanted to hear too.

    The point is, you are one of them. This whole “master of deception” nonsense is just your biased opinion and a creation of your own need to believe that to be true.

    Back in reality…just when and how did he “falter” and reveal his “true intentions”…just what are they exactly and what examples do you have? LOL! Such conspiratorial tripe!

    Why can’t you simply say something straightforward and honest such as you don’t like him, or care for how his administration does things or what his policies are?

    Why do folks like you always need to devolve into demonizing someone and making up sinister reasons for their motives instead of honestly just saying you would prefer to do things differently? Are you unable to deal with a world of people who don’t think or act exactly as you do unless you turn them into sinister monsters in your own mind? How childish!

  101. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    G:

    You have a complex or something. WHY should YOU have to fight “nonsense, misinformation and unsupported slander.” WHY should YOU or Abercrombie or anybody else do this??? Isn’t this Obama’s responsibility??? This is really a pretty simple thing to resolve, the WHERE question. The Vattle stuff and British Citizen stuff is just stupid and might take some work, but the WHERE question is just ridiculous that Obama hasn’t resolved this. Lookit:

    Pretend YOU want a driver’s license. You give a copy of your COLB to some group to put a PICTURE on the Internet. Then you go to the DMV, and when they say they want to see a original, you say, “Go to the Internet! There is a copy there you can see!” The DMV is NOT impressed.

    Soooo, not YOU, but somebody else finds a newspaper that says you were born to your parents and what their address is. The DMV is still not impressed. They want to see the bumpy one.

    Now do you think that people all across America are going to get on websites to support you??? To tell people how unlikely it is that the PICTURE on the Internet is a fake??? Or spend just hours and hours obsessing about YOUR problem???” Even if you were famous.

    No. Everybody would expect you to cough up a bumpy one for the DMV and wonder what was wrong when you didn’t. And they would probably think like me. One, either the PICTURE is a phony and you were born somewhere else. Two, there is something psychologically screwed up with you which keeps you from simply coughing up the bumpy one.

    Whatever, no one would probably much care and expect you to resolve this for yourself, because it is really a pretty simple problem.

    BUT, pretend some more that people did get all worked up to explain why you weren’t coughing up the bumpy one. Like Wild Bill H says, that is “telling”, because there is something fishy about why Obama’s problems about WHERE becomes everybody’s worry. (Not the Vattle and British Birther stuff which is a legitimate concern for both sides.)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  102. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Wild Bill H: However, I disagree with NBC that a court should not get involved. A court got involved in the Bush/Gore election, an involvement which I would suspect NBC supported and was disappointed with the outcome. And as much as I agreed with the outcome, I certainly felt no need to defend Bush and bash the Gore supporters with regards to the election issue. Defending Bush’s administration is a whole other issue – let’s suffice it to say, he was not my most favorite President and I disagreed with him on more than a few issues.

    Again, statements that just show you come at everything with a biased partisan pre-conceptions of the world. The very fact that you even had to introduce the unrelated Bush/Gore court decision into the discussion is telling.

    But hey, if you are going to use it, then the only real lesson that comes from that that is relevant here should be pointed out to you:

    Regardless of people’s desires or opinions on the matter or the controversy of whether or not the Supreme Court should have gotten involved, etc…. ALL that mattered is that once GWB was sworn in, he was the President and the election was completely over. Same goes with 2004. Whether there was controversy over the close results or not, the numbers were decided in GWB’s favor and he was sworn in again in Jan 2005 for a 2nd term and at that point, was AGAIN president and the election was over.

    Yeah, there were some folks that whined in both situations…but that didn’t matter and didn’t change reality and regardless of your feelings of what happened under GWB’s administration, there is no real question that he was the President during those 8 years.

    Yet in 2008, there was no “close” result. Obama beat McCain is a massive landslide – no matter how you look at the results – it wasn’t even close. The election was completely OVER once he was sworn in. Yet here we are 2 years later and there is a small, unhappy whiny segment of the population that still can’t deal with it.

    And again, those whiners don’t matter at all either and it doesn’t change the fact that Obama is President now and will remain so for another 2-6 more years. Deal with it.

  103. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Wild Bill H: HOWEVER, just because Obama is POTUS and currently holds that office, in no way makes him eligible. The people did NOT make him eligible simply by casting a vote for him. One can hold an elected office illegally.

    Except the only point that matters is that ALL existing real evidence to dates backs up the assumption that he was eligible and NO actual evidence contradicts it.

    Therefore, there is no reasonable basis to assume that he is holding office illegally at all.

  104. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Anyway, being open minded about Kenya is what has made it possible to see that the other possible reasons why Obama hasn’t done nothing else are even WORSE!!!

    That is not being “open minded” Squeeky.

    All you are doing is starting from assumptions that their “must” be something sinister going on because for some reason, you too need to have monsters and bogeymen to fear…

    Your conclusions are just that – merely based on unsubstantiated fears and irrational suspicions.

    You would be a lot better off if you didn’t need to perceive the world as out to get you.

  105. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G: You have a complex or something. WHY should YOU have to fight “nonsense, misinformation and unsupported slander.” WHY should YOU or Abercrombie or anybody else do this???

    LOL! Ah, projecting are we, Squeeky? What you might have could be considered a complex.

    Me, I just have very little tolerance for l.i.e.s and bunk. I believe that people are accountable for their words and deeds and deserve to be called out on them. I’ve rarely shied away from calling someone out in person or online when they say crazy stuff. Either back it up with actual evidence or be revealed as the petty nonsense peddler that you are.

    I can only answer what drives me. I simply have never been afraid to call people out.

    More importantly, I should wonder why YOU feel the need to defend and support the need to have “nonsense, misinformation and unsupported slander” bandied about?

    Are those things you cherish and value? Or simply that you need to rely on?

    SqueekyFromm:
    Isn’t this Obama’s responsibility??? This is really a pretty simple thing to resolve, the WHERE question.

    Simply put: NO.

    There was never any requirement to present even a COLB to the public. Yet he, unlike any before them, chose to openly do so and scan it so that all could see.

    The fact that you think he needs to do anything else is not supported in law nor in history and that whine to see more info is YOUR problem not his. He simply doesn’t owe YOU nor anyone else any more proof nor have any need to pay attention to this nonsense at all.

    Nor would he waste time going to any sites to pay attention to this issue, as he’s got more important things to focus on in running this country.

    This site is one of the places I “hang out” and contribute. Therefore, if you say something on here, I have the right to respond if I chose. Simple as that. So, if I see nonsense being said and no one else has addressed it, I’ll call it for what it is.

    Simple as that.

  106. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    Pretend YOU want a driver’s license. You give a copy of your COLB to some group to put a PICTURE on the Internet. Then you go to the DMV, and when they say they want to see a original, you say, “Go to the Internet! There is a copy there you can see!” The DMV is NOT impressed…..**unrealistic scenario continues on***

    Except your whole scenario is just more straw-man silliness and unrelated to any reality out there. Obama DOES have a driver’s license and has for years.

    What do you think he did to get that, huh? Showed his documents in person, just as everyone else does. *duh*

    And why do you think his campaign bothered to order a COLB in 2007, when he started his campaign? Because they wanted the actual document to be able to present to any official authorities that might request it during the ballot qualification process. *duh*

    To think he would show them the image from the internet instead of give them the actual document from which the image was scanned is just one of the silliest arguments that has been made by birthers throughout the entire process. It is as lame as the weak petty attacks on him for being able to use a teleprompter well, (a device which just about any public speaker or news reporter relies on regularly in modern times). Just meaningless inanity from those who don’t realize how moronic they sound when they say such things.

    Where do you think the image came from that he posted on his site? HINT: Someone on his campaign took the physical document and scanned it in. What do you think an image is anyways? How ELSE do you get a document onto the internet or to be available for the public? *duh* There is no such thing as “Wonkavision”, just so you know…you can’t reach into your screen and pull an actual document back out.

    Seriously, what do you think the state of HI sent him…the image? No, read their site – listen to what they’ve said about such matters – and use some common sense. You order a document, they mail you the physical certified copy. What do you think the photos on factcheck.org show them handling – HINT: the actual document…i.e. the “source” for the scan.

    If he went in to renew his DL next week, he would take that physical document and show it to the people at the DMV. THEY would be the only ones for that purpose who would even have the right to ask to see it and touch it. YOU as some nameless citizen with no authority over approving people’s driver’s licenses would have no right to see it NOR to even demand that he post an image of either it or video of him going through the DL renewal process on the internet. NOR does he have to get permission from the newspapers NOR go to your house to ask if it is ok for him to get his DL renewed. *duh*

    Really, your silly scenario and inability to understand this only makes you look foolish.

  107. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    SqueekyFromm: (Not the Vattle and British Birther stuff which is a legitimate concern for both sides.)

    Huh???

    Sorry, that doesn’t even make any sense.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but there are no legitimate concerns on those issues as it relates here, within our current laws.

  108. Paul Pieniezny says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Dave: On further thought, I think a musical really isn’t enough — Lakin really should be canonized. Could someone get the Pope to call me so we can discuss this?

    Strunk is not really going to like that.

    But Squeeky could write some haikus to be set to music.

    And we all know who would be perfect to play the role of Orly. And for once it would not be “can’t act, can’t sing, slightly blonde, can dance a little” Britney Spears.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

  109. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    G:

    I am beginning to think you are leaving out the rest of your name. Like maybe the “O” and “D”. Because you seem to think that it is your personal responsibility to do everybody’s thinking for them. If you think something is wrong, then OH LORD help whoever disagrees with you!

    People can have concerns, whether legitimate, smart, stupid, right, wrong, misplaced, whatever. So we all have our right to have our concerns. But, none of us can decide for other people what their concerns are. Soooo, if you are happy with the PICTURE on the Internet, then good for you. But, if there are a lot of us who aren’t so happy, or have questions, then we have a right to our opinions, too. Right or wrong.

    And, when you are talking about DEMOCRACIES, where people get to vote, then whatever our concerns are should be of concern to people who have to get our votes. Nobody can answer everybody’s questions about everything, but when the issue is as simple as WHERE somebody was born, then the person who is questioned had better pay attention. Or, get SHELLACKED!

    And while you are on your high horse spoouting off about how this isn’t a issue, you should take a look at yourself and ask yourself why then are you up on your high horse even spouting in the first place??? Because it is a PROBLEM or ISSUE!!! Duh!!! maybe if you got down off your high horse, and treated this like a issue, and look for the best way to resolve it, then the problem would pretty much go away. Of course, that means you have to forgo the glory and honor of sitting on your high horse pontififying about stuff.

    Sooo, you can keep spouting and pretending there is no issue, or you can face REALITY, that it IS a issue, and resolve it. Like me and Abercrombie. Who both think that questions like this can be answered with documents. Remember, there are no stupid questions, just people who think there are.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  110. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Paul Pieniezny: ote) #

    I am thinking of a song for her, called “Just A Woman Alone” to express the fear she must have gone through in taking on the POTUS, when she is just a poor little immigrant Woman. Plus, I am still working on The Millard Fillmore Blues but I wish I could do more chords. So far, I am up to two verses, and it has just been sooo difficult creating art like this, which is why all of us artists suffer sooo much.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  111. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    G: Seriously, what do you think the state of HI sent him…the image? No, read their site – listen to what they’ve said about such matters – and use some common sense. You order a document, they mail you the physical certified copy. What do you think the photos on factcheck.org show them handling – HINT: the actual document…i.e. the “source” for the scan.

    The Squealer won’t pretend to understand plain English. It’s part of his senseless ruse and endless game of con-trolling.

    It’s a “bumpy Birth Certificate into PUBLIC.”

    It was pretty easy to fool Wild Bill H, wasn’t it?

  112. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Paul Pieniezny: And we all know who would be perfect to play the role of Orly. And for once it would not be “can’t act, can’t sing, slightly blonde, can dance a little” Britney Spears.

    I was thinking Charo might need the work.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charo_black_dress.jpg

    Or Zsa Zsa if she can handle the stress.

  113. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    G:
    Except your whole scenario is just more straw-man silliness and unrelated to any reality out there.Obama DOES have a driver’s license and has for years.What do you think he did to get that, huh?Showed his documents in person, just as everyone else does.*duh*And why do you think his campaign bothered to order a COLB in 2007, when he started his campaign?Because they wanted the actual document to be able to present to any official authorities that might request it during the ballot qualification process.*duh*To think he would show them the image from the internet instead of give them the actual document from which the image was scanned is just one of the silliest arguments that has been made by birthers throughout the entire process.It is as lame as the weak petty attacks on him for being able to use a teleprompter well, (a device which just about any public speaker or news reporter relies on regularly in modern times). Just meaningless inanity from those who don’t realize how moronic they sound when they say such things.Where do you think the image came from that he posted on his site?HINT: Someone on his campaign took the physical document and scanned it in.What do you think an image is anyways?How ELSE do you get a document onto the internet or to be available for the public? *duh* There is no such thing as “Wonkavision”, just so you know…you can’t reach into your screen and pull an actual document back out.Seriously, what do you think the state of HI sent him…the image?No, read their site – listen to what they’ve said about such matters – and use some common sense.You order a document, they mail you the physical certified copy.What do you think the photos on factcheck.org show them handling – HINT: the actual document…i.e. the “source” for the scan.If he went in to renew his DL next week, he would take that physical document and show it to the people at the DMV.THEY would be the only ones for that purpose who would even have the right to ask to see it and touch it.YOU as some nameless citizen with no authority over approving people’s driver’s licenses would have no right to see it NOR to even demand that he post an image of either it or video of him going through the DL renewal process on the internet.NOR does he have to get permission from the newspapers NOR go to your house to ask if it is ok for him to get his DL renewed.*duh*Really, your silly scenario and inability to understand this only makes you look foolish.

    He will ignore your answer because this is a game.

    The part about the COLB being an actual, physical document certified by the State of Hawaii and considered prima facie evidence in any U.S. has either been ignored or spun into a moving goal post in every posted reply.

    This is a twisted fantasy game for someone who assumed the Squeeky identity and is sadly desperate for attention . . . . and getting what he wants.

  114. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    s/b “and considered prima facie evidence in any U.S. court”

  115. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    You all are soooo mean!!! I am thinking of Kyra Sedgewick playing Dr.Taitz, if she can sing. That way you have all the vulnerability of a “Just a Woman Alone” taking on the world’s most powerful male. Meanwhile, I am working on verse three of the Millard Fillmore Blues and trying not to think about other songs for Dr. Taitz.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  116. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Majority Will:

    You are soooo behind the times!!! If the COLB would work in Court, which I think it would, then it should work OUTSIDE of Court which is what I have been saying forevah!!! The Long Form would work even better! The issue has moved on to WHY Obama won’t resolve the questions. Which you Obots are sooo hung up on “There shouldn’t be a issue” that you keep ignoring “There is a issue.”

    OMG, you Obots think if you keep saying “The whole world should agree with me and see things my way!” then the whole world is going to finally agree with you and see things your way. Sorry, but it isn’t. Which me and Abercrombie are a whole lot smarter about, because we both see the issue, and how to resolve the WHERE part of it!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  117. Paul Pieniezny says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    G: SqueekyFromm: (Not the Vattle and British Birther stuff which is a legitimate concern for both sides.)

    Huh???

    Sorry, that doesn’t even make any sense.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but there are no legitimate concerns on those issues as it relates here, within our current laws.

    It’s just Squeeky telling us that if Obama was really born in the USA, they still have the dual citizenship argument and the natural born means two citizen parents argument. How predictable, Squeeky going down the path so many birthers went before him/her. (And if even that fails, because of Eisenhower, Arthur and Agnew, they will still have Indonesia – and the Canadian birth certificate.)

    Of course, it makes no sense, really. Or as much sense as Groucho Marx claiming “these are my principles, and if you don’t like them, I’ve got others”

  118. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Tp Paul P:

    I think for some QUESTIONERS (Birthers) the Vattle Birther and British Citizen stuff is “Plan B.” But not for me. I don’t believe that stuff. it doesn’t make any sense that our laws come from some 300 year old dead French guy nobody ever heard of, or from the British who we beat at the Battle of New Orleans. Plus, my mother’s lawyer told me that if Obama was born in Hawaii or Conneticut that he was legal.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  119. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:

    I am beginning to think you are leaving out the rest of your name. Like maybe the “O” and “D”. Because you seem to think that it is your personal responsibility to do everybody’s thinking for them. If you think something is wrong, then OH LORD help whoever disagrees with you!

    People can have concerns, whether legitimate, smart, stupid, right, wrong, misplaced, whatever. So we all have our right to have our concerns. But, none of us can decide for other people what their concerns are. Soooo, if you are happy with the PICTURE on the Internet, then good for you. But, if there are a lot of us who aren’t so happy, or have questions, then we have a right to our opinions, too. Right or wrong.

    And, when you are talking about DEMOCRACIES, where people get to vote, then whatever our concerns are should be of concern to people who have to get our votes. Nobody can answer everybody’s questions about everything, but when the issue is as simple as WHERE somebody was born, then the person who is questioned had better pay attention. Or, get SHELLACKED!

    And while you are on your high horse spoouting off about how this isn’t a issue, you should take a look at yourself and ask yourself why then are you up on your high horse even spouting in the first place??? Because it is a PROBLEM or ISSUE!!! Duh!!! maybe if you got down off your high horse, and treated this like a issue, and look for the best way to resolve it, then the problem would pretty much go away. Of course, that means you have to forgo the glory and honor of sitting on your high horse pontififying about stuff.

    Sooo, you can keep spouting and pretending there is no issue, or you can face REALITY, that it IS a issue, and resolve it. Like me and Abercrombie. Who both think that questions like this can be answered with documents. Remember, there are no stupid questions, just people who think there are.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    LMAO! Wow, Squeeky…we found out what really peeves you off, haven’t we? The right to be boastfully ignorant and to tell L.I.E.S and to mislead people. is more important that anything else to you, isn’t it? THOSE are your VALUES, eh? LOL!

    Sorry to disappoint, no “high horse” here… none even needed to simply call out people for their own actions. What, can’t handle when someone pulls the curtain back on your fantasies and tells you that they are just that…fantasy…not reality…eh? So spare me the trying to make my name into some deity. *yawn* That’s not what’s actually going on here at all.

    What this is really about is folks like you want to be able to spew any nonsense and make up L.I.E.S. and con games all you want and to mislead, confuse and manipulate people…and you don’t want to be held accountable for your own actions or words at all or for anyone to point out what your really doing.

    Yes, you are entitled to your opinions. As are we all.

    But there are differences in HOW people convey opinions. And the rest of us are fully entitled to react to what you say as well.

    So, if your opinion is that you like strawberry ice cream and can’t stand butterscotch. That’s completely fine and I might say that I like butterscotch, but I’m not going to care or attack you for lot liking butterscotch.

    However, if your opinion is that the moon is made of green cheese and you go around saying “the moon is made of green cheese”. …Well, that is no longer merely an “opinion”…it is complete rubbish and you deserve to be called out on it.

    Now, if you were just plain ignorant and honestly questioned and made a statement like “I’ve been told the moon is made of green cheese, but I really don’t know anything about the moon, so I don’t know what to think”, then people might be kinder to you and give you answers that explain what the moon is and give you links and sources to educate you on the moon and to clearly show you why it is not made of green cheese.

    If after that, you come back and double down on insisting that the moon is made of green cheese and throw out the same already refuted arguments, you are nothing but a willfully ignorant concern troll and totally deserve the shellacking from myself and others for your irresponsible inability to portray yourself like anything other than a major fool.

    Analogy done. As to the rest of your post. Same old retread that has been covered & explained to you by others that you refuse to listen to.

    In summary to your whines: Hey, if you don’t like it, you don’t have to vote for him. There. That is your right. Simple as that. However, others may be just fine with him and choose to vote for him again. Sometimes the person you want doesn’t win the election. Sometimes a majority of people think differently than you and don’t share your concerns. That’s real life. Deal with it instead of make up whiny nonsense sore-loser fictional arguments for why you lost. And for once, show some self-respect and try to be an adult about it.

  120. Scientist says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    SqueekyFromm: If I was President

    ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha! God help us!!!

    SqueekyFromm: I would put a few bumpy ones out at the White House and people on tour could see them and touch them if they wanted to

    Why? None of the other Presidents have done that, so why just you?

    Since you think as President you should have no privacy you would post tapes of every time you had sex with your significant other too, right? And bowel movements, too, right? After all the President’s heath today is far more important than where he was born 50 years ago, no?

    SqueekyFromm: I wouldn’t expect a “scientist” to just take it on “faith.”

    No faith at all, except in the laws of statistics. 99.999% of babies are born where ttheir mother lives. 99.999% of birth certificates are ligitimate. Multiply that together and the odds that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii are 1 in 10,000,000. is that good enough? If undestood statistics you would have to ask. Drugs are given to millions of people based on a 5% channce they are unsafe and/or ineffective. So the President’s birth in Hawaii is as close to certain as you get in science.

    It’s sad that the state of scientific education in the US is so poor that people can’t understand elementary statistics.

  121. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    I know Abercrombie and he is far more than what you can ever hope to achieve my dear ‘Girl reporter in training’.

    That you use yourself and him in the same sentence betrays your foolishness and ignorance.

    Which is of course why you hide anytime we raise factual issues.

    You’re so predictable.
    Hugs

  122. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You have a complex or something. WHY should YOU have to fight “nonsense, misinformation and unsupported slander.” WHY should YOU or Abercrombie or anybody else do this??? Isn’t this Obama’s responsibility???

    Not really. It should be something we all should do: fight nonsense, ignorance and misinformation. But I doubt that you would really understand this ‘girl reporter on training wheels’. The concept that one can apply reason and logic may very well be a foreign concept to you.

    Kisses.

  123. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You are soooo behind the times!!! If the COLB would work in Court, which I think it would, then it should work OUTSIDE of Court which is what I have been saying forevah!!! The Long Form would work even better! The issue has moved on to WHY Obama won’t resolve the questions. Which you Obots are sooo hung up on “There shouldn’t be a issue” that you keep ignoring “There is a issue.”

    Ah, classic projection again!

    See, you’ve got it backwards, Squeeky. We aren’t hung up on the “long form” at all. Nor are we hung up on requiring any other docs or having any problems with the COLB that was presented.

    See. That means we’re fine and just dandy and satisfied with what was presented already and easily accept the reality that he’s been President for almost 2 years now and will be for at least another 2, possibly 6 more.

    Those that keep beating a dead horse and who are worried about a completely irrelevant “long form” – well, that is what I would call a major hang up. Those who still have trouble accepting election results 2 years after they’ve taken place….well, that is what I’d call a major hang up!

    What is most sad and laughable about you clowns is you have this fake concern for needing to see a “long form”…but for what?

    You do realize that any fields of data on the COLB come from any “long form” original, don’t you?

    THEREFORE, as the COLB lists the DATE of birth in 1961 and the PLACE of birth, in HONOLULU, HI, the “long form” would say EXACTLY THE SAME THING. So, it would be completely irrelevant to obtain, as we already have ALL the answers that would matter in terms of eligibility that it could provide- born in the US and over age 35.

    Sorry, other than years of residency, which a birth certificate can’t provide, there are NO other NBC requirements other than that. So, the COLB already gave us those answers. The “long form” doesn’t have anything additional of value to add to that. It would be completely useless in addressing your “concerns”. End of Story.

  124. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “The Long Form would work even better!”

    There’s a great example of that goal post moving b.s. in his little OMG LOL ruse.

    Playing hurt, innocent victim is another part of the trite operetta.

    It’s really nauseating but that’s the whole idea.

    As I and others have said many times, this is a twisted and demented fantasy game for a lonely troll who assumed the Squeeky identity and is sadly desperate for attention.

    Let him explain it again a few thousand more times.

  125. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    G:

    Maybe you need to vent some more??? Why don’t you vent some at Abercrombie??? He doesn’t agree with you, either. He doesn’t like us, and thinks we are all just crazy or something, but he is also doing the common sense thing and is going to try to get the documents to shut us up! Which Obama should have already done. I wonder WHY he hasn’t???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  126. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    G:
    Ah, classic projection again!See, you’ve got it backwards, Squeeky.We aren’t hung up on the “long form” at all.Nor are we hung up on requiring any other docs or having any problems with the COLB that was presented.See.That means we’re fine and just dandy and satisfied with what was presented already and easily accept the reality that he’s been President for almost 2 years now and will be for at least another 2, possibly 6 more.Those that keep beating a dead horse and who are worried about a completely irrelevant “long form” – well, that is what I would call a major hang up.Those who still have trouble accepting election results 2 years after they’ve taken place….well, that is what I’d call a major hang up!What is most sad and laughable about you clowns is you have this fake concern for needing to see a “long form”…but for what?You do realize that any fields of data on the COLB come from any “long form” original, don’t you?THEREFORE, as the COLB lists the DATE of birth in 1961 and the PLACE of birth, in HONOLULU, HI, the “long form” would say EXACTLY THE SAME THING.So, it would be completely irrelevant to obtain, as we already have ALL the answers that would matter in terms of eligibility that it could provide- born in the US and over age 35.Sorry, other than years of residency, which a birth certificate can’t provide, there are NO other NBC requirements other than that.So, the COLB already gave us those answers. The “long form” doesn’t have anything additional of value to add to that.It would be completely useless in addressing your “concerns”.End of Story.

    I’ll bet you can easily answer your post with exactly what he’ll reply.

  127. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    nbc:
    Not really. It should be something we all should do: fight nonsense, ignorance and misinformation. But I doubt that you would really understand this ‘girl reporter on training wheels’. The concept that one can apply reason and logic may very well be a foreign concept to you.Kisses.

    Nice job, NBC! You managed to dodge the whole scenario I set out. WHY YOU and not Obama??? WHY is the person who is being questioned not addressing it??? Why me and Abercrombie, and not Obama???

    There, there be dragons!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  128. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Oh, us Birthers are back on the Ed Show!!! You should turn it on!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  129. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    SqueekyFromm: He doesn’t like us, and thinks we are all just crazy or something, but he is also doing the common sense thing and is going to try to get the documents to shut us up! Which Obama should have already done. I wonder WHY he hasn’t???

    The answer is simple but it is also something you refuse to acknowledge. First of all, the President has provided us with all the necessary and available documentation that establish his natural born status. Furthermore, he, like any other citizen of the US is bound by the laws of the State of Hawaii which do no longer make available the long form certificate.

    You keep refusing to admit to these simple facts, you pretend that the President is failing to do something but refuse to accept that the facts, as usual, fully contradict you.

    I find that fascinating and helps explain why the US general public can be so gullible. A true ‘girl reporter’ would not make such simple mistakes.

    It’s that simple… And yet you continue to pretend that the President is somehow ‘hiding the facts’.

    That is somewhat foolish but understandable.

  130. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Nice job, NBC! You managed to dodge the whole scenario I set out. WHY YOU and not Obama??? WHY is the person who is being questioned not addressing it??? Why me and Abercrombie, and not Obama???

    Because Obama has better things to do than to worry abou the foolishness of some people who will refuse to accept any evidence. Instead, he is busy passing legislation which is taking our country forward.
    The reason why I or others on this forum are dealing with this is because we believe that there are still those who are misled by the foolish statements of those claiming to be ‘reporters’ or ‘researchers’ and who can benefit from hearing the facts rather than the musings of those who are not interested in dealing with the facts but rather see something sinister in the fact that our President has provided all that is necessary and is letting those who want to spend good political capital on pursuing foolish legislation and hearings into his past, hang themselves.
    It’s a beautiful political gambit which involves convincing one’s opponent that there exists a weakness which can be successfully attacked while in fact it is one of the stronger points. In this case, imagine the amount of effort wasted by the birthers on a non-issue, effort and time which otherwise would have been spent on opposing Obama’s policies. Just see how successful our President has been so far. And all you have done to ‘stop him’ has been to doubt his sincerity.
    I understand that you may feel a bit foolish but hey, I understand.

    hugs

  131. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Majority Will: Playing hurt, innocent victim is another part of the trite operetta.

    Indeed, but it’s fascinating how much effort is wasted on this while the President is passing his legislation, these birthers are foolishly wasting time, effort, money and resources and not to mention goodwill, while fighting the windmills…
    It’s fascinating how they can be so easily controlled and manipulated…But such is the problem with those who refuse to apply logic and reason and rely instead of fear and ignorance.

  132. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    NBC:

    Obama got SHELLACKED, and I don’t think he has done much GOOD. He Obama-cared us which is a joke. He gave the rich tax cuts which is a joke. He screwed up Financial reform stuff, which is a joke. The Economy is going to crumble, and the unemployment isn’t going anywhere but UP, except for people falling off the roles.

    And, you can repeat until you are blue in the face that the problem shouldn’t exist, or is a stupid problem to begin with, but that isn’t going to solve anything. That will take documentation. Soooo, I still ask WHY???

    Oh, maybe Obama is one of those people who like SHELLACKING???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  133. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    nbc:
    Because Obama has better things to do than to worry abou the foolishness of some people who will refuse to accept any evidence. Instead, he is busy passing legislation which is taking our country forward.
    The reason why I or others on this forum are dealing with this is because we believe that there are still those who are misled by the foolish statements of those claiming to be reporters’ or researchers’ and who can benefit from hearing the facts rather than the musings of those who are not interested in dealing with the facts but rather see something sinister in the fact that our President has provided all that is necessary and is letting those who want to spend good political capital on pursuing foolish legislation and hearings into his past, hang themselves.
    It’s a beautiful political gambit which involves convincing one’s opponent that there exists a weakness which can be successfully attacked while in fact it is one of the stronger points. In this case, imagine the amount of effort wasted by the birthers on a non-issue, effort and time which otherwise would have been spent on opposing Obama’s policies. Just see how successful our President has been so far. And all you have done to stop him’ has been to doubt his sincerity.
    I understand that you may feel a bit foolish but hey, I understand.hugs

    Since many birthers are admitted political enemies, it stands to reason that some of the action against the current President is a visceral reaction to the torrent of disdain for the results of the vast incompetence of the last two Administrations.

  134. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:Maybe you need to vent some more??? Why don’t you vent some at Abercrombie??? He doesn’t agree with you, either. He doesn’t like us, and thinks we are all just crazy or something, but he is also doing the common sense thing and is going to try to get the documents to shut us up! Which Obama should have already done. I wonder WHY he hasn’t???Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Wow, you keep having to proiect what you do onto others, don’t you? The only one venting here is YOU – ranting on about needing this unnecessary document and that unnecessary concern.

    I’m merely responding to you and your ilk and giving you a fairly straightforward smack-down on your silliness.

    Look, I totally *get* what is motivating Ambercrombie to feel that he must respond to this issue. So in that sense, he’s driven to provide the truth, just like us. Just like us, he finds you birthers to be disingenuous and annoyingly ignorant garbage-spewing trolls. So, I feel for the guy and what he’s about.

    However, governor or not, I’m not sure what exactly he can do, other than release info that has already been provided and make statements that have already been made. If he somehow talks Obama into giving permission to make his “long form” public, it will really just become a non-story in the end.

    For one, we already know what it will say – born in HONOLULU, HI in 1961. The rest is irrelevant.

    And secondly, we already know how the birthers will react – wail, stomp, cry, get angry and continue to come up with excuses, convoluted conspiracy theories and endlessly move the goal posts to remain in abject denial.

    So, the net effect will be a short blip of a news story and then back to business as usual. Birthers being obstinate birthers and Obama continuing to be President.

    Other than us passing the popcorn during that momentary flurry of entertainment, it will only provide a number of days of interesting blog posting activity and a few media mentions and that’s about it.

  135. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Majority Will: I’ll bet you can easily answer your post with exactly what he’ll reply.

    *sigh* I know…. I know…

  136. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    G:

    I have already addressed this. Abercrombie might be able to put bumpy ones into PUBLIC instead of just to that group. Abercrombie might be able to cough up the Long Form. Plus who knows what other documents. Like maybe the original report from the hospital.

    The difference between Abercrombie and you Obots is that he sees this as a problem that can be addressed, and maybe even resolved. Which to me is the common sense thing.

    Plus, like I have said all along, what can it hurt??? Nothing. except maybe if it works and there are less QUESTIONERS (Birthers) then some of you Obots may not get to preach as much and act all superior and stuff.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  137. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    SqueekyFromm: WHY YOU and not Obama??? WHY is the person who is being questioned not addressing it??? Why me and Abercrombie, and not Obama???

    I already answered it. Besides, the question has been answered to you and others on here multiple times. Learn to read without your hands over your eyes.

    You just can’t handle the answer you are getting and therefore are willfully ignorant.

  138. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Obama got SHELLACKED, and I don’t think he has done much GOOD. He Obama-cared us which is a joke. He gave the rich tax cuts which is a joke. He screwed up Financial reform stuff, which is a joke. The Economy is going to crumble, and the unemployment isn’t going anywhere but UP, except for people falling off the roles.

    I understand that your ignorance of what Obama has achieved fuels further your dislike of our President and helps us understand why you insist that the President is not eligible. But your likings are of little interest to those who are interested in the facts of the matter.

    Obama care, while hardly perfect, is a good step towards a public option. Obama Care has eliminated lifetime limits, pre-existing conditions, and has extended access to health care to more and more people.

    Yes, President Obama extended a temporary tax cut to the rich, but got an incredible deal in which unemployment benefits were extended and much more goodies. In addition, the President managed to use the improved climate to pass the elimination of the evil Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy in the military and pass the much needed START treaty with Russia.
    Quite a few excellent achievements which our president manage during the lame duck session after he had lost the majority in the House and faces a smaller majority in the Senate.

    The only person who appears to enjoy the shellacking is our wanna be ‘girl reporter’ who fails to comprehend that it takes more than asking silly questions to become a real reporter.

    Hugs and Kisses.

    Oh and Obamacare is but one of the many reforms which Obama managed to pass despite the Republicans trying to prevent the government from passing any legislation at all.

    So while we can all agree that much could be improved, one cannot or should not underestimate the achievements by our President in his first two years. Especially when three major wins were achieved during a lame duck session.

    The President’s initial stimulus package has managed to keep unemployment to single digits and the much maligned bailout may have cost us far less than ever hoped for. Sure, it was a shame that we had to waste so much money on the failures of our previous government to supervise and manage these financial institutions. Sure, it is sad to see how the ‘free market’ only served to make money for a few who were willing to cheat and lie, at the expense of our Nation and the hundreds of millions who live within. We witnessed another example of why ‘free market’ is doomed to failure.

  139. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    G: For one, we already know what it will say – born in HONOLULU, HI in 1961. The rest is irrelevant.

    Irrelevant except for the motivation of political enemies to spin any further information into more fear mongering and doubt for their own political gain.

    Birthers look at these records as a means to provide them with more respectable people to trash and harass, living or dead.

    They are deranged enough to consider it an honorable quest just like despots rationalize that it’s o.k. to lie, murder and torture as long as their goals are met.

    It’s a means to an end – delegitimize Barack Obama for any reason and at any costs even if it means breaking the law.

    For some birthers, racism is either a dominant motive or part of the plan.

  140. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The difference between Abercrombie and you Obots is that he sees this as a problem that can be addressed, and maybe even resolved. Which to me is the common sense thing.

    That’s because he has at least the option to provide such data as his administration controls the access to such data.
    The issue you refuse to accept is that neither we nor our President can force the State of Hawaii to release the long form.
    But we can point out that the President has released all that is needed to provide evidence of his natural born status and that the long form will add NOTHING to this, other than the name of the hospital and the attending physician.
    Now if you can explain how this affects his natural born status. But I presume that you will refuse to do so.

  141. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    nbc:
    Indeed, but it’s fascinating how much effort is wasted on this while the President is passing his legislation, these birthers are foolishly wasting time, effort, money and resources and not to mention goodwill, while fighting the windmills…
    It’s fascinating how they can be so easily controlled and manipulated…But such is the problem with those who refuse to apply logic and reason and rely instead of fear and ignorance.

    Hey, and if our part is to merely tie up their time and keep them occupied by spouting their nonsense here where we quickly rebut and smack it down, then that is less time that the more unhinged amongst them can spend on potentially causing harm to themselves and others

    …plus any time they waste here is less time they can spend annoying actual government officials and needlessly wasting our tax dollars.

    😉

  142. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    G: You just can’t handle the answer you are getting and therefore are willfully ignorant.

    But a position of ignorance makes internal validation so much easier as one does not have to combine conflicting data. It has always been fascinating to me how people deal with the dichotomy of internal beliefs and facts which contradict such beliefs. One way is to convince oneself that the facts are not relevant. The alternative would be too hard to many to attempt.
    But this also makes one extremely manipulatable and controllable.

  143. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    G: …plus any time they waste here is less time they can spend annoying actual government officials and needlessly wasting our tax dollars.

    Shhtt. Soros may not like you for sharing these sekrits…

  144. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    A good example of Squeaks can be found on her own website

    OK, this is a long one, but I promise to KISS. (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!) (LOL!!!) Anyway, there are TWO kinds of Birthers. There are Birthers like me who believe Mobamba was born in Kenya, and even if he wasn’t, he sure acts like it! We don’t believe the Birth Certificate on the Internet is real, and we are REALLY suspicious why he says he was born in Hawaii but his social security number is from Conneticut. Stuff like that. Dr. Taitz is that kind of Birther, too.

    Funny how she refers to KISS even though she now claims it refers to something else. Consistency may never have been her strong point.
    And of course, the SSN from Connecticut is another ruse which allows Squeaks from avoiding to accept the facts and instead focus on minor irrelevant mysteries for which good potential explanations do exist.
    Furthermore, there is NO evidence that supports the claim that President Obama was born in Kenya. But let’s not confuse Squeaks with facts as this messes up her internal validation efforts.

  145. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    NBC:

    OMG! You are just soooo wrong about Obama’s “achievments.” I don’t expect much from him, because like I wrote in an Internet Article, if he can’t solve a $10 birth certificate problem, how can he fix real problems like the Economy???

    The stimulus hasn’t done squat except for Wall Street, but you are just soooo wrong there isn’t any way to fix it all without writing a book. Here is one of my Internet Articles from a economist:

    http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/obamas-original-sin-it-was-the-banks-by-james-k-galbraith/

    Here is one that is all me!:

    http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/how-rich-people-are-like-mattresses/

    So try to read some stuff, ok??? I write a lot about stuff besides QUESTIONER (Birther) stuff. Just wait until my Squeekonomics gets going!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Plus, NO I am NOT trying to drive traffic to my website!!!

  146. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:I have already addressed this. Abercrombie might be able to put bumpy ones into PUBLIC instead of just to that group. Abercrombie might be able to cough up the Long Form. Plus who knows what other documents. Like maybe the original report from the hospital.The difference between Abercrombie and you Obots is that he sees this as a problem that can be addressed, and maybe even resolved. Which to me is the common sense thing.Plus, like I have said all along, what can it hurt??? Nothing. except maybe if it works and there are less QUESTIONERS (Birthers) then some of you Obots may not get to preach as much and act all superior and stuff.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky,

    1. Why would you think any of us ever had any ability to access or release his records in the first place? That’s a fairly silly comparison for you to make. LOL! Of course there is nothing we can do to address your desire for more information! We don’t have access to those records, nor do we care.

    2. You fail to understand that other than providing entertaining popcorn-worthy blog posts, I don’t care at all what Ambercrombie provides. He’s not a dumb guy, so he’s not going to break any laws.

    My point consistently has been that whatever he does will be IRRELEVANT and in the end, not change the “status quo” much at all. Birthers will remain in denial and Obama will remain President and going about his business of running the country. Other than a few days news story, its nothing but an entertaining sideshow.

    In the end, we’ll still be just as “superior” as before, as the facts won’t be different either way. Not that we’re trying or need to be “superior”… it is just darn near impossible NOT to consistently be on the right side of things, as we have been for over 2 years now – because we’ve been basing our info off of facts and reality. We don’t even have to try as this entire issue hasn’t been anywhere close to an intellectual battle for nearly 2 years.

    Again, if you put us in the position of having to explain to folks that the world is round and the earth is NOT made of green cheese, it doesn’t require much effort and its darn near impossible NOT to be in the “superior” position in those arguments. …there just truly is ONLY one real side to the argument and the other side is just amateur bogus arguments.

  148. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: OMG! You are just soooo wrong about Obama’s “achievments.” I don’t expect much from him, because like I wrote in an Internet Article, if he can’t solve a $10 birth certificate problem, how can he fix real problems like the Economy???

    But he did solve the $10 certificate problem. However, and this is where the true problem of your ‘argument’ is to be found: President Obama’s legislative achievements are undeniable, even if you continue to believe that he is unable to ‘solve a $10 birth certificate problem”.
    The problem with your argument is that you have to willfully ignore his accomplishments. Which is of course understandable.

    You may not expect much from him but you are also unable, unwilling or both, to address his real accomplishments.

    That’s the simple fact. Hugs and Kisses

  149. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Third-quarter economic and job growth was bolstered by the stimulus passed nearly two years ago, the Council of Economic Advisers reported.

    The economic stimulus passed in February 2009 added 2.7 percent to third quarter gross domestic product and “has exceeded the original goal” of creating or saving 3.5 million jobs by the end of the year, the White House’s quarterly report said.

    Report: Stimulus boosted economic growth, job creation

    Hugs XoxoxoX

  150. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The massive U.S. stimulus package put millions of people to work and boosted national output by hundreds of billions of dollars in the second quarter, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday.

    CBO’s latest estimate indicates that the stimulus effort, which remains a political hot potato ahead of the November congressional elections, may have prevented the sluggish U.S. economy

    Reuters

    Just trying to help you educate yourself Squeaks…

  151. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Why is Chris Matthews using the April 2010 poll from the New York Times, instead of the CNN August 2010 poll???

    But, for people who aren’t supposed to be a issue, we are sure getting a lot of attention!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  152. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    SqueekyFromm: But, for people who aren’t supposed to be a issue, we are sure getting a lot of attention!!!

    You’re not really an issue as much as a curiosity and of course, providing a lovely distraction of Obama’s policies.

    I love it how you have stood up to fill this much needed role in distracting the public.

  153. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    NBC:

    Sigh! You need to read some Economy stuff. Just look around you. Have you ever heard of something called a 99er???

    This person is real good about economy thingies, and his little chart is used a lot:

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=175910

    Plus, did you even read the articles I sent you the links on???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  154. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Why is Chris Matthews using the April 2010 poll from the New York Times, instead of the CNN August 2010 poll???

    The poll was conducted in July

    July 16-21, 2010

    AllAmericans Democrats Independents Republicans

    Definitely born in U.S. 42% 64% 37% 23%
    Probably born in the U.S. 29% 21% 31% 34%
    Probably born in another country 16% 7% 17% 27%
    Definitely born in another country 11% 8% 12% 14%
    No opinion 2% 1% 2% 3%

  155. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Why is Chris Matthews using the April 2010 poll from the New York Times, instead of the CNN August 2010 poll???
    But, for people who aren’t supposed to be a issue, we are sure getting a lot of attention!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Actually, Ambercrombie’ statement is why the issue is getting attention at the moment. So, he’s getting the attention and the birther movement just happens to be part of the joke.

    It truly is a desperate cry for attention when folks get excited that they are getting made fun of on TV… BUT…THEY…ARE…ON…TV…WOO-HOO!

    Its like some kid accidentally peeing his pants in the middle of the school lunch room and while everyone is pointing and laughing, he’s somehow thinking in his own mind…”wow…they finally *noticed me*…*score*!!!)

    LOL! Yeah….some attention just isn’t that welcome, Squeeky…

  156. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sigh! You need to read some Economy stuff. Just look around you. Have you ever heard of something called a 99er???

    Funny how you keep moving the goalposts. It’s hard to accept how the stimulus has helped.
    Glad to be able to help you educate yourself. Now if you only had a more adult-like ability to maintain focus, we could actually have a mature discussion on the topics. But instead you keep running every time you are shown to be wrong.

    Hugs

  157. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    nbc:
    You’re not really an issue as much as a curiosity and of course, providing a lovely distraction of Obama’s policies.I love it how you have stood up to fill this much needed role in distracting the public.

    Bread and Circuses indeed! 😉

  158. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    As to the 99ers, Beck seems to hold some pretty good opinions…

    Glenn Beck: “Some of [the 99ers] I — frankly, I bet, should be ashamed to call them Americans”

    But yes, long time unemployment is a real issue and hard to resolve but how this relates to the clear job creation effects of the Obama policies is beyond me.

    Perhaps you can clarify? I understand that Ed Schultz has been a real champion for the plight of these fellow Americans. We need more stimulus to expand the HIRE act but with the Republicans objecting to any relief for our citizens, it is hard to get everything done as it should be.

    But the blame clearly falls on the Republicans for having stalled much meaningful reform. Willing to destroy our country rather than provide President Obama with another win, they have managed to make themselves politically speaking irrelevant.

  159. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    G:
    Bread and Circuses indeed!

    Clowns and popcorn :-0

  160. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    nbc:
    Clowns and popcorn :-0

    nbc, FTW! 😉

  161. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus, did you even read the articles I sent you the links on???

    Now that’s irony for you…

  162. Joey says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Joey:You really can’t investigate the most important issue, which to me is WHY Obama hasn’t cleared this up. Answering WHERE is pretty simple, which makes the WHY even more perplexing. Obama has caved in on everything he promised, like not taxing the rich people, but on this one issue he is just a quiet as a church mouse. He spent all afternoon with some beer and those police people, but just nothing on the birth certificate thingy. I am telling you that Obama is just really psychologically sick if he is a American. Because only a really psychologically sick person would clam up like this. The Gallup Poll got Hillary Clinton right!!! But they really screwed up on Obama.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Obama “cleared up” the issue enough to garner 69.4 million votes when he posted a scanned image of his Hawai’i COLB on the internet for the entire world to see.
    But the old cliche’ becomes relevant here: “you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the Squeekys all of the time.”

  163. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    NBC:

    The Economy stuff is real hard to explain to some people. You think that we have done real good because of Obama or something, and that just goes against everything I am reading. Plus, I even ordered AND READ a whole Economy book, called Econned.

    A lot of the stuff that comes out on the economy looks one way, then when you start to get into the numbers deeper, you find out that the numbers are just totally screwed up. Like for example on inflation, Bernanke says there isn’t none, but when you go to the grocery store BLAM! all the prices are way up. Same for the gas station. Then you find out that the whole inflation index thing in America is just TOTALLY screwed up and they don’t count I think it is food and energy, or maybe it is housing and energy???

    Plus, then you find out that America does its inflation numbers different than everybody else in the whole world, and that if the price of something goes up, then it may not be inflation but something else, I forget what, that tries to measure the usable value of what you are buying.

    Then on GDP thingies, you have to be careful of those numbers like for example because of what is called unsustainable inventory growth. Which means that your GDP numbers shows going up 2.7% when really 1.7% say is inventory growth that will flop over next quarter to make those numbers not go up. So is today 2.7% or is it 1%??? This is the kind of stuff that I am becoming a expert on to put into Squeekonomics because most of this I can do except for the fractions part.

    Anyway, I am having a real hard time even convincing Obots that when there is a question about WHERE somebody is born, then it is a simple question which you answer with documents properly presented, and if they aren’t then something is fishy. In other words, just common sense stuff. Do you realize how much time and work it would take to convince Obots about Economy things???

    I wouldn’t have any fingers left, because on Economy things there are a lot of problems with the basics which are just totally screwed up to where some people get their Economy from a fictional novel about trains by a dead Russian atheist named Ann Rand. So here, you have to really do conceptual theory stuff, and most Obots (and I am not trying to be mean or anything) are just “little picture” people and theories are just way too hard for them. This is not a matter of intelligence, but how people process what they know, soooo that a person can be smart, but not very good at conceptualizing.

    But I am a INTP, so I can kind of do all this stuff, and even start from zero and learn about it and understand it pretty good in a hurry so that some people who know the real me say that I am scary, so I just went ahead and became a vampire! What the heck, I might as well just scare them good!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  164. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    nbc:
    Funny how you keep moving the goalposts. It’s hard to accept how the stimulus has helped.
    Glad to be able to help you educate yourself. Now if you only had a more adult-like ability to maintain focus, we could actually have a mature discussion on the topics. But instead you keep running every time you are shown to be wrong.Hugs

    In addition to the recent ones you mentioned, there’s quite a long list of accomplishments:

    http://www.daily-jeff.com/news/simple_article/4857392

    You would think a troll pretending to be a woman would appreciate:

    Signed into law the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, giving women equal pay to men.

    Of course this is irrelevant to the purpose of this blog and a red herring favorite of mentally challenged birther trolls.

  165. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    nbc: Willing to destroy our country rather than provide President Obama with another win, they have managed to make themselves politically speaking irrelevant.

    But it will make Boehner cry, poor thing.

  166. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Majority Will:

    That was nice list of stuff. I noticed most of it was “signing acts” so I guess Obama is truly very good at signing his name! BUT, I wonder how well most of the acts and things actually accomplish anything. For example, one thing was the Helping People Keep Their Home act or something like that. OH that has been a WINNER for sure!!! (NOT!)

    But, I am glad that his penmanship is soooo good!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  167. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The Economy stuff is real hard to explain to some people. You think that we have done real good because of Obama or something, and that just goes against everything I am reading. Plus, I even ordered AND READ a whole Economy book, called Econned.

    I understand why you would rely on a popular book and believe that you read an ‘economy book’. Fascinating…

    But yes, the fact that much of the regulations were dropped under Republican rule helped facilitate the eventual crash and burn we have seen in so many areas of our civilization.

    At the root, Smith blames the dogmas of economics, a field she decries as a champion of reckless self-interest and dangerously unrestrained free markets. Such “amorphous” ideas, she writes, became a “Trojan horse for a three-decade-long campaign to tear down the rules that constrained the financial sector. The result has been a massive transfer of wealth, with its centerpiece the greatest theft from the public purse in history.”

    A very true point. We have allowed our middle class to be weakened pushing more people towards the poverty level while the rich were able to generate real gains. This transfer of wealth is what has allowed our country to become weak.
    Of course, this is exactly what the Republicans have stood for and continue to promote.

    The problem is that now that we know what may have caused these failures, what are we going to do about them? So far I have seen no real options from our republican friends.

    Anyway, I am having a real hard time even convincing Obots that when there is a question about WHERE somebody is born, then it is a simple question which you answer with documents properly presented, and if they aren’t then something is fishy. In other words, just common sense stuff. Do you realize how much time and work it would take to convince Obots about Economy things???

    Another false dichotomy my confused reporter wannabe. First of all, you continue down a foolish path where you insinuate, contrary to fact, that there remains a valid issue of Obama’s location of birth which by any standard has been satisfied by the COLB and the official statements of the DOH. That some people refuse to accept the facts is indeed a problem as it shows how easily people are being manipulated into holding foolish positions. This level of ignorance is not new but the extent of it in our nation is shocking. Whether it comes down to the fact of evolution, the fact of global warming or the location of Obama’s birth, or the 9/11 conspiracy movement, there is a significant group of people who prefer ignorance over education.
    That you project this onto ‘Obots’ is fascinating but contrary to fact.

    And that is why you will unlikely be able to shake your ‘training wheels’.

    Hugs

  168. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    SqueekyFromm: But, I am glad that his penmanship is soooo good!

    I understand that to some having a president who is actually capable may come as a surprise.

    I accept that recent precedent has somewhat set our low expectations but we deserve better and with Obama we have at least a leader who is well informed. As usual, you make light of his penmanship while, as expected, ignoring his achievements.

    Ignorance my friend… it appears indeed hard to shake.

    Good luck, we are here to help you.

  169. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    SqueekyFromm: But I am a INTP, so I can kind of do all this stuff, and even start from zero and learn about it and understand it pretty good in a hurry so that some people who know the real me say that I am scary, so I just went ahead and became a vampire! What the heck, I might as well just scare them good!

    Self delusion is fascinating my friend…

  170. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    More from the Hardball interview

    Liberal columnist Clarence Page says the President is right for ignoring this “crap” and that there is little to benefit from attempting to legitimize the craziness of the birthers. Page even humorously suggests the likely outcome that would result if a document alleged to be the birth certificate is eventually produced, claiming “birthers are still not going to believe it, they’re going to say well that Governor is part of the conspiracy too, because he’s a Democrat.’”

    If history indeed is a reliable predictor then this is a winner…

  171. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    NBC:

    The Republicans probably won’t do anything good. They just keep repeating the same old Economy stuff like it is true and real, and it isn’t. They are worried about the deficit and can’t even tell the difference between liquidity and solvency, and don’t know how we aren’t Greece, for example. The best news I heard is that Hillary Clinton may resign, and if so, I hope it is so she can run for president, maybe even as a Republican this time.

    That is a good book, and you should read it if you get a chance and learn all about Lipsey Lancaster. Whoa I just thought of a Irish poem about that!!!

    Said Lipsey to Mr. Lancaster
    What if ball two just goes faster?
    Will ball number one
    Collide with the sun?
    Oh my, that would be a disaster!

    So Lancaster answered to Lipsey.
    The orbits they may get ellipsey.
    Or ball number three
    Might reach apogee
    Thus causing a lunar eclipsy!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  172. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The Economy stuff is real hard to explain to some people.

    Well, on this statement, you are correct, Squeeky.

    Of course the rest of your post has to keep diverging into stuff that demonstrates you are only beginning to grasp fundamental economics yourself and that you have an immature need to demonize others who think differently than you and somehow categorize them as inferior in this sense.

    For one thing, your birther nonsense and the economy…apples and oranges in terms of issues. Same goes for people’s understanding of such. So, to lamely categorize people as “Obots” (which I guess is anyone who is not a birther – so the majority of Americans of all points of the political spectrum I guess) and then attach some unsupportable conclusion to how they think on issues or the economy…

    …well, when you say such blanket sweeping stuff like this and then try to fluff up your own capabilities, it only reveals insight to your own personal insecurities and inadequacies. Completely textbook case of needing to pretend others are less than you to deal with your own insecurities. Sad, completely unnecessary, and so easy to see through.

    Anyways, if you’ve been spending all this time on trying to learn basic economics and haven’t been able to grasp yet that most of these major economic problems have been simmering and worsening over decades now… and that the just the economic collapse of late 2008 was a very severe and global impacting event that will take many, many years to fix…

    …then you need to get more realistic and realize that there are NO quick or easy fixes here and even fixing the underlying mess of the current economic situation barely addresses many of the other underlying problems that have been worsening for years.

    To pin them all on any one administration shows a complete lack of being serious about the issue. To think that Obama or any other president could magically fix and make all of those problems go away, EVEN if he didn’t have the Great Recession to deal with at all – well, that’s just woefully naive as well.

    There is a lot of blame to go around for how we find ourselves in the economic mess we are in today. When you take simplistic attitudes and try to play silly political games, you just further an environment that is hostile to allowing the tough choices that need to be made to address these issues and which only help to distract and support those that only wish to keep their heads in the sand and maintain some sort of “status quo” and kick the can down the road.

    Stop contributing to the problems with these distractions and try to actually support working towards solutions.

  173. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The best news I heard is that Hillary Clinton may resign, and if so, I hope it is so she can run for president, maybe even as a Republican this time.

    Self delusional AND delusional what a wonderful combination

  174. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    G:

    I have not pinned them all on one administration. Have you actually ever read any of my stuff??? Plus I try to study these Economy things. Do you know what I am doing right now??? I am watching this thingy about Enron on television while I compose music and check in on my computer to things.

    And as usual there is a Girl Reporter at Fortune Magazine that all the grunty little malebeasts at Enron were trying to intimidate because she dared asked questions!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  175. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    SqueekyFromm:The best news I heard is that Hillary Clinton may resign, and if so, I hope it is so she can run for president, maybe even as a Republican this time

    Why would she run as a republican? They share none of her values or her platform. Which makes me wonder why you ever rooted for her in the first place

  176. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Dr Ken Bobwater:

    Did you know that Hillary Clinton used to be a GOLDWATER REPUBLICAN??? Poeple can go back and forth between political parties. I used to be a Democrat until 2008, then I became a Republican. If the Democrats ever dump stupid Obama, I will probably go back to being a Democrat. You don’t have to just stay one for you whole life or anything.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  177. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Ken Bobwater:Did you know that Hillary Clinton used to be a GOLDWATER REPUBLICAN??? Poeple can go back and forth between political parties. I used to be a Democrat until 2008, then I became a Republican. If the Democrats ever dump stupid Obama, I will probably go back to being a Democrat. You don’t have to just stay one for you whole life or anything.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Translation: She was a PUMA. Her hatred of Obama really begins with the fact that he dared to run against her beloved HRC. So therefore, instead of accepting that she lost the primaries, Squeeky out of spite became determined to switch her vote to candidates diametrically opposed to everything her beloved HRC stands for.

    So, no true cherished political viewpoints being held by PUMAs, other than what sure appears to be crass sexism and vengeance driven on feeling that the world “owed” them a female president in 2008.

  178. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Ken Bobwater:Did you know that Hillary Clinton used to be a GOLDWATER REPUBLICAN??? Poeple can go back and forth between political parties. I used to be a Democrat until 2008, then I became a Republican. If the Democrats ever dump stupid Obama, I will probably go back to being a Democrat. You don’t have to just stay one for you whole life or anything.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    you were never a democrat. Hillary for you only represented a uterus you never held her values

  179. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Have you actually ever read any of my stuff???

    Not much there really…

  180. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    SqueekyFromm: And as usual there is a Girl Reporter at Fortune Magazine that all the grunty little malebeasts at Enron were trying to intimidate because she dared asked questions!!!

    You are not even in close to this category my dear delusional girl reporter wannabe.
    You have shown nothing that comes even close to you deserving such a ‘title’

    Sorry but these are the simple facts. And being a reporter involves more than asking questions. So until you show yourself to be deserving, you will remain squeaks on training wheels.

    xoxo

  181. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I used to be a Democrat until 2008, then I became a Republican. If the Democrats ever dump stupid Obama, I will probably go back to being a Democrat.

    For the benefit of both parties, it is best that you stay were you are. They deserve nothing less than your diligence and ability to be manipulated.

  182. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    G: Translation: She was a PUMA.

    A loser from the start… So upset that a black man dared to outwit a woman…

    She really never was much of a match.

  183. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    NBC and G: I want both of you to know that I forgive you for all the mean and horrible things you have said to me. If something should happen me tonight, because you know that tornados and earthquakes can just come out of nowhere, I would not want you spending the rest of your lives feeling guilty over your last words to me being soooo horrible and hurtful and just going around crying and in tears forever. I would not wish that fate on anybody to think that the last words they said to somebody was to call them a loser or something like that. So I forgive you in advance just in case something does happen to me and I can’t forgive you when you are one day feeling a whole bunch of remorse and stuff over this.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  184. Majority Will says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    As I said, playing hurt, innocent victim is another part of the trite operetta.

    Really nauseating.

  185. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I forgive you too Majority Will for all the angry words and pain you have tried to cause me. I am going away for the night from here. I am just going to sit here with Matilda and pet her, while Amanda and Tandy are curled up in their little beds asleep. I am sure Squawky, the poor little orphan blue jay, is safe somewhere in his little nest staying warm. Don’t worry about me, I will be okay I am sure. This is tornado season yet, and we haven’t had a major eathquake for years.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  186. Sef says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I forgive you too Majority Will for all the angry words and pain you have tried to cause me. I am going away for the night from here. I am just going to sit here with Matilda and pet her, while Amanda and Tandy are curled up in their little beds asleep. I am sure Squawky, the poor little orphan blue jay, is safe somewhere in his little nest staying warm. Don’t worry about me, I will be okay I am sure. This is tornado season yet, and we haven’t had a major eathquake for years.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Is Squeeks involved in a 12-step program?

  187. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 27, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    SqueekyFromm: NBC and G: I want both of you to know that I forgive you for all the mean and horrible things you have said to me. If something should happen me tonight, because you know that tornados and earthquakes can just come out of nowhere, I would not want you spending the rest of your lives feeling guilty over your last words to me being soooo horrible and hurtful and just going around crying and in tears forever. I would not wish that fate on anybody to think that the last words they said to somebody was to call them a loser or something like that. So I forgive you in advance just in case something does happen to me and I can’t forgive you when you are one day feeling a whole bunch of remorse and stuff over this.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Youre more likely to slit your wrists tonight than to die in an earthquake or tornado

  188. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I forgive you too Majority Will for all the angry words and pain you have tried to cause me. I am going away for the night from here.

    You are the only one who has caused yourself any pain. If you want to avoid pain, then I suggest you chose your words more carefully.

  189. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Dr Bob Noisewater:

    I forgive you too, because that is a really terrible thing to say to somebody who has never done you any harm or anything. I would not like to look down on you from Heaven and see you walking around town all racked with misery and distress, and CRYING YOUR EYES OUT if something happened to me and you had to just lay awake there in bed all night trying to sleep, and at 3:17 am, you just sit straight up and wish you could take it all back.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  190. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I want both of you to know that I forgive you for all the mean and horrible things you have said to me

    I have similarly forgiven you for your ignorance and inability to present any logic or reason. As to the pain that I may have caused you: the truth can often hurt, especially when one has a delusional opinion of oneself. Just saying…

    Hugs and kisses.

  191. G says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    SqueekyFromm: NBC and G: I want both of you to know that I forgive you for all the mean and horrible things you have said to me. If something should happen me tonight, because you know that tornados and earthquakes can just come out of nowhere, I would not want you spending the rest of your lives feeling guilty over your last words to me being soooo horrible and hurtful and just going around crying and in tears forever. I would not wish that fate on anybody to think that the last words they said to somebody was to call them a loser or something like that. So I forgive you in advance just in case something does happen to me and I can’t forgive you when you are one day feeling a whole bunch of remorse and stuff over this.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Hey, if the truth hurts, then take the pain and learn from it. I have no regrets for what I said, nor do I feel that I was “mean” to you – just trying to get you to face reality for your own benefit.

    Lame guilt tripping threats don’t work on me either and don’t garnish any sympathies out of me, so I’ll sleep soundly tonight regardless.

    Why don’t you try another tactic in life – acting more maturely and leave unnecessarily snipes out of your email posts? Also, try not having to mask insecurity with irrelevant boasts or projecting your habits onto others. What you do that, its too easy to see through it all for what it actually is and it makes you come across as a child instead of someone who can carry a serious conversation. So leave the fake emotional game play and any concern trolling and the other bad communication style habits out of it and maybe you’ll find that people react to you better.

    If you feel that people have been “mean”…you need to be more honest with yourself and ask what causes people to react to you that way? Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with how you say things and some of what you say. Honestly, I say this to help. You may not want to hear it, but if you faced some of the harsh and painful truths in life and just accepted and tried to learn from them, you might be able to fix a good portion of your problems in relating with others online.

  192. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    I would not like to look down on you from Heaven and see you walking around town all racked with misery and distress

    Are you sure you would not be looking up rather than looking down?

  193. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Youre more likely to slit your wrists tonight than to die in an earthquake or tornado

    I believe that statistically you may be right.

  194. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Also

    The children of ambassadors tho born abroad in a foreign country are considered as natural born subjects because their parents are not supposed to owe a natural allegiance to the government to whom they re sent but that which sends them and of course their children must owe allegiance to the same power. The children of aliens born in this state arc considerded as natural born subjects and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.

    Source:Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Printed by John Byrne, for the author, 1795

    Documented on this blog

  195. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    The children of ambassadors tho born abroad in a foreign country are considered as natural born subjects because their parents are not supposed to owe a natural allegiance to the government to whom they re sent but that which sends them and of course their children must owe allegiance to the same power. The children of aliens born in this state are considerded as natural born subjects and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.

    Source:Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Printed by John Byrne, for the author, 1795

    Also

    The people are considered as aliens born in some foreign country as inhabitants of some neighbouring state in the union or natural born subjects born within the state. It is an established maxim received by all political writers that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie that binds the subject to the state and in consequence of his obedience he is entitled to protection. This principle is founded in the fitness of things and nature of government. When man comes into existence he is incapable of defending himself and wholly dependent on government for protection he is therefore bound by the strongest principles to be faitlifiil to that government to which he is indebted for such benefits.

  196. nbc says:
    December 27, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    This may also help understand why President Obama has a CT SSN 🙂

  197. Sef says:
    December 28, 2010 at 12:23 am

    nbc: I have similarly forgiven you for your ignorance and inability to present any logic or reason.

    Stupidity is forgivable, ignorance is not.

  198. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Sef: Stupidity is forgivable, ignorance is not.

    Interesting point to ponder.

  199. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Well, you can forgive people for what they do to you, but I don’t know you can forgive them for what they are, or what they do to other people.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  200. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:41 am

    In that case I forgive you.

  201. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:46 am

    You are welcome. OH, plus, if you see Poor Fut, and I don’t, can you let him know there is a new forum where he can do his “900 days since” stuff??? It doesn’t belong to me, so he doesn’t have to worry or anything.

    Here is the address and there are a lot of gretawire people on it:

    http://gratewire.com/

    Thank you!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  202. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:50 am

    SqueekyFromm: Here is the address and there are a lot of gretawire people on it:

    I was never impressed by the quality of the arguments at Gretawire. Am I missing something?
    So let me ask you a question: Did you switch from democrat to republican because Obama beat Hilary?

    That would be truly fascinating.

  203. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Yes. The Democrats just caved in and it was whatever Obama wants, Obama gets. It was just truly SICKENING!!! And EWWW, I threw up a little in my mouth. Sooo, I became a Republican, and they are OK, except they just don’t even have a clue about Economy stuff. They are like those people who won’t go to doctors when they are sick, because everything will just cure itself! Talk about stupid!

    Sooo, I figure I will just have to teach them some stuff and I am going to become a Economy expert, because really to beat a Republican all you have to do is remember that they get their economy stuff from Ann Rand, who wrote a fictional novel about trains! Plus, she is a dead Russian atheist, and I promised somebody to read her stupid book, but OMG it is long! But I will do it.

    Sooo, this is where Squeekonomics is coming from. Oh plus, I have done a few lyrics for the Dr. Taitz song in the musical. You Obots are going to be sooooo impressed when I actually do songs! I just wish I knew more chords, because right now I am having to go through this chord book to find stuff that works with the ones I know. Trust me CMajor7 Gypsy is pretty hard to even find in the books, but did you know that DMinor7 works with it??? So I guess that means that FMajor7 Gypsy will work wirh GMinor7, because they are both one letter apart. But this is kind of hard and I don’t think just anybody can be a composer. And write good stuff.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  204. Keith says:
    December 28, 2010 at 4:47 am

    SqueekyFromm: Yes. The Democrats just caved in and it was whatever Obama wants, Obama gets.

    So you are a modern day John Connally then? Happy to be a Democrat and enjoy the perks of office until you get shot at and things sort of don’t go your way and your political rivals get the upper hand? So then you run away and hide behind the skirts of the Republican sycophants just looking for a turncoat they can parade around like…like…like…I don’t know, a Down’s Syndrome baby, maybe?

  205. Daniel says:
    December 28, 2010 at 5:22 am

    SqueekyFromm: Pretend YOU want a driver’s license. You give a copy of your COLB to some group to put a PICTURE on the Internet. Then you go to the DMV, and when they say they want to see a original, you say, “Go to the Internet! There is a copy there you can see!” The DMV is NOT impressed.

    The DMV has legislated authority to verify identity.

    You do not.

    They have the right anr the responsibility to see the actual COLB

    You have no right to see anything..

    but Obama did you a favor by making his COLB available for anyone who wanted to see the actual, non-picture version. You failed to take advantage of that opportunity. That’s not Obama’s failure…. IT’S YOURS.

  206. Daniel says:
    December 28, 2010 at 5:23 am

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, I became a Republican, and they are OK, except they just don’t even have a clue about Economy stuff. They are like those people who won’t go to doctors when they are sick, because everything will just cure itself! Talk about stupid!

    Unlike Squeeky, who is an expert about everything…..

    BWAHAHAHA!!!!

  207. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:00 am

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Bob Noisewater:I forgive you too, because that is a really terrible thing to say to somebody who has never done you any harm or anything. I would not like to look down on you from Heaven and see you walking around town all racked with misery and distress, and CRYING YOUR EYES OUT if something happened to me and you had to just lay awake there in bed all night trying to sleep, and at 3:17 am, you just sit straight up and wish you could take it all back.So There!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    There’s nothing to forgive just stating the truth. In most religions suicides don’t go to heaven so I don’t think you will be looking down from me from Heaven. Keep playing the victim squeeky we all know you had an abusive father and it shows. The only way you’re going to be able to better yourself is to accept it and stop acting like everyone is out to hurt you.

  208. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:02 am

    SqueekyFromm: Yes. The Democrats just caved in and it was whatever Obama wants, Obama gets. It was just truly SICKENING!!! And EWWW, I threw up a little in my mouth. Sooo, I became a Republican, and they are OK, except they just don’t even have a clue about Economy stuff. They are like those people who won’t go to doctors when they are sick, because everything will just cure itself! Talk about stupid!Sooo, I figure I will just have to teach them some stuff and I am going to become a Economy expert, because really to beat a Republican all you have to do is remember that they get their economy stuff from Ann Rand, who wrote a fictional novel about trains! Plus, she is a dead Russian atheist, and I promised somebody to read her stupid book, but OMG it is long! But I will do it. Sooo, this is where Squeekonomics is coming from. Oh plus, I have done a few lyrics for the Dr. Taitz song in the musical. You Obots are going to be sooooo impressed when I actually do songs! I just wish I knew more chords, because right now I am having to go through this chord book to find stuff that works with the ones I know. Trust me CMajor7 Gypsy is pretty hard to even find in the books, but did you know that DMinor7 works with it??? So I guess that means that FMajor7 Gypsy will work wirh GMinor7, because they are both one letter apart. But this is kind of hard and I don’t think just anybody can be a composer. And write good stuff.Squeeky FrommGirl ReporterSqueeky FrommGirl Reporter

    And Obama continues caving in and doing whatever the republicans want. We know you were always a republican and only became a democrat for Hillary. You never shared her beliefs or platform.

  209. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Well, here is the NEW Chris Matthews video from yesterday where he is asking the SAME questions I am! It was on The Drudge Report this morning!!! See, there are other people who think just like I do and ask common sense questions:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  210. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Yes. The Democrats just caved in and it was whatever Obama wants, Obama gets.

    I see, you allowed Obama to manipulate you into becoming a Republican. Fascinating… That Girl Power….

  211. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    SqueekyFromm: See, there are other people who think just like I do and ask common sense questions:

    Your questions are hardly ‘common sense’ but you are right there are other people who ask foolish questions while ignoring the facts.

    Sad really… And to imagine that Squeeks gets so much pleasure out of ignorance…

  212. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Well, here is the NEW Chris Matthews video from yesterday where he is asking the SAME questions I am! It was on The Drudge Report this morning!!! See, there are other people who think just like I do and ask common sense questions:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.htmlSo There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    from the guardian UK:

    “Orly Taitz, a prominent birther based in California, said that even if Abercrombie produced everything she would be suspicious of his motives. “To me this sounds like a very coordinated effort. As soon as a friend of the Obama family gets into the governor’s office he has access to all the documents. I would put nothing past this establishment.”
    –

  213. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    BatGuano:
    from the guardian UK:“Orly Taitz, a prominent birther based in California, said that even if Abercrombie produced everything she would be suspicious of his motives. “To me this sounds like a very coordinated effort. As soon as a friend of the Obama family gets into the governor’s office he has access to all the documents. I would put nothing past this establishment.”
    –

    STFU, Orly. This despicable attention whore needs serious mental help.

  214. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    also in the guardian concerning orly:

    “Taitz said that she was now trying to turn the Lakin story into a musical, and is appealing for Andrew Lloyd Webber to contact her.”

    i’m guessing orly will need to come up with 20-25million for production costs ( andrew likes a big spectacle ) unless she was just planning on draping some sheets between the sheds out back ala “our gang”.

  215. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Well I even hate to say this because you will all just think I am paranoid, but why didn’t we ever hear from Abercrombie before that he knew the Obamas and little bouncing Barack??? I thought there was just that one old lady who knew a doctor or something and was eating lunch in Hawaii???

    Then, here comes Abercrombie who suddenly just knows them all and is good friends with them and stuff and he is going to release the documents. BUT he doesn’t just go ask Obama who he was suuuucccchhh good friends with his family, but no he asks the Hawaii attorney general or something all to handle NOT Abercrombie’s problem but Obama’s problem???

    See, this is what you get when you just let something fester. Obama may get hoisted up on his petard here by trying to do whatever he has for 2 1/2 years. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  216. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Well I even hate to say this because you will all just think I am paranoid, but why didn’t we ever hear from Abercrombie before that he knew the Obamas and little bouncing Barack???

    There have been several press reports about the relationship between Abercrombie and the Obamas dating back at least a couple of years. You aren’t paranoid, you just have your facts wrong.

  217. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    SqueekyFromm: See, this is what you get when you just let something fester. Obama may get hoisted up on his petard here by trying to do whatever he has for 2 1/2 years. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

    You are again working from the flawed perspective that President Obama is not a natural born citizen. Which of course we know to be wrong.

    In fact, the longer he waits, the better it gets when those foolish enough to waste political capital and resources, will have to ‘eat crow’.
    I hope you have a healthy appetite my dear.
    As to Abercrombie, anyone who would have kept up with the facts would have been familiar with his close history with the Obama’s.
    But somehow our ‘Girl Reporter on training wheels’ appears to be uninformed. Do you believe that comes as a surprise to most of us?
    Look Squeeks, your continued inability to accept the facts is what makes you so manipulatable as your actions have become all too predictable. So your favorite ‘girl politician’ was overshadowed by a classy black male… And you decided to become a supporter of an old white male just out of spite?
    Hilarious…

  218. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy: There have been several press reports about the relationship between Abercrombie and the Obamas dating back at least a couple of years. You aren’t paranoid, you just have your facts wrong.

    A recurring theme for our wannabe “reporter girl”

  219. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    BatGuano: “Orly Taitz, a prominent birther based in California, said that even if Abercrombie produced everything she would be suspicious of his motives. “To me this sounds like a very coordinated effort. As soon as a friend of the Obama family gets into the governor’s office he has access to all the documents. I would put nothing past this establishment.”

    And Squeeks is wondering why the President did not release more information earlier… As is predictable by anyone with a sense of logic and reason, the birthers would just find another reason to disrespect our duly elected President. They will never accept the facts, they cannot…

  220. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    nbc:
    And Squeeks is wondering why the President did not release more information earlier… As is predictable by anyone with a sense of logic and reason, the birthers would just find another reason to disrespect our duly elected President. They will never accept the facts, they cannot…

    Goalposts with greased wheels on endless fields and a permanent, 24/7 moving squad.

  221. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Now that Squeeks has shown herself to be without any defensible arguments, can we expect her to return to her girlish taunting?

  222. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    NBC and Bats:

    You have to remember that I am NOT heavily invested in WHERE anymore, as much as I am in WHY. Because I think the WHY gives you more information about Obama and is more important. That is why I use KISS. Suppose that Obama was born in Kenya, and at 2 days old he came back to America. Well he is not a natural born American, but would it really make any difference outside of just legally??? I mean what did he get exposed to in 2 days of Kenya that would make him un-American??? Probably nothing if he lived here the rest of the time.

    Sooo, the WHY is a lot more important to me now. Because if you really think about it, we don’t want a crazy person to be president, not just because they might go crazy and atomic bomb somebody like Canada, but because they will do other stuff that is stupid on a smaller level, and plus not do things they are supposed to do.

    Sooo what all this means isn’t that I am working from FLAWED idea that he isn’t natural. Instead I am working from the idea that Obama is probably FLAWED. Mentally and psychologically. Because a UN-flawed person would have resolved this already, and since he hasn’t, then he is probably flawed, unless he is a Kenyan.

    Plus, thank you Dr. C. I have just never heard of Abercrombie before now. I will try to do some reading on the Internet.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  223. Scientist says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Personally, I believe there is at least a 5% chance that Abraham Lincoln was born Sven Magnusson in Norway to Norwegian parents, who brought him to the US as an infant and abandonded him, following which he was adopted by the Lincoln family. I have seen not a single document that disproves my theory. Certainly he had no birth certificate, short or long, electronic or paper. Therefore, my theory is approximately 100,000 times more probable than “theories” regarding President Obama, who has official state documents recording his birth in Honolulu.

  224. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Well I even hate to say this because you will all just think I am paranoid, but why didn’t we ever hear from Abercrombie before that he knew the Obamas and little bouncing Barack?

    google search: abercrombie obama’s parents. third article down.

    this is why real reporters have editors, fact checkers……. and do research.

  225. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo what all this means isn’t that I am working from FLAWED idea that he isn’t natural. Instead I am working from the idea that Obama is probably FLAWED. Mentally and psychologically

    So you have moved on from lack of fact logic and reason to character assassination. I see… But if you are working from a particular premise, you are forced to ignore the facts and make up what you believe to be ‘arguments’ which lack in logic and reason.

    Thus we come to your argument that he must be a Kenyan because anyone of ‘sane mind’ would have put the issue to rest. And yet we have shown you that:

    1. The president did provide us with all the data needed to put this issue at rest
    2. The concept that providing more information will serve to put the issue at rest is shown to be flawed when birthers have been shown to continuously move their goalposts

    So rather than blame the President, you may look for internal sources that cause you to behave erratically. Examples may include: switching political parties because your favorite ‘girl president’ failed to be able to compete with a black male, even though you appear to disagree with most of the things the republicans have to offer. You then are forced to ignore all the accomplishments of our president, trying to downplay them as ‘signing events’. You then have to make up claims about Kenyan birth, or mental instability of others, when a far simple solution has been available all the time.

    So Squeeks, before you continue down a path of irrational behavior, you may want to take a peek into the mirror and wonder: is this really the girl I dreamt on becoming?

  226. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, the WHY is a lot more important to me now. Because if you really think about it, we don’t want a crazy person to be president,

    currently “crazy” has nothing to do with eligibility.

  227. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus, thank you Dr. C. I have just never heard of Abercrombie before now. I will try to do some reading on the Internet.

    Educating oneself on the issues may be helpful although when one has invested so much in a conclusion, it may be too late.

  228. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    BatGuano:
    currently “crazy” has nothing to do with eligibility.

    You might want to double check this idea.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  229. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    BatGuano: google search: abercrombie obama’s parents. third article down.

    this is why real reporters have editors, fact checkers……. and do research.

    Or even do the ‘hard work’themselves… But Squeeks is different…

  230. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You might want to double check this idea.

    It may help understand an individual’s inability to apply reason or logic and refuse to accept established facts but in general “crazy” is too strong a term to describe the self deception found and observed.
    As to our President, I understand that your feelings may have been hurt when your candidate ‘girl president’ was unable to compete, an event which caused you to take some traumatic actions, but there is just no evidence that our President suffers from the problems we observed in our earlier president and in fact, we have identified many areas in which our current president shows understanding, as well as an ability to apply reason and logic. But I understand why some people may want to insist on ignoring the facts. And I feel for your traumatic experiences and hope for a speedy recovery.

    hugs

  231. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    SqueekyFromm: You have to remember that I am NOT heavily invested in WHERE anymore, as much as I am in WHY.

    I understand that the facts have forced you to move away from the where and are now trying to claim, without much luck, evidence, reason or fact, that the President’s disinterest in further providing any more evidence than presented, should be seen as evidence of something more than: let them take foolish steps, I am in a position of strength but it is interpreted as a position of weakness.
    Anyone familiar with the Art of War would realize that having the ‘enemy’ underestimate your strength and overestimate your weaknesses provides you with a tactical and strategic advantage.

  232. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    You might want to double check this idea.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    35…… 14year res…… nbc……. nope, nothing in the constitution on crazy.

  233. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    NBC:

    Here is what you miss by not trying to understand what I am talking about. You said:

    “So you have moved on from lack of fact logic and reason to character assassination.”

    Hmmmm. Let’s see, I think the fact that Obama HAS NOT resolved a simple question means there is something wrong with him, or he is a Kenyan. Somebody above said number 4 of KISS, which is SLIMY, or just using people for political purposes.

    Sooo, here comes Col. Lakin, and BOOM!, away to Leavenworth while Obama continues to refuse to resolve the issues. Nobody here is upset about it, because so what, Lakin is just another crazy Birther and if he goes to jail, then so what!

    But then some of you act all surprised when Obama caves in on the tax cuts for the rich, and wonder how in the world could he just do what is maybe good for him politically, and to heck with the middle class and poorer people. Who will not even get enough off the 2% holiday stuff to pay for the increased gasoline prices which is all going to Wall Street.

    You are surprised, but I am not because just throwing regular people overboard was a possibility under my KISS analysis. Lakin and the poorer and middle class are all the same to Obama. Just throw-away people.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  234. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Well I even hate to say this because you will all just think I am paranoid, but why didn’t we ever hear from Abercrombie before that he knew the Obamas and little bouncing Barack??? I thought there was just that one old lady who knew a doctor or something and was eating lunch in Hawaii???Then, here comes Abercrombie who suddenly just knows them all and is good friends with them and stuff and he is going to release the documents. BUT he doesn’t just go ask Obama who he was suuuucccchhh good friends with his family, but no he asks the Hawaii attorney general or something all to handle NOT Abercrombie’s problem but Obama’s problem???See, this is what you get when you just let something fester. Obama may get hoisted up on his petard here by trying to do whatever he has for 2 1/2 years. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Simply because you weren’t paying attention Freakers. I know Doc has addressed Abercrombie before. I’ve known of him for years. Then again did you know who Obama was before he ran for Senator? I know I knew of him years before just like I knew of Sarah Palin before she got picked out of obscurity.

  235. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Hmmmm. Let’s see, I think the fact that Obama HAS NOT resolved a simple question means there is something wrong with him, or he is a Kenyan. Somebody above said number 4 of KISS, which is SLIMY, or just using people for political purposes.

    You are mistaken here. The fact is that Obama has resolved the simple question, just not to your liking which is why you have invented your Kenyan birth story. But as they say, a false premise will lead to a false conclusion. GIGO.

    Sooo, here comes Col. Lakin, and BOOM!, away to Leavenworth while Obama continues to refuse to resolve the issues. Nobody here is upset about it, because so what, Lakin is just another crazy Birther and if he goes to jail, then so what!

    Lakin’s refusal to obey a lawful order does not depend on Obama satisfying Lakin’s curiosity. If the COLB and the official statements of the DOH do not resolve the issue, then what would?

    But then some of you act all surprised when Obama caves in on the tax cuts for the rich, and wonder how in the world could he just do what is maybe good for him politically, and to heck with the middle class and poorer people. Who will not even get enough off the 2% holiday stuff to pay for the increased gasoline prices which is all going to Wall Street.

    In politics the game is not always about winning on all fronts. What the compromise got us was a tax cut for the middle class, and extensions of the unemployment benefits. You are unable to discern the complete picture as you have forced yourself to ignore data you consider to be ‘biased’ to your beliefs.

    You are surprised, but I am not because just throwing regular people overboard was a possibility under my KISS analysis. Lakin and the poorer and middle class are all the same to Obama. Just throw-away people.

    The middle class and the poor are hardly ‘throw-away’ people but I guess, the real blame is not Obama as much as those foolish people who voted for republicans. Not to mention those who switched sides out of spite.
    As to Lakin, there is nothing the President could have done that would have made the orders unlawful and thus Lakin’s own actions doomed him to failure. If you no longer believe in duty, honor and country then the military may not be the right place for you.

    So stop blaming the foolish people who were hardly forced to go down a foolish road of ignoring fact, logic and reason.

    People should learn that their actions have consequences and if they allow themselves to be manipulated they need to learn the extent of the consequences.

    As to your Obama made me do it or Obama does not care, you are obviously unaware of Obama’s record in the last two years. I am not surprised but it does help understand better your shaky foundations.

    Look Squeeks, you were upset that a man outsmarted your ‘girl president hopeful’ and decided, in spite, to switch sides to a political party who has no interests at all in the well being of the poor and middle class. In other words, you became part of the problem. Now you may want to blame President Obama for your foolish actions but in the end you will have to reconcile your follies with yourself and stop blaming others.

  236. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Lakin’s letter was based on the following foolish misunderstandings

    Since the fall of 2008, I have been troubled by reports that your original birth certificate remains concealed from public view along with many other records which, if released, would quickly end questions surrounding your place of birth and “natural born” status. Many people mistake the online Certification of Live Birth for an original birth certificate. Until the summer of 2009, the Hawaiian Department of Homelands would not accept this Certification of Live Birth to determine native Hawaiian identity–the Department insisted upon also reviewing an original birth certificate. Many do not understand that the online document was from 2007, generated by computer, laser-printed, and merely a certification that there is an original birth certificate on file which may or may not be sufficiently probative. An original birth certificate is the underlying document that presumably includes a hospital and attending physician’s or midwife’s name that should lay to rest the “natural born” dispute.

    I hope that Squeeks can identify all of them… Hint: explain how the hospital or attending physician has any relevance to the location of birth?

  237. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    NBC:

    Face facts. The issue IS NOT RESOLVED. That is why you are here today on a website dedicated to this stuff. It is why Lakin is in Leavenworth. It is why Chris Matthews did the video. It is why Abercrombie is going to try to find some more documents. It is why there are millions of people have some degree of doubt where Obama was born. It is why there is going to be a musical. So no, the issue is not resolved. Or we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    You are in some major denial. No wonder you don’t make any sense. You don’t even know what planet you are on.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  238. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Here is what you miss by not trying to understand what I am talking about.

    You may be confusing “not understanding” with “not trying to understand”, a common fallacy. Or perhaps it’s because your understanding of grammar is still evolving? Either way, let me assure you that I am definitely trying to understand what you are talking about.

  239. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:Here is what you miss by not trying to understand what I am talking about. You said:“So you have moved on from lack of fact logic and reason to character assassination.”Hmmmm. Let’s see, I think the fact that Obama HAS NOT resolved a simple question means there is something wrong with him, or he is a Kenyan. Somebody above said number 4 of KISS, which is SLIMY, or just using people for political purposes. Sooo, here comes Col. Lakin, and BOOM!, away to Leavenworth while Obama continues to refuse to resolve the issues. Nobody here is upset about it, because so what, Lakin is just another crazy Birther and if he goes to jail, then so what!But then some of you act all surprised when Obama caves in on the tax cuts for the rich, and wonder how in the world could he just do what is maybe good for him politically, and to heck with the middle class and poorer people. Who will not even get enough off the 2% holiday stuff to pay for the increased gasoline prices which is all going to Wall Street.You are surprised, but I am not because just throwing regular people overboard was a possibility under my KISS analysis. Lakin and the poorer and middle class are all the same to Obama. Just throw-away people.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    That you think that even after he has resolved it just means you’re crazy and that there’s something wrong with you. You make up that 30% of dead enders who believe in random conspiracy theories despite the evidence. It like those who think the moon landing was a hoax using your logic NASA never put the theory that we did not really land on the moon to rest and so there must be something wrong with NASA and that means the whole moon landing must have been made on a sound stage in Hollywood. This is what your logic dictates. Using your same logic you can ignore all evidence because your tiny mind is overwhelmed. You can pretty much claim everything that doesn’t fit your narrow scope must be information that wasn’t put to rest and so the opposite of reality must always be true.

    You are trying to redefine KISS as something its not. The simplest explanations are always the best. The evidence shows birth in Hawaii therefore the simplest explanation is that he was born in Hawaii. Kiss also applies to you all evidence works against you, you continue to believe otherwise therefore the simplest explanation is that you use far less of your brain than the average human and are overwhelmed by simple concepts.

    Colonel Lakin has already admitted he was wrong when will you? Colonel Lakin’s orders had nothing to do with Obama’s birth status Lakin is going to prison because he disobeyed an order from his direct superior. If this was WW2 and Lakin did that he most likely would have faced a firing squad.

    Some of us act surprised when Obama caved on Tax Cuts? Really? Many of us here expected it. Obama has shown a pattern to sell out and “compromise” with the republicans. He did it with the stimulus when he lowered the amount of the stimulus and loaded it with tax cuts, he did it with the financial reform bill and when it came to making Bonuses be paid back by firms benefitting from TARP, he did it with the Health Care Bill when he took the Public Option off the table. It has become expected at this point that he would cave to republicans, even when he had the upper hand. Most polls stated the rich didn’t need tax cuts.

    None of this changes the fact that he was born in this country and is the legally elected President of the United States

  240. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Face facts. The issue IS NOT RESOLVED.

    Well, that’s perhaps true to you. Of course, anything that would undermine your ability to reconcile your foolish decision to switch parties, is likely not easily accepted and I understand that you may need some time to mourn your decision.

    It is why Lakin is in Leavenworth

    Nope, Lakin is in Leavenworth because he allowed himself to be manipulated to disobey lawful orders because he did not feel that the President had done enough to support his natural born status. You and Lakin may have something in common here, although Lakin at least was willing to put his whole career in danger.But in the end, he too had to admit that he had been foolish.

    You are in some major denial. No wonder you don’t make any sense. You don’t even know what planet you are on.

    I understand that we often feel the need to accuse others of our own follies and I understand that you are still attempting to reconcile your earlier, and what some may see as , foolish decisions, but honestly, I have presented the facts. That there are still some people who hold to foolish beliefs does not undermine the facts. The fact of evolution is well established and yet, quite a significant group of people do not accept the fact, because they believe, erroneously, that it conflicts with their religion. There are many examples where people hold to foolish ideas and while one may hope that these people’s minds can be changed with facts, the simple observation is that self deception remains a strong motivator for rejecting good facts and there is nothing that can be done to alleviate this condition. It’s well known and understood in psychiatry but the solutions are often not that simple.

    I have shown you the simple facts that show that you are wrong in arguing that there is a factual foundation for those insisting that the President is ineligible. Ofcourse, this does not mean that there may not be an emotional reason as to why people hold to such foolish beliefs. In some cases, they have taken steps they have come to regret, but they find it simpler to accuse others than accept the responsibility for their own actions. Then there are those who believe in other reasons why President Obama should be ‘stopped’ at all cost, mostly because they have been misled into believing that he is a Marxist, a Muslim, a socialist, a communist or even a racist.

    Sure there is still an emotional issue but from a factual perspective there is nothing left.

    So what is one to do? Facts are not going to resolve this, so perhaps a little bit of shock therapy. Have them believe that they have found an area of weakness and have them invest emotional and political capital in the issue, let there be hearings and then finally present them, once again with the facts.
    The choice is then clearly in their courts: Accept the facts or be seen as obstructionists. At the moment, there is little that can be gained from even more evidence, or even another Hawaiian COLB, perhaps even the 2010 model…

    It’s that simple. You are confusing two separate issues here. From a perspective of fact. logic or reason, there is no issue. From an emotional perspective, some people have found solace in the belief that the President may not be eligible. If that helps them accept the wide ranging legislative successes, in the hope that they may be repealed when the President is found to be ineligible then, even if the likelihood of success is non-existent, it does provide them with some hope, an anchor that will allow them to ride out the wave of change.

  241. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:Face facts. The issue IS NOT RESOLVED. That is why you are here today on a website dedicated to this stuff. It is why Lakin is in Leavenworth. It is why Chris Matthews did the video. It is why Abercrombie is going to try to find some more documents. It is why there are millions of people have some degree of doubt where Obama was born. It is why there is going to be a musical. So no, the issue is not resolved. Or we wouldn’t be having this discussion.You are in some major denial. No wonder you don’t make any sense. You don’t even know what planet you are on.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    NBC and the others here live on the Planet Earth which planet do you spend most of your time?

  242. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): NBC and the others here live on the Planet Earth which planet do you spend most of your time?

    Actually, this weekend I spent a holiday on Krypton, which as anyone knows is the Native Planet of our President.

  243. BatGuano says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Face facts. The issue IS NOT RESOLVED.

    for you, no. for congress, yes. that is the fact.

    other issues not resolved to the content of all people: creation, evolution, religion, earth shape, the moon landing, space aliens, sasquatch, moth man, psychic ability, 9/11…….

  244. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I hope that Squeeks understands that I do feel some compassion towards her position and I hope that she will find a way to reconcile her beliefs, her actions and the facts in a constructive manner that does justice to all components.

    Let’s see if we can work on getting her ‘training wheels’ removed. There is still some hope.

    Hugs and Kisses

  245. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    BatGuano: other issues not resolved to the content of all people: creation, evolution, religion, earth shape, the moon landing, space aliens, sasquatch, moth man, psychic ability, 9/11…….

    Speak of the devil

    All News Web has received information from government insiders close to the US President that Barack Obama has been given the go ahead to make an important ‘off ther cuff’ announcement regarding UFO visits and US contact with aliens. Allegedly DARPA has given this move the green light. The comments by the President will be made within the next month. Our sources claim this will not be outright admittance of UFO visits and contact with aliens, however the comments will come as close to admittance as any President has to date and will be made in the context of a speech on an entirely different matter. From what we understand The President will concede that there is ‘some evidence’ to suggest aliens might have attempted to contact Earthlings. All of this is said to be part of a warm up program leading to eventual outright admittance of knowledge of UFO and alien visitation by major world governments within three years.

    OMG

  246. kimba says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Here is what you miss by not trying to understand what I am talking about. Hmmmm. Let’s see, I think the fact that Obama HAS NOT resolved a simple question.

    As a casual reader here, it’s not that I don’t try to understand, it’s that I find it difficult to follow your logic.

    It’s not that Pres. Obama hasn’t resolved the question – he has, with legal proof of the place of his birth – it’s that people of your point of view refuse to accept the legal proof. People of your point of view cry ” The Constitution!” and yet you ignore the parts that don’t fit your agenda. A part like Article IV, Section 1, that says the federal govt and the other states accept the vital records documents of the other states, including Hawaii. Whatever Abercrombie produces, you’ll want more. You should be ashamed of the hassle and expense being caused to Hawaii and any court this foolishness has touched.

  247. Scientist says:
    December 28, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Squeeky: I am deeply offended that you ducked my challenge. It’s very simple-prove to me, using the same standards you apply to Obama, that Abe Lincoln was born in the US and not born in Norway and brought to the US as an infant as I believe he was.

    If you are unable or unwilling to do so, then you deserve nothing but ridicule and opprobium and should leave this blog never to return (in fact you can do the latter in either case).

  248. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    nbc: There is still some hope.

    No, there isn’t. The crazy act is a ruse.

  249. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Kimba:

    If there are still a bunch of people who don’t believe Obama, then the issue is DE FACTO (which is a legal term that means “as a matter of fact”) still unresolved. For example, the people who think Bush blew up New York still have a lot questions about it. I don’t. I think the Muslims did it! BUT, still there was a commission that looked into it, and people got all kinds of information and then it is still about 1/3 or so who think there was something fishy.

    So to me, the issue isn’t resolved. How can you say it is resolved it like 1/3 of people still have doubts. If you ask me if I think it SHOULD be resolved by now, I would say yes. But it isn’t. That is just reality.

    Sooo, like if there was something that the people who believed it were after, some document or something, I would be all for giving it to them. PARTICULARLY, if it was something that there was supposedly already a copy on the Internet. And if it didn’t hurt anything. And it might convince some people.

    Now, if you asked me would it convince everybody, I would say NO. Because there are some people who still believe we didn’t go to the moon, even though a television show showed how the flag could wiggle even without air. But that doesn’t mean you should provide what you can.

    PLUS, when you don’t do it, like Obama isn’t coughing up a long form or a bumpy one into PUBLIC, then it just makes you look like you are hiding something. Plus, when you start figuring out WHY somebody isn’t coughing it up, that tells you a lot about the person.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  250. G says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Kimba:If there are still a bunch of people who don’t believe Obama, then the issue is DE FACTO (which is a legal term that means “as a matter of fact”) still unresolved. For example, the people who think Bush blew up New York still have a lot questions about it. I don’t. I think the Muslims did it! BUT, still there was a commission that looked into it, and people got all kinds of information and then it is still about 1/3 or so who think there was something fishy.So to me, the issue isn’t resolved. How can you say it is resolved it like 1/3 of people still have doubts. If you ask me if I think it SHOULD be resolved by now, I would say yes. But it isn’t. That is just reality.
    Sooo, like if there was something that the people who believed it were after, some document or something, I would be all for giving it to them. PARTICULARLY, if it was something that there was supposedly already a copy on the Internet. And if it didn’t hurt anything. And it might convince some people.
    Now, if you asked me would it convince everybody, I would say NO. Because there are some people who still believe we didn’t go to the moon, even though a television show showed how the flag could wiggle even without air. But that doesn’t mean you should provide what you can.
    PLUS, when you don’t do it, like Obama isn’t coughing up a long form or a bumpy one into PUBLIC, then it just makes you look like you are hiding something. Plus, when you start figuring out WHY somebody isn’t coughing it up, that tells you a lot about the person.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Your examples of Birthers and Truthers are the same types of thinking as the Moon Landing deniers.

    All beholden to conspiracy clap-trap instead of truth.

    I say write them off completely. When someone is going to whine endlessly no matter what, there is no point in paying attention to their screams at all.

    Better of to completely ignore them. Nothing is going to change their mind anyways, so they are an utter waste of time. Nor is any birther likely to vote for Obama no matter what he does.

    So what does it say about Obama that he simply ignores such fools…that he’s smarter than most of us here.

    😉

  251. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Scientist: Squeeky:I am deeply offended that you ducked my challenge.It’s very simple-prove to me, using the same standards you apply to Obama, that Abe Lincoln was born in the US and not born in Norway and brought to the US as an infant as I believe he was.If you are unable or unwilling to do so, then you deserve nothing but ridicule and opprobium and should leave this blog never to return (in fact you can do the latter in either case).

    First, Mrs. Abraham Lincoln never said that Abe’s “homeland” was Norway. Second, Abe didn’t have a Conneticut social security number when he lived in Hawaii. Third, there wasn’t any controversy that I know about him being born somewhere else.

    Plus, you obviously have done the science stuff or you would have read my Internet Articles. Isn’t the first thing you are supposed to do is read the literature on stuff to see what is out there??? Sooo, you obviously haven’t read my stuff or you would realize that I support a RANGE of possibilities to explain Obama’s refusal to resolve this issue.

    Are you sure you aren’t one of those global warming scientists??? You know the ones who fudge stuff??? OH, score one for Squeeky!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  252. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    G: I say write them off completely. When someone is going to whine endlessly no matter what, there is no point in paying attention to their screams at all.

    And yet, here we are? 😉

  253. Scientist says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    SqueekyFromm: First, Mrs. Abraham Lincoln never said that Abe’s “homeland” was Norway.

    Can you prove she didn’t? You can’t. Besides, my theory is Abe didn’t know about his birth-his parents kept it from him.

    SqueekyFromm: Second, Abe didn’t have a Conneticut social security number when he lived in Hawaii.

    No,but he had a Connecticut # when he lived in Illinois. Fact.

    SqueekyFromm: Third, there wasn’t any controversy that I know about him being born somewhere else.

    There absolutely is. There are numerous internet posts regarding Abe Lincoln’s birth in Norway on Dr. Conspiracy’s blog, among others There is even a memorial to Lincoln iin Oslo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7486366@N08/2125903058/ Can you show me the memorial to Obama in Nairobi? Of course you can’t.

    Besides, you think anytime anyone says something un true about someone, the victim of the slanders then have to prove them wrong? You are perverted.

    SqueekyFromm: Plus, you obviously have done the science stuff or you would have read my Internet Articles

    Which peer-reviewed scientific journals have your articles appeared in?

    SqueekyFromm: Are you sure you aren’t one of those global warming scientists??? You know the ones who fudge stuff??? OH, score one for Squeeky!!!

    Well, if you actually read the literature, rather than politiclly motivated crappola you would know there is no fudging at all. Global climate change is not in question (what to do about it is).

    Score -2,365 for Squeeky.

    Now once again (you are a slow learner), I say Abe Lincoln was born in Norway. Can you disprove that? If not, be gone.

  254. kimba says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Kimba: If you ask me if I think it SHOULD be resolved by now,

    It is. You’re the one comparing birthers to 9/11 truthers and lunar landing deniers and I believe your comparison is accurate. No amount of information will convince someone who thought 9/11 was an inside job that it wasn’t. No amount of information will convince someone who doesn’t believe we landed on the moon that we indeed did. So too with birthers. Nothing Pres Obama or Gov Abercrombie releases will satisfy the hard core birthers. But by releasing additional proof of his birth in Hawaii, Abercrombie will succeed in marginalizing the birthers who will say it’s not the place, it’s parents and British citizenship and Indonesia. You’ll sound just like the kooks yammering about WTC 7 and the gold. Nothing can be done for them but to leave them to their delusion. As it will be with “it’s not the place that counts” birthers.

    If by “bumpy” you mean a raised seal, it’s there. But you knew that. Another false birther assertion.
    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

  255. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Scientist:

    Maybe the other Obots can help me convince you Abraham Lincoln was not born in Norway? Here is my plan:

    1) We get a copy of Lincolns short form birth certificate, with hardly any information on it, and rather than let YOU see it, or put it in a PUBLIC place for you and people like you to see, we will instead just give it to some special group and they can just put a PICTURE on the Internet.

    2) Plus, we will get some person nobody ever heard of in Illinois to swear that she has seen the original birth papers and YES, Lincoln was born there!

    That ought to work!!! You will probably just be soooo convinced!!! BUT, if you aren’t, then we go to Linkbot Plan B! Which is:

    1) We will call you names!
    2) We will refuse to put any other document out for you to see, even though we could.
    3) We will tell everybody you are just stubborn, and that there is just no way in the Universe that we could ever possibly convince you if what we already did didn’t work.
    4) We will invent all kinds of stupid reasons NOT to give you the document or two that it would take to convince you, or even be a reasonable answer to you.

    Oh, I bet you will just roll over and BELIEVE then!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  256. kimba says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus, you obviously have done the science stuff or you would have read my Internet Articles. Isn’t the first thing you are supposed to do is read the literature on stuff to see what is out there???

    You are seriously off your nut if you think what you write and stick on the internet is “literature” or research material on this topic.

  257. Scientist says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    If you showed me a birth certificate for Lincoln issued by Kentucky (it was never claimed Lincoln was born in Illinois-he moved there as a young man, just like Obama) I will drop my Norwegian theory like a hot potato. i will not need the Governor of Kentucky to vouch for it either.

    That is because i am a reasonable person who bases their conclusions on evidence. Yet you are willing to believe stuff about where Lincoln was born on no evidence whatsoever.

    You have utterly failed to meet the challenge. You are a joke. Have a nice life. Now F-OFF!!!!

  258. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Kimba:

    Have you read any of my Internet Articles??? Here is my White Paper I did about New Horizons in Birtherism:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-horizons-in-birtherism-white-paper.html

    Plus, I am working on a new one, Birther 2.0 which I have just got to get back on and do. Plus, there are some more good articles at the other website, which is the wordpress one. It is just on my blue name thingy by this post. Plus a lot of my stuff isn’t just Birther stuff because I have a lot of interests. Plus, I am about to start doing a lot of Squeekonomic posts on Economy issues. You might actually enjoy my Internet Articles, but I am not trying to drive traffic to my website.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  259. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Scientist:

    Well I guess I sure hit a nerve with you!!! Good, because that is exactly the kind of foolishness you want me to believe. And when me and other people have questions, then that is also how you treat us.

    The truth is that if you had doubts, that approach wouldn’t work with you either. Sooo, you are mad because I am showing you that you aren’t so smart after all!!! So stomp your little feet and throw a tantrum.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  260. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Kimba:Have you read any of my Internet Articles??? Here is my White Paper I did about New Horizons in Birtherism:http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-horizons-in-birtherism-white-paper.htmlPlus, I am working on a new one, Birther 2.0 which I have just got to get back on and do. Plus, there are some more good articles at the other website, which is the wordpress one. It is just on my blue name thingy by this post. Plus a lot of my stuff isn’t just Birther stuff because I have a lot of interests. Plus, I am about to start doing a lot of Squeekonomic posts on Economy issues. You might actually enjoy my Internet Articles, but I am not trying to drive traffic to my website.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Good lord you are nothing more than an attention wh*re. Your whole purpose for being here is not to engage in meaningful discussion but to plug your irrational drivel that no one of import ever reads. Many people knew who the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health was and how she spoke in her official capacity. She wasn’t “someone no one has heard of in the state”. She was the person in charge of vital records. This just shows how far gone your brain is. Please stop wasting the air God has given you nothing that comes out of your mouth is ever logical but rather an insult to anyone who actually has down’s syndrome.

  261. James M says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    >How can you say it is resolved it like 1/3 of people still have doubts.

    1/3 of which people? 1/3 of federal judges? 1/3 of the US House? 1/3 of the staff of the Hawaii Vital Records Department?

  262. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Scientist:Well I guess I sure hit a nerve with you!!! Good, because that is exactly the kind of foolishness you want me to believe. And when me and other people have questions, then that is also how you treat us.
    The truth is that if you had doubts, that approach wouldn’t work with you either. Sooo, you are mad because I am showing you that you aren’t so smart after all!!! So stomp your little feet and throw a tantrum.So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Now that you’ve gone through 4 steps already what are the other 8?

    Thus far we have Squeeky the Victim, Squeeky in denial, squeeky ignoring reality, squeeky coming to acceptance that her mind doesn’t work right.

  263. Scientist says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    SqueekyFromm: So There!!!

    Wow! Your brilliance amazes me. Yet you are unable to answer my simple challenge-You have NO evidence that Abe Lincoln was born in the US, do you? None at all. Not a scintilla. Yet you believe it’s true.

    On the other hand you have to admit there is actual evidence (even if you consider it imperfect) that Obama was born in the US. So you believe something with no evidence at all, yet disbelieve something else where there is actual evidence.

    That can only be called perverted.

  264. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Dr Ken Ross:

    Oh, sooo you are just soooo good, and of such “import” that you just can’t bring yourself to read anything by little old me! Thank you for letting me know how good you are!!! I hadn’t picked up this by just reading your posts. I just thought you were a regular person.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  265. kimba says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    SqueekyFromm: … but I am not trying to drive traffic to my website.

    It’s obviously the only reason you’re here.

  266. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    kimba:
    It’s obviously the only reason you’re here.

    Sometimes I wonder myself why I try. What if it is that I secretly like all the verbal abuse??? OMG, I hope that’s not it!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  267. charo says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    For you Squeeky:

    “The early responses were largely encouraging, but some correspondents questioned Lincoln’s eligibility. The problem was that the Illinois Constitution forbade a member of the state legislature from running for federal office, and Lincoln was a member of the new legislature. Although a former congressman, he had agreed to run as a state representative because his popularity would help the local ticket. Fehrenbacher calls the mix-up “a surprising oversight for an eminent attorney at law.”9 It was actually not much of an oversight, however. The state constitution was only six years old and untested in many areas. The clause concerning Lincoln’s eligibility would later be proven unconstitutional on the grounds that no state may alter requirements for federal office. Only two years before, another member of the legislature had been the Whig nominee for U.S. Senate. The restriction was dubious and open to challenge. 9
    Yet Lincoln chose to resign his seat. For someone who took so much pride in public service, resignation must have been difficult. But Lincoln wanted no doubts about his eligibility. There had been questions during the last senatorial election. Shields, a native of Ireland, was elected before he had been a naturalized citizen for seven years. The Democratic governor endured public scorn while he delayed calling a second election until after Shields had passed the required mark.10 Realizing that legislators might be sensitive to [End Page 5] creating another embarrassment for the state, Lincoln prevented any problems with a quick exit. His decision left no doubts about his ambition.” 10

  269. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    SqueekyFromm: If there are still a bunch of people who don’t believe Obama, then the issue is DE FACTO (which is a legal term that means “as a matter of fact”) still unresolved.

    That’s foolish. The fact of evolution has been resolved even though a significant portion of the US people refuse to accept it.

    So the issue is resolved, just not to the satisfaction of those foolish enough to hold a belief that runs against the facts.

    it’s really that simple

  270. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Have you read any of my Internet Articles???

    Not very impressive but I guess that’s why you are still on training wheels.
    I appreciate your passion even though you still seem to have trouble with logic and reason

  271. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    kimba: It’s obviously the only reason you’re here.

    and even there she is failing

  272. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sometimes I wonder myself why I try. What if it is that I secretly like all the verbal abuse??? OMG, I hope that’s not it!!!

    You appear to be confusing verbal abuse with facts. I understand that this is somewhat of a complex issue where you believe that anyone who is correcting you on the facts is ‘abusing’ you.
    It’s simply that you have no facts to present, and lack in reason and logic. And despite all this you believe somehow that you are quite capable of learning new issues. Funny really…

  273. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Scientist: Wow! Your brilliance amazes me. Yet you are unable to answer my simple challenge-You have NO evidence that Abe Lincoln was born in the US, do you? None at all. Not a scintilla. Yet you believe it’s true.

    Of course, anyone knows this… Of course, when there is an example where there is far more evidence to support Obama’s natural born status, Squeeks somehow holds to different standards.
    That is hilarious and so well exposed by our friend the Scientist.

  274. G says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Majority Will:
    And yet, here we are?

    Well, I guess it has become our hobby. It most certainly is not Obama’s. 🙂

  275. kimba says:
    December 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sometimes I wonder myself why I try. What if it is that I secretly like all the verbal abuse??? OMG, I hope that’s not it!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    What if it is that you secretly are an Obot and you got tired of the whackos at GretaWire ?

  276. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    To me it’s the fascination of seeing what appear to be grown-up, or at least adult people making themselves look foolish through ignorance, and failure to apply logic and reason. When they furthermore appear to be fully unaware of their ignorance, it helps understand much of the research done in this area.

    When facts are so easily available, I find it fascinating to see some people insist on outrageous explanations rather than having to accept the simple facts.

    And rather than admitting that they were wrong, they protect themselves with a level of delusion which is mind boggling to me. I have certainly heard of the studies that show the foundations for such behavior but seeing it in real life is just too much fun and has an incredible educational value.
    In the end there may even be some hope that those affected by this may benefit themselves.
    But that’s perhaps just a foolish hope.

  277. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    kimba: What if it is that you secretly are an Obot and you got tired of the whackos at GretaWire ?

    ROTFL… Who would not want to be part of the much coveted Obot-Society

  278. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    There are some very nice people at gretawire, even some of the Obots are polite and know how to speak to people in a civilized fashion. We simply agree to disagree. Poor Fut would get out of control sometimes. Bovilexia was pretty easy to beat WITH LOGIC. I just OWNED both of them!!!

    Anyway, there are some new alternative forums for the greatwire people, and I go there now and post stuff. Plus my own blogs, plus my music, and plus my Economy stuff keeps me pretty busy. Plus, the real me has to do stuff, too, and has another website for poetry. Plus, I am on some REAL ART websites with my poetry and things!!! All of which I am just sooo far behind on I may never catch up. Plus planning for the end of the world as we know it, because there are people who are trying to preserve knowledge to rebuild society and I am a part of it!!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  279. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    nbc:
    ROTFL… Who would not want to be part of the much coveted Obot-Society

    Domo arigato, Mr. Oboto.

  280. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I just OWNED both of them!!!

    THere we go again Squeeks… Have you not learned from your past failures?

  281. nbc says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    SqueekyFromm: So There!!!

    Have you thought about getting a boyfriend or perhaps a cat?

  282. Sef says:
    December 28, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus planning for the end of the world as we know it, because there are people who are trying to preserve knowledge to rebuild society and I am a part of it!!!

    She actually thinks she would survive “the end of the world?” The humor never ends.

  283. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    nbc:
    Have you thought about getting a boyfriend or perhaps a cat?

    Or rechargeable batteries.

  284. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    No, I am being serious. There really are people who are trying to make sure that there are books and things on how to do stuff, for after society crumbles, and maybe even hundreds of years later. I think I am supposed to work on guitar strings maybe, I forget and have to go back and check, but everybody has a little something they hold onto like in the Dark Ages, so one day civilization can start over again.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  285. NbC says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    I think I am supposed to work on guitar strings maybe,

    And you claim to being serious… In one paragraph you manage to contradict your self already.

  286. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Ken Ross:Oh, sooo you are just soooo good, and of such “import” that you just can’t bring yourself to read anything by little old me! Thank you for letting me know how good you are!!! I hadn’t picked up this by just reading your posts. I just thought you were a regular person.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I read enough of you in here as it is. Regular people are far above you Freakers at least they know how to use logic and reason

  287. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    SqueekyFromm: but I am not trying to drive traffic to my website.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    That has to be one of the biggest lies you have told thus far. Since you started posting here you haven’t gone one thread without mentioning your “blogs, articles” or even your website at least 5 different times. In fact just today alone you mentioned your articles 5 times including a link to one of your “articles”. When you’re not talking about your articles you talk about yourself. Most of your time here is dedicated to you doing that. Lets see if you can take up this challenge during the next week of you posting here don’t talk about yourself, your website, or your articles. I don’t think you can do it.

  288. NbC says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Since you started posting here you haven’t gone one thread without mentioning your “blogs, articles” or even your website at least 5 different times.

    But one visit to the site is sure to cure anyone from any wish of ever wanting to revisit.

  289. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Dr. Bob Rainwater:

    Well I wish you would tell daniel, because he was sure in the dark about it!!! Dr. C even had to do up a list to find the few little spots where I ever mentioned it!!!

    Plus, NBC, I went back and checked and it was strings for musical instruments, but I was just going to think about it. There wasn’t a deadline or anything.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    OH, Plus too, I have 3 cats and a poor little orphan bluejay named Squawky, who I may have not ever mentioned either.

  290. Majority Will says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    It’s Doc’s site.

    I’m tired of looking at dog vomit.

    I’m out. Enjoy being played.

  291. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Rainwater:Well I wish you would tell daniel, because he was sure in the dark about it!!! Dr. C even had to do up a list to find the few little spots where I ever mentioned it!!!Plus, NBC, I went back and checked and it was strings for musical instruments, but I was just going to think about it. There wasn’t a deadline or anything.So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl ReporterOH, Plus too, I have 3 cats and a poor little orphan bluejay named Squawky, who I may have not ever mentioned either.

    I see Daniel’s comparison to your denial about Obama’s birth certificate flew right over your head as much as everything else does.. See I knew you couldn’t go even a few minutes without talking about yourself

  292. NbC says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    SqueekyFromm: OH, Plus too, I have 3 cats and a poor little orphan bluejay named Squawky, who I may have not ever mentioned either.

    In that case, you need a boyfriend. And yes, you did mention your cats on your site. 26 and cats and strange hours online. Now that would worry any mother. I understand however that you considered changing its name to Squawky And according to your story, it was not an orphan but a chick that fell out of its nest.

    Accuracy does help.

  293. NbC says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I see Daniel’s comparison to your denial about Obama’s birth certificate flew right over your head as much as everything else does.. See I knew you couldn’t go even a few minutes without talking about yourself

    Well, at least we are polite enough to listen and can always ignore. But imagine those poor cats and bluejay…

  294. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    NBC:

    You should be nicer to people because you just never know for real when somebody could just BLAM! keel over! Like I think I almost just did. I wouldn’t even talk about this, but it could happen to one of you too, so I am just going to go ahead and warn people even though you will probably just find a way to tease me about it. But human life is special so I will just have to put up with all the RUDE comments you will probably make.

    Anyway, I was eating a baked potato and surfing youtube, when my head started feeling all weird and funny. I am being serious. It felt like my ears were coming off my head from pressure inside. I started to get dizzy and stuff, and was feeling very nauseated, and then my temples started throbbing. Sooo, I am thinking what is going on here, HOLY CRAP!!! am I dying or something, then I noticed there was like a hum in my ears.

    It was my guitar amp that was on and my guitar was leaning up against it, and it had started making this low hummy noise all on its own, and so I reached over and turned the amp off, and the head pressure stopped right away. So, this is for real, and I am going to look it up, but I remember seeing about people who were protesting the New World Order and the police had a new thing that did this to the protesters or something like this, and my head still hurts and I am still nauseated, but the pressure is gone.

    Sooo, go ahead and just tease me, but be careful to turn your amp off when you are resting or something or this could happen to you. This is probably a big mistake I am making even telling you about it.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  295. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:16 am

    A vivid imagination, no foundation in reality, facts or logic. Sorry Squeeks, go pet your cats.

  296. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Seems that Squeeks has given up arguing that there is a real issue because some people foolishly hold to a claim that is contradicted by fact, logic and reason.

    So now she is back to playing the ‘innocent little girl’. Sorry Squeeks, you will have to wear those training wheels for quite some time before you can graduate.

  297. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:36 am

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:You should be nicer to people because you just never know for real when somebody could just BLAM! keel over!

    That would be unfortunate but being nicer or not is not going to change this much. If you need special treatment because of your more sensitive nature or because of conflicts with your internal validation, then I suggest you take a break.
    If you want to play with the grups, you need to be able to handle the inevitable exposure to real facts, logic and reason. Don’t be afraid, you too can eventually become a master at these capabilities, if you so chose.

  298. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:37 am

    NBC:

    I figured it was hopeless to try to warn people here about this. But I put it on my website and at the gratewire forum, and tried to put it at gretawire but it is in moderation. Plus, I have to add it to some other places. Plus, I found where low frequency sound can cause the pressure feeling I felt in my ears. But just go ahead and tease me. At least I can sleep tonight knowing that I warned people about this. I did the right thing even if it subjects me to more ridicule.I wonder why there isn’t more stuff about guitar amps causing it??? There was one place that talked about using your head as a “speaker cavity”, but that was not thought safe.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  299. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Get a boy friend, live life and worry less about the pressure between your ears. It’s probably just letting off steam… Hot air, cavity and water…

  300. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:00 am

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:I figured it was hopeless to try to warn people here about this. But I put it on my website and at the gratewire forum, and tried to put it at gretawire but it is in moderation. Plus, I have to add it to some other places. Plus, I found where low frequency sound can cause the pressure feeling I felt in my ears. But just go ahead and tease me. At least I can sleep tonight knowing that I warned people about this. I did the right thing even if it subjects me to more ridicule.I wonder why there isn’t more stuff about guitar amps causing it??? There was one place that talked about using your head as a “speaker cavity”, but that was not thought safe.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Shut up about your stupid website. Once again you claiming you’re not here to drive traffic to your website doesn’t square with the reality that you can’t go a few posts without talking about your website, your “articles” or your personal life. Don’t you get it the world does not revolve around you. Get over yourself, talk to your shrink it’s obvious you have low self esteem.

  301. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Dr. Big NOISE!!!

    Even though I almost accidentally exploded my head tonight, I did not just sit around and cry and boo-hoo about it. I immediately starting warning people about it, like here, and so far FIVE other places!!! That was very UN-selfish of me. Even while I am still feeling sort of weird like I have been to the fair and rode the twisty-turny thingy.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  302. G says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Squeeky,

    If you really are feeling weird, I recommend visiting a doctor. If you honestly think it is serious, get to a hospital tonight. If there is an aneurysm or something else happening, those are serious things and should not be taken lightly. I recommend you don’t drink any alcohol tonight either.

  303. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:19 am

    G:

    Thank you. I am not. i am still nauseated, and feel kind of like you do when you get off a ride at the fair. Not dizzy exactly, but kind of weird. I am talking to somebody at gratewire who is a amp expert. This has had to happen to other people because of just the odds, and I feel a lot better than I did when it was happening. Plus, I found where low frequency can cause this. Whew. I used to just worry about tornados and earthquakes just coming out of nowhere, so I guess now I can add guitars and amps to that! (LOL!!!)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  304. G says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Squeeky –

    Honestly, either lie down or go to a hospital and get checked out. Either way, it is best for your own sake if you get off the computer and take care of yourself first.

  305. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:27 am

    G:

    OK. I think you are right.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  306. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:29 am

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Big NOISE!!!Even though I almost accidentally exploded my head tonight, I did not just sit around and cry and boo-hoo about it. I immediately starting warning people about it, like here, and so far FIVE other places!!! That was very UN-selfish of me. Even while I am still feeling sort of weird like I have been to the fair and rode the twisty-turny thingy.So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Sureee you almost did you heard reverb from your amp wow big deal. Yeah you actually did cry boohoo about it. Once again you’re talking about yourself. You can’t go one post without doing that can you?

  307. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:42 am

    SqueekyFromm: Even though I almost accidentally exploded my head tonight, I did not just sit around and cry and boo-hoo about it.

    So why are you whining here about something so undetermined that it is nothing more than white noise?
    As I said, get a boyfriend, or get rechargeable batteries, either way…

  308. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:43 am

    nbc:
    So why are you whining here about something so undetermined that it is nothing more than white noise?
    As I said, get a boyfriend, or get rechargeable batteries, either way…

    or a lobotomy.

  309. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:56 am

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    or a lobotomy.

    Isn’t that like drilling for oil in basalt?

  310. Whatever4 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Just checking in to read the signal to noise ratio… as suspected, it’s still in the “annoyingly incomprehensible thread jack” range. That’s extremely dangerous to sentient beings when exposed for long periods of time. Is Doc C still on vacation? Because this thing may explode if the levels stay in this range for more than a few days.

  311. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Whatever4: Because this thing may explode if the levels stay in this range for more than a few days.

    Hahahaha. Open threads are notoriously unstable… Better to keep squeeks contained than to let her roam the internet.

  312. BatGuano says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:31 am

    SqueekyFromm: 2) Plus, we will get some person nobody ever heard of….

    this was a bizarre statement that stuck with me squeeks. think about you are saying: credibility is dependent on being recognized, not on being educated, informed and/or authorized.

    under that theory i should approach stephen baldwin over stephen hawking when discussing physics.

  313. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:33 am

    BatGuano: under that theory i should approach stephen baldwin over stephen hawking when discussing physics.

    Please show some compassion. Squeeks is still hearing noises after her hair raising experience with her guitar amp. Do not confuse her with logic or reason.

  314. kimba says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Whatever4: Just checking in to read the signal to noise ratio… as suspected, it’s still in the “annoyingly incomprehensible thread jack” range. That’s extremely dangerous to sentient beings when exposed for long periods of time. Is Doc C still on vacation? Because this thing may explode if the levels stay in this range for more than a few days.

    It’s some sort of elaborate performance art, I think.

  315. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Whatever4: That’s extremely dangerous to sentient beings when exposed for long periods of time. Is Doc C still on vacation?

    I’ve been sick.

  316. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): or a lobotomy.

    I’d rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

  317. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    SqueekyFromm: So to me, the issue isn’t resolved. How can you say it is resolved it like 1/3 of people still have doubts. If you ask me if I think it SHOULD be resolved by now, I would say yes. But it isn’t. That is just reality.

    20% of Americans, in a New York Times poll say that President Obama was born outside the United States and 58% say it was in the United States.

    It is wrong to take the remaining 23% in the “don’t know” category and attribute “doubts” to them. In a 2007 poll 31% of Americans didn’t know who the Vice President was. Is this because they had “doubts” about Dick Cheney? No, a lot of Americans are just ignorant about political things.

  318. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    20% of Americans, in a New York Times poll say that President Obama was born outside the United States and 58% say it was in the United States.It is wrong to take the remaining 23% in the “don’t know” category and attribute “doubts” to them. In a 2007 poll 31% of Americans didn’t know who the Vice President was. Is this because they had “doubts” about Dick Cheney? No, a lot of Americans are just ignorant about political things.

    No using Squeeky’s logic it means 23% of the people didn’t know we even had a vice president.

  319. Daniel says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Kimba:

    Have you read any of my Internet Articles???

    It’s hardly surprising that Kimba hasn’t read those ramblings you refer to as “articles”, since you never mentioned them prior to the 25th of December, 2010.

  320. G says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’ve been sick.

    Very sorry to hear that. My sympathies, condolences and well-wishes for you to feel better soon.

    Not a fun way to start of retirement…or the holidays for that matter.

  321. G says:
    December 29, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy: It is wrong to take the remaining 23% in the “don’t know” category and attribute “doubts” to them. In a 2007 poll 31% of Americans didn’t know who the Vice President was. Is this because they had “doubts” about Dick Cheney? No, a lot of Americans are just ignorant about political things.

    Agreed. The guest pundits on that segment were trying to point that out to Matthews as well.

  322. Sef says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’ve been sick.

    Very sorry to hear that. I hope everyone has had their flu shots this season. You get 2 for 1 poke this year.

  323. Slartibartfast says:
    December 29, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Misha,

    Since you’re always saying Corey Booker will be president after Obama, I thought you’d find this interesting:

    http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/dec-29-palin-loses-alaskas-approval-and-newark-mayor-deemed-snowstorm-hero-9279.gallery

    If Mayor Booker is ever elected president, I wonder what specious crap his version of the birthers will come up with to try to delegitimize him…

  324. G says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Sef:
    Very sorry to hear that.I hope everyone has had their flu shots this season.You get 2 for 1 poke this year.

    Yep, got mine back in early Oct. I guess there has been quite a severe flu outbreak in Great Britian this past month and fears that it will spread to other countries soon.

  325. Whatever4 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Slartibartfast: Misha,Since you’re always saying Corey Booker will be president after Obama, I thought you’d find this interesting…

    Rats, you beat me to it. I was going to mention that to Misha! Hey, Misha — your guy seems to be winning the Blizzard v. politician fight! Is Governor next?

  326. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Well, if anybody even cares, I am still alive! I went to bed like G said, but I couldn’t sleep forever it seemed like worrying what would happen to the cats and Squawky if I didn’t make it, because there is nobody to take care of them except me. Mostly Squawky, because you probably can’t relocate poor little orphan blue jays. Anyway, I see that here has a story about Chris Matthews! Good. I have one too, but did you notice how Chris Matthews, who agrees with me, is wondering WHY, and that je asked too what would it hurt???

    I would make a comment on that thread, but I just try to stay on one thread because you Obots need to have your little happy place where you can talk about Obot stuff and I don’t want to just drive you all to be nervous wrecks or something.

    Plus, did you notice how Abercrombie didn’t really see a little newborn Obama which is strange for such good friends as he was with the Obamas. Hmmmm.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  327. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Well, if anybody even cares, I am still alive! I went to bed like G said, but I couldn’t sleep forever it seemed like worrying what would happen to the cats and Squawky if I didn’t make it, because there is nobody to take care of them except me. Mostly Squawky, because you probably can’t relocate poor little orphan blue jays. Anyway, I see that here has a story about Chris Matthews! Good. I have one too, but did you notice how Chris Matthews, who agrees with me, is wondering WHY, and that je asked too what would it hurt???I would make a comment on that thread, but I just try to stay on one thread because you Obots need to have your little happy place where you can talk about Obot stuff and I don’t want to just drive you all to be nervous wrecks or something.Plus, did you notice how Abercrombie didn’t really see a little newborn Obama which is strange for such good friends as he was with the Obamas. Hmmmm.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Nope nobody cared Squeeks. Once again you prove that you can’t go a post without talking about yourself. No Matthews doesn’t agree with you he thinks you birthers are nuts

  328. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Dr. Bob Noisewater:

    Well, if something happened to me, who would tell you common sense stuff, like what Chris Matthews is telling you??? Because I was saying it long before him. I just wish that Dr. C had named his Chris Matthews thread differently and started it like this:

    Chris Matthews Echoes Call of Obama Conspiracy Commenter Squeeky Fromm for Obama’s Birth Certificate!

    Well known political person Chris Matthews today echoed the call of longtime Obama Conspiracy Commenter, Squeeky Fromm, in calling for Obama to cough up his long form!!! Although NOT a Birther, Chris Matthews was swayed by the OVERWHELMING LOGIC of Squeeky Fromm that Obama had no good reason not to resolve the ongoing questions relating to his place of birth. Plus, just like Squeeky Fromm, Chris Matthews questioned WHY Obama hadn’t done anything???

    That would have been a good way to say it. Plus,if you Obots had any INTEGRITY at all, you would be saying on that thread stuff like, “Well maybe Squeeky was right after all, because Chris Matthews is pretty smart” and “We need to apologize for trying to hurt her feeling all the time because GUESS WHAT, she was right after all!” and “I just feel like doo-doo for being soooo mean to her all the time, and I am soooo glad she had the strength to stick to her guns about this!!!”

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  329. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus,if you Obots had any INTEGRITY at all,

    That’s rich, coming from someone who appears to not understand how ironic her own comments really are.

    Surely Squeeks is quick to accuse but has no logic, reason or facts to support her foolish position.

    Intellectually vacuous is a valid term.

    And all because her favorite ‘girl’ was unable to compete with President Obama for the Office of the President.
    Sorry Squeeks, nobody cares.

  330. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Look Squeeks, if you want to pretend that there is any similarity between your position and Chris M’s then fine. But intellectual honesty would surely suffer here.

    Good luck on your recovery from your devastating losses.

    Signing off

    Hugs and Kisses

  331. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    NBC: Oh, was that a car??? Yes, it was a DODGE!!! Sooo, you didn’t address what I said. You just called me names, which is a logical fallacy! You didn’t think I would notice how you just skipped right past the whole Chris Matthews thingy??? Why is that??? Because you don’t want to say that Chris Matthews agrees with me about how to end this!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  332. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    You do realize that you used the term ‘integrity’ (lack thereof) to describe those who did not accept your foolish position?

    Surely our Squeeks can appreciate that I have not called you names other than to describe your hopes to become a ‘Girl reporter’ but that is not calling names but a simple observation based on your lack to do research, your ability to misdirect, and your inability to apply logic and reason.
    And finally, your immaturity is further exemplified by your foolish self centric postings and your non sequiturs.

    Sorry Squeeks, you are no match for logic and reason.

  333. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    As to Matthews, he claims he is an enemy of the birthers so I guess we can now count you among those ranks? Or did Matthews ask a question of his guests who pointed out how birthers would just ignore the new data.

    Your ‘reporting’ is misleading and your claims are unsupportable other than by ignoring the many differences between Matthews and his position and your foolish position that insists on ignoring that the President has done all he can do to have his COLB released.

    “I am not a birther, I am an enemy of the birthers,” Matthews assured Page and Corn, before comparing a so-called “long form” birth certificate to the more abridged copy that Obama has released. “Why has the president himself not demanded that they put out the initial documents?” he asked.

    Page said there was no point in Obama engaging birthers, because they were not interested in evidence showing that he is a natural-born citizen. Matthews responded that, no matter what, it will be interesting to see if Abercrombie’s quest for the full document is successful.

    “Don’t we want to know if he can find it?” he said. “I don’t know why the Governor doesn’t say, ‘snap it up, whoever is there in the Department of Records, send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the president just say, ‘send me a copy right now’?”

  334. nbc says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    <blockquote.“Don’t we want to know if he can find it?” he said. “I don’t know why the Governor doesn’t say, snap it up, whoever is there in the Department of Records, send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the president just say, send me a copy right now’?”

    Seems Matthews does not understand the rules regulating the release of such documents.

    Obama cannot get a certified long form and the Governor cannot release such data. There is a way around this but that would require new legislation or rules to be adopted which would allow access to copies of long forms. But that would undo a decade of work to go ‘digital’. All because of some foolishness?

    I doubt that Squeeks will go into the facts of the arguments and will instead resort to more girlish innocence, pretending to be this poor vulnerable creature that deserves better.

    Fascinating…

  335. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    NBC:

    OH, I can see who NEVER had Compare and Contrast in school! It is like people who are having a war with each other. They may disagree, but when they are tired of fighting, then they start to agree about things to make the war be over.

    Sooo, while I have not yet convinced Chris Matthews about a lot of things, he does agree with me on several things:

    1. Obama should cough up his Long Form, or something.
    2. If Obama won’t do it, then somebody (like Abercrombie) should.
    3. It won’t hurt nothing for the information to get out.
    4. There are a lot of people who additional information might convince. Not everybody, but at least some.

    There, that is how you do it! See, if you quit trying to act like you just KNOW EVERYTHING, then you can have a civil discussion. I just find it sooo typical that nobody wants to admit that Chris Matthews is saying the same thing I am about how to end this mess. And the same thing as Abercrombie. Maybe they have been reading my website???

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  336. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Noisewater:Well, if something happened to me, who would tell you common sense stuff, like what Chris Matthews is telling you??? Because I was saying it long before him. I just wish that Dr. C had named his Chris Matthews thread differently and started it like this:Chris Matthews Echoes Call of Obama Conspiracy Commenter Squeeky Fromm for Obama’s Birth Certificate!Well known political person Chris Matthews today echoed the call of longtime Obama Conspiracy Commenter, Squeeky Fromm, in calling for Obama to cough up his long form!!! Although NOT a Birther, Chris Matthews was swayed by the OVERWHELMING LOGIC of Squeeky Fromm that Obamahad no good reason not to resolve the ongoing questions relating to his place of birth. Plus, just like Squeeky Fromm, Chris Matthews questioned WHY Obama hadn’t done anything???That would have been a good way to say it. Plus,if you Obots had any INTEGRITY at all, you would be saying on that thread stuff like, “Well maybe Squeeky was right after all, because Chris Matthews is pretty smart” and “We need to apologize for trying to hurt her feeling all the time because GUESS WHAT, she was right after all!” and “I just feel like doo-doo for being soooo mean to her all the time, and I am soooo glad she had the strength to stick to her guns about this!!!”Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Considering none of the stuff you have spouted thus far is Common let alone sense I would say I would go about my life safe knowing I didn’t have to listen to someone who an insult to actual mentally challenged people. If you had any integrity at all you would stop trying to pimp out your own website while claiming you weren’t. If you had integrity you wouldn’t be going by a moniker of a charles manson family member. If you had integrity you would admit that your brain is obviously dysfunctional and doesn’t work the same as it would in a normal rational person

  337. Daniel says:
    December 29, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    SqueekyFromm: See, if you quit trying to act like you just KNOW EVERYTHING, then you can have a civil discussion.

    This from Squeeky, who knows things like economics better than anyone in the Republican party.

    Bwahahahaha!!!

  338. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Daniel, I bet you are just soooo mad that Chris Matthews is saying what I have been saying that you just can’t stand it!!! Plus Abercrombie, so now that is TWO famous people who are NOT Birthers who can just see the plain simple logic of it! Sooo, you have to forgive me if I say: I – T – Y – S!

    PLUS, you Obots who are supposedly soooo good at just picking stuff apart, I am just wondering my head off why none of you has picked apart what Clarence Page said, about Obama just not having time to cough it up. Because he sure has time to play golf a lot! Plus, how long does it take to get one. Probably a whole 10 minutes.

    Sooo, there is a word that describes me tonight. It is VINDICATED!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  339. James M says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel, I bet you are just soooo mad that Chris Matthews is saying what I have been saying that you just can’t stand it!!! Plus Abercrombie, so now that is TWO famous people who are NOT Birthers who can just see the plain simple logic of it! Sooo, you have to forgive me if I say: I – T – Y – S!PLUS, you Obots who are supposedly soooo good at just picking stuff apart, I am just wondering my head off why none of you has picked apart what Clarence Page said, about Obama just not having time to cough it up. Because he sure has time to play golf a lot! Plus, how long does it take to get one. Probably a whole 10 minutes.Sooo, there is a word that describes me tonight. It is VINDICATED!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl ReporterSqueeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    In what bizarre alternate universe is either Chris Matthews or Gov. Abercrombie saying anything remotely similar to whatever you are trying to say?

  340. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel, I bet you are just soooo mad that Chris Matthews is saying what I have been saying that you just can’t stand it!!! Plus Abercrombie, so now that is TWO famous people who are NOT Birthers who can just see the plain simple logic of it! Sooo, you have to forgive me if I say: I – T – Y – S!PLUS, you Obots who are supposedly soooo good at just picking stuff apart, I am just wondering my head off why none of you has picked apart what Clarence Page said, about Obama just not having time to cough it up. Because he sure has time to play golf a lot! Plus, how long does it take to get one. Probably a whole 10 minutes.Sooo, there is a word that describes me tonight. It is VINDICATED!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl ReporterSqueeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Wow you are just one raging ball of hate towards a black man who beat a woman whom you had nothing in common with. You’re taking the republican line of attack with the whole “golfing” thing. Chris Matthews is saying nothing close to what you’re saying neither is Abercrombie. Neither man has claimed a possibility that either Obama is ineligible or not born in this country. Those are two things you’ve claimed and neither man has claimed that

  341. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 29, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Dr. Bob:

    Both Chris Matthews and Abercrombie realize some of the same simple things that I do. First, there is a unresolved controversy, which most of you Obots here deny. Second, they realize the best step to take to resolve the unresolved controversy is to cough up the long form, or some other documents. Which most Obots here also deny. These are the things Chris Matthews and Abercrombie and me all agree about. Simple common sense stuff.

    They think Obama will be able to prove he is a American. I figure the answer is what it is, and the most important question is WHY the question hasn’t already been resolved. For me, the WHY question will survive the WHERE question.

    Don’t make this harder than it is. Just accept that I am right about it, and Chris Matthews and Abercrombie agree. The universe isn’t going to stop just because you admit that I am right. Because this really isn’t about me, it’s about the TRUTH!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  342. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 12:05 am

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob:Both Chris Matthews and Abercrombie realize some of the same simple things that I do. First, there is a unresolved controversy, which most of you Obots here deny. Second, they realize the best step to take to resolve the unresolved controversy is to cough up the long form, or some other documents. Which most Obots here also deny. These are the things Chris Matthews and Abercrombie and me all agree about. Simple common sense stuff.
    They think Obama will be able to prove he is a American. I figure the answer is what it is, and the most important question is WHY the question hasn’t already been resolved. For me, the WHY question will survive the WHERE question.Don’t make this harder than it is. Just accept that I am right about it, and Chris Matthews and Abercrombie agree. The universe isn’t going to stop just because you admit that I am right. Because this really isn’t about me, it’s about the TRUTH!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    No they don’t realize the same things you do. They want to shut people like you up who continue denying reality just because you want some kind of revenge because a black man had the audacity to beat a woman. A woman you only voted for because of her gender not because you share her values. Obama has already proved he’s American. They both mistakenly believe people like you will stop believing in conspiracy theories but the fact is most of you birthers have already started new theories to try to discredit any additional information that comes out. You’re not right about this, as usual you totally misread the situation

  343. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    No they don’t realize the same things you do.They want to shut people like you up who continue denying reality just because you want some kind of revenge because a black man had the audacity to beat a woman.A woman you only voted for because of her gender not because you share her values.Obama has already proved he’s American.They both mistakenly believe people like you will stop believing in conspiracy theories but the fact is most of you birthers have already started new theories to try to discredit any additional information that comes out.You’re not right about this, as usual you totally misread the situation

    It’s amazing what passes for comfort or a glimmer of hope for these loons.

  344. G says:
    December 30, 2010 at 12:23 am

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob:Both Chris Matthews and Abercrombie realize some of the same simple things that I do. First, there is a unresolved controversy, which most of you Obots here deny. Second, they realize the best step to take to resolve the unresolved controversy is to cough up the long form, or some other documents. Which most Obots here also deny. These are the things Chris Matthews and Abercrombie and me all agree about. Simple common sense stuff.
    They think Obama will be able to prove he is a American. I figure the answer is what it is, and the most important question is WHY the question hasn’t already been resolved. For me, the WHY question will survive the WHERE question.Don’t make this harder than it is. Just accept that I am right about it, and Chris Matthews and Abercrombie agree. The universe isn’t going to stop just because you admit that I am right. Because this really isn’t about me, it’s about the TRUTH!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky, you tend to make assumptions about others positions without actually understanding what those other positions may be or may be based on.

    Curiosity is a natural human trait. Many of us here would be just as curious to see the “long form”, if it was ever released.

    The key is that we actually understand the difference between a personal desire and interest and what the law is. Simple fact – it doesn’t matter what we or anyone else want to see, because PRIVACY LAWS protect that info.

    We simply understand that reality and accept it. If the state of HI provided that info and Obama approved its release, we would have no problem with that. If Abercrombie goes that route and gets Obama’s approval and finds a way to “release” that info to the “public”, then so be it and it will be a newsworthy story at that time.

    Until then, who knows what he can do on this front or what he will do. Right now, the story is mere hype of speculation…but until anything actually happens, its pretty much just hype and otherwise a non-story.

    However, it won’t make any difference to the NBC issue, as the only relevant info a birth certificate can provide on that is DATE of birth and PLACE of birth. We already have those answers from the COLB, so there is nothing new to learn there.

    Anything additional details that would be on the “long form” would be at best, obscure Trivial Pursuit or Jeopardy! material.

    Furthermore, I highly doubt that its release will shut any birthers up. They will just move the goalposts as always, as their dislike of Obama is primal and visceral and really has nothing to do with the NBC issue. That is merely an excuse used by birthers to justify their own hatred of the man, by merely pretending he is somehow “other” than them and pretending that somehow he’s not “really” the president.

    Honestly, I doubt it will even stop a lot of the birther “concern trolling” asking for the “long form”, even if said document was released. Birthers have continued to flog every other fully discredited dead-horse issue over and over again and just try to recycle it every few months…so no amount of evidence is going to convince or deter such people.

    Finally, if there was such a “public” release of said “long form”, you do realize that to expose it to the mass public, all that means is that it might get shown on TV and attested to by officials or posted on the internet, right?

    I guarantee you that you won’t be getting any “bumpy” certificate, as you like to call them, in your mail or hand delivered to you in person. So, I gather that no matter what, you’ll automatically be disappointed by holding onto such unrealistic desires.

  345. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Hi G!!! Thank you for your advice last night. I didn’t drink anything, or tonight either. Just some Irish Creme Liquer in my coffee today, but I used a little thingy some flavoring came in to measure it so it was only like a tablespoon in each cup maybe.

    Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you say. But most of the other Obots here are NOT as nice as you, and didn’t even care if my head blew up or something last night. OH BTW(Which means By The Way) I bought a set of headphones today with a big endy thing on it to fit the amp so I can practice without the big speakers making low frequency noise which my head might not be ready for yet. I figure I should give it a few days before I subject my brain to the low vibrations. They work fine and I have Summertime, a blues song, down pretty good, except for the B7 and the last finger of the G.

    Anyway, yes I know that I will not personally get a bumpy birth certificate and me and the Obots here have had that fight for months now. Where they just keep ignoring what I tell them and making up stuff like I said it, then ATTACKING the “straw man” they made. But I have been beating them pretty easily on it. But they have just been merciless about my idea that (imagine this!) that a problem should be treated like a problem and resolved.

    Which is really all that Chris Matthews and Abercrombie are saying. I bet that Obama is behind some if this, because here is my suspicions. (NOT facts, just suspicions). Assuming that Obama is a American, then WHY he hasn’t coughed up anything or resolved the problem is “S” in my KISS analysis. SLIMY, or using people for political gain. Which I can just see the dead fish guy who is in Chicago now doing, telling Obama to just drive people crazy and pick up the “anti-crazy” vote.

    But, I bet it got out of hand, and before they knew it, there was like 58% of Americans who had some degree of doubt where Obama was born. Which the Obots here will say was another number, but my way of seeing it is just as good as theirs. Then, Obama just gets shellacked in the mid terms, so the whole plan was like just a big disaster for Obama and his new people said, ‘Why in the world didn’t you just resolve this early on???” and Obama said “I was too busy playing golf!!!” (LOL!!!)

    Anyway, so now Obama realizes he has really screwed up, and even comedians are making jokes about his citizenship, soooo he has to do something, but being Obama, he sure can’t just come out and say he was wrong. OH NO!!! Not him.

    Sooo, he gets Chris Matthews and Abercrombie to stir this stuff up, and Obama will just give them the paperwork like it is no big deal or something. And that it was all their idea and he, Obama, could just not care one way or the other, tra la la la.That is what I think will happen and what is going on. Because this really has been a public relations NIGHTMARE for Obama and I think he sat around like a bump on a Kenyan pickle too long, and let the Vattle and British Citizen stuff (which I don’t believe) get started and really going big time.

    Anyway, the OBOTS here have been just brutal to me, and done everything imaginable not to have to admit that I have been pretty common sense right about this from day one. Which is why I am ITYS’ing them, because they deserve it, and I am not usually spiteful or anything, but they have really deserved to be embarrassed about being this TOTALLY WRONG!!!

    Sooo, I am going to rub it in some on them, and remind them about Chris Matthews and Abercrombie, two NON BIRTHERS, saying just what I have. Cough it up, and try to resolve the problem. Which it will for some people.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  346. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:20 am

    SqueekyFromm: Assuming that Obama is a American, then WHY he hasn’t coughed up anything or resolved the problem is “S” in my KISS analysis.

    Obama is an American. He was born in the United States. There is fully credible evidence attesting to this fact.

    You have a personal controversy, but that doesn’t have any actual effect on the other facts of the matter.

    You want to frame the discussion in terms of Obama “not coughing up anything” as if he has anything to offer you, and as if anything has actually been demanded of him.

    You do realize that he hasn’t actually been asked by anyone with any right to do so to provide anything that you, in your accusatory frame of reference, demand that he “cough up.”

  347. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:28 am

    JamesM:

    Another Obot here said this:

    “I don’t understand why a poll like this should matter. If 99 percent of Americans thought Obama was not born in the U.S., it wouldn’t change the fact that he was. No matter how many people might think otherwise 2+2 still equals 4.This subject is no different.
    The results of the polls say more about the 23 percent who answered the question that way than they say about Obama.”

    Do you agree???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  348. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:54 am

    SqueekyFromm: JamesM:Another Obot here said this:“I don’t understand why a poll like this should matter. If 99 percent of Americans thought Obama was not born in the U.S., it wouldn’t change the fact that he was. No matter how many people might think otherwise 2+2 still equals 4.This subject is no different.
    The results of the polls say more about the 23 percent who answered the question that way than they say about Obama.”Do you agree???Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Do I agree with what? Being labeled “Obot?” Please check your assumptions.

    Do I agree that beliefs do not alter reality? Sure, I can get behind that.

  349. Keith says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:27 am

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, I am going to rub it in some on them, and remind them about Chris Matthews and Abercrombie, two NON BIRTHERS, saying just what I have.

    Neither is saying what you have.

    C.M. asked a leading question so that his guests could destroy the proposition. It was a rhetorical question to open the discussion.

    Gov. A. is trying to find a way to defend personal friends, who can no longer defend themselves, against slander and innuendo from slimy propagandists. He cannot do that by violating Hawai’i State law in the process, and he knows that. The ‘birthers’ would love for that to happen though, it would put the capper on their whole smear campaign – first a take down of a military doctor, and then a Governor. It predict that won’t happen.

    I suppose the Governor may have a white paper or something prepared, but it won’t say anything new, and it won’t satisfy the ‘birthers’.

  350. Keith says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Oh snap! I forgot I wasn’t going to feed that particular trool.

  351. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Keith:

    That is OK. I am not very hungry. I just got up to make sure the amplifier was turned off so I would not accidentally get blown up during the night. Then there was a vampire movie on. Sooo. But yes, they are saying what I am, Just read above and it is OK if you admit that I am right. CM and A are saying just exactly what I am, that the documents should be made public to resolve this, which I know is just soooo irritating to you and your little friends that I am right and I – T – Y – S-!!! Plus, I bet this is all a plot by Obama where he could try to fix his big mistake in not doing it sooner. OH, I guess SHELLAC just makes you think smarter!!!

    JamesM:

    If you think that polls don’t matter in a democracy, then that is just your choice. These are just opinions. BUT, it means that you are not very politically smart, which I already knew when I wrote the Obot Meltdown Internet Article, which I am not trying to drive you to, but here it is if you want it:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/meltdown-obots-discover-birthers-can.html

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  352. The Magic M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:06 am

    > If you think that polls don’t matter in a democracy, then that is just your choice.

    They have no legal meaning and often not even a meaning for projected voter behaviour.

    If a poll shows that 80% of Americans believe that Obama is a fan of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, it is safe to say this has no measurable effect on how the people will vote in the next elections.

    So a poll asking “What do you believe about X?” is useless as a predictive tool unless you also ask (or already know) “How important is that belief about X in your decision process about Y?”.

    Birthers assume that “X% of the people do not believe (or know if) Obama was born in Hawaii” automatically translates into “therefore they will not vote for him” or “therefore he has to prove something”.
    That is a logical and political fallacy.

    Just as “31% of the American people believe the Sun revolves around the Earth” does not mean that scientists have anything to prove to them or that they will all vote for the “Earth Centricity Party of America” in the next elections.

    So using poll results to “prove” something is usually utterly futile.

  353. kimba says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:31 am

    SqueekyFromm: If you think that polls don’t matter in a democracy

    The “majority rules” mentality – A poll says most people want something or believe something, so it should be so. The United States is a representative republic, not a democracy. If we had a democracy, then any legislation the majority Democrats wanted should have passed because “majority rules”. The rules of the Senate are meant to protect the minority from being trampled by the majority, and were wielded very effectively by the minority party in the last session. Majority doesn’t rule here – basic civics.

  354. Scientist says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Obama is not a candidate for sainthood, but a politician. He cares about 1 thing and 1 thing only, actual votes on election day. Let’s analyze this poll to see whether the b.c. foolishness will cost him any votes.

    Who are these people who think Obama was born outside the US or aren’t sure:

    1. Many are Obama-haters, whether because of race, ideology, his “funny-sounding” name, that he is a White Sox fan or some combination of the above. They wouldn’t vote for him if he had video and 30,000 eyewitnesses showing him born in Times Square on New Year’s Eve and DNA evidence proving his parents were George and Martha Washington.

    Votes lost in this group– 0

    2. Those who don’t follow politics and can’t be bothered to vote. Remember this is about 50% of the population. Even 20 or 30% of registered voters don’t show up.

    Votes lost in this group– 0

    3. Those who believe that even if he were born abroad he is still eligible, because his mother was a US citizen. While lawyers can debate this until the cows come home, this position is not without merit, particularly since the Obama marriage may well have been invalid. My best guess is that courts would find someone in these circumstances to, in fact, be eligible (Justice Ginsburg appears to support this position). Either way, the votes of this group would not change based on where the child of a US citizen were born.

    Votes lost in this group– 0

    4. Those who believe that the entire natural born citizen thing is a pointless anti-democratic anachronism and see no reason to deny an excellent candidate high office based on biirth circumstances. An overseas birth would make these folks no less likely to vote for someone and might even make them MORE likely to support them. These folks might even like to see Obama/Biden followed by Schwarzenegger/Granholm (in either order) in 2016.

    Votes lost in this group– 0 (maybe a few votes actually gained)

    Totalling up 1-4 we arrive at the grand sum of how many votes this costs Obama:

    0
    Zip
    Nada
    Goose eggs

  355. Greg says:
    December 30, 2010 at 10:09 am

    SqueekyFromm: Because this really has been a public relations NIGHTMARE for Obama

    You say nightmare, I say dream.

    If you can point to a single birther who ran on the platform last cycle, I can point to five that lost because Dems were able to paint them as crazies because of their support, even temporary and tangential, of the birthers.

    If Republicans had forcefully denounced the birthers, instead of coddling them, they might have gotten rid of Harry Reid, Mike Castle, and John McCain. There might have been a Tea Party governor and Republican Senator in Colorado.

    Have you never read B’rer Rabbit? The Birth Certificate is the briar patch. Please, please, don’t keep asking for the Briar Birth Certificate! If we have to release the Briar Birth Certificate, it will…confirm what we said all along and make you look like the crazies we’ve been successfully painting you as for the past 2 years!

    If you’re such a political strategy genius, Squeeky, tell us how the birther issue helped JD Hayworth. Here’s an ad that McCain ran against Hayworth. If birtherism is a winning political strategy, then Hayworth should have won, right? He was running in the Republican primary, remember, the most receptive audience for birtherism.

  356. Nbc says:
    December 30, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Keith: SqueekyFromm: Sooo, I am going to rub it in some on them, and remind them about Chris Matthews and Abercrombie, two NON BIRTHERS, saying just what I have.

    Neither is saying what you have.

    Exactly but Squeeks will have to ignore reason and logic to mislead.

    How sad…

  357. Nbc says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Greg: SqueekyFromm: Because this really has been a public relations NIGHTMARE for Obama

    You say nightmare, I say dream.

    Indeed, it allowed Obama to focus on his policies why his political opponents were getting sidetracked on a non-issue.

    It’s a classic example of the ‘Art of War’

  358. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    SqueekyFromm: when I wrote the Obot Meltdown Internet Article, which I am not trying to drive you to, but here it is if you want it:http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/meltdown-obots-discover-birthers-can.htmlSqueeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You are a dishonest hack. One second you say you’re not trying to drive people to your stupid website while in the next you post a link to it. You can’t go a whole day without mentioning yourself, your stupid website or your irrational articles.

  359. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    MagicM and Scientist: Well, you are entitled to your OPINIONS, but I bet neither one of you is working for a politician who has to run for office. I wish both of you were working for Obama, and probably there were some people just like you who did, and were telling Obama just how intelligent they were, and then KERBLAM!, here comes the shellacking, and Obama says WTF??? And they get fired and Obama hires some smart people, like me, who tell him “Mr. President, there is NO upside to having 58% of people not being positive you are a American!”

    But, just you accuse us QUESTIONERS(Birthers) of not seeing reality, you OBOTS are sure not even better, and maybe worse, because even AFTER a shellacking, you just keep on the same little mental rut—tromp tromp tromp kersplat.

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  360. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Dr Bob Sillywater:

    Well, I am not under any DELUSION that many Obots are going to read my stuff. It would just be too disturbing to their preconceived notions even though I have written some very good and intelligent Internet Articles!!! Plus, how can you complain when Dr. C himself has put links to all the famous Birther places on this website???

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  361. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Bob Sillywater:Well, I am not under any DELUSION that many Obots are going to read my stuff. It would just be too disturbing to their preconceived notions even though I have written some very good and intelligent Internet Articles!!! Plus, how can you complain when Dr. C himself has put links to all the famous Birther places on this website???So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Why do you deliberately dismiss the one piece of evidence that is relevant to your issue and that should settle your whole controversy?

    The facts today show that President Obama was born Barack Hussein Obama, August 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii.

  362. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    JamesM:

    What is this REALITY problem you Obots have??? Lookit this: In 2001 the Muslims thought they were at war with America, and that America was doing bad things to them. Not many of us Americans thought that. Most of us didn’t even think about Muslims except when gasoline prices went up. Then here comes 9/11. Now look at the pictures of the fallen down buildings and tell me, “Was there a problem???”

    You see, here is the REALITY. YOU may not have a problem with Obama’s COLB picture thingy. OK. I can live with that. BUT, a lot of people do. At least 20%, and another 23% who are unsure. The numbers are never the same from month to month, you stay pretty close to half of people who are not sure Obama was born in America.

    Are YOU soooo narcissistic that you think everybody has to think like you, and if YOU don’t have questions, then nobody else does either unless they are just stupid, because you are sooo smart??? Well, you are not sooo smart to me because you can’t even see a pretty big problem exists. You just sit around and spin little webs of self-delusion about how it isn’t a problem blah blah blah. Plus you can’t see a pretty simple answer to the whole thing. You don’t even have a good grasp on why there is a problem because you can’t quit being narcissistic long enough to step outside of the issue and take a look at it.

    Meanwhile, SMART political people like Chris Matthews and ME, can see that this is really totally stupid to have a issue about when a simple document can clear it up for a lot of people. Oh yes, there will be some Birthers who are the equivalence of most of you Obots, and nothing will ever change their minds. But that is not everybody. On either side.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  363. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    SqueekyFromm: At least 20%, and another 23% who are unsure. The numbers are never the same from month to month, you stay pretty close to half of people who are not sure Obama was born in America.

    Besides a picture of his birth certificate, together with a public assurance from the agency that issued it, what could possibly ever alter the beliefs of these people?

  364. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    JamesM:

    Uh, maybe the long form, or a bumpy one into public.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  365. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    SqueekyFromm: JamesM:Uh, maybe the long form, or a bumpy one into public.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Into the public? Do you really think them holding it would change their minds? You’ve already stated it wouldn’t change your mind as you don’t trust the agency that issues it because politicians lie and because they picked someone “no one ever heard of to verify it”. Most birthers have gone beyond that. Be honest with yourself Squeeky this isn’t about Obama proving he’s American he’s done that. This is about you being mad that he beat a woman fair and square on equal ground when all the pundits were saying Hillary and Rudy would square off

  366. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr Bob Sillywater:Well, I am not under any DELUSION that many Obots are going to read my stuff. It would just be too disturbing to their preconceived notions even though I have written some very good and intelligent Internet Articles!!! Plus, how can you complain when Dr. C himself has put links to all the famous Birther places on this website???So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Too disturbing for anyone in the realms of sanity. It would be like the mother of 4 reading the testimony of a sick pedophile serial killer talking about how he raped and strangled little kids. Anyone with any bit of sanity would get nauseous reading that. If you don’t think people who live in reality would read your stuff why do you continue begging people on this site to read it? Over and over again you keep begging people to go to your site. If anyone wanted to read your stuff they would just click your name as it links to your site. There’s a difference between Doc putting up other birther links so people can read them and say if doc was to go to all the birther sites and continuously talk about his website, his articles, and spam links to them. This just shows you have really low self esteem and you must make yourself the center of attention because you’re lonely.

  367. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    SqueekyFromm: JamesM:Uh, maybe the long form, or a bumpy one into public.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    The one that the campaign released is bumpy and has all the information necessary to prove that President Obama is who he claims to be, and was born when and where the state claims he was born.

    You want something else because you want it, not because it would add any meaningful information.

    You get your way as soon as you prove Hawaii’s certification to be a forgery. Until and unless you do exactly that, the current status quo stands.

  368. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    SqueekyFromm: JamesM:What is this REALITY problem you Obots have??? Lookit this: In 2001 the Muslims thought they were at war with America, and that America was doing bad things to them. Not many of us Americans thought that. Most of us didn’t even think about Muslims except when gasoline prices went up. Then here comes 9/11. Now look at the pictures of the fallen down buildings and tell me, “Was there a problem???”You see, here is the REALITY. YOU may not have a problem with Obama’s COLB picture thingy. OK. I can live with that. BUT, a lot of people do. At least 20%, and another 23% who are unsure. The numbers are never the same from month to month, you stay pretty close to half of people who are not sure Obama was born in America.Are YOU soooo narcissistic that you think everybody has to think like you, and if YOU don’t have questions, then nobody else does either unless they are just stupid, because you are sooo smart??? Well, you are not sooo smart to me because you can’t even see a pretty big problem exists. You just sit around and spin little webs of self-delusion about how it isn’t a problem blah blah blah. Plus you can’t see a pretty simple answer to the whole thing. You don’t even have a good grasp on why there is a problem because you can’t quit being narcissistic long enough to step outside of the issue and take a look at it.Meanwhile, SMART political people like Chris Matthews and ME, can see that this is really totally stupid to have a issue about when a simple document can clear it up for a lot of people.Oh yes, there will be some Birthers who are the equivalence of most of you Obots, and nothing will ever change their minds. But that is not everybody. On either side.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    When you open your thoughts with such a false premise it makes the rest of what you’re going to say look like incoherent babbling. Muslims weren’t at war with us in 2001. Radicals were. Extremists like yourself were at war with America. This would be like saying Christians were at war with America during Oklahoma City because some radical extremist blew up a government building. Or say Christians are at war with America because some radicals blow up abortion clinics. This just shows that your brain does not function the same way that a rational person’s does. You can continue fudging the numbers all you like but no poll has ever shown even close to half of Americans saying they don’t know that Obama is American.

    You are nowhere in the same league as Matthews. He thinks you guys are stupid and crazy, and yeah he’s right. He asked the question rhetorically to start a conversation. Do you understand what rhetorical means? No one with any position of power believes as you do. What makes it even more disingenuous is that you have admitted that its more likely than not that you believe he was born in America and yet you keep up this charade because you hate that a Black Man beat a woman.

  369. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Dr. Bob Nosywater:

    Rhetorical??? Oh does mean like where Chris Matthews asks people to grab a copy and just put it out into PUBLIC??? Because too eh asked David Axlerod the same thing several months ago.

    Just face facts. A really politically smart person, who isn’t even a Birther, is saying the same thing I have been saying and YOU just can’t handle it!!! Oh, I bet you are one of those grunty little malebeasts who just can’t stand a Woman being right about something and you being wrong!!!

    Because, and here is the PROOF, you are NOT saying anything bad to Chris Matthews at all like what you say bad to me!!! Plus, you are just trying your little Obot best to pretend that me and him aren’t saying the same thing when you know good and well that we are!!! But OH it would just hurt every bit of your silly little male pride to admit it!!!

    Si There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  370. G says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Nosywater:Rhetorical??? Oh does mean like where Chris Matthews asks people to grab a copy and just put it out into PUBLIC??? Because too eh asked David Axlerod the same thing several months ago.Just face facts. A really politically smart person, who isn’t even a Birther, is saying the same thing I have been saying and YOU just can’t handle it!!! Oh, I bet you are one of those grunty little malebeasts who just can’t stand a Woman being right about something and you being wrong!!!Because, and here is the PROOF, you are NOT saying anything bad to Chris Matthews at all like what you say bad to me!!! Plus, you are just trying your little Obot best to pretend that me and him aren’t saying the same thing when you know good and well that we are!!! But OH it would just hurt every bit of your silly little male pride to admit it!!!Si There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky –

    Again, you completely ignore the whole point that has been told to you over and over and over again.

    It doesn’t matter who would “like” to see the “long form”. Hey, we all can be curious. That in and of itself is not a problem.

    However, once someone learns that:

    A) The state of HI stopped releasing a “long form” well over a decade ago and now only issues the COLB and:

    B) Such documents are protected by LAW by privacy acts and curiosity is NOT a valid reason to get someone else’s info.

    …At that point, a rational person, says “oh, okay” and moves on, understanding why such things are not accessible to the public.

    “Why can’t he just provide it” is no longer a rational question after that point. It has been answered. That is only a question that can come from naivety and ignorance of looking into A & B above.

    Furthermore, if the claim to want to see this is really the NBC issue – then the only 2 questions a birth certificate can answer on eligibility is whether the person was born in the US and if they are over 35.

    The COLB already answered those questions for us clearly…and any fields on the COLB are taken from any original source document.

    So, the “long form” does NOT add anything of value to that issue. Again, for a rational person, the question has been answered.

    The people at Fact Check have clear pictures of them handling the actual, physical document, with its “bumpy” official seal clear for anyone to see. So, there is no rational question remaining there either on the legitimacy of the COLB. The state of HI has repeatedly stood behind it in multiple statements from multiple officials of authority. Again, end of story.

    *IF* Abercrombie finds some legit & legal way to “release” this info (and that still is a big if), with Obama’s permission, then he does and it can be a topic of discussion at that point.

    But as stated, there is nothing that any “Obots” are worried about there. If he legally does it, more power to him.

    The whole POINT we keep trying to get through to you is that practically NO ONE believes that any birthers will change their minds about Obama if they are shown the “long form” or any other document for that matter.

    The whole issue argument is nothing but a red-herring by you folks who will just endlessly move the goal posts to some other ridiculous argument anyways and ignore whatever evidence is provided.

    Claiming that “if only he would release the long form” is nothing more than INSINCERE CONCERN TROLLING.

    So, in the end, such things are completely and utterly irrelevant.

  371. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Nosywater:Rhetorical??? Oh does mean like where Chris Matthews asks people to grab a copy and just put it out into PUBLIC??? Because too eh asked David Axlerod the same thing several months ago.Just face facts. A really politically smart person, who isn’t even a Birther, is saying the same thing I have been saying and YOU just can’t handle it!!! Oh, I bet you are one of those grunty little malebeasts who just can’t stand a Woman being right about something and you being wrong!!!Because, and here is the PROOF, you are NOT saying anything bad to Chris Matthews at all like what you say bad to me!!! Plus, you are just trying your little Obot best to pretend that me and him aren’t saying the same thing when you know good and well that we are!!! But OH it would just hurt every bit of your silly little male pride to admit it!!!Si There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You didn’t pay attention as usual. He opened up the discussion so others could give the answer to why. Once again face the facts Chris Matthew isn’t saying what you’re saying. He thinks you guys are crazy. You want Obama to release it because you pretend he’s not American but you know that’s not why you ask. It’s something you can just say because you don’t think it will ever be released because you know Hawaii no longer releases them. This is your excuse to say oh if only he would release it then I wouldn’t think he was the worst guy ever even though you know in your heart nothing he can do would satisfy you because you’re still upset he beat Hillary fair and square and nothing he ever does will change that feeling you have. This is why people call you a troll because you hide behind the birtherism as a way to get back at him for beating Hilary.. You and Matthews are not saying the same thing

  372. Daniel says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Squeeky:

    When your grade school teacher used to ask you, “how much is 2 plus 2?”, did you think it was because sh/he didn’t know the answer?

  373. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Dr. Bob Bilgewater:

    Oh, you STILL think it was RHETORICAL??? The news that I read said that Matthews was calling for the birth certificate. Is the Internet Article I read wrong???

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/12/chris-matthews-calls-for-birth-certificate/

    OH, score 1 for Squeeky!!!

    Plus, you are just demonizing people who disagree with you, because you are NOT a human lie detector or telepathic!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  374. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Dr. Bob Bilgewater:

    Oh, you STILL think it was RHETORICAL??? The news that I read said that Matthews was calling for the birth certificate. Is the Internet Article I read wrong??? Because I didn’t see the word “rhetorical” anywhere in it. Am I missing something??? Plus, Chris Matthews doesn’t say he is just being “rhetorical.”

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/12/chris-matthews-calls-for-birth-certificate/

    OH, score 1 for Squeeky!!!

    Plus, you are just demonizing people who disagree with you, because you are NOT a human lie detector or person from Mars who can read minds!!! What you need to do is quit trying to just confirm your bias, and just admit that somebody smart and well known and “of import” (I think is the words you used) is saying the same thing as little old me. Plus Abercrombie.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  375. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    G:

    I guess we will see if they still have the Long Form or not, because there seems to be some controversy. I bet they do, but we will see. Because here is something you Obots may not have thought of.

    What happens if Abercrombie can’t cough anything up??? For whatever reason???

    What do you think people will say then, if a Governor Of Hawaii has to say, “Well I just can’t turn it loose.” or “Obama won’t let me do it.”

    Which is why I think it will get coughed up because Abercrombie has already said he is going to do it, and even Obots couldn’t keep pretending there is no problem.

    Daniel:

    In your example, we are to the point where the teacher and me both agree that answering the question of what 2 +2 is will provide an answer. Because to date, some group put a PICTURE on the Internet of me supposedly working the problem, and somebody in Hawaii who nobody knows just swore that I knew the answer. Now, it can get resolved!!! (4)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  376. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Oedipus Fromme: Dr. Bob Bilgewater:Oh, you STILL think it was RHETORICAL??? The news that I read said that Matthews was calling for the birth certificate. Is the Internet Article I read wrong???http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/12/chris-matthews-calls-for-birth-certificate/OH, score 1 for Squeeky!!!Plus, you are just demonizing people who disagree with you, because you are NOT a human lie detector or telepathic!!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You didn’t pay attention to the video did you? See this is why you aren’t a real reporter. Matthews sets up a question for his interviewees to answer. Its not an opinion he holds himself. He’s not saying he doesn’t think Obama is American that Obama has to prove he’s American. He doesn’t say Obama might have been born in Kenya and that must be a reason the long form isn’t released. Once again Matthews is setting up the topic for his interviewees to answer. I know this is hard for you considering you are not a real journalist or a rational person. I don’t have to demonize you you’ve done that all by yourself. Your motive is entirely suspect

  377. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:I guess we will see if they still have the Long Form or not, because there seems to be some controversy. I bet they do, but we will see. Because here is something you Obots may not have thought of.What happens if Abercrombie can’t cough anything up??? For whatever reason???What do you think people will say then, if a Governor Of Hawaii has to say, “Well I just can’t turn it loose.” or “Obama won’t let me do it.”Which is why I think it will get coughed up because Abercrombie has already said he is going to do it, and even Obots couldn’t keep pretending there is no problem.Daniel:In your example, we are to the point where the teacher and me both agree that answering the question of what 2 +2 is will provide an answer. Because to date, some group put a PICTURE on the Internet of me supposedly working the problem, and somebody in Hawaii who nobody knows just swore that I knew the answer. Now, it can get resolved!!! (4)Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You obviously don’t understand Obama has no power to release it. He can’t overrule the state. If it’s not released then absolutely nothing happens. You still look like an idiot who has adopted the birther movement as your own simply because Obama beat the person you threw your vote behind fair and square.

    No in the example the teacher is asking you what 2 + 2 is and you respond saying 3 +2 = 7. Not only did you get the question wrong but also the answer.

    Dr Fukino wasn’t someone no one knew. This just shows how stupid you are. It goes to the whole point Abercrombie was trying to make that people are still trying to make Hawaii look foreign. I’m sure lots of people in Hawaii knew who Dr Fukino is. I’m sure most people understand the role of the Director of the Department of Health. Just because you were too dumb to know doesn’t mean that everyone else is

  378. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Dr. Bob Magicwater:

    OK, here is where you just keep on making stuff up so you won’t have to face REALITY! You said:

    “You obviously don’t understand Obama has no power to release it. He can’t overrule the state. ”

    There is no way you know whether this is true or not. It is Obama’s privacy, and if he wants to waive it, I think he can. But neither of us knows for sure. What we are pretty sure of is that he hasn’t tried. This is just another example of where you just desperately try to confirm your bias. Rather that say you aren’t sure, or even maybe he could, you just jump to “OH No, even Obama couldn’t do it.” When really you don’t know one way or the other.

    So, what you should do is try to come to grips with this, how you are just working overtime to make stuff up, like this being “rhetorical” when anybody who watches it can CLEARLY see there is nothing rhetorical about it.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  379. Daniel says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    SqueekyFromm: In your example, we are to the point where the teacher and me both agree that answering the question of what 2 +2 is will provide an answer. Because to date, some group put a PICTURE on the Internet of me supposedly working the problem,

    Yeah I didn’t think you’d be smart enough to get what I was driving at, just like you’re not smart enough to realize that your failure to go and see the actual paper copy of the BC on display is not Obama’s problem.

  380. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Daniel:

    Do not quit your day job to become a political advisor. It will turn out badly for you, and the people who rely on you will say bad things about you. On second thought, maybe you should apply to Obama as a Political Genius. I will give you a glowing review about how smart you are. Oh is that not sneaky of me??? To send somebody into Obama who doesn’t think what voters believe matters???

    Oh this is like fishing in a barrel!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  381. G says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    SqueekyFromm: There is no way you know whether this is true or not. It is Obama’s privacy, and if he wants to waive it, I think he can. But neither of us knows for sure. What we are pretty sure of is that he hasn’t tried. This is just another example of where you just desperately try to confirm your bias. Rather that say you aren’t sure, or even maybe he could, you just jump to “OH No, even Obama couldn’t do it.” When really you don’t know one way or the other

    Squeeky,

    The point is valid that on its own, it does not appear that release of the document is up to Obama alone.

    What we do know for certain is that the state of HI has said that they maintain original data in their records, which would construe the information contained on a “long form”, but they ONLY give out the COLB when a birth certificate is requested and that has been their process and policy for well over a decade.

    The only “controversy” is on whether or not the original piece of paper of the full form still exists in that format, or if the data of the supposed “long form” is retained as a copy of the original or microfische, electronic data records, etc.

    If the “long form” was ever released for whatever circumstances, they would not be handing out whatever original “vital record” document that they maintain. They MUST keep the original. Otherwise, once they’ve given it out, it is gone…and as they are charged with maintaining such things, they MUST always keep whatever form as close to an “original” as they have exists.

    So, say Abercrombie finds a way to release something that equates to a “long form”. What it would be is some copy they print from the original data that then would get stamped and certified.

    There is no actual evidence that Obama can just request this form on his own. Other birthers have claimed such and often used the excuse that they have a HI BC and could request a long form.

    So, the “challenge” has been out there for someone to get their HI “long form” BC these days (not just show some copy that they got before the COLB only laws went into effect over a decade ago).

    Here we are and 2 years later, not a single one of these people making such boasts has been able to succeed and provide such a “long form” request from HI.

    Therefore, it is fairly reasonable to conclude that the premise that Obama could simply request this himself is BASELESS.

    However, say Abercrombie used the power of his office to request that document as a state record and provide it to the public, without violating existing privacy statutes…

    …Follow me on this…if he did find a legal way to release what they otherwise DO NOT provide at all, which contained someone’s private information – THEN such an act would most likely ALSO require permission FROM the individual, whose private info was on that document.

    Do you now understand?

    You have a valid point that Abercrombie may NOT be able to “deliver” on providing the “long form”.

    …Everyone is sensationalizing his interview story to assume so…so if he “fails” to do that, some will view it as “egg” on his face, I guess.

    HOWEVER – He NEVER actually SAID what you and others on news are jumping to conclusions and claiming – NO ACTUAL MENTION OF A LONG FORM. NO GUARANTEE OF SUCCESS EITHER.

    READ the actual SOURCE article of his interview – of which ALL this hoopla has come from:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BIRTH_CERTIFICATE?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

    Here are some key excerpts of what he actually said and what the article actually reports:

    HONOLULU (AP) — Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie wants to find a way to release more information about President Barack Obama’s Hawaii birth and dispel conspiracy theories that he was born elsewhere.

    Abercrombie was a friend of Obama’s parents and knew him as a child, and is deeply troubled by the effort to cast doubt on the president’s citizenship.

    The newly elected governor will ask the state attorney general’s office about what can be done to put an end to questions about Obama’s birth documentation from Aug. 4, 1961, spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Tuesday.

    “He had a friendship with Mr. Obama’s parents, and so there is a personal issue at hand,” Dela Cruz said. “Is it going to be done immediately? No, the first thing on our list is the economy.”

    It’s unclear what Abercrombie could do because Hawaii’s privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn’t have a tangible interest.

    So there. NOWHERE is any “long form” promised. You and other media folks have added that ASSUMPTION in ALL ON YOUR OWN.

    ALL he promised is to INQUIRE if anything can be done.

    Therefore, he could ask and the answer could simply come back as NOPE.

    In terms of what he actually promised to do (ASK), that would be accomplishing his objective.

    If he simply asks a question and the answer happens to be NO, that is a VALID response.

    Therefore, as I have said continuously, too much hype and hoopla is being needlessly “sensationalized” and making this report out to be more than it is.

    Lets wait and see what actually happens and THEN we’ll have something to talk about.

    Right now, it is a bunch of meaningless speculation, mostly based on assumptions of what would come out of it that were NEVER made in the first place.

    I hope this helps you and everyone else. Do you understand better now?

  382. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Crazius Maximux: Dr. Bob Magicwater:OK, here is where you just keep on making stuff up so you won’t have to face REALITY! You said:“You obviously don’t understand Obama has no power to release it. He can’t overrule the state. ”There is no way you know whether this is true or not. It is Obama’s privacy, and if he wants to waive it, I think he can. But neither of us knows for sure. What we are pretty sure of is that he hasn’t tried. This is just another example of where you just desperately try to confirm your bias. Rather that say you aren’t sure, or even maybe he could, you just jump to “OH No, even Obama couldn’t do it.” When really you don’t know one way or the other.So, what you should do is try to come to grips with this, how you are just working overtime to make stuff up, like this being “rhetorical” when anybody who watches it can CLEARLY see there is nothing rhetorical about it.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Dr Freud would have a field day with you. Once again you’re the only one making things up, your entire blog is filled with things youve made up because you don’t want to face the fact that Hilary Clinton, whom you didn’t really believe in, got beat by a strong Black American Man.
    It is true. Obama does not have the power to overrule the state. This is something the tea party would have a legitimate beef over as the 10th Amendment would clearly apply here. You may not like it but that’s the reality of the situation. There you go with the peewee herman defense again. You just parrot back what people have already told you about you. This isn’t confirmation bias its about where the law applies and it clearly applies here.
    I wouldn’t expect an incompetent person such as yourself to understand the nuances of reporting. After all you almost “killed” yourself with a guitar amp.

  383. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    G:

    Here we are and 2 years later, not a single one of these people making such boasts has been able to succeed and provide such a “long form” request from HI.

    There was a Freeper making all kinds of noise about getting their Long Form, complete with a video that supposedly proved that they were able to ask for one.

    Whatever became of that?

  384. G says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    James M:
    There was a Freeper making all kinds of noise about getting their Long Form, complete with a video that supposedly proved that they were able to ask for one.Whatever became of that?

    I’ve heard the reports, but never seen any evidence that backs up the boasts.

    So my conclusion is just more l.i.e.s. and bogus claims.

    Unless anyone can show me the evidence otherwise…

  385. James M says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): After all you almost “killed” yourself with a guitar amp.

    Dropping it on your head is one thing, getting a shock while modding one of the gain stages is another. Some ways of killing yourself with a guitar amp are respectable 🙂

  386. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    James M:
    There was a Freeper making all kinds of noise about getting their Long Form, complete with a video that supposedly proved that they were able to ask for one.Whatever became of that?

    A certain freeper named Danae a while back posted pictures of what she purported to be a long form. What it looked like though was she had an old copy from years ago. The new one she had was on a white piece of paper, had no seal, no signatures, wasn’t of the quality that birthers had been railing on about. Polarik attacked her and they got in a fight over it. She also received a COLB that looked exactly like Obama’s. The images have since been passworded by her.

  387. G says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    A certain freeper named Danae a while back posted pictures of what she purported to be a long form.What it looked like though was she had an old copy from years ago.The new one she had was on a white piece of paper, had no seal, no signatures, wasn’t of the quality that birthers had been railing on about.Polarik attacked her and they got in a fight over it.She also received a COLB that looked exactly like Obama’s.The images have since been passworded by her.

    In other words: EPIC FAIL!

  388. Bovril says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    JamesM,

    You are probably thinking of the Freeperville poster “Danae” who requested more of her personal data from Hawai’i.

    What she got was NOT a BC but an uncertified, nonsealed, non legally binding, no security paper, photocopied document with very little additional data to the current BC.

    Full details..

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4984&start=50&hilit=republic+bet+birth+certificate

  389. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Bovril, since gretawire closed down, one of the persons who went there started a similar forum as an alternative to greta’s blog. It’s only been up and running for about a week, but some of the birthers have been showing up. It’s run by someone who likes President Obama, but he has asked two obama haters to help moderate the site. If you, black lion, and anyone else who enjoys messing with the buffons want to continue that, check it out. Squiggy goes there and posts her usual stuff about her cleaning your clocks here.

    http://gratewire.com/

  390. Bovril says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Wandered over their and had a peek a week odd ago.

    They’ve even got Mad Old Orly’s sycophant Logia-Veritas posting there.

    HQ are happpy to see this site operating, the tag and bag quota for Birfoons had taken a hit when Gretawire was zapped

  391. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I hadn’t seen Baghdad Logia there yet, but I just joined last night. Nick_A was there spouting the usual birther BS.

  392. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    There are a lot of general Obama-haters there to since the moderators both hate him. I think the fact that Robinhoodlum owns the site, it will cut down on a lot of the nastiness.

  393. aarrgghh says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    G: NOWHERE is any “long form” promised. You and other media folks have added that ASSUMPTION in ALL ON YOUR OWN.

    ALL he promised is to INQUIRE if anything can be done.

    Therefore, he could ask and the answer could simply come back as NOPE.

    In terms of what he actually promised to do (ASK), that would be accomplishing his objective.

    this is what i’ve understood the original reports of ambercrombie’s intentions to mean: in short, a fishing expedition. ironically, after two years birfers may be finally getting just what they’ve been clamoring the courts for — but for some odd reason they don’t sound very triumphant about it.

  394. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Fut:

    Well, I just hope you behave there as nice as you behave here. If not, I will just have to do some more Obot Group Therapy Sessions.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  395. Rickey says:
    December 30, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):So who is transparent and full of baloney except Chris?He rails on and on about others accepting government checks and yet he’s collecting social security.Just another birther hypocrite.

    Chris Strunk was born in 1947 (he posted his DOB on a genealogy forum several years ago). If he was receiving Social Security prior to 2009, he was not just collecting Social Security, he was on Social Security disability. And of course since he is on Social Security, he also is enrolled in government-run health care.

  396. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    And there you go calling me a name already, Clown. As I have told everyone on gretawire, and for the past 3+ years, numbskull, and as those who have known me for that time already know, I don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore since trying to have a civil conversation with you name-calling idiots is impossible. Since you have again started the name calling, DON’T WHINE WHEN YOU ARE CALLED NAMES. That’s been my policy for more than 3 years, and it will continue at Robinhoodlum’s forum.

  397. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    I think that Robinhoodlum will weed you name-callers out pretty quickly compared to Greta.

  398. charo says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    James M:
    There was a Freeper making all kinds of noise about getting their Long Form, complete with a video that supposedly proved that they were able to ask for one.Whatever became of that?

    From the Doc himself:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/10/long-form-sighted/#more-9097

    In support of the claim of authenticity, an image of a receipt from the Hawaii Department of Health was published.

    Here is my take on all of this.

    I personally think it likely that the document is authentic.

    There is nothing in the image that tells me when it was issued. There is nothing that ties the image to the receipt. There is simply no way to verify the authenticity of the document as a recently-issued one (since Hawaii went “paperless” in 2001). In fact, creation of a fake one from an old Hawaiian birth certificate, is easy to accomplish.

    Contrast this to Barack Obama’s published Certification of Live Birth which is on security paper, has a signature stamp and a raised seal (internal authentication) and the facts of which are verified by the Hawaii Department of Health on their web site.

    On the other hand, I have no reason to conclude that the document is not authentic. The Hawaii Department of Health has stated officially, and to commenters here, that they no longer issue long-form birth certificates. However, the document in question here is not a long-form birth certificate. It is not a birth certificate of any kind because it is not certified (stamped, signed, sealed) by the state. It’s just a photocopy of an original birth certificate. It is no more a birth certificate than a photocopy of your driver’s license is a driver’s license. Therefore, issuing this plain-paper copy is consistent with the Department of Health’s statement that they don’t issue long form birth certificates any more. (In fact, I have consulted with another jurisdiction that works exactly that way — no certified copy of the long form, but they will print a image on request.)

    If I had bet someone that they couldn’t get a Hawaiian long form birth certificate, I wouldn’t pay up for this piece of paper. Without any doubt, if Barack Obama were to release a document like this, not on security paper, not signed, not dated, not sealed, the birthers would not accept it, and they would most definitely not accept it as a “birth certificate.” That is, Danae has not produced what the birthers are demanding from Barack Obama.

    Update:

    I got an email from Danae, who filled in some of the blanks in her story, including the name of the organization for which she needed the “long form.” There were several markers in the story that increased my confidence that her document is exactly what it purports to be and nothing that led me to doubt it.

    Everyone, please keep in mind that the publication of personal information about non-public figures on this blog is against the Editorial Policy and is prohibited.

  399. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    So does this mean “yes” people can still get Long Forms from Hawaii???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  400. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I should also add that Robinhoodlum is not one of you Obama haters.Moreover, he has been subjected to the exact same abuse by you clowns that I have for the past 3+ years and knows why I call you what I do. He also knows that I wouldn’t be doing that unless I had a darn good reason.

  401. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    FUT:

    From what I saw at gretawire you were hardly a poor little “victim” of anything. You were usually pretty loud and called people names and did posts where you called everybody names, which is OK with me, because that is Free Speech, but you seemed to dish out more abuse than you got.

    I even left messages here for you so you find the new gratewire place. (Because I figured it could use the “comic relief” you provided. LOL!!!) But you can be nice when you choose to be.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  402. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    lmao. WHAT PART OF 3 AND A HALF YEARS DON’T YOU GET???

  403. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    I was subjected to more than three years of abuse by those idiots before you ever went there, clolwn

  404. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    And unfortunately for you, so was Robinhodlum subjected to the same kind of abuse for at least two years, so he knows what you clowns are like too; too bad no more playing games with Greta

  405. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Fut:

    If you had all that abuse, maybe you need to go to a place like where they take pit bulls to get re-socialized just for people instead. You could maybe start with a name change to something less threatening than FutTheShuckUp. Maybe something gentler like “SciFiFan” (because you like those monsters) or do you have any other hobbies or interests???Then you could just start over???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  406. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    And maybe you need a nice big glass of STFUaboutit. I’m buying

  407. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    The abuse came because of my telling the birther buffoons™ they were wrong and being right about it every time, not because of my name. Those who have known me there for a long time, even many on the right, know me and respect me because they were able to judge a book by its content rather than its cover, which is an intellectual skill that you lack.

  408. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    FUT:

    I will just say one more thing then I will quit trying to counsel you. If you like guitars, maybe you could name The New Fut something musical??? Like Clefhanger, or Stringbean, or BSharp or something??? If you need help with stuff like this, I am a INTP so i can help you think of word play thingies.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  409. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 30, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    You’re the one who needs the counseling if you think that your dumb statements are going to make me change the name I’ve had for more than three years. In lieu of that, though, I’ll buy you another big glass of STFUaboutit.

  410. Bovril says:
    December 30, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Just to re-iterate to any who may have failed to read or peruse the link.

    The document seen on Freeperville by “Danae” is a photocopy of a selection of the individuals vital records. It is…..

    A. NOT a “Long Form”

    B. It is also NOT a Birth Certificate

    C. It has no legal currency to demonstrate identity, place or date of birth

  411. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 30, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    G: James M:
    There was a Freeper making all kinds of noise about getting their Long Form, complete with a video that supposedly proved that they were able to ask for one.Whatever became of that?

    I’ve heard the reports, but never seen any evidence that backs up the boasts.

    Let me must say that whether it is true or not, it makes absolutely no difference whatever.

    Whether President Obama can order a long form from Hawaii has no bearing on whether he is eligible or not.

    Hawaii’s stopping the issuance of long forms is not a law or a regulation; it is just a policy. It seem absurd on the face of it that the President of the United States even discounting the affection for him in his home state (YES IT IS HIS HOME STATE), could not get an exemption from a simple policy.

    Based on my reading of Hawaiian law, the private account to me of Dannae’s conversation with Dr. Onaka and just plain common sense, I believe that a Hawaiian citizen could get their long form if they had a good reason for it.

    That’s not solid evidence, but I think holding onto the impossibility of obtaining a Hawaiian long form is a very risky position to stake out, and one that has no ultimate importance.

  412. nbc says:
    December 30, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, there is a word that describes me tonight. It is VINDICATED!!!

    The word is ‘self deception’

  413. nbc says:
    December 30, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    SqueekyFromm: So does this mean “yes” people can still get Long Forms from Hawaii???

    Uncertified ones. They have no real value.

    Would you accept an uncertified certificate when you appear to be willing to accept a certified form?

    Sorry Squeeks…. You’re once again not making much sense here.

  414. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Let me must say that whether it is true or not, it makes absolutely no difference whatever.Whether President Obama can order a long form from Hawaii has no bearing on whether he is eligible or not.Hawaii’s stopping the issuance of long forms is not a law or a regulation; it is just a policy. It seem absurd on the face of it that the President of the United States even discounting the affection for him in his home state (YES IT IS HIS HOME STATE), could not get an exemption from a simple policy.Based on my reading of Hawaiian law, the private account to me of Dannae’s conversation with Dr. Onaka and just plain common sense, I believe that a Hawaiian citizen could get their long form if they had a good reason for it.That’s not solid evidence, but I think holding onto the impossibility of obtaining a Hawaiian long form is a very risky position to stake out, and one that has no ultimate importance.

    Dr C – I have no idea where you are coming up with this. Who said the word impossibility other than you?

    If you actually pay attention to what I’ve consistently said on here, I simply have seen many birther claims that all you have to do is ask and you shall receive this “long form”, yet I’ve seen none of them bear fruit. I simply don’t see the whole “all he has to do is ask” meme as a realistic one. There is a huge difference between unlikely and impossible.

    I’m with Bovril that what Danae produces doesn’t seem to pass muster as fitting that definition of what the birthers seem to be demanding of Obama.

    Further, I’ve clearly stated that like anyone else, if such a form was legally made public, like any typical person, I too would be just as interested and curios to see it. However, I simply understand the difference between having a simple personal curiosity and privacy laws and procedures and therefore accept that I would have no right to request or see it and it is not likely to just come into the public light on its own.

    Also, to be perfectly clear, such “curiosity” has nothing to do with the NBC issue, as we already know when and where it would place his birth – such things are clearly stated on the COLB. What additional details that remain for “curiosity” are merely tidbits of extraneous trivia details, like when you look at some historical document in a museum.

    You were correct about your closing statement that it has no ultimate importance, but you are otherwise off-base with accusing me of “staking a risky position”. I did nothing of the sort.

  415. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Why is my response in moderation?

  416. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Rickey:
    Chris Strunk was born in 1947 (he posted his DOB on a genealogy forum several years ago). If he was receiving Social Security prior to 2009, he was not just collecting Social Security, he was on Social Security disability. And of course since he is on Social Security, he also is enrolled in government-run health care.

    I figured as much which makes him another birther hypocrite

  417. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 31, 2010 at 11:14 am

    G: Why is my response in moderation?

    The off-site spam checking service has had sporadic networking problems over the past couple of days and when it fails, it throws comments into moderation until the network problems clear and they can be spam checked.

    I don’t know how often this is happening, but I have found 8 comments still in moderation for this reason, and I immediately approved them. One of them was yours.

    Our old buddy James (aka John/Jason/Robert/Allen/David/Jack/Paul/Tim) has also been rather prolifically posting as of late, most recently using the name of Jennifer. He’s banned, so his comments don’t get approved.

  418. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    December 31, 2010 at 11:21 am

    G: Dr C – I have no idea where you are coming up with this. Who said the word impossibility other than you?

    If you actually pay attention to what I’ve consistently said on here,…

    I don’t know where you got the idea that my comment was “about you” or anyone else in particular on the blog. I read something that led me to say something. A comment linked to another doesn’t have to be an agreement or a disagreement.

    I have observed over the course of several months many strong comments on this topic and I just wanted to issue a caution that it is not an important point.

  419. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I don’t know where you got the idea that my comment was “about you” or anyone else in particular on the blog. I read something that led me to say something. A comment linked to another doesn’t have to be an agreement or a disagreement.I have observed over the course of several months many strong comments on this topic and I just wanted to issue a caution that it is not an important point.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  420. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Dr C:

    I think you have the common sense thinking about the Long Form, because I just bet it is still out there sitting in a little file somewhere, because governments just save everything for history. Plus I am pretty sure I read somewhere you could spend about $50 and get one, but I forget where, because I read a lot of stuff.

    Plus, I don’t think us QUESTIONERS(Birthers) are whimpering. Here is where you have to be a big picture thinker. Col. Lakin is in Leavenworth, and that is bad for him, but if you look at us a “Movement” then he is a good martyr person, who shows just how callous and uncaring Obama is. Plus a money waster.

    Plus, I know you Obots don’t like that 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt poll, but really our questions have become sort of accepted by everybody. Even comedians make jokes about it, and it is just part of life now. And you have all the Abercrombie and Matthews stuff right now, so we are on the news a lot.

    This will be proved, because I am going to make a prediction for New Years, that this is the year we will see a Long Form!!! I am working on three Internet Articles or more, and this will be one of them about this called Obama’s Back Room when I finish it. Which may be today because I am not sure whether I am going out partying or not because of all the amplifiers and I am not sure I am healed yet or not from my near-fatal accident the other night where I was just relentlessly bombarded by low frequency sound waves but wad able to make my way to the off button just in time I bet.

    PLUS, Happy New Years Obots!!!

    Oh, and back to the other stuff, I see this stuff by Abercrombie and Matthews both of them VERY SMART political people as part of a plan by Obama and his new people to undo what he did, probably because of the dead fish guy, which is also why I bet he got fired. Because what have I been saying all along, it isn’t like people aren’t going to vote for him if he proves he is a American.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  421. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    Dr C:I think you have the common sense thinking about the Long Form, because I just bet it is still out there sitting in a little file somewhere, because governments just save everything for history.

    They have confirmed that they have the original information. What format it exists in is not clear. Yes, government does its best to save vital records like this – he is still alive, so they do need to have the info it contains after all. However, that does not necessarily mean that the original data still survives as an original piece of paper. Such things can deteriorate, get damaged or even lost over time. His original data might only be retained in a copy of the original, on microfiche, an electronic scan of the document, or merely in their computer databases. We simply don’t know. What format the original data is in doesn’t really matter – just as long as it is there and accessible when necessary.

    SqueekyFromm:
    Plus I am pretty sure I read somewhere you could spend about $50 and get one, but I forget where, because I read a lot of stuff.

    LOL! That’s part of your problem. You just believe whatever you read on the internet, without having actual evidence behind it to back it up. That claim has no more value than if some random gossip off the street tells you whatever pops into their head.

    Simply no credible evidence of this $50 claim or similar birther claims.

  422. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr C:I think you have the common sense thinking about the Long Form, because I just bet it is still out there sitting in a little file somewhere, because governments just save everything for history. Plus I am pretty sure I read somewhere you could spend about $50 and get one, but I forget where, because I read a lot of stuff.
    Plus, I don’t think us QUESTIONERS(Birthers) are whimpering. Here is where you have to be a big picture thinker. Col. Lakin is in Leavenworth, and that is bad for him, but if you look at us a “Movement” then he is a good martyr person, who shows just how callous and uncaring Obama is. Plus a money waster.
    Plus, I know you Obots don’t like that 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt poll, but really our questions have become sort of accepted by everybody. Even comedians make jokes about it, and it is just part of life now. And you have all the Abercrombie and Matthews stuff right now, so we are on the news a lot.This will be proved, because I am going to make a prediction for New Years, that this is the year we will see a Long Form!!! I am working on three Internet Articles or more, and this will be one of them about this called Obama’s Back Room when I finish it. Which may be today because I am not sure whether I am going out partying or not because of all the amplifiers and I am not sure I am healed yet or not from my near-fatal accident the other night where I was just relentlessly bombarded by low frequency sound waves but wad able to make my way to the off button just in time I bet.PLUS, Happy New Years Obots!!!Oh, and back to the other stuff, I see this stuff by Abercrombie and Matthews both of them VERY SMART political people as part of a plan by Obama and his new people to undo what he did, probably because of the dead fish guy, which is also why I bet he got fired. Because what have I been saying all along, it isn’t like people aren’t going to vote for him if he proves he is a American.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Yeah I’m sure a little bird told you about that $50. If it was that easy why hasn’t any birther from Hawaii been able to get an official long form certificate since 2001? You’d think this is something they would have jumped all over from the get go.

    You’re not questioners Squeeks and you know it. Your whole birtherism is based on your single hatred of Obama beating Hilary. No matter what he provides will change your mind because it was never about proving he was American. It was about you wanting him out of office because he beat a woman you supported whom you never believed in anyway.

    How is Lakin a good martyr? Lakin’s conviction had nothing to do with Obama. He disobeyed a direct order from his superior officer which had nothing to do with Obama. How can Obama be a money waster in this case considering the Pentagon and the military gets its moneys through act of Congress. Obama doesn’t have a say over the money. Obama didn’t order the military to prosecute Lakin. So once again this is a failure on your part to ever get the facts right.

    There aren’t 58% of Americans who have some degree of doubt over Obama. This comes from you not knowing how to read a poll and you trying to fudge the meaning of words. You determine probably to mean doubt and yet when probably is used in the context of not being born here you add that total to your number. The probably in that case, according to your logic, means they have doubts about him not being born here so you would add that to the side of people who believe he was born here. Either that or you count the numbers correctly.

    Comedians make jokes about the birthers not about Obama. See that’s the problem with how you think, you don’t realize that the comedians aren’t laughing with you, they’re laughing at you.

    You know Rahm Emanuel has a name right? He left because he wanted to run for Mayor of Chicago which was predicted long before Obama even became President that if the Mayorship opened up Rahm would run for it.

    Obama has proven he is American. You sure haven’t

  423. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    I’m starting to hate this moderation filter…

  424. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    Plus, I don’t think us QUESTIONERS(Birthers) are whimpering. Here is where you have to be a big picture thinker. Col. Lakin is in Leavenworth, and that is bad for him, but if you look at us a “Movement” then he is a good martyr person, who shows just how callous and uncaring Obama is. Plus a money waster.

    Plus, I know you Obots don’t like that 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt poll, but really our questions have become sort of accepted by everybody. Even comedians make jokes about it, and it is just part of life now.

    LOL! Birthers always seem to be whimpering. Or whining if you want to call it that. All birther claims seem to be childish emotional complaints, so yeah, I’d call birthersim one big whimpering fest from that perspective – especially when you factor in that every ill-conceived quest and claim of “any day now” on this has consistently resulted in failure.

    You overestimate your “movement’s” size and significance. To the broader public, you are at best a running joke – which is why comedians have no problems bringing it up as farcical comedy. They are laughing at you folks, not with you.

    All deluded movements will look to make any of their foolish members who gets spanked down into a “martyr”. So big deal. For Lakin, he’s ruined his career and future…yet you folks get excited by using his sad and foolish ruination as an excuse to have a rallying cry. Really, even that doesn’t do anything for your so-called movement. Birthers are zealots by nature so every little thing they do get’s worked up into a similar rallying cry to the same birther audience with no greater success or effect. With or without Lakin as your so-called “martyr”, you folks are just doing the same pointless circle jerk as before.

    Finally, again you are back to over-hyping and stating that 58% statistic out of context and making numbers out to mean other than they actually do. You’ve already been corrected on this in considerable detail previously – so I’ll just simply say that this shows that you are disingenuous and self-deluded in your posts and hopes. After 2+ years of birtherism, if people claim that they haven’t heard about the issue somewhere by now, it most likely just means that they could care less about such things. Of those that are aware of the issue, the numbers that think you folks are just plain nuts than buy into your schemes.

    That a certain percentage of the population is gullible and receptive to some extent of birtherism is pretty irrelevant as well, since those numbers are not much different then the percentage of the population that buys into nearly every other fantasy conspiracy theory, old wives tale and mythical belief out there.

    All it demonstrates is that this country has a fairly consistent and sizable threshold of uneducated and gullible people – and that there seems to be a broad overlap of the kooky things they can be suckered into believing.

  425. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    And you have all the Abercrombie and Matthews stuff right now, so we are on the news a lot.

    Not that surprising at all. Sensationalism and infotainment always make a big water-cooler style news splash for a few days or weeks. Particularly if that occurs during any slow holiday news cycle where there aren’t bigger serious stories to follow.

    Lindsey Lohan’s embarrassing antics in and out of rehab and other train wreck stories like that garner just as much if not more coverage than this story, so when you put it all into historical perspective, birtherism has less significance and impact on society than news reports on the “Octomom”.

  426. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I’m starting to hate this moderation filter…

    Me too. I guess the glitches are now impacting quote responses I make to Squeeky as well as Dr. C.

    Well, let’s see if this quote function response to you makes it through, or if the bug in the trigger is now just moderating quote responses in general…

  427. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    The spam filter / moderation glitch seems to have expanded to be moderating nearly any post that utilizes the “quote” feature to respond to someone…

  428. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    SqueekyFromm:
    This will be proved, because I am going to make a prediction for New Years, that this is the year we will see a Long Form!!!

    Well, mere speculation is certainly a valid and time honored tradition for basing New Years predictions, so yours is noted. Only time will tell if it comes true or not..

    SqueekyFromm:
    Happy New Years Obots!!!

    HNY

    SqueekyFromm:
    Abercrombie and Matthews both of them VERY SMART political people as part of a plan by Obama and his new people to undo what he did, probably because of the dead fish guy, which is also why I bet he got fired. Because what have I been saying all along, it isn’t like people aren’t going to vote for him if he proves he is a American.

    Don’t follow what you are saying here at all. Dead fish guy? Huh? “undo what he did”? Huh? Fired? Don’t have any clue what you are talking about on anything here. The entire paragraph is a weird undecipherable word salad of gibberish.

  429. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus, I know you Obots don’t like that 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt poll,

    WE don’t have any problem with the poll at all. You have a problem in that the only way you can make your ridiculous premise work is by taking the large percentage of people who answered the equivalent of “I don’t give a rat’s ass about the whole subject” and lumped them in with the fringe minority who have “doubts”.

    Of course those same polling sources show that over 97.3% of birthers have an IQ of less than 70, but you conveniently left that part out I see.

  430. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    And once again, nutjob, 89% in the poll have some degree of doubt that he was born in another country.

  431. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I just wanted to wish Doc and everyone here keeping it real a very happy new year, so Happy New Year.

  432. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Dr. Ken Noesywater:

    The moderation is probably just stopping you from saying bad things to me! But, I forgive you. Plus, since I know how much you just loooovvvvee my Internet Articles, here is the new one:

    http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/backroom-obama-understanding-the-flurry-of-birther-activity/

    Plus, I even double checked the spelling of “backroom” just for you, because I didn’t want you to get hung up on that! It is usually just one word.

    Daniel and FUT: There is a reason for all the flurry of Birther Activity, and my article is very insightful about the possible reasons! I can not help it if you are just not politically smart like me and Chris Matthews!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  433. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    No one with any degree of sanity wants to read your delusional drivel.

  434. Slartibartfast says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Squeeky,

    I read your article – what a fascinating view into the birther mind. Unfortunately if you take your theory and compare it to the hypothesis that the POTUS doesn’t wastes much time at all thinking about the birthers (except when his writers put birther jokes into his speeches…) using Occam’s razor it gets all cut to shreds. You should really try to understand that even though you and your fellow deluded sheep think that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE EVER doesn’t mean that the president and his staff waste any of their busy days on it…

  435. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Plus it would help if she’d bother to mention them in some timely fashion

  436. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    FUT:

    You are just afraid it will be sooo good that you will have to change your mind or admit that I am very smart after all and right about stuff!!! Your mind is already made up and you just don’t want it confused with INTELLIGENCE!!! But I put it on gratewire too!!!

    Plus, Happy New Years to you!!! (And I hope one of your resolutions is to read more stuff you don’t agree with so that you will be smarter and better and happier!)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  437. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Moreover, I’m not one who’s going to feed your pathological narcissism by reading that crap

  438. Slartibartfast says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: No one with any degree of sanity wants to read your delusional drivel.

    I don’t know, it was pretty entertaining – in a sad and pathetic sort of way…

  439. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    SlartiB:

    Thank you for reading my Internet Article!!! You have just given me a idea for a new Internet Article —Occam’s Golf Club!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  440. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Umm, what part of everyone here keeping it REAL don’t you get?

  441. Slartibartfast says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    FUTTHESHUCKUP (to Squeeky): Umm, what part of everyone here keeping it REAL don’t you get?

    Um… All of it?

  442. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    If I had said, “Happy New Year to all those delusional nutjobs who are in league with all kinds of racists, neo-nazis, and right wing nutjobs who are trying to get our president assassinated,” then I would have meant you.

  443. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Slartibartfast:
    Um…All of it?

    Especially the REAL part, Slartibartfast, because that’s the part she can’t seem to grasp.

  444. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    G:
    Well, mere speculation is certainly a valid and time honored tradition for basing New Years predictions, so yours is noted.Only time will tell if it comes true or not..HNY
    Don’t follow what you are saying here at all.Dead fish guy?Huh?“undo what he did”? Huh?Fired?Don’t have any clue what you are talking about on anything here.The entire paragraph is a weird undecipherable word salad of gibberish.

    G I think she’s talking about Rahm. Rahm once sent a dead fish to someone so I think that’s what she’s talking about

  445. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken Noesywater:The moderation is probably just stopping you from saying bad things to me! But, I forgive you. Plus, since I know how much you just loooovvvvee my Internet Articles, here is the new one:http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/backroom-obama-understanding-the-flurry-of-birther-activity/Plus, I even double checked the spelling of “backroom” just for you, because I didn’t want you to get hung up on that! It is usually just one word.Daniel and FUT: There is a reason for all the flurry of Birther Activity, and my article is very insightful about the possible reasons! I can not help it if you are just not politically smart like me and Chris Matthews!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    No one cares about your dumb website. If anyone cared they would click on your name. Once again you prove you can’t go a day without talking about your website or trying to direct traffic over there.

  446. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    G:

    I am not going to you know what your post above, because it might get glitched. Which is why I said you know what instead of the word that sounds like kwote. Anyway, maybe this is sensationalism or maybe not, but think about this. Because it is another Internet Article I may do if I decide to stay home tonight, about what happens if Abercrombie DOESN’T cough up something.

    This is why I think it is already a done backroom deal, because if Abercrombie doesn’t deliver anything, then I bet even some of you Obots start to get suspicious. The risk to Obama’s credibleness is just too great for there not to be a backroom deal already made.

    But oh just think if Abercrombie can’t deliver, or pulls that “I just swear I seen it!” bunch of baloney and tries to put that over on America.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  447. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    SqueekyFromm: what happens if Abercrombie DOESN’T cough up something

    Something in the range of nothing, zero, nicht, goose egg, nein, zippo, sweet dick all, diddley slash squat…

    Since the POTUS has already proven his eligibility beyond any reasonable doubt, there is no reason for him to bother.

    Since the birther fringe is not only too small to pay any attention to, and since the general public views them as nutcases, if the general public cares at all, not pandering to the birthers is politically good for Obama.

    Since Abercrombie never said he was going to release any such “long form”, and since privacy laws prohibit it, and since it would be immediately dismissed by the birthers as a “forgery” anyways, he’s unlikely to bother.

    So the answer to the question remains the status quo. Birthers will keep raving like lunatics ovewr a non-issue, and the rest of the country will continue to laugh at their failures.

  448. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Slartibartfast:
    I don’t know, it was pretty entertaining – in a sad and pathetic sort of way…

    Yeah, you can tell how nutty she is by reading that nonsense. I already know that she’s way out past Pluto without reading it

  449. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Daniel:

    Long ago, on a planet far away called DELUSION. . .!!! If Abercrombie doesn’t cough up anything, the number of us QUESTIONERS will get really higher, and like I said, I bet even some Obots finally get fed up with him. This was just too big a gamble for Ambercrombie to make without there already being a deal. You are just living in your on little world where actions and lack of actions don’t have consequences. No Long Form, no reelection. Which Obama has probably already lost by kissing Wall Streets rear end and not taxing the rich.

    Plus, people think the economy is recovering??? OMG! I have to hurry up my Squeekonomics stuff.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  450. Slartibartfast says:
    December 31, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    Yeah, you can tell how nutty she is by reading that nonsense. I already know that she’s way out past Pluto without reading it

    Pluto? Dude, she’s fast approaching the heliopause… You have to be impressed by the depth of hate for the lawfully elected POTUS that allows them to continue their delusions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

  451. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Slartibartfast:
    Pluto?Dude, she’s fast approaching the heliopause…You have to be impressed by the depth of hate for the lawfully elected POTUS that allows them to continue their delusions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    Yeah, there was no “flurry of activity” surrounding the post she made on another forum like she likes to think there was. Only one response, and that person responded twice. The only other responses were her’s and the moderator’s, who responds to all obama-hate posts. She confabulates the rest in her delusional mind

  452. Northland10 says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Sorry to interrupt up the Squeek fest but, I notice that Hemenway has requested a a recusal on the Hollister:

    No. 10-678
    Title:
    Gregory S. Hollister, Petitioner
    v.
    Barry Soetoro, et al.
    Docketed: November 23, 2010
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
    Case Nos.: (09-5080)
    Decision Date: March 22, 2010
    Rehearing Denied: August 23, 2010

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nov 22 2010 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due December 23, 2010)
    Nov 22 2010 Appendix of Gregory S. Hollister filed. (Volumes I, II, III)
    Dec 22 2010 Waiver of right of respondents Barry Soetoro, et al. to respond filed.
    Dec 29 2010 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 14, 2011.
    Dec 30 2010 Request for recusal received from petitioner.

    As it is, I would suspect it would be denied if 8 Justices were recused.

  453. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    She had better start creating other ID’s there so it looks like someone gives a rat’s ass about what she says.

  454. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Long ago, on a planet far away called DELUSION. . .!!! If Abercrombie doesn’t cough up anything, the number of us QUESTIONERS will get really higher, and like I said, I bet even some Obots finally get fed up with him. This was just too big a gamble for Ambercrombie to make without there already being a deal. You are just living in your on little world where actions and lack of actions don’t have consequences. No Long Form, no reelection. Which Obama has probably already lost by kissing Wall Streets rear end and not taxing the rich.Plus, people think the economy is recovering??? OMG! I have to hurry up my Squeekonomics stuff.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    So you’re saying if Abercrombie doesn’t release a long form that he never said he would all you birthers are going to get high? Whatever stopped you before? You really love projecting your insecurities off onto other people. It is you that lives in another world. The long form has nothing to do with anything and it just shows how craven you are that you’d adopt a movement just because you hate the fact that some black guy beat a woman you never really supported.

  455. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Fut:

    The “Squeeky” me has THREE blogs, plus one forum. Plus, the “Squeeky” me posts at gratewire, here, gretawire, and other places. Dr. Taitz even used one of my Internet Articles on her website! Plus, the “Squeeky” me has stuff on a REAL ART website!!! And I do ORIGINAL stuff, write my own poetry, write my own songs, do the little movie things, and even does film stuff and Squeekonomics!!! The real me has another website where I do mostly ORIGINAL Goth stuff!!! Plus, I work, and am learning guitar, too!!! And I am the mother to three cats and one poor little orphan blue jay who is handicapped!

    Now I think that is pretty busy for just one person and that doesn’t even count my social life and friends and other interests!!!

    Soooo, I have enough to do just being me!!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  456. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    it just shows how craven you are that you’d adopt a movement just because you hate the fact that some black guy beat a woman you never really supported.

    This is an important point because it highlights just how stupid, self-centered, foolish, and narcissistic she is. In the first place, she is siding with racists and neo-nazis who are doing this just because they hate blacks. Would Hillary Clinton approve of that? Of course she wouldn’t; not in a million years. In fact, Hillary would tell those who engage in that kind of crap to pound salt. Secondly, she is aligning herself with those who absolutely hate Hillary Clinton, call her a socialist, and accuse her and her husband of murdering people as they climbed the political ladder. She tried to espouse the good points about Hillary on gretawire, and they EXCORIATED her. I like Hillary Clinton, and if she had won, there was no way I would be aligning myself with right wing nutjobs confronting Clown with the so-called “Clinton Body Count, yet she is so stupid, so foolish, so self-centered, and so narcissistic that she would align herself with HILLARY CLINTON’S ENEMIES! There is no greater folly than what Clown exhibits on a daily basis.

  457. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    I am saying that if you want to see the number of us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) really go up, just let Abercrombie NOT deliver!!! Because he has already put his foot in his mouth, and if he doesn’t follow through then me, Dr. Taitz, and World Net Daily are all going to just make him eat crow, and a lot of people who think we are too skeptical are going to skeptical themselves, maybe even some of you Obots will finally find a suspicious bone in your bodies.

    Because, when the Governor of the state that supposedly has the records and has run his mouth off about how he is going to shut us QUESTIONERS up, and then DOESN’T, that is really going to look even worse for your hero, Obama.And you are really deluding yourself if you think not.

    Which is why I think there is already a backroom deal which Abercrombie is in on.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  458. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    By the way, “Clown” = Squeeky the Clown

  459. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    And not only that, all the nonsense she is engaging in will NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.

  460. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    She must think that her garbage is somehow helping Hillary Clinton, but there is no wisdom in that. President Obama will run for reelection in 2012, and SHE’S HELPING THE GOP NOMINEE TO WIN. Now, the nutjob doesn’t realize that if that happens, Hillary Clinton is out of a job. I guess Clown thinks that Hillary will thank her for putting her out of a job; that’s the kind of assbackwards thinking that she engages in.

    Frankly, I think that Hillary will be Prsident Obama’s VP in 2012; just my opinion. And if that’s the case, and they lose, then Hillary can thank Clown for contributing to that loss.

  461. Rickey says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Northland10: Sorry to interrupt up the Squeek fest but, I notice that Hemenway has requested a a recusal on the Hollister:As it is, I would suspect it would be denied if 8 Justices were recused.

    Hemenway apparently hasn’t grasped the fact that there is nothing for the justices to be recused from. The petition has already been “dead filed” because it was scheduled for conference without any of the justices calling for a response, so the denial of cert is a mere formality.

  462. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Fut:The “Squeeky” me has THREE blogs, plus one forum. Plus, the “Squeeky” me posts at gratewire, here, gretawire, and other places. Dr. Taitz even used one of my Internet Articles on her website! Plus, the “Squeeky” me has stuff on a REAL ART website!!! And I do ORIGINAL stuff, write my own poetry, write my own songs, do the little movie things, and even does film stuff and Squeekonomics!!! The real me has another website where I do mostly ORIGINAL Goth stuff!!! Plus, I work, and am learning guitar, too!!! And I am the mother to three cats and one poor little orphan blue jay who is handicapped!Now I think that is pretty busy for just one person and that doesn’t even count my social life and friends and other interests!!!Soooo, I have enough to do just being me!!!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I think the fact that Orly Taitz used your article on her malware laden website just speaks volumes to how crazy in fact you must be. I wouldn’t count that as an achievement. How can you have a “real art” website if its only filled with pictures? That you have all that speaks as a testament that you have a lot of free time on your hands. This means you don’t actually have a social life

  463. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    This is an important point because it highlights just how stupid, self-centered, foolish, and narcissistic she is. In the first place, she is siding with racists and neo-nazis who are doing this just because they hate blacks. Would Hillary Clinton approve of that? Of course she wouldn’t; not in a million years. In fact, Hillary would tell those who engage in that kind of crap to pound salt. Secondly, she is aligning herself with those who absolutely hate Hillary Clinton, call her a socialist, and accuse her and her husband of murdering people as they climbed the political ladder. She tried to espouse the good points about Hillary on gretawire, and they EXCORIATED her. I like Hillary Clinton, and if she had won, there was no way I would be aligning myself with right wing nutjobs confronting Clown with the so-called “Clinton Body Count, yet she is so stupid, so foolish, so self-centered, and so narcissistic that she would align herself with HILLARY CLINTON’S ENEMIES! There is no greater folly than what Clown exhibits on a daily basis.

    I think it just speaks wonders that everytime I bring that fact up she never addresses it. We know she didn’t believe in what Clinton believes in and only was on her side because she’s a woman. She never answered my question of if she was voting for Palin if Palin got the republican nomination

  464. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    I think it just speaks wonders that everytime I bring that fact up she never addresses it.We know she didn’t believe in what Clinton believes in and only was on her side because she’s a woman.She never answered my question of if she was voting for Palin if Palin got the republican nomination

    She wouldn’t answer it? Hmmmm. Now that is strange. Looks like your theory is correct, Bob. She’s taken the Fifth

  465. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:I am saying that if you want to see the number of us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) really go up, just let Abercrombie NOT deliver!!! Because he has already put his foot in his mouth, and if he doesn’t follow through then me, Dr. Taitz, and World Net Daily are all going to just make him eat crow, and a lot of people who think we are too skeptical are going to skeptical themselves, maybe even some of you Obots will finally find a suspicious bone in your bodies.
    Because, when the Governor of the state that supposedly has the records and has run his mouth off about how he is going to shut us QUESTIONERS up, and then DOESN’T, that is really going to look even worse for your hero, Obama.And you are really deluding yourself if you think not.Which is why I think there is already a backroom deal which Abercrombie is in on.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You’re not questioners. Questioners actually have valid questions instead of ignoring all evidence and continuing to question far after the question has already been answered. You really overstate what you think is going to happen. Many out there will just go about their business. Abercrombie never promised the long form that you guys are going on and on about. Even so why do you avoid the fact that the Long form isn’t going to provide any information when it comes to eligibility. This has already been answered.

    We know Obama is 35 and over
    We know Obama was born in this country
    We know Obama has been in this country for over 14 years.

    That’s all that is important. All the other stuff is just radio static.

    I find it funny that everytime I bring it up you fail to address it. You are a craven self center child who throw your lot in with racists, nativists, extremists, xenophobes who believe somehow Obama isn’t American. You do it not because you believe as they do but rather because you hate that a Black man beat a woman in a fair fight. So I ask you again if Palin wins the Republican Nominee are you going to let your hatred get the best of you and vote for Palin?

    Who says Obama is my Hero? That would just be as stupid as me saying Hitler is your hero. You confuse me supporting the laws of this country as supporting a particular candidate.

  466. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    She’s more silent on that than “President Obama is on his birth certificate.” lmao. According to her assbackwards logic, that means she has something to hide.

  467. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Dr. Bob Funnywater:

    The REAL Art site isn’t mine. My stuff was just soooo good they let it be there! I even did a poem about Portugeese people who are very important in Portugal!!! The real me has another website that is mostly original but I have been neglecting it trying to save our country from Obama. Because that is more important than just me doing what I love, which is writing poems about love tragedies, and alienation and death.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  468. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Funnywater:The REAL Art site isn’t mine. My stuff was just soooo good they let it be there! I even did a poem about Portugeese people who are very important in Portugal!!! The real me has another website that is mostly original but I have been neglecting it trying to save our country from Obama. Because that is more important than just me doing what I love, which is writing poems about love tragedies, and alienation and death.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    How could it be “real art” if it is just pictures? Either that or they just let anyone upload stuff. Portuguese people who are very important in Portugal? Is that anything like the Clipper Ships paper in Searching for Bobby Fischer? Our country doesn’t need saving and you still didn’t answer my question. If Sarah Palin wins the republican nomination are you voting for her for President?

  469. Sef says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Northland10: Title:
    Gregory S. Hollister, Petitioner
    v.
    Barry Soetoro, et al.

    A question about this & similar cases: Why is the case allowed to go forward when there is no such person as the defendant, “Barry Soetoro”? Why doesn’t the person assigned to accepting process for POTUS just send it back with “No such person at this address”?

  470. Joey says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:I am saying that if you want to see the number of us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) really go up, just let Abercrombie NOT deliver!!! Because he has already put his foot in his mouth, and if he doesn’t follow through then me, Dr. Taitz, and World Net Daily are all going to just make him eat crow, and a lot of people who think we are too skeptical are going to skeptical themselves, maybe even some of you Obots will finally find a suspicious bone in your bodies. Because, when the Governor of the state that supposedly has the records and has run his mouth off about how he is going to shut us QUESTIONERS up, and then DOESN’T, that is really going to look even worse for your hero, Obama.And you are really deluding yourself if you think not.Which is why I think there is already a backroom deal which Abercrombie is in on.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Did you guys make Governor Lingle “eat crow?” She refused every single birther request for release of Obama’s original birth certificate and she defended Obama’s birth in Honolulu, even going as far as to name the birth hospital.
    I don’t recall the previous Republican Governor eating any crow.

  471. Joey says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Sef: A question about this & similar cases: Why is the case allowed to go forward when there is no such person as the defendant, “Barry Soetoro”? Why doesn’t the person assigned to accepting process for POTUS just send it back with “No such person at this address”?

    What’s even more strange is that the Government’s attorneys submitted briefs, motions and responses to the trial judge using the name “Barry Soetoro.”
    I think the legal strategy was to ignore the attempted insult and let the trial judge take care of that. It worked!

  472. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    Yes, I would vote for Sarah Palin unless she was running against Hillary Clinton.

    Joey:

    I did a Internet Article on Gov. Lingle which examined the legal aspects of her statements.

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/05/objection-hearsay.html

    See. If you read my Internet Articles you would just learn all kinds of things!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  473. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:Yes, I would vote for Sarah Palin unless she was running against Hillary Clinton.
    Joey:I did a Internet Article on Gov. Lingle which examined the legal aspects of her statements.
    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/05/objection-hearsay.htmlSee. If you read my Internet Articles you would just learn all kinds of things!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Why would you vote for Sarah Palin what beliefs does she have that are yours? Why would you vote for Hilary.

    Once again stop trying to direct traffic to your website on Dr. C’s blog. It’s rude, self centered, and we don’t care

  474. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    your lot in with racists, nativists, extremists, xenophobes who believe somehow Obama isn’t American.You do it not because you believe as they do but rather because you hate that a Black man beat a woman in a fair fight.

    Yes, they’re always saying that you can tell who Obama is by looking at those he associates with. We see whom Clown associates with, now don’t we?

  475. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    That you have all that speaks as a testament that you have a lot of free time on your hands.This means you don’t actually have a social life

    And it’s not a giant leap to come to that conclusion, Bob. Those who help out those they like by siding with that person’s enemies can’t have a social life other than a shallow, toxic one that is based on common hatreds, and those don’t last very long; they are relationships of convenience rather than relationships of mutual respect. To bad Clown is too narcissistic to see that.

  476. Northland10 says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Sef: A question about this & similar cases: Why is the case allowed to go forward when there is no such person as the defendant, “Barry Soetoro”? Why doesn’t the person assigned to accepting process for POTUS just send it back with “No such person at this address”?

    In the original filings, he is listed as, I believe, “Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama,” so in a sense he listed as the defendant. He also includes the Joe Biden so it is a larger list. He also includes all that “a natural person” and “in Posse” nonsense which makes it look like Strunk wrote it.

    I did notice that the responding attorney is not a government attorney but is still from Perkins Coie, the firm that was originally representing Obama and Biden. This would rule out any chance of involvement in the defense by Justice Kagen since the White House Counsel was not involved. Hemenway requested members of the Appeals Court also recuse themselves due to “bias.” Apparently, to him, somebody is biased if they will end up ruling against him.

  477. FUTTHESHUCKUP says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Squeeky the Clown is a disgrace to Hillary Clinton, and I know for a fact that Hillary herself would say that.

  478. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    The only time I have SHALLOW TOXIC relationships is when I let some grunty little malebeast into my life!!! Plus, I only point out my website when there is a RELEVANT TIMELY Internet Article on it!

    Plus, Dr. C has all kinds of links right below here to Birthers, so I don’t guess he minds if I link something every once in a while. I do it soooo little Poor Daniel didn’t even know I had a website, so that Dr. C. had to link a few of the times for him. Face it Dr. Ken, you are just sooo afraid somebody is going to read my stuff and say, “Gee! Squeeky Fromm is smart after all and has really good Internet Articles!” That is what scares you!!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  479. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The only time I have SHALLOW TOXIC relationships is when I let some grunty little malebeast into my life!!! Plus, I only point out my website when there is a RELEVANT TIMELY Internet Article on it!
    Plus, Dr. C has all kinds of links right below here to Birthers, so I don’t guess he minds if I link something every once in a while. I do it soooo little Poor Daniel didn’t even know I had a website, so that Dr. C. had to link a few of the times for him. Face it Dr. Ken, you are just sooo afraid somebody is going to read my stuff and say, “Gee! Squeeky Fromm is smart after all and has really good Internet Articles!” That is what scares you!!!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You have shown that you have plenty of toxic relationships since you would freely associate with Orly Taitz who is anti-middle eastern, you believe the same as those on storm front. You are more toxic though in that you would freely associate with a movement just because you hate that a Black Man beat a woman fair and square. Your website has no relevance here. You have pointed to links on your website over 4 times in 2 days. You mention your website in almost every post. If anyone wanted to go to your website they could click on your name. There’s a difference between Doc listing other birther sites in links below so anyone who feels like it can go and you constantly spamming links to your site in topics. This would be like Doc going to birther sites and constantly talking about his website. Its self centered and its rude. You really are full of yourself. I’m actually afraid that people might actually come to the mistaken belief that you have a pulse. No one is saying you’re smart but you squeeks. Even your therapist thinks your brain doesn’t function correctly

  480. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    Since you are soooo good at counting, maybe you can count and see how many times in 2 days YOU have mentioned my website. I bet it is more than 4.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  481. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Long ago, on a planet far away called DELUSION. . .!!! If Abercrombie doesn’t cough up anything, the number of us QUESTIONERS will get really higher, and like I said, I bet even some Obots finally get fed up with him. This was just too big a gamble for Ambercrombie to make without there already being a deal. You are just living in your on little world where actions and lack of actions don’t have consequences. No Long Form, no reelection. Which Obama has probably already lost by kissing Wall Streets rear end and not taxing the rich.Plus, people think the economy is recovering??? OMG! I have to hurry up my Squeekonomics stuff.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    That’s funny…. YOU talking about OTHER people being deluded, ROFLMAO. Well it’s a good thing I get my Irony Meters wholesale.

    AS far as numbers go, you BIRTHERS could triple in numbers and still be a fringe minority. Even so the number of birthers has not increased significantly even thought the empty conspiracy rhetoric has increased exponentially. I see no reason to think it will.

    perhaps it’s because that poll we mentioned before shows that 97.3% of you BIRTHERS have an IQ less than 70. That’s in the bottom 2% of the population, so there’s really not a lot of growth potential for the birther movement.

    And as for Obama’s politics and the economy, that’s not the subject of this blog, so it’s not relevant. Besides which, if I was to discuss economics with you, I’d have to type slow, and use small words, and I don’t have that much time to spare right now.

  482. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The REAL Art site isn’t mine. My stuff was just soooo good they let it be there!

    You don’t have any art there

  483. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    SqueekyFromm: See. If you read my Internet Articles you would just learn all kinds of things!!!

    Give us a break. We’ve only known about any of your articles for 5 days. Do you expect us to get through all that crap in such a short time without serious damage to our stomach linings?

  484. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Daniel:

    You are not going to trick me into telling you where it is. Please do not insult my intelligence. Plus, you will just have to wait and see on the Economy things because I have going to get Squeekonomics off the ground. I would have already done it but there was this FLURRY of Birther Activity, which needs another 2 Internet Articles at least.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  485. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:Since you are soooo good at counting, maybe you can count and see how many times in 2 days YOU have mentioned my website. I bet it is more than 4.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I don’t mention your website other than to tell you to stop talking about it

  486. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:You are not going to trick me into telling you where it is. Please do not insult my intelligence. Plus, you will just have to wait and see on the Economy things because I have going to get Squeekonomics off the ground. I would have already done it but there was this FLURRY of Birther Activity, which needs another 2 Internet Articles at least.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    In order for Daniel to insult your intelligence you would have to have some to begin with. Can you go a day without mentioning your “articles”

  487. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Please do not insult my intelligence.

    I cannot insult what you do not have.

  488. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Can you go a day without mentioning your “articles”

    Pretty amazing. In the 5 days since she first mentioned them, she’s just about gone off the rails flogging them.

  489. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The only time I have SHALLOW TOXIC relationships is when I let some grunty little malebeast into my life!!!

    Perhaps you should consider that the problem might be the type of males you associate with. Birther men aren’t exactly high up on the evolutionary ladder.

  490. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    You need to make some resolutions for New Years, because you know that I just gave you a Squeeky Smackdown when I said you should count how many times YOU have mentioned my websites. Because you have talked about it more than me. But then you want to pretend that what you do is different than what I do. Sooo, what we call this in my world, is a DOUBLE STANDARD!!! Which I don’t think any person “of import” would ever do! Next, you will be accusing me of name calling while pretending what you do is different.

    Sooo, here is what I suggest you resolute for yourself. “Don’t be so judgemental of other people and look more at yourself.”

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  491. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Poor Daniel didn’t even know I had a website, so that Dr. C. had to link a few of the times for him.

    You know as well as I do that those posts were edited to make it seem like you had mentioned your articles before the 25th of Dec.

    The fact that you and Doc are on opposite sides only proves that you had some blackmail on him to force him to edit the posts to support your lie.

  492. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:You need to make some resolutions for New Years, because you know that I just gave you a Squeeky Smackdown when I said you should count how many times YOU have mentioned my websites. Because you have talked about it more than me. But then you want to pretend that what you do is different than what I do. Sooo, what we call this in my world, is a DOUBLE STANDARD!!! Which I don’t think any person “of import” would ever do! Next, you will be accusing me of name calling while pretending what you do is different.Sooo, here is what I suggest you resolute for yourself. “Don’t be so judgemental of other people and look more at yourself.”Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You’re delusional. You haven’t smacked anyone unless you meant that you’ve smacked people with stupidity blinded them by your mental retardation. You have shown that you are an insult to people who actually have down’s syndrome. Everytime I’ve talked about it it was right after you mentioned it and I told you to stop trying to direct traffic over there. I could talk about it all day and still mention it 10 times less than you’ve done since you’ve been here. Like I said you can’t go a whole day without talking about it. There’s no double standard I’ve never spammed this site with links. You have.

  493. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, what we call this in my world, is a DOUBLE STANDARD!!!

    It’s too bad you don’t speak English…. in your little world. You use the same words, but with altogether different meanings, which also seem to change with the wind.

  494. Daniel says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Next, you will be accusing me of name calling while pretending what you do is different.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX52H_wOlQE

  495. Nbc says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Daniel:
    I cannot insult what you do not have.

    ROTFL… So true.

  496. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    I am watching Bob Fosse go through this same stuff on All That Jazz that I am, that nothing he ever does is good enough, when it really is. Well, I have decided to stay home and not risk the amplifiers yet. Plus, I am learning about All That Jazz, and Tom Waits who comes on laterwho has a very raspy voice and did some song really differently on a show I was watching, but I forget which movie it was. Plus, the fireworks are just freaking out Matilda.

    So, I will hit 2011 in a few hours and I hope that the New Year brings a better attitude on the part of you Obots!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  497. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I am watching Bob Fosse go through this same stuff on All That Jazz that I am, that nothing he ever does is good enough, when it really is. Well, I have decided to stay home and not risk the amplifiers yet. Plus,I am learning about All That Jazz, and Tom Waits who comes on laterwhohas a very raspy voice and did some song really differently on a show I was watching, but I forget which movie it was. Plus, the fireworks are just freaking out Matilda.So, I will hit 2011 in a few hours and I hope that the New Year brings a better attitude on the part of you Obots!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Still playing the victim? That was so 2009

  498. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    SqueekyFromm: The only time I have SHALLOW TOXIC relationships is when I let some grunty little malebeast into my life!!! Plus, I only point out my website when there is a RELEVANT TIMELY Internet Article on it!

    *sigh*. Squeeky, without getting too personal, how old are you, really? You don’t have to give an exact age – maybe just what decade you are in or what Generation you belong to.

    The reason that I ask is that you have a way of always using words that reflect very childishly on you such as “bumpy’ and “malebeasts” and stuff that honestly, my 10 year old niece who loves to be silly would consider to be ways of talking that would be too childish for her.

    Obviously, you must have had some bad experiences with one or more male figures in your past. But maybe instead of holding onto all your hates against men and Obama and creating enemies that you don’t need, you should simply accept that you encountered and dealt with some individuals who happened to be jerks and that the world is bigger than that and full of lots of decent folk of all sexes, races, viewpoints, etc. as well as dipwads and bad influences of all types too. Then just try to be a better judge of finding more positive influences in your life and let go of all the hate.

    I think its great that you have all those other hobbies and passions that you mentioned and I even think you’ve been doing a good thing for yourself trying to learn more about economics. But stop needing to hide behind acting childish, seeing sinister bogeymen around every corner out to get you and fake ego hyping cries for attention to “look at me” instead of just continuing to make step by step positive improvements in your life and hobbies.

  499. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    G:

    I am 26 now. Plus I just thought of the movie. It was Sea of Love, and Cat Power sings the song, so I watched the movie and Tom Waits sang it at the end. Plus I don’t do ego hyping. I just come on here sometimes and make good comments, then everybody starts calling me names, so I just fight back.

    Plus, thank you for telling me to go to bed the other night!!! It helped.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  500. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    December 31, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:I am 26 now. Plus I just thought of the movie. It was Sea of Love, and Cat Power sings the song, so I watched the movie and Tom Waits sang it at the end. Plus I don’t do ego hyping. I just come on here sometimes and make good comments, then everybody starts calling me names, so I just fight back.Plus, thank you for telling me to go to bed the other night!!! It helped.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    26? Jesus I would have probably shot myself if I sounded as uneducated and childish as you do at 26. Are you sure you didn’t just add 10 years onto your age?

  501. nbc says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    SqueekyFromm: So, I will hit 2011 in a few hours and I hope that the New Year brings a better attitude on the part of you Obots!!!

    May we see some similar maturity on your part. And please get a boy/girl friend.

  502. Sef says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): 26? Jesus I would have probably shot myself if I sounded as uneducated and childish as you do at 26. Are you sure you didn’t just add 10 years onto your age?

    Welcome to the brave new world that has been created by the dumbing-down of our education system.

  503. nbc says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Plus I don’t do ego hyping. I just come on here sometimes and make good comments, then everybody starts calling me names, so I just fight back.

    This is so ironic. You have an enormous ego: it’s all about you and yet you fail to recognize how most people consider you to be an immature whiny girl who lacks logic and reason.

    Sorry Squeeks, but you have no reason to complain.
    Perhaps you may consider an appropriate time to ‘grow up’?

  504. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    NBC:

    Just because I am not as old as some people does not mean that i don’t know when I am right about something. I have been telling you that Obama should cough up his long form, and you called me names. NOW, when a old-timer like Chris Matthews says it too, and Abracrombie who is old too, NOW what excuse are you going to use??? Huh???

    Because you can’t have it both ways. Like I said, the word for me is VINDICATED. The word for you Obots who didn’t think he should cough it up is WRONG!!! And do like like Dr. Ken and try to say that Chris Matthews isn’t calling for it, because I CAN READ!!!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  505. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:I am 26 now. Plus I just thought of the movie. It was Sea of Love, and Cat Power sings the song, so I watched the movie and Tom Waits sang it at the end. Plus I don’t do ego hyping. I just come on here sometimes and make good comments, then everybody starts calling me names, so I just fight back.Plus, thank you for telling me to go to bed the other night!!! It helped.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You’re welcome, Squeeky. Whether you are just a “persona” created by someone for kicks, as others seem to think and playing games with your posts and posting style or are honest in parts about who you are, how you think and what your passions are, there is still a human being behind all of that and I recognize that. I may view the world very differently from you and disagree with most of what you say and how you say it and with what seems to motivate you as a PUMA and Birther and what not… but I don’t let those things stop me from trying to be fair or kind when opportunity allows and although I’ll look at the world with a critical or skeptical eye, I’ll still retain hope that within all the banter and repartee from you, that there is a level of truth and realness to your responses.

    I don’t feel that I attack you when I post responses, just criticize and sometimes strongly. But I still do such with sincere and honest responses to you, whether you are just playing games here with us or not and will offer encouragement and acknowledgment when appropriate. Although your manner of posting is unusual and frequently comes off less than serious, I try to remain serious and explain things as I really see them in response.

    Whether any of it makes a difference or gets through to whoever is on the other side of that keyboard, all I can do is try.

    I’ve dealt with a lot of different birther posters over the years here and other places. Some seem to be truly vile, trollishly offensive, brazenly bigoted, clear con artists and/or merely boorishly repetitive to the extreme. Ones like that, well, they usually quickly earn utter disdain from me and I have no bad feelings going after them harshly and writing them off.

    Others, such as yourself may frustrate me at times or cause me to roll my eyes frequently, but I don’t mind responding in an open and at least from my part, sincere dialog.

    In summary, we all get jaded in life and you never know who is really on the other side of the keyboard or how sincere or straightforward they are being, but I want you to know, whoever you are, I truly have no ill will against you and am actually pleased and relieved to hear that your health is ok and although I am aware that the stuff you say could just be an elaborate game and persona, I also remain open to trying to take you at your word where it seems possible. I try to refrain from calling you names and to stay out of the more personal back & forth attacks between you and other posters. How you and they relate to each other is between you and them. So far, I don’t feel you’ve ever really attacked me, so my posts might come across kinder because you haven’t given me any real reasons not to be kind to you when I can. I hope that continues.

    Sincere Happy New Years wishes to you and wishes for you to focus on staying in good health, pursuing those artistic hobbies of yours that make you happy and honest encouragement for you to keep an open mind to broadening your perspective, including reassessing your viewpoints as you learn and gain additional fact-based information.

  506. SqueekyFromm says:
    December 31, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    G:

    Thank you! You have a Happy New Year’s too! Mine will be busy. I have a whole lot of things to write, plus do on the websites. Plus resolutions, too. One goal I have is to get at least one youtube of me singing and playing guitar this year! Plus, to keep pounding away on Obots! (LOL!)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  507. Joey says:
    December 31, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:Yes, I would vote for Sarah Palin unless she was running against Hillary Clinton. Joey:I did a Internet Article on Gov. Lingle which examined the legal aspects of her statements. http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/05/objection-hearsay.htmlSee. If you read my Internet Articles you would just learn all kinds of things!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    If Governor Lingle and Director Fukino were ever subpoenaed to testify in an Obama eligibility lawsuit, Governor Lingle would be able to testify under oath to what Dr. Fukino said to her about Barack Obama’s original birth certificate listing Kapiolani Medical Center as his birth hospital. That would not be hearsay since Dr. Fukino can verify that she actually said those words to the Governor
    Since Governor Lingle mentioned the birth hospital in a radio interview, there is no hearsay rule. She has every right to state what was said to her by the state official who was charged with overseeing all vital records in the state of Hawaii.
    So your statement on your blog is factually incorrect but since it is a blog entry, you are entitled to your opinion but your opinion is not based in fact.

  508. G says:
    December 31, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    SqueekyFromm: G:Thank you! You have a Happy New Year’s too! Mine will be busy. I have a whole lot of things to write, plus do on the websites. Plus resolutions, too. One goal I have is to get at least one youtube of me singing and playing guitar this year! Plus, to keep pounding away on Obots! (LOL!)Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Thanks! Good luck with the stuff, resolutions, hobbies & projects. If you make that youtube song, I will watch it. Busy weekend planned here too. Some of it unfortunately will be dealing with work related stuff and then too much post holiday catch up stuff around the house and run errands. Other than sleeping in, I’ll probably only take down time to do the usual goof around on the computer when I take breaks and hopefully watch the Penn State game tomorrow. My New Years resolution pretty much consists of making a long to-do list of all the home projects and personal projects I’ve been meaning to get to (some for years) and try to see what I can knock out. As it is winter season here in Ohio, nearly all many outside projects I want to tackle will have to wait until at least April or May. Oh well, at least that should give me some lead time to plan and budget for them…

  509. nbc says:
    January 1, 2011 at 12:15 am

    SqueekyFromm: Just because I am not as old as some people does not mean that i don’t know when I am right about something.

    You have indeed no problem with internal consistency as you avoid looking at fact, data and evidence. Instead you are pointing out some irrelevant observations about people not believing that Obama is born on US soil, despite of the factual evidence to support this.
    I pointed out that despite strong scientific evidence, people still consider evolution to be a fiction.
    Ignorance should have no relevance to our policies and if Obama wants to re-release his birth certificate, he should wait until closer to the elections when people have made further fools of themselves in pursuing this non-issue.

    You do great when you get to ignore the facts, logic and reason. But internal consistency means nothing when it conflicts with the external world.

  510. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    January 1, 2011 at 12:25 am

    SqueekyFromm: One goal I have is to get at least one youtube of me singing and playing guitar this year! Plus, to keep pounding away on Obots! (LOL!)

    Hey, did I ever tell you about MY song?

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/me-and-leo-down-by-the-court-yard/

  511. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Dr. C:

    That is very good!!! I didn’t know you liked to write songs too. I have already written one song “Squeeky’s Boogie” by accident because my finger went in the wrong place. Happy New Years to you!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  512. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    January 1, 2011 at 1:58 am

    SqueekyFrommPlus I don’t do ego hyping

    This is an even bigger lie than when Sally Hill comes in here and claims she’s not a birther. You haven’t gone one day yet at Dr C’s site where you refrained from talking about yourself, your writings, you being a victim etc. Most of your posts are about stoking your own ego

  513. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    January 1, 2011 at 2:01 am

    SqueekyFromm: NBC:Just because I am not as old as some people does not mean that i don’t know when I am right about something. I have been telling you that Obama should cough up his long form, and you called me names. NOW, when a old-timer like Chris Matthews says it too, and Abracrombie who is old too, NOW what excuse are you going to use??? Huh???Because you can’t have it both ways. Like I said, the word for me is VINDICATED. The word for you Obots who didn’t think he should cough it up is WRONG!!! And do like like Dr. Ken and try to say that Chris Matthews isn’t calling for it, because I CAN READ!!!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    No you just show you don’t know when you’re wrong. You’ve been wrong in quite a lot of what you posted. Abercrombie didn’t say anything about coughing up a long form. Matthews mentioned it as a segue-way into a response from one of his guests. As usual you get the motive wrong, you get the reasons wrong and you still look like an ignoramus when you gloat about it. You can’t read and you don’t listen.

  514. Daniel says:
    January 1, 2011 at 4:06 am

    SqueekyFromm: Just because I am not as old as some people does not mean that i don’t know when I am right about something.

    Lots of people, throughout history, have “known” they were right about something, and been completely wrong about it.

    “Knowing” has never been a particularly good measure of truth.

  515. Daniel says:
    January 1, 2011 at 4:09 am

    SqueekyFromm: because I CAN READ!!!

    You may be able to read, but that is not the problem. The problem is that you cannot, or will not, comprehend what you read.

  516. Daniel says:
    January 1, 2011 at 4:11 am

    SqueekyFromm: One goal I have is to get at least one youtube of me singing and playing guitar this year!

    If you do, please do let us know where it is. I’d like to have the opportunity to say something nice about you.

  517. Expelliarmus says:
    January 1, 2011 at 5:20 am

    Joey: If Governor Lingle and Director Fukino were ever subpoenaed to testify in an Obama eligibility lawsuit, Governor Lingle would be able to testify under oath to what Dr. Fukino said to her about Barack Obama’s original birth certificate listing Kapiolani Medical Center as his birth hospital. That would not be hearsay since Dr. Fukino can verify that she actually said those words to the Governor

    That’s not how the hearsay rule works, actually. Lingle’s statement about what Dr. Fukino said would be hearsay and would not be admissible in court. If Dr. Fukino was called to testify and asked what was on the birth certificate, that would also be hearsay. The only admissible thing would be the document itself — that is, someone would have to subpena the document (or a certified copy) into court, and the only person who could testify about the document would be the custodian of records, who would testify as to the manner of keeping and production of the document, not its contents. The document speaks for itself.

  518. Bovril says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:45 am

    @Expelliarmus,

    I believe in the case of Dr Fukino, as the (then) official custodian of records, her testimony, if sworn, would not have counted as heresay.

    In fact she made the statement as to overall content, when sworn under oath, as part of the debates on the “vexatious” law proceedings.

  519. Joey says:
    January 1, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Bovril: @Expelliarmus,I believe in the case of Dr Fukino, as the (then) official custodian of records, her testimony, if sworn, would not have counted as heresay.In fact she made the statement as to overall content, when sworn under oath, as part of the debates on the “vexatious” law proceedings.

    And Governor Lingle would be allowed to say under oath what Dr. Fukino said to her when she reported back.
    The Governor’s words in a radio interview: “…and so I had my Director of Health, who is a physician by background, go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time…”
    The Governor can confirm those events and Dr. Fukino can testify as to what she reported back to the Governor.
    It would be left to the judge/jury to assess the credibility and veracity of their sworn statements.

  520. Judge Mental says:
    January 1, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Bovril: @Expelliarmus,I believe in the case of Dr Fukino, as the (then) official custodian of records, her testimony, if sworn, would not have counted as heresay.In fact she made the statement as to overall content, when sworn under oath, as part of the debates on the “vexatious” law proceedings.

    Do the circumstances surrounding Ukino making a statement about the COLB under oath during Hawaii state deliberations and the validity that the state could or would then give such a statement really have any significant relevance to how a court of law hearing an Obama eligibility lawsuit would view any of the hearsay or admissability aspects of such evidence?

  521. Bovril says:
    January 1, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    I provided an example of where the official custodian of records provided a sworn statement, regarding the overarching content of the vital records, under oath that was accepted as not hearsay.

    This statement would have some precedencial value although as Dr Fukino is no longer said custodian SUBSEQUENT statements by her would not hold the same weight.

    How a court will decide to accept the recorded sworn statement is one matter, any sworn statements by the CURRENT official custodian of records would presumaby carry the same non hearsay weight as the original sworn statemment of Dr Fukino.

    If you want surety I would recommend paying a lawyer for advice as advice from the Internet is worth exactly what is paid for it….

  522. Joey says:
    January 1, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Judge Mental: Do the circumstances surrounding Ukino making a statement about the COLB under oath during Hawaii state deliberations and the validity that the state could or would then give such a statement really have any significant relevance to how a court of law hearing an Obama eligibility lawsuit would view any of the hearsay or admissability aspects of such evidence?

    Governor Lingle, Dr. Fukino and Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka can all be called to testify as to what they saw and what they said to each other regarding Obama’s long form, vault copy, birth certificate.
    Any skillful attorney can lead their questioning to avoid hearsay.

  523. Judge Mental says:
    January 1, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Understood. Thanks all.

  524. Expelliarmus says:
    January 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Bovril: I believe in the case of Dr Fukino, as the (then) official custodian of records, her testimony, if sworn, would not have counted as heresay.

    It is “hearsay” – not “heresay”. Dr. Fukino is no longer the official custodian of the records. Therefore she could not be called into court in the future to testify as to the content of the records.

    In fact she made the statement as to overall content, when sworn under oath, as part of the debates on the “vexatious” law proceedings.

    She made the statement in the context of a legislative hearing, where the hearsay rule does not apply. Anybody can “testify” as to just about anything when called before the legislature — unlike a court of law, assertions do not have to be made on personal knowledge.

    The fact that there was a previous recorded sworn statement does not change the nature of the statement. The transcript of her testimony could be admitted in narrow circumstances, under an exception to the hearsay rule, but only if she herself were unavailable to testify, or the transcript was being used to contradict something she were testifying to in a future proceeding; and only the non-hearsay portions of whatever she said.

    What makes it hearsay is the purpose for which it is offered, and the inference sought to be drawn. If the reason the statement is made in court is to demonstrate that the name of the hospital where Obama was born without producing the actual certificate, then it would be hearsay (“A statement made out of court that is offered in court as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted.”)

  525. Expelliarmus says:
    January 1, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Joey: And Governor Lingle would be allowed to say under oath what Dr. Fukino said to her when she reported back.

    For what purpose? Unless it is a lawsuit wholly unrelated to the eligibility issue — such as an action for defamation or a prosecution for perjury — Dr. Fukino’s out-of-court statement to Governor Lingle is hearsay no matter who is testifying.

    The Governor’s words in a radio interview: “…and so I had my Director of Health, who is a physician by background, go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time…”
    The Governor can confirm those events and Dr. Fukino can testify as to what she reported back to the Governor.

    What would be the relevance? What type of court proceeding would you expect that testimony to be produced? What would be the issue that such testimony would related to?

  526. Expelliarmus says:
    January 1, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Joey: Governor Lingle, Dr. Fukino and Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka can all be called to testify as to what they saw and what they said to each other regarding Obama’s long form, vault copy, birth certificate.

    Joey, under what possible circumstances could such testimony be relevant in a court of law? Are you supposing that a lawsuit is brought against one of them for dereliction of duty now that at least two of them are out of office?

    “What they said” is still hearsay, no matter how many times they said it and to whom.

  527. Daniel says:
    January 1, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “Hearsay” is not always inadmissable

  528. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    I think Expelliarmus is right! It is hearsay. Plus, what Gov. Lingle was getting beat up about, besides just being a Woman, was that she was lying about what the documents said. Which this wasn’t in court, but how can you lie about what is on a document if you have never seen the document??? You could lie about whether you saw it or not, but when you come right out and say you never saw it, somebody else supposedly did, then you can’t lie about what it said because you never saw it and you have already told people that.

    Sooo only really stupid people would take your word for something being true when you admit you have never seen the document. Oh, I just wonder where I have heard people say that, that the COLB is true because of what Gov. Lingle said??? Oh my memory is just soooo bad sometimes! I really wish I could remember where I heard that! (LOL!!!)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  529. Sef says:
    January 1, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Oh my memory is just soooo bad sometimes

    You should cut out the hard stuff, Squeegy, You might need a liver transplant someday. The hard stuff is only for people who can afford to waste a few brain cells.

  530. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    January 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I think Expelliarmus is right! It is hearsay. Plus, what Gov. Lingle was getting beat up about, besides just being a Woman, was that she was lying about what the documents said. Which this wasn’t in court, but how can you lie about what is on a document if you have never seen the document??? You could lie about whether you saw it or not, but when you come right out and say you never saw it, somebody else supposedly did, then you can’t lie about what it said because you never saw it and you have already told people that.
    Sooo only really stupid people would take your word for something being true when you admit you have never seen the document. Oh, I just wonder where I have heard people say that, that the COLB is true because of what Gov. Lingle said??? Oh my memory is just soooo bad sometimes! I really wish I could remember where I heard that! (LOL!!!)Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    It must be because the guitar amp reverberations shorted something out in your brain. What exactly did Lingle lie about on the documents now? Last I checked Lingle wasn’t charged with the keeping of the vital records like Dr. Fukino was and did not have any direct knowledge.

  531. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Dr. Ken Waternoise:

    You did not read what I said very good. You need to re-read it, plus the Internet Article you just hate hearing about.

    Plus, to slartibart: I kept my word and did the Occam’s Razor (golfclub) Internet Article just like I promised above! I think this is one of my BEST Internet Articles ever and a good way to start the Happy New Year!!!

    http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-demonization-of-birthers-or-how-the-obots-dull-occams-razor/

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  532. Daniel says:
    January 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    SqueekyFromm: I think this is one of my BEST Internet Articles ever

    The best of a pile of manure…. is still manure.

  533. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Daniel: Well maybe if I can get through to Rome I can have you canonized as Saint Sarcastus!!! Because I took the time to look up the Occam’s Razor stuff just like I promised, and plus you are just soooo mad because more newspapers are supporting Neil Abercrombie which means I was right and all you Obots were wrong!!! ITYS!!! Common sense is just what I said it is, to release the documents!!! NOT what you all said.

    Plus, that was a very good Internet Article and very well thought out, because I thought it all out myself.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  534. G says:
    January 1, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken Waternoise:You did not read what I said very good. You need to re-read it, plus the Internet Article you just hate hearing about.
    Plus, to slartibart: I kept my word and did the Occam’s Razor (golfclub) Internet Article just like I promised above! I think this is one of my BEST Internet Articles ever and a good way to start the Happy New Year!!!http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-demonization-of-birthers-or-how-the-obots-dull-occams-razor/Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Squeeky –

    Well, I wasted my time reading your article. Sadly, everything you write starts with your pre-conceived conclusions and then you try to fit everything you find to fit it and then pat yourself on the back, not even realizing that all you do is sadly misapply nearly everything you are either told or try to learn.

    That was an utter failure of applying Occam’s Razor to reach a logical conclusion. The problem with you and many birthers like you is you consistently fail to be able to apply logic or work information forward, as you are supposed to and instead try to form your starting questions to support your preconceived conclusions, instead of openly looking for real answers.

    This is exactly you doing the same thing that you did with the KISS theory – which even you in your earlier postings knows darn well stands for “Keep It Simple Stupid”. Basically same point that Occam’s Razor being used as an example is supposed to get through to you. But when we point out your flaws in accepting the simplest and most straightforward answers… you can’t handle them, because they don’t support your preconceived need to view Obama as “guilty” of something. So you twist it and change the KISS acronym to now make it stand for 4 “guilty” reasons…where the only options of answers to those questions are those you predetermined. Therefore, no facts or reality or release of actual evidence or information can ever satisfy you, if they fall outside your predetermined set limits of “guilty”.

    …In other words, what you people do is the equivalent of asking someone off the street the question of “When did you stop beating your wife?”. It is a false setup question based on a false premise, with no satisfying answer to that question that doesn’t imply guilt.

    So, stop patting yourself on the back for writing an article that fails at all proper applications of logic and reason. What you wrote is pure rubbish.

    The only part of your article premise that is valid is that in general, there are 2 main camp arguments of birthers out there (those that claim he is born somewhere else and those that push the de Vatel nonsense)

    Although if you would be honest with yourself – their base reasons for being brithers are really the same thing and none of birtherism is really an argument about his birth certificate, the law, the Constitution or anything else. It is simply trying to come up with excuses to justify your own visceral needs to want to de-legitimize Obama.

    Every bit of the rest of your article is a twisted projection of your own preconceived need to view the world onto others. From your very title “the demonization of birthers” to your need to try come up with more innocent sounding titles for birthers as “questioners” and “legal” birthers shows that the desperate need to perceive your cause as “saintly” is all your own.

    There is no clever canonization attempts by the rest of us against you birthers, as you wish to portray it…and no “slick campaign” against you birthers.

    Your arguments are no better an no more legitimate than someone trying to persuade me that the moon is made of green cheese. There are no two sides to arguments when one position is complete nonsense.

    Therefore, you all merely get mocked and derided because you say nutty stuff or spread outright falsehoods and get rightly called out on it.

    There is no point going through all the specifics in your article and pointing out everything you’ve gotten wrong, because we’ve already pointed out where you are wrong on all those issues over and over again on this forum.

    So, talking to you is becoming pointless. You are blind and deaf to any reality or answers that don’t fit your pre-conceived need to assume “guilty” and view yourself as some innocent martyr instead of a misguided emotional fool.

  535. Sef says:
    January 1, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Common sense is just what I said it is, to release the documents

    One sright plobrem. The release of any of President Obama’s birth records will not provide any information which we do not already possess. I think Shakespeare wrote a play with a title which describes this exactly: “Much Ado About Nothing”

  536. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    G:

    First, Happy New Years!!!

    Now, here is some of the places where you are wrong. First, there is NO copyright on what KISS stands for unless it is the rock band. Sooo, if I want a simple way to present the reasons, then it is legal. Plus the “pre-conceived” reasons are NOT all bad except the way which I explain them which is just the TRUTH!

    For example, where I say SNOBBY, Obama thinks people are too stupid to believe the real document is the EXACT SAME THING as you Obots say all the time but you just lack the courage to call it what it is, which is SNOBBY elitist crap!!! Look back over this thread and this website and see how many place where you Obots just patronize us, and act like we don’t have enough sense to believe real documents, when Obama has never released any documents to us (the PUBLIC.) OH, does the word “snobby” offend you???

    Then live with it because that is exactly what that attitude is. The truth just hurts you!!!

    Now take SLIMY which is where I say Obama uses Birthers and the controversy to make political points. You Obots here BRAG about it. Of course, you don’t call it SLIMY, because that has a bad odor to it. You prefer to call it “politically smart” or whatever. The point is, SLIMY is what it is because Obama is supposed to be the president of everybody.

    You just don’t like somebody calling it what it is. Maybe there is a reason, and the reason is you just do like what I said in my very good Internet Article and like to canonize yourselves to make yourselves feel good about yourselves.

    Plus, the Occams Razor part is just DEAD ON ACCURATE!!! The simple answer to a question of where somebody is born is to produce the documents into PUBLIC. This is such a simple and smart answer that right here on this very website there is now a article about more newspapers calling for it and supporting Abercrombie.

    It is just not as much fun for you Obots as making yourselves feel smart by poking fun at other people. Sooo, rather than just go with the simple answer, you go off into racism, and craziness, and unpatrioticness, and all sorts of stuff rather than just admit that Obama ought to cough it up and put a end to this,

    So no, you didn’t waste your time by reading my article. You are just wasting your time by ignoring it.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  537. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken Waternoise:You did not read what I said very good. You need to re-read it, plus the Internet Article you just hate hearing about.
    Plus, to slartibart: I kept my word and did the Occam’s Razor (golfclub) Internet Article just like I promised above! I think this is one of my BEST Internet Articles ever and a good way to start the Happy New Year!!!http://squeekyfromm.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-demonization-of-birthers-or-how-the-obots-dull-occams-razor/Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I didn’t read what you said very good? Don’t you mean very well? Doc she is clearly trolling and trying to use your site as a springboard for her site. There hasn’t been a day that has gone by that she hasn’t posted a link to her site. It is hackery and it really lowers the dialog here.

  538. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    If anybody is lowering the dialog, it is YOU who don’t read stuff either good or well. How in the world did you come up with this out of what I wrote???:

    “What exactly did Lingle lie about on the documents now?”

    Sooo, if you want to be somebody “of import”, perhaps you should put your champagne glass and caviar down and actually read the thing first!

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  539. Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Ken:If anybody is lowering the dialog, it is YOU who don’t read stuff either good or well. How in the world did you come up with this out of what I wrote???:“What exactly did Lingle lie about on the documents now?”Sooo, if you want to be somebody “of import”, perhaps you should put your champagne glass and caviar down and actually read the thing first!So There!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Who don’t read stuff? Is english your native language kid? You didn’t answer my question about Lingle

  540. nbc says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    SqueekyFromm: “What exactly did Lingle lie about on the documents now?”

    Still avoiding a response? Figures… Facts, combined with reason and logic clearly contradict such a position. Which is why Squeeks will avoid.

  541. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Dr. Ken:

    I never said that, which is why I didn’t answer it. If you would break your self-imposed rule about not reading things you don’t agree with, then you would know that. My return question to you about “How in the world you came up with that out of what I wrote???” should have communicated that thought to you, that I didn’t say it.

    I am not trying to be mean to you, but please try to keep up.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  542. nbc says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    G: Well, I wasted my time reading your article. Sadly, everything you write starts with your pre-conceived conclusions and then you try to fit everything you find to fit it and then pat yourself on the back, not even realizing that all you do is sadly misapply nearly everything you are either told or try to learn.

    That’s squeeks for yah. Facts logic and reason have to be abandoned to match her preconceptions.

  543. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    NBC:

    This is a interesting accusation:

    “Sadly, everything you write starts with your pre-conceived conclusions and then you try to fit everything you find to fit it and then pat yourself on the back, not even realizing that all you do is sadly misapply nearly everything you are either told or try to learn.”

    Do you want to see some examples of that??? And not have to travel very far to do it??? How about you just pop over to some of the other threads here, like the ones where Abercrombie and Matthews call for the birth certificate. Read you Obot’s responses.

    You can see some pre-conceived notions, and back slapping and even some mis-application. This stuff is soooo shocking to you Obots, Dr. Ken is even having psychotic breaks where he says it is all just “rhetorical.”

    So, yes that is a happy accusation. It is what I see you Obots doing all the time.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  544. G says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Squeeky –

    Quit trying to turn things into something they are not. For one, the points against your use of “KISS” have nothing to do with copyright.

    I pointed out that you darn well were originally using the standard Keep It Simple Stupid use of the term. Your own posts say that.

    Are you trying to deny your own words? Are you going to bold faced l.i.e. to me on this or admit that yes, you fully knew and used that other meaning BEFORE you claimed your new acronym for the term.

    You didn’t come up with the new acronym until your old KISS theory got torn apart for the same reason your misuse of Occam’s Razor get’s torn apart – you misapply it completely as you refuse to actually deal with what the SIMPLE and STRAIGHTFORWARD answers are.

    First of all, the real question you are trying to answer would be un-biasely phrased like this:

    “Why doesn’t Obama provide his birth certificate to answer questions on where he was born?”

    That is the actual question you birthers claim to want to know. That is the whole premise behind why ANY birth certificate proof would be needed.

    And, under the actual KISS theory or Occam’s Razor – here is the simplest and most straightforward answer:

    HE ALREADY DID.

    Birth certificate requests from the state of HI result in a COLB being issued. Obama’s campaign requested said document at the beginning of the campaign in 2007 and then when some media questions came up about it in spring 2008, they campaign decided to release it to the public on their website. The COLB clearly states the DATE and PLACE OF BIRTH – born in 1961 in HONOLULU, HI. That proves he is over 35 years of age and born in the USA.

    Subsequently to that, the birth announcements saying the same thing were found in 2 local HI newspapers from that time frame and and the DOH officials in HI in charge of such records made repeated statements in support of that document.

    Therefore, the SIMPLEST and most LOGICAL and STRAIGHTFORWARD explanation is that he is who he says he is and the document is what it reports to be as all official statements and actual sources of evidence CORROBORATE that same result.

    Therefore, applying actual KISS or Occam’s Razor properly, the question has a simple answer that addresses the actual question of eligibility sufficiently and requires no further extraneous documentation.

    All your new “KISS” theory does is come up with acronyms for pre-conceived biased opinions on WHY WON’T HE RELEASE MORE? that ALL assume sinister guilt.

    When the simplest and straightforward to that question, if unbiasedly asked, if you want to use cutesy acronyms would either be the letter A or N:

    A = Already provided birth certificate that answered the questions of place and date of birth.

    and

    N = No further documentation is required nor necessary and no evidence has ever turned up that contradicts the answers already provided by the COLB.

  545. SqueekyFromm says:
    January 1, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    G:

    First, if you really knew anything about Occam’s Razor, you would know that it is not a SCIENTIFIC proof of anything, just more of a mindset. It can be applied anywhere along a line of thought. I read the whole wiki thing THREE TIMES!!!

    To have a “pre-conceived” idea, is kind of hard when you provide somebody with a RANGE of possible answers, including answers provided by the other side. Which I did. You just don’t like the way I characterized the answers, because maybe you want to be though of as politically “savvy”, not SLIMY???

    Plus, NO Obot has yet done the simple thing I have requested which is a list of evidence provided by Obama about where he was born, to whom it was provided, and if you are real industrious, the date!

    You know why??? YOU OBOTS ARE SCARED!!! Because it is only one document, and it was given to that group, back maybe on July 13, 2008. That is it. One piece of paper to some special group over 2 1/2 years ago.

    So while you Obots jump and scream about everything that was provided, there really wasn’t very much given, and since hten there has been a refusal to cough up anything. Then all you little obots, with YOUR pre-conceived ideas blabber on about nothing in the world would ever convince us!!! OH what a TOTALLY LAUGHABLE idea!!! Obama hasn’t coughed up but one piece of paper and that wasn’t to the PUBLIC.

    That is why I laugh at you Obots the same way you laugh at Birthers. Because I see you doing the same things and worse, than what you accuse them of!!! But your little Obot games will probably be coming to a end on the WHERE stuff (not the LEGAL stuff) because more and more people are going to call for the birth certificate, like should have been done over two years ago.

    Hopefully, the rest of the Birthers will listen to me and move on to WHY.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  546. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    January 1, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I seems rather absurd for YOU, Squeeky, to tell ME that I’m “SCARED.” I know a lot more about own state of mind than you could ever begin to know. But if you really think you know such things, then I understand where you get some of the other crazy stuff you write. You can’t tell imagination from reality.

  547. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    January 1, 2011 at 10:38 pm

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