Made in the Media shirt (click to order)
It is pure wishful thinking to believe that the Obama denialists will ever go away quietly. No, it’s always something new, case in point a t-shirt answer to the Obama Made in the USA shirt. The shirt, from Obama Release Your Records, features a morphed Obama/Frankenstein image captioned:
MADE in the MEDIA
Fake Birth Certificate
Fake Personal History
Fake President
There are also available fake long form birth certificate mugs and t-shirts. It’s a shame to see creativity channeled for evil purposes.
This article introduces a new blog category: Birther Merchandising.
Obama Release Your Records is probably the sickest site out there, they are touting the deceased baby girl that Obama stole BC number from. Certainly, a day old Obama wandered over and stole the BC number. That is sick, really sick. Absolutely no respect for the bereaved mother. Sick!
The birthers don’t even know how identity theft works if they believe that stealing the birth cert. number would accomplish anything.
We know birthers will believe anything bad about Obama, no matter how ridiculous or improbable.
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We know birthers will believe anything bad about Obama, no matter how ridiculous or improbable.
If they decide that a single claim about Obama might not be true, that opens the door to doubt, and the possibility that other claims about Obama might not be true.
Nope, safer just to believe them all.
I recall that Orly did something similar. She was trying to get a birth certificate for a Maryland child named Obama who died in infancy.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5232
One commenter back in 2009 said:
On average 2,251 Americans will meet this criteria.
and another said:
That one is easy. Most infants have social-security numbers. The vast majority of parents check a box on the birth registration form that automatically requests the number form the SSA. Parents need it to file with their federal income tax forms in order to claim the child as a dependent.
Birthers have a penchant for attaching significance to the most insignificant things. Of course, the chances of being born in Halloween and dying on Christmas are no greater or less than the chances of being born on the 4th of July and dying on New Year’s Day.
I don’t know if there are statistics which show that people are more likely to die in one month of the year than others, but apart from I would expect that the odds of being born and dying on any combination of dates would be the same. Of course, if someone was born on February 29th and also died on February 29th, that would qualify as unusual.
“I recall that Orly did something similar”
yes, with the same infant Virginia Sunahara
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Orly = a request for a certified copy of the long form BC for Virginia Sunahara was sent to Loretta Fuddy, director of HI dep of health
Orly is convinced that this deceased girls BC number was used by Obama. She even called the 83 yr old Mother of the deceased child(who gave no info and hung up). She told the mother that her help can get a traitor out of the white house. This is really sick, if any of you are California lawyers please report this, Orly needs to be disbarred
Orly proudly posted this insane request here:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=22412&cpage=1#comment-38809
FYI
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/attention-whores-moles-and-morethe-thief/
A comment about Corsi (who said he would address the matter)
LOL – APPARENTLY his way of ADDRESSING it is to have a staffer google it it and then link to the work done by others. Pfffft. Didn’t even give us a kiss first.
We had the discussion about going public with this on Fri. morn. I was leaving to go to Baltimore (to greet Terry Lakin) early Fri. afternoon, and not being able to take the laptop, had to wait till Sun. morn to catch up.. WHOA.
That’s when we put the images up, etc. We had tried so hard to be careful and to be respectful of the family, but it was leaked and getting weird out there. The P&E ran the article/summary on Fri – I got the images up on Sun.
I was stunned to hear that man mention Virginia’s name on the show today. Betting WND called the momma an hour after they read the P&E article………..huh?
What a load of bull shirt.
And that’s how they built there conspiracy theory. Actually, if sane people tried to do the same thing on purpose (e.g. simply because they want Obama out of office and use the birther ideas as a means to an end), they would have given up on some of the sillier claims on the way in favour of a consistent and still remotely credible overall picture.
*oops* “Their”, not “there”. I’m starting to write like a birther… 🙁
CHARO, That FYI link was unbelievable, what a bunch of sick people,a child who died after a fews days of life happened to,be born on same day as Obama, man these are really sick people, pictures of the child’s grave. This goes deeper than the rabbit hole. Obama must have used this childs bc – that is sick!
Then I guess you are nor aware of another conspiracy? It starts with Bill Ayers’ Fugitve Days passage (alleged for me because I have never read the book):
After the Baltimore fiasco, stealing ID was forbidden. Instead we began to build ID sets around documents as flimsy as a fishing license or a laminated card available in a Times Square novelty shop called “Official ID.” We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart, and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates. I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota,searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955. The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificates—available to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paper—but they had never applied for a Social Security card.
Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred. For years I was a paper-made Joseph Brown, and then an Anthony Lee, remarkably durable identities. My on-paper official residences: a transient hotel in San Francisco and a warehouse in New York.
Maybe you are familiar with the conspiracy of Bill Ayers and Obama’s relationship? I haven’t always read this blog, and I am too lazy to read through and find where it was likely addressed.
The alleged passage ends at warehouse in New York.
Charo – Normally in ID theft you take on the ID of a deceased person, since Obama is not known as Virginia Sunahara, we can rule out ID theft. But he stole her number says the numbskull, sure a one day old Obama stole the number. Both Orly and Corsi are touting this ridiculous story. These people are SICK, possible drug addicted. The largest number of padded cells are in BirfirStan. (for rent or puchase)
Look, I don’t know the personal thoughts of anyone, only what is posted. President Obama didn’t actually get a card until he was older. The reason for someone alleging he got a false number later in life? I don’t know.
“didn’t actually get a card until he was older”
what card? do you mean draft registration? They are not discussing a card, tthey are talking about Obama stole the Birth Certificate number of the dead girl
do you agree with that bit of crap? Are you an AfterBirther?
I might be mixing up two theories. Ladysforest’s site is investigating the birth certificate. The social security issue is raised other places. The common theme is the belief of a using (I should say possible in referring to “my very own point of view” because no conclusion is given) of the identity of a deceased person for “false purposes.”
Charo says “…identity of a deceased person for “false purposes.”
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Yes, taking on the Identity of a deceased person is Identity theft
I will type slowly so you can understand:
As Obama i s not named Virginia Sunahara, it is not Identity theft. He did not take her identity, the claim is he just took her BC number, Back in 1961 little Obama snuck in and stole the girl’s BC number. Either that or Hawaii stole it.
Got it?
President Obama has been filing taxes with the same social security number for years. You seemed appalled at the idea of the idea of using dead children in a conspiracy when the conspiracy theorists came up with the idea by reading the (alleged) passage from Bill Ayers.
I doubt if the accusation is that baby Obama stole a birth certificate number. I believe the possible allegation (from what I understand because it is not my allegation) is that there was a delayed birth registration or adoption or something that Obama didn’t want to come out so a COLB was generated using the number of deceased baby born on August 4 and that is the reason for the sequencing of the numbers. This wasn’t done at birth but at the time of the generation of the COLB.
That is my understanding of the theory.
appalled at the idea of the idea of using dead children
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and your not, wow.
these idiots called the 83 yr old mother for a copy of the BC, so they can show it’s the same number as Obama. How do they know that, she was born on same day plus they pulled out of their rears. For now I classify you as a concern troll.
I never said I wasn’t appalled. ARe you appalled at Bill Ayers (if he did write the passage)? I am appalled at how anyone is placed in the limelight over a tragedy. I don’t know how the information came about that the little girl had the same birth date as Obama. I was gathering that someone did some kind of research when it came to be known what Ayers allegedly said and applied it to the birth certificate situation.
who cares what Ayers said ? Causing an 83 yr old mother to revisit a terrible personal tragegy is appalling and has nothing to do with Ayers, I beginning to think you are a sick afterbirther. Lying is birther trait one, birther trait two is harrassing innocent peole. Go jon them, that’s probaly you kind of place
The hole in that theory is the publication of DOH-released birth records of Obama in 2 Hawaiian newspapers back in August 1961. So it is established, beyond doubt, that there was a record of the birth of a son to “Mr. Barack H Obama”, on August 4, 1961, with a certificate having been filed within a few days thereafter (in time for printing in the newspaper concurrently with other births from the same time).
The other gaping hole in logic is that the genesis of the b.c. certificate number theory seems to be the fact that Obama’s certificate number is a few digits higher than the Nordyke twins, who were born a day later. But the Sunahara baby was born on the morning of August 5, hours before Obama’s evening birth — so obviously her asserted “stolen” certificate number would not explain why the Obama number is higher than the Nordykes.
I hesitate to even make corrections because that causes speculation. But the picture of the grave marker, as intrusive as it is to see posted, shows a birth date of August 4 and death of August 5.
Ayers wrote an autobiography about his life as a fugitive, aptly called “Fugitive Days.” It has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama.
In his autobiography, he wrote how he & his cohorts, while on the run from the law, obtained false ID’s by looking for evidence of babies who had died soon after birth. He explained that it was easy to get the birth certificates of those babies, and then in turn use the certificates to apply for a social security number or driver’s license, obviously issued in the name of the baby. Ayers went by the name Joseph Brown for awhile, among others. (at p. 212 of the book).
This was not advice given as to “how to create a false ID”. It was a memoir. The paragraph about dead baby birth certificates right after explaining that, prior to hitting upon that strategy, he and his cohorts had routinely stolen purses and wallets in order to steal the IDs, but that obviously was a risky way to go about acquiring false ID’s. I’d note that in the mid-60’s there was a period during which dead baby jokes were quite popular — see http://www.jstor.org/pss/1499238 — I remember it being all the rage when I was about age 14, which was roughly 1968. In our defense, my generation grew up watching daily body counts and photo of corpses and seeing pictures like this – http://lanternreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/MyLai.jpg – plus, all of the young males faced the rather imminent likelihood of being drafted and shipped off to the fight — so I can see how as teens we might have felt that joking about dead babies was rather tame in comparison. But the point is, maybe people in the 60’s when Ayers was on the run weren’t all that squeamish about dead babies.
FWIW, dead baby jokes went out of fashion, to be replaced later by dead cat jokes, probably spurred by the publication of the book, 101 Uses for a Dead Cat in 1988.
In any case, whether or not what Ayers did or wrote about was “appalling” has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama or his birth certificate.
That was a typo on my part — I meant to say that the baby was born the morning of August 4th — hours before Obama — which again, would not explain a certificate number higher than the Nordyke twins, born on August 5.
Wasn’t there discussion on this idea concerning why Obama’s certificate number was higher than the Nordykes? I never involved myself in those discussions because I don’t have the knowledge base. But I would guess the same arguments would apply.
as Obama did not take the name Virginia Sunahara it is clear that ID theft was not the issue, is that clear. Ayers discussed ID theft, no such ID theft took place by Obama as he is not known as Virginia Sunahara,. Did I type slow enough? Those pictures of the childs grave were done by a very sick individual. Touting this is a blemish on CHARO’s character. Sick is Sick!
Yes, most of us feel that the birth certificates were probably left unnumbered for a short period of time prior to formal processing and index, but alphabetized during that time. “N” is before “O”, so when the records were stamped, the Nordyke certificates would have been numbered ahead of Obama’s. A baby whose last name begins with “S” would have an even higher number. This theory is bolstered by CNN finding a man born around the same time with a much higher number and a surname beginning with “W”.
My point is that the “same arguments” strongly negate the dead baby theory.
1) If Obama’s number is out of sequence because it is higher than the numbers of babies born a day later,, then the birth certificate of a baby born even earlier would be expected to have an even lower number
2) If Obama’s number is in correct sequence because of alphabetizing, then a baby whose name begins with “S” would be expected to have a certificate number significantly higher than N/O. (The guy with the “w” certificate had a number about 300 digits higher; on average there were 1400 birth records processed monthly in Hawaii, so it looks like indexing and numbering might have been batched on a weekly or bi-weekly basis)
So that would mean that the DOH is deeply involved in the coverup and were involved as far back as 2007. Or did the President research the dead baby info and ask the DOH to put it on his BC, or did the DOH do it on their own.
But even if the President were adopted there would be no need for him to steal the dead babies number, since he would still have his own number from August 4th, 1961. With an adoption, you do not get a new birth date or a new place of birth. Just new parents.
Time of birth would probably matter for that point. As for Ayers, I said that I was probably mixing up two conspiracies (social security numbers and birth certificates) but that the commonality was the use of birth dates of deceased people.
I linked to the blog above concerning the deceased child. You can come to your own conclusions about the blogger’s conclusions. I didn’t bring up the issue in this thread, just the link.
Did you forget the Hawaiian laws that have been the topic here for at least 2 years? Just as only President Obama (or his parents) can get his certifiicate, only Virginia Sunahara’s parents can get her certificate, and thus only they would know its number. The laws have changed since Bill Ayers was living underground. In those days, you didn’t need ID to board an airplane.
There was a book that is out of print called The Paper Trip by Eden Publishers. In the 70’s and it taught you how to gain a new I.D. It was the same info as Ayers autobiography. Get a birth certificate of a dead child. etc……
Google and you can find a copy on E-Bay and or Craigslist.
Obama is still NBC.
Born in the USA
I went to the link you proved and there isn’t any information beyond a child was born on the same day as President Obama and died the next day. Unless I missed something there is no information provided beyond that. The website provided no information that would lead a rational, logical person to draw any conclusions.
Before 9/11 and Id theft, people could search old newspapers, find a child that died early in life, so they would not have much of a public record and then request a copy of the BC. Many states allowed anyone to get a copy. Once you had the copy, you assumed that identity. So unless they have proof that a child named Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961 and died very shortly after that, their theory makes no sense.
Charo, how many bridges in Brooklyn have you bought? How many Nigerian princes have you given your personal information?
This group of people should be ashamed of themselves. They’re just as bad as the car salesman displaying the ‘picture of Obama with a turban’ billboard and the woman who sent an email showing Obama’s face on a monkey.
Comments have gone off topic on this article. However, I don’t particularly mind, as this is a “throw away” article anyhow.
These idiots called the 83 yr old mother for a copy of the BC, so they can
show it’s the same number as Obama.hurl insults while pretending they’re just innocently asking questions.Sound familiar, Charo?
Or there is the trusty interlibrary loan:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/paper-trip-the-how-and-whys-of-getting-false-ids-a-manual-on-how-to-get-false-ids-for-draft-evaders-military-deserters-fugitives-from-the-law-underage-people-runaways-and-just-plain-people/oclc/32643927&referer=brief_results
There should be a shirt with Corsi, Farah, and Taitz wearing straight jackets. “Made in Denial! Lies, slanders, and delusions”
“There should be a shirt with Corsi, Farah, and Taitz wearing straight jackets. “Made in D’enial! Lies, slanders, and delusions”
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where do I order it, I need 15, that would cover all at a birther protest.
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as for “Sound familiar, Charo?”, she put up the insulting link, I think she believes it.
They started off topic.