Orly Taitz has filed a motion in the federal district court in Hawaii in an attempt to compel Hawaii state health director Loretta Fuddy to give Orly Taitz a peek at Barack Obama’s original birth certificate pursuant to discovery in her federal lawsuit Taitz v Astrue. Dr. Fuddy, through the office of the Hawaii State Attorney General David M. Louie, has filed a memorandum with the court objecting, saying that the subpoena was not properly served, is contrary to law, and irrelevant to the underlying case at controversy. Hawaii’s right on all three counts.
Taitz will lose. Here’s the State’s memorandum to explain why:
TAITZ v ASTRUE (USDC HI) – 9.0 – MEMORANDUM in Opposition to Plaintiff's Emergency Ex-Parte Motion – Gov.us… by Jack Ryan
Thanks to the late Dr. Rodney T. West, Hawaiian obstetrician and contemporary of Dr. David A. Sinclair who delivered President Obama for the idea for the title of this article. West’s book is Honolulu Prepares for Japan’s Attack.
H/t to Rickey.
There has been a development in Taitz v. Astrue. Hawaii DOH filed a Memorandum in Oppostion to Orly’s Order to Show Cause motion.
Hawaii DOH argues:
1. Astrue was never properly served by Orly.
2. Orly is not entitled to see Obama’s birth record, and in fact DOH would be breaking the law if Orly were permitted to see the record.
3. Obam’s birth certificate is irrelevant to Orly’s lawsuit regarding Obama’s SSN.
In other words, DOH has made precisely the same arguments which have been posted here by our wise and all-knowing contributors.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63062252/TAITZ-v-ASTRUE-USDC-HI-9-0-MEMORANDUM-in-Opposition-to-Plaintiff-s-Emergency-Ex-Parte-Motion-Gov-uscourts-hid-98529-9-0
We also have a filing by a non-party whack-job, Paul Maas Risenhoover, who apparently believes that Hawaii is not a state.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62746817/Taitz-Fuddy-Hawaii-Obama-Clinton-APA-Claims-7-FAM-1110-No-Evidentiary-Standards-for-Birth-in-Hawaii-or-USA
Risenhoover is a piece of work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risenhoover_v._Washington
Strange, the home page says 2 comments but when I come to the thread there’s nothing here.
Whatever was wrong my most seems to have fixed it – I can now see the other posts.
Taitz will lose. I don’t think I need to explain why
Fixed that for you.
And what a surprise, the State of Hawaii used the exact same arguments that many of us have said they will use….I wonder why that is so?
Could it be that those of us who predicted it actually attended a real law school, paid attention, and actually understand the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the applicable law?
Nah….that can’t be it. We all must just be a part of the conspiracy, and on the Soros payroll.
This is one of those times where I hope the court does not do what is common, which is to address point #1 (failure to properly serve), grant the motion on that point, then declare the other two moot. All that will lead to is Orly finding a way to properly serve them, and another court appearance immediately after.
Of course there’s always the possibility Taitz v Astrue is dismissed before then, making the whole case moot…
One interesting response to this I’m seeing by birthers that actual read it is their amazement at the “relevance” argument. They are so blinded by their ODS that they can’t see that it has to be relevant to THAT CASE, not just “in general”, to pass that test.
One poster at ORYR said that of COURSE the birth certificate is relevant because it would help Orly’s SSA case since she’s trying to prove to the court all the birther nonsense about SSN fraud etc. And if you read Orly’s pleadings she does seem to believe that is the point of her case…but birthers don’t seem to realize that all that nonsense isn’t the question in front of the court. The question in front of the court is a simple one – did they properly refuse Orly’s FOIA request for Obama’s SSN application? The “fraud”, Connecticut, blah blah isn’t part of the case.
Orly, and the birthers, have this tendency to believe that once you can get in front of a court for one specific reason, that’s then the opportunity to present to said court any tangential, and sometimes completely unrelated, issue you want, and that the court is somehow then obligated to take judicial notice of said information and issue a ruling. They don’t work that way. She tries to ask for Obama documents in every case she files even when he isn’t even a party (see today’s ruling in Liberi v Taitz, where the judge threatened sanctions if she continued to push Obama stuff on the court in a case he has nothing to do with).
Really stunning.
Orly also has been cautioned about possible sanctions in Liberi v. Taitz.
The Court is continually frustrated by the extraneous information that OTI [Orly Taitz, Inc.] and other parties include in their requests for leave to file. For example, in this request, the Court fails to see how it is relevant that Orly Taitz has purportedly not filed any lawsuits against the plaintiffs here. The Court also fails to see how Taitz’s crusade against President Barack Obama has any relevance to this request.The Court may impose sanctions for extraneous arguments and statements in future requests, including references to President Obama, who appears to have no direct relationship to the August 23 request.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63048795/gov-uscourts-cacd-497989-359-0
Tarrant beat me by a minute on the sanctions!
The shame of it is the Orly (and the birthers) will never grasp why she lost the motion to compel.
Other lawyers seek to understand the court’s rationale, even if they disagree with it. Not Orly. The court’s carefully crafted language will just go WHOOSH right over her bleached bouffant and she will hastily scribble out the inevitable Motion for Reconsideration.
That’s the saddest part of all. If she simply paid attention to what judges are telling her, not only would she would know exactly what it is that she keeps doing wrong, she would also know how to do it properly the next time. The judges are literally telling her how to do her job better (you know, by actually reading the rules). It’s almost like she wants to be sanctioned and it’s simply something that I just don’t understand.
“… and for Secretary Clinton to admit she currently has NO evidentiary standards for determining proof of birth in Hawaii under 8 USC 1405, …”
The FAM repeatedly refers to 7 FAM 1100 Appendix B to determine what constitutes birth in the United States and its not available because its under development.
Risenhoover wants the Court to compel the State Dept and SoS Clinton to publish 7 FAM 1100 Appendix B or notice its defacto repeal.
Wow. Just got around to reading both of those links. That was a whole new boatload of crazy! We’ve got another damaged nut to add to the birther who’s who.
I got a big kick that in his crazy screed of demands about the State of HI that he also demanded that the courts recognize Orly’s accomplisments of having a law degree and being a dentist…as if she deserves some special glitter star for that.
His huge email distribution list was quite odd as well. Some of the names made sense, as relevant parties. Most of it just seemed to be him emailing his full distribution list of every person he knows. I also saw some email listing claiming someone was the King of Hawaii. Just truly bizarre and just another moment of insane hilarity that always follows Orly’s frivolous debacles.
Well, for one, we know Orly seems incapable of learning any lessons. However, more importantly, I think your concern about Orly being able to properly serve is moot as no court would grant her request for such an irrelevant and immaterial subpoena.
What Risenhoover wants and what Risenhoover gets are two very different things.
Risenhoover is not a party to Taitz v. Astrue, and Obama’s citizenship – indeed, anyone’s citizenship – is irrelevant to the lawsuit.
Risenhoover has been trying to glom onto Taitz v. Astrue for sometime. I assume he finds it a useful place to pursue his quixotic campaign against the government (Secretary Rice, Clinton, et al.) in his never ending custody battle and something about American Formosa (huh?).
Trying to attached an unrelated quest onto some federal court case. I remember hearing about somebody else trying that. It worked so well.
I believe, but am not sure, that Paul Risenhoover is Terry Risenhoover’s son. Mr. Risenhoover believed that Jesus cannot return until the Jewish people rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem. Problem was that the Dome of the Rock, where Moslems believe that Mohammed stepped off into heaven, and Al Aksa Mosque, are in the way. No problem to Mr. Risenhoover, who tried to finance people to blow up those buildings to clear the way for a new Temple.
How Mr. Risenhoover was going to address the problem of Jews from their Orthodox tradition who will not visit the Temple Mount site out of fear they are stepping on the sanctuary in which the Ark of the Covenant was kept is a mystery. I have not been to Jerusalem for a while, but I seem to recall signs warning religious Jews from going to the Temple Mount (the area on top of the Western Wall).
These people take crazy to a level far beyond Ms. Dr. Taitz.
In other news, Ms. Dr. Taitz does not report either the Hawaii District Court filing or the order from the Los Angeles case. Perhaps she had evening office hours today. It could happen.
With the current roll of WND articles, birthers might just as well claim “undue influence” by the “Obots” once again… *sigh*
08-24-2011 Motion hearing before Chief Judge USDC-Hawaii set for 08-30-2011, 9:00 am.
I can’t wait.
Yup, should be another bowl of pure entertainment…
I wonder how many more motions Orly will file if the case is closed…
It’s an old version of the page cached somewhere, either on the site or in your browser. Just wait a bit and it will clear up.
Reading ORYR on this makes me feel like I’m in another world from these people. There are numerous postings from people quoting the motion (so you know they at least read parts of it) and mocking it as “amateurish” and saying the judge will “laugh such a ridiculous argument out of court” and that Orly can easily make Swiss cheese out of the argument it’s got so many potential holes.
I read Orly’s pleadings and most of the time see gibberish, I read this one and thought it was fairly cogent and was essentially exactly what everybody legal-minded thought they would say. But in their minds the two are reversed – all of Orly’s pleadings are a brilliant slash and parry and riposte. Baffles me.
With Freep down, I haven’t gotten my usually daily dose of birther amusement. Anyplace else have a story up on this motion with birther comments?
From Freepervilles own disclosure
https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/budget
Monthly Expenses
Bandwidth and Colocation……………………………………………….2,430
System Administation and Programming………………………………..7,000
Administrative and Taxes………………………………………………10,500
Legal and Accounting…………………………………………………….1,000
Bank Fees, Credit Card Fees, Processing Fees…………………………….800
Equip, Maintenance and Repair……………………………………………300
Office Expenses, Rents, Insurance, Telephone, ISP, Supplies, Misc……..2,500
Travel Expenses……………………………………………………………800
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Total …………………………………………………………………….25,330
$17,500 per month for system adminstration, admin and taxes……and they still can’t keep the site up…?
And this is how killers are made: ORYR post –
i can’t wait for the part when we start sending these commie loving obots to hell. they are all traitors to this nation and need to be asked to kindly get the fuck out! give them a week to get on a plane and fly to the socialist country of their choosing. after a week they become open game. so far we been nice the nice is about to wear off. its no wonder they want our guns they know damn well we will give them our bullets first. its time to turn these commies into good commies, dead ones! this is not a threat your betting your life on it. my country and my freedoms are worth more to me than all of you. You picked the wrong country to play your games in. we don’t play when it comes to our country or family’s.
I just went over to ORYR for the first time. Pretty darn funny. It still shocks me that people who obviously don’t have the first clue about the law spout off with self-appointed authority, like they are the most learned law school professors. As shocking as it might appear to them, a first year law student would run circles around them, and Orly, because after their first year, they probably know enough about civil procedure to serve a subpoena. Another thing they fail to understand is what is truely relevant in a case, and you don’t have to rebut the garbage. Just point out it is garbage. Judges appreciate short and concise motions and replies. We saw this in the Order in Berg’s suit against Orly where the Court smacked Orly down for putting a bunch of irrelevant garbage in her motions. Motions practice isn’t a contest to see who can put the most “stuff” down on paper. It’s about presenting what you believe the facts and law are, and why they are on your side, in as direct a way as possible. Since Orly’s motion was mostly irrelevant garbage, Hawaii went to the point, and made a nice clear Opposition. Now, Orly may attempt to file a Reply before the motion, which I’m sure will be full of more irrelevant garbage about President Obama, but in the end, the court will do what every other court has done. Smack her down, and kick her out of the court.
At least someone is milking these dolts. For 17G/month they could have their own dedicated server farm, their own dedicated support staff, their own high speed net connection. And even rent out unused resources.
I don’t think I will either. I’ve said often that the Birthers do lawyer stuff about as well as I would. Of course, that’s fine for me since i’m not trying to sue anybody. Heck, the one time I needed a lawyer was for an appeal hearing for unemployment compensation.
That hearing still stands as the single worst experience of my life. Do you know what it’s like to have the consequences of your uncontrolled emotions laid bare in front of you, with no sugar coating and no punches pulled? To be met with a hostility you’ve never experienced, because people who care about you have always walked on eggshells and put up with you?
I imagine it would have been even worse if my lawyer hadn’t been standing up for me in a way that I would not have been eloquent enough to do.
That sounds bizarre to me. For that kind of money it seems to me that they could figure out how to run the site without that kind of money.
Considering they bill themselves as conservative…. you know with fiscal responsibility and all…
She doesn’t care because she believes the entire world is against her including time. Could it be that she is really good at being a defense lawyer, that she doesn’t know how to be a private prosecutor.
$800 in banking/credit/processing fees implies a very significant revenue stream, enough to cover their listed expenses several times over. Yet they cop to no revenue?
We are to believe these are banking fees only? So, they are racking up $800/month in overdrafts and bounced check fees?
Either they’re trying to be slick and managed to give themselves away, or they fishing for a bailout of their mismanagement/embezzlement. How many people does it take to keep Free Republic going? I’m thinking the $7,000 and $10,500 figures represent the salaries of two wannabe-overpaid people!
For “credit card fees” probably see “strippers do not give receipts”
My take on Orly is that she wants to play the victim.
She files these ridiculous lawsuits, loses as expected and it’s chalked up as being some conspiracy against her.
Then her supporters feel sorry for her, angry at Obama and shell out still more money.
When you think about it, it’s the only way to survive when in her place.
She can’t win and I think she knows it deep inside.
So instead she loses, whines a lot and then every idiot steps up for her next try at bat.
As for her trotting out every possible complaint she can muster, I think her and birthers in general are very frustrated that so few believe them.
So when she finally makes it to court, she regards it as some major expose’ where she can unleash a huge amount of “evidence” that in her mind adds up to something that the law just can’t ignore.
She obviously believes she has gobs of evidence and it’s her goal in life to expose Obama.
She must go through life thinking that everyone else is an idiot and she has the real, true dope on a huge coverup.
She basically wants to set fire to the building, then rescue all the occupants. But afterward she can only beg for sympathy for being burned.
I think that Orly straddles that fine line between martyr and victim.
On Orly’s Social Security Number fiasco, since SSA & IRS have no problem with Obama’s SSN, what is it that Orly thinks a teen aged Obama did that makes her so angry? Maybe he’s an alien from Vulcan (look at his ears)
I think you are probably very close to the truth there.
Her site has been very quiet lately. She still hasn’t told her minions that the US DC hearing in HI is 8/30, other than publishing the change from MISC to CIVIL. I wonder if she will even show up on Tuesday.
Curiously, I see no line item for Cheetos.
Or blow up dolls.
“Equip, Maintenance and Repair……………………………………………300”
Or maybe “Misc……..2,500”
That buys a nice supply of Red Bull, Slim Jims and Mountain Dew too.
In the birther mind where President Obama is concentrated evil, they feel that 1. There is nothing he does or can do that will be genuine and 2. He’s been a “fraud” and deceitful his entire life, period end.
What could a teenage Obama been doing? Preparing for his life of anti-American revelry by obtaining a somehow fraudulent SSN despite the fact that he could have gotten a legitimate one. He then used this number for, oh, thirty years, without anyone caring or thinking there was anything untoward or noticing the number wasn’t his, despite the fact that the IRS is quite good at that. But since Obama did it, they cannot accept an explanation that doesn’t involve him hating America. They probably believe that even the act of picking up the newspaper or making coffee has some sort of anti-American reasoning to it.
Orly thinks her hearing next Tuesday in HI US DC is a “phone hearing”. Is this true? NBC, in his blog, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/chief-judge-orders-orly-taitz-back-to-hawaii/ , seems to think she needs to show up in person. Does anyone know for sure?
Considering the law, I’m surprised Orly has not gone to Kenya to try to buy off one of Obama’s cousins and get him to request the document.
I’ll call that action, The Salesman’s Foot in the Door Theory of Judicial Procedure.
I love that name! That’s what I’m calling it from now on.
I believe this is probably just another armchair warrior, who is too lazy to get off his ass to do ANYTHING much less lead a revolution.
An expensive trip like that would require quite a few of her donors’ Social Security checks. Note the irony.
I do not like linking to Orly’s site – malware and all – but she has posted her reply to the DOH opposition, and it is a motion to strike the opposition.
Why? Because she claims she was not served properly.
Irony meters explode, as she points put that Hawaii rules require the opposition to be filed 21 days in advance off the hearing, and she didn’t get it until…20 days before. Now of course the court can simply reschedule the trial such that she’s had the proper time to prepare, but she seems to believe that it essentially means she wins. You’d think shed have learned from her numerous trials where she failed to serve properly and she was simply given a new trial date that it doesn’t always work that way, but it’s Orly.
In standard Orly/birther/conspiracy fashion, she claims that this failure by te DOH was intentional, a sign to her that they’re really on her side because by filing a timely opposition they’d somehow be committing treason, so they filed it late so they can let her win while still making it seem like they’re at the mighty conspiracy’s beck and call.
new rulings, fogbow predictions come true, FOIA DENIED!
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08/30/2011 ORDER denying 12[RECAP] Motion to Compel; denying 18[RECAP] Motion to Strike; denying 19[RECAP] Motion for Clarification; denying 20[RECAP] Motion for Default Judgment; and denying 22[RECAP] Motion to Compel. Signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth on August 30, 2011. (lcrcl2) (Entered: 08/30/2011)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63579991/TAITZ-v-ASTRUE-USDC-D-C-35-ORDER-gov-uscourts-dcd-146770-35-0
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08/30/2011 ORDER granting 21[RECAP] defendant’s Motion for Summary Judgment. Signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth on August 30, 2011. (lcrcl2) (Entered: 08/30/2011)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63579816/TAITZ-v-ASTRUE-USDC-D-C-34-ORDER-granting-21-RECAP-defendant-s-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment-gov-uscourts-dcd-146770-34-0
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08/30/2011 33 MEMORANDUM OPINION. Signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth on August 30, 2011. (lcrcl2) (Entered: 08/30/2011)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63579610/TAITZ-v-ASTRUE-USDC-D-C-33-MEMORANDUM-OPINION-Signed-by-Chief-Judge-Royce-C-Lamberth-gov-uscourts-dcd-146770-33-0
I do like Lamberth’s opinion: “Ever persistent, plaintiff has once again come before this Court in an effort to uncover “the biggest cover up in the history of this nation.” Pl.’s Opp’n to Mot. for Summ. J. 20 [31]. She believes that the President is using a “fraudulently obtained” social security number and that the Social Security Administration—among other agencies—is involved in a scheme to “cover[] up social security fraud, IRS fraud, elections fraud and possibly treason” committed by the President. Id. at 5–6, 13. As her numerous filings with the Court demonstrate, plaintiff will stop at nothing to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy. Unfortunately for plaintiff, today is not her lucky day.”
Thanks for the links, Richcares!
I also found the final footnote #4, in the 3rd linked ruling to be interesting:
Basically, the court has given official notice to Orly that they are aware that SSNVS document was obtained illegally. I think they’ve gone to light on her by giving her the benefit of the doubt on it, by merely stating so and disregarding them.
If the judge really thinks Orly will take the hint and stop filing after these rulings, then he is giving her way too much credit. She’ll just amp up the vexatious filings and continue to file improper documents until they come down on her hard enough to stop her. She doesn’t listen to helpful warnings well.
And of course, it happens to be her birthday.. LOL!
Patrick over at BadFiction has already written an excellent article from that angle. He’s aready got Orly’s published reaction to the court’s dismissals too.
http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2011/08/happy-birthday-dr-orly-today-is-not-your-lucky-day.html
She says “earth shattering evidence is coming”. I’m scared.
Today sort of was her lucky day in that she didn’t get sanctioned and her illegal access of Federally protected documents was not referred to the DOJ for investigation and prosecution.
An additional juicy point. She says that representatives of the birther summit were going to go to HI for her Sep 14th triumph. This, of course, is moot now. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if those airplane tickets were non refundable.
I agree with all 3 of your posts, but this one most of all.
So, is she on notice now, that if she uses those documents again, she could be sanctioned?
Did she use them in that other FOIA against the White House counsel?
I wonder how Sven/ShapeShipper is taking the news. He was so looking forward to today’s hearing!
…the other, as indicated by the release of Barack Obama’s official Selective Service registration for the draft. A friend of mine, who is a retired federal agent, spent almost a year trying to obtain this document through a Freedom of Information Act request, and, after much stonewalling, finally received it and released it to me.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
If the above is true, then the Selective Service registration was obtained legally through a FOIA request (and then posted as public information).
I’m not surprised. The Obots went silent on the issue when the Hearing on Motions before the USDC-Hawaii Chief Judge was announced. Any detailed examination of Obama’s Form SS-5 and the results of the examination by a SSA Document Examiner would result in a determination that Obama was a Permanent Resident Alien living in the U.S. in 1977. Consequently, a mad scramble was on to quickly dismiss the Taitz v Astrue.
I know you think the nonparty subpoena was a stroke of genius, so I won’t ask for a comment..
face it mate, she blew it yet again, as has every other birther case before it. it wasn´t a case of if, just when.
now yet another case has gone down in flames quicker than the hindenburg, will you now start to think about doing something constructive like actively supporting your candidate of choice for the 2012 election?
it´s better spent time than swallowing birther crap constantly
Actually, we said exactly what was said in Hawaii’s opposition. That the subpoena wasn’t properly served, the material is protected from release by law, thus not subject to subpoena, it is irrelevant to the underlying case, as well as it was Orly was not entitled to issue the subpoena as the judge did not grant discovery.
And you base this on???? Oh yes…your wild fantasies. Amazing the things one can say when they’re not bound by the simple requirement of producing even the slightest bit of evidence.
What mad scramble? Judge Lamberth actually took his sweet old time in dismissing a clearly frivolous case. And there are still two weeks before the date the hearing was initially scheduled, so if he really wanted to mess with Orly, he could have ruled the morning of the 14th, to make sure Orly already spent the money to fly to Hawaii, and the State of Hawaii could waltz in the hearing and request her motions be dismissed as moot.
And how exactly is issuing a third party subpoena, which she didn’t have the authority to issue, requesting material that are irrelevant to the underlying case, that are protected by law, thus exempt from subpoena, and to top it all, improperly serving the subpoena, a stroke of genius? Even if it did make it to a hearing, the subpoena would be quashed. Yet another frivolous filing by Orly.
Ah, you are full of sh*t again, Sven. We commented on pretty much every twist and turn of Orly’s stupid misadventures and have correctly predicted their obvious outcomes everytime.
There has never been any “silence” nor concern nor worry from us about Orly’s inept and frivolous filings. She’s never had any merit to any of her crazy claims and she seems only capable of wailing and thrashing about and improperly filing or responding to the most basic of legal procedures.
It must be a miserable life to have to lie to yourself all the time, just to get through the day, Sven. Now go back to rocking back and forth and sucking your thumb in the corner.
No. The Selective Service record which Orly used was illegally obtained by Gregory Hollister. As you can see, it doesn’t look anything like the record which Debbie Schlussel published. On Schlussel’s record, the SSN is redacted. Not so on Hollister’s.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/foghorn_leghorn_photos/fogbow/Selective-service.jpg
This AM, Obama spoke to the Veterans of the American Legion and was greeted with large cheers. Veterans cheering Obama drives Orly and birthers crazy, they can’t handle it, especially shapeshifter
American Legion gives President Obama a respectful but low-key welcome
By Doug Grow | Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2011
The commander in chief was introduced this morning as the traditional presidential ruffles, flourishes and “Hail to the Chief” played in the background at the Minneapolis Convention Center.
The 10,000 or so men and women attending the American Legion convention in downtown Minneapolis stood when President Barack Obama entered the room. Most applauded, if only briefly, and stayed standing.
But there was little excitement. He was greeted respectfully, not warmly.
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You need to lower expectations and then finish strong.
Of course they didn’t rush the stage and clap him in irons either, did they GoalpostShifter…
shapeshifter’s Doug Grow’s comment does not jive with reality
here’s the actual video, a glowing introduction and warm response
lots of applauding throughout entire speech, evidently Doug Grow wasn’t there.
Obama introduced as “…give a warm welcome to Barack Obama, our president and our Commander in Chief”
http://theobamadiary.com/2011/08/30/american-legion/
I take your word that it is a different one, but the judge stated “only a registrant himself can request proof of his registration.” It can be obtained through a FOIA request, if the information from Schlussel is accurate. It doesn’t ultimately matter in this case, however.
Charo & Rickey
Susan Daniels says “The Selective Service Verification for Obama was secured legally. I got it off a government site myself and on it the last four numbers identified as those of Obama are the same as the CT social security number which he is using fraudulently.”
As Obama used this SSN all his working life, how does that make it fraudulent?
reaaly great logic on hateful Daniels part, isn’t it?
That assumes that Debbie Schlussel’s version of events is correct. She hasn’t identified the “former Federal agent” and she hasn’t published any correspondence which proves that the record was provided pursuant to a FOIA request. Without verification, we really don’t know how she got it.
Susan Daniels is an embarrassment to private investigators everywhere.
From Sculussel’s site:
The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.
He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.
He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
(she scanned the documents)
Also, from Dr. Conspiracy’s old thread:
Obama’s Forged Selective Service Registration
HistorianDude March 30, 2009 at 3:45 pm #
I received this email today from the SSS
FW: SSS Document Locator Numbers
Sent By:
“Richard Flahavan” On: Mar 03/30/09 12:09 PM
To: REDACTED@REDACTED.net
Dear Mr. Arduini:
Facts will never trump speculation by conspiracy theorists. But the reality is the following:
a. The 10-character Document Locator Number (DLN) was placed on Selective Service Registration Forms beginning prior to the establishment of our current Data Management Center on 31 August 1981.
b. Prior to 1981, the DLN configuration was different from what is used today.
c. At that time when Mr. Obama registered, the first three characters (089) indicated that the form was keyed in by one of the contract keying centers – in this case 089 equated to the Internal Revenue Service.
d. Later, an 11th digit was added to the DLN just prior to Y2K to differentiate another decade.
Thus, the first three characters of the DLN do NOT represent the year the form was keyed into the SSS registrant database, despite what some may hold dear.
Richard S. Flahavan
Associate Director, Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Selective Service System National Headquarters
Thanks for that. I didn’t have the patience or interest to wade through all of Schlussel’s drivel.
Still, it’s clear that what Coffman received is not what Orly filed with the court. The documents which Coffman received have Obama’s SSN redacted. Gregory Hollister was able to get unredacted records by pretending that he was Obama.
On another Orly topic, I still have not seen that her HI state filing has been scheduled for a hearing. Everything so far has been re the Federal filings. Does anyone have any info on this?
I’d like to think that at some point her incredible combination of ineptness, bigotry, tenacity, insincerity, dishonesty and obnoxiousness will have more serious legal consequences than the warnings and sanction she has already received.
How long is their fuse?
Orly just filed her Proof of Service a week ago, and Fuddy & Onaka have not yet filed a response. Of course, whether she obtained valid service is always a question with Orly.
Thanks for the info.