I’m working on organizing all of the documents for the various state birther ballot challenges into an easy reference (a bit like I did the Birther Bills before). Look under the Docket menu above for 2012 Birther Ballot Challenges. Alabama and Arizona have entries so far.
It’s really slow work searching for the documents and removing duplicates. If anyone would like to volunteer to send an HTML file with links for a state, let me know using the Contact link. At least after 2012 there won’t be any more ballot challenges for Barack Obama.
I see that NBC has something similar to what I’m doing, but it doesn’t have all the documents, and the Fogbow has some pieces too, but not complete. ObamaBallotChallenge.com also has omissions and is not very up to date. So some duplication of effort as always. 🙁
Added California and Georgia.
Youu know the site is still going down for several hours at a time, right?
Also noticing that only 50% of my comments actually post.
Not sure if that is because this site goes down more than a 5 bit whore or because you just feel my comments are inappropriate.
I don’t much care actually, as anti-birthing is not my full time job and it certainly can’t be pursued on a site that is down 40% of the time. But curious.
You can check the status here:
http://obamaconspiracy.davnet.org/
The last two updates:
February 18, 2012 9:08 PM: Hosting company performed emergency maintenance to correct performance problems. Site back up.
February 18, 2012 7:14 PM: Site unreachable. Support ticked created.
Besides this one, I don’t have any problems with your comments and none of them have been deleted or blocked by me.
It was down for two hours starting about 7 PM EST tonight. I am not aware of any other significant down time over the past 2-3 days.
Doc, this is a bit off-topic, but I want to thank you for maintaining this site. I glance at it most mornings to see what’s new in the crazy birther world. I first look at the NYT, then ThinkProgress and Right Wing Watch; they tend to leave me depressed and angry at what’s happening to our country. Then I come here, and my spirits are immediately lightened; because this is so insane that becomes entertaining.
Of course birtherism could become dangerous if some militia fanatic out there starts acting on what he (or of course she, but women tend to be more sensible) reads on WND, but we can only hope for the best. In 2016 it will be over — until the next “different” guy comes along: Latino, Asian-American or even — credo quia impossibile — a secularist, someone who does not adhere to any religion. (I don’t use the word ‘atheist’ because it implies a god.) How many years does it take till we know …
30-minute interview to listen to with author on conspiracies in the United States:
“From “Birthers” who claim that President Obama was not born in the United States to those who believe that the Constitution is in danger of being replaced with Sharia law, conspiratorial beliefs have become increasingly common in our public discourse. Arthur Goldwag explores the ideas and rhetoric that have animated extreme, mostly right-wing movements throughout American history. His new book is The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right.”
LINK
(I posted this before but it was during the problems with the site)
From what I can tell, there’s not a lick of sense in any of these female birthers:
Tracy Fair, Orly Taitz, Sharon Rondeau, Butterdezillion, Theresa Cao, Martha Trowbridge, Theresa Daniels, Sharon Meroni, Dianna Cotter, Fran MacLeran, Connie Rhodes, Linda Belcher, Pamela Barnett, Helen Tansey, Kate Vandemoer, Lisa Ostella, Lisa Liberi, Andrea Shea King, Kathy Weppner, Kelly Townsend, Susan DeLemus, Miki Booth, Pamela Geller and Margaret “Ducky” Hemenway
Don’t forget Devvy Kidd and Sher Zieve majority will…….boy….when you see the whole list, It’s and impressive cache of idiocy……..and save for Orly and Charles Lincoln III, I doubt any of these women have a man in their lives willing to give them the ol’ rub and tickle. Makes perfect sense though, they are ugly, ugly trolls, on the inside, where it really counts.
Obama is a kenyan
http://www.kenyaembassy.com/pdfs/The%20Constitution%20of%20Kenya.pdf
page 17
14. (1) A person is a citizen by birth if on the day of the person’s
birth, whether or not the person is born in Kenya, either the mother or
father of the person is a citizen.
(2) Clause (1) applies equally to a person born before the effective
date, whether or not the person was born in Kenya, if either the mother
or father of the person is or was a citizen.
EXACTLY what the founding fathers tried to prevent with the natural born citizen clause.
Eight FAILED attempts to change NBC and 2 diifferent OCONS PROVE pelosi et.al.,KNEW
Many of these birthers are simple-minded, ugly, old and racist fools.
Hopefully, their vile and evil stink dies with them.
Now if you could only find one single judge in all of America to agree with you!
There have been 91 original jurisidiction lawsuits; 55 appeals; 16 attempts at the Supreme Court of the United States and Barack Hussein Obama II of Honolulu, Hawaii is STILL the duly elected 44th President of the United States.
69,456,897 popular votes, 365 Electoral College votes, sworn in by Chief Justice John Roberts; his appointees confirmed by the US Senate; House Resolution 593 (111th Congress, 2009) declaring Barack Obama to have been born in Honolulu, Hawaii by a vote of 378-0.
I enjoyed his book, Cults, Conspiracies & Secret Societies, featured on this site.
The fact that Obama was born with dual citizenship was widely known and widely reported prior to the 2008 election. Pelosi knew it, I knew it, The Congress who certified the 2008 election knew it, and Supreme Court Chief Roberts who swore Obama in knew it. Apparently their understanding of the Constitution differs from yours.
There have been periodic attempts over past decades. to offer constitutional amendments that would allow foreign born adoptees to run for President, largely sponsored by Republicans. They never went anywhere.
I would advise against using uncommon jargon (“OCONS”) on this site cause we won’t know what you’re talking about.
Yeah, WOPRjr, except THERE WAS NO KENYA WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN.
You sheeple wax derogatory of those of us who actually know things, triumphant prematurely in your ignorance, while making the most elementary mistakes yourselves.
The birthplace of President Obama’s FATHER was part of the English Empire until 1963.
Chalk up another idiotic assertion for Birferdom.
Mr. Obama grew up loyal to one country and one only: the good old US of A.
Under Mexican law, Mitt Romney is Mexican
Under Italian law, Rick Santorum is Italian
Under German law, Ron Paul might be German
Under Martian law, Newt Gingrich is Martian
Under Cuban law, Marco Rubio is Cuban
Under Irish law, Joe Biden might be Irish
So you will have to choose between one or another dual citizen. Unless you refuse to vote for any candidate of white, black or Asian ancestry and go with a real American- a Mohawk, Navajo, Sioux or Cherokee (which is fine with me).
As for the founding fathers, they lived in a world where crossing the ocean took weeks not hours and was dangerous and uncomfortable. They didn’t have penicillin, computers, cars, air conditioning, central heating and almost everything you use in your daily life. Basing your life on theirs is a foolish quest. This is 2012, not 1788.
One thread that is more common with the female birthers over their male counterparts is that it seems a larger percentage of them started off as PUMAs.
His whole post is “economical with the truth”. (yes, I know, we are dealing with birfers, so misquotes are a given)
Because of the circumstances of Obama’s birth, we need not look at article 14, but need to check page 190, where number 30 refers back to the old articles 87 and 88 of the 1969 constitution.
(2) would have acquired citizenship if Article 87 (2) read as follows:
“Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father or mother becomes, or would but for his or her death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.”
So, you need to have a look at the old constitution of 1969,
http://www.polhist.hu/regi/alkotmanyok/kenya.pdf
where the old article 87(2) actually said:
“(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a
citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his
father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of
subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.”
So, the only cahnge here is adding the word “mother”. Of course, Obama was also a US citizen by virtue of his birth in the US, so he was also hit by the provisions of article 97 of the 1969 constitution:
97. Dual citizenship.
(1) A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of
Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection
(7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his
citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person
who was born outside Kenya, made and registered such declaration of his intentions
concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
Surprise, surprise, the new constitution of 2010 allows dual citizenship.
This means that anyone born of a Kenyan mother outside Kenya before Kenyan independence is now by virtue of the 2010 constitution a citizen by birth of Kenya (and no, Obama’s mother never became Kenyan).
There is some anti-male discrimination here, as people in Obama’s case had to renounce the other citizenship to remain Kenyan.
It therefore comes as no surprise that the 2010 constitution has an article 14(5) which says
(5) A person who is a Kenyan citizen by birth and who, on the effective date, has ceased to be a Kenyan citizen because the person acquired citizenship of another country, is entitled on application to regain Kenyan citizenship.
[not sure whether this article really applies to Obama or anyone who was born with dual citizenship even after 1963]
and also gives Kenya’s Parliament the power to enact laws
(a) prescribing procedures by which a person may become a citizen;
…
(d) providing for voluntary renunciation of citizenship;
(e) prescribing procedures for revocation of citizenship;
(article 18, pages 18 and 19).
So it all boils down to whether the Kenyan Parliament will enact a law granting citizenship automatically. That is not much different from North Korea granting North Korean citizenship to all Americans over the age of 35.
I apologize if this sounds confusing. IANAL, but I think I can safely conclude the new constitution did not make Obama a Kenyan citizen again.
Under Germany’s law, Eisenhower was German.
Newsflash to WOPRjr (is that anything like WOLD): Anyone Jewish in the entire world, is automatically an Israeli citizen the moment they set foot on Israeli soil.
Case in point: My maternal uncle was a world class authority on inorganic chemistry, and was invited to lecture for a year at the Technion. While there, his daughter (my first cousin) turned 17. The day after her birthday, she was drafted into the IDF. She never took any steps for Israeli citizenship. 17 is the age of majority in Israel.
NONE of these obtuse responses addresses the kenyan,NON natural born Citizen, in the WH.
Birthers don’t want Obama’s eligibility determined; they want him determined ineligible.
— Dr. Conspiracy
No need to address something that doesn’t even exist.
An American NBC occupies the White House, as has always been the case. Therefore, there is no need to pay attention to imaginary hypotheticals from raving paranoids.
Eisenhower was born a German. He lost nominal German citizenship (meaning the right to apply for a German passport) when he entered the US Army. He did not president while German. Unlike Thomas Jefferson who presidented while French, and Agnew, who presidented while Greek.
Some people believe that because Ike’s ancestors immigrated long before 1776 or 1787-1788 (June 21, 1788 was when New Hampshire ratified), some Mayflower-like NBCship was miraculously imbued into their genes. That is incorrect, as no German ancestor of Ike was born in the colonies; Ike’s immigrant ancestor fathered the next generation of Eisenhowers at the age of 72 well in the 19th century.
Ike lost nominal German citizenship at the same age as Obama lost nominal Kenyan citizenship. He could have applied for actual German Bundesrepublik citizenship later in life. Like Obama now, according to the new Kenyan constitution.
There are more parallels between Eisenhower and Obama (though the claims about a name change and an incorrect place of birth on the BC have been found true in Ike’s case, and wrong in Onama’s case). It may look like a funny coincidence, but it really is not. The United States being a nation of immigrants coincidences like that are bound to occur when you have 44 presidents. It is like that statistical question about how many people you need at a party for two of them to share the same birthday.
Of coure, people presenting actual evidence that he is not a Kenyan from the document you are quoting and people presenting actual legal evidence that dual citizenship does not matter – in your eyes does not address the problem.
Your eyes have seen the glory of the coming of Orly. She has scrambled out the vintage where the grapes of joy are stored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Son,_the_Folk_Singer
The Ballad Of Harry Lewis (music of “The Battle Hymn Of The Republic”)
I’m singing you the ballad
Of a great man of the cloth
His name was Harry Lewis
And he worked for Irving Roth
He died while cutting velvet
On a hot July the 4th
But his cloth goes shining on
Glory, glory Harry Lewis
Glory, glory Harry Lewis
Glory, glory Harry Lewis
His cloth goes shining on
Oh Harry Lewis perished
In the service of his Lord
He was trampling through the warehouse
Where the drapes of Roth are stored
He had the finest funeral
The union could afford
And his cloth goes shining on
(chorus)
Although a fire was raging
Harry stood by his machine
And when the firemen broke in
They discovered him between
A pile of roasted Dacron
And some french fried gabardine
His cloth goes shining on
(chorus)
Oopsalooza – there is a vice missing there.
And without that other vice that got Agnew out, it might have been true.
Paul Pieniezny:
I would like to recommend to you and other readers, Eternal Trance mixed by DJ HERCIO, who broadcasts from Brussels: http://00107tempofm.com/eternaltrance/
Well, when you put THAT way, birthers look pretty silly.
My Son, the Folk Singer is still one of the funniest comedy albums ever recorded.
The attorneys for Obama and Obama for America have responded to the California eligibility petition. It seems to me that they did an excellent job of raising all of the relevent points, including pointing out that the same birther claims were raised and rejected in Keyes v. Bowen and Robinson v. Bowen.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81869283/Memorandum-of-Points-and-Authorities-in-Support-of-Demurrer
Thanks for that update and link! That is one of the most solid and best written defense responses yet.
The repeated references to both the prior v. Bowen Birther cases and the Ankeny decision offer further proof that the only thing that the Birthers have succeeded in doing is solidifying the citizenship and ballot access legal precedents AGAINST them.
Based on this response, I would expect the Court to summarily dismiss these claims with only a sentence or small paragraph at most.
Dr. Conspiracy February 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“I would advise against using uncommon jargon (“OCONS”) on this site cause we won’t know what you’re talking about.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54542898/Executive-Summary-Re-Election-Fraud-by-Pelosi-and-DNC-w-HI-and-49-Other-States-OCONS
Try to come up with a reason for pelosi to tapdance on this.
Tapdance?
Sorry, that’s Mr. Bojangles’ department. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Robinson
Here you go, Scrappy Doo.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/09/birthers-forge-ahead/
Try to use soap next time.
Stupidity doesn’t recognize gender.
Stanislaw, I’m sorry to say the evidence shows you’re right. I would like to think better of my own gender!
I would like to think that Pamela Geller should be ashamed to be a shonde, and have her wreck of a site called a hate site by the SPLC.
This birther nonsense is just another version of the Red Scare. The theme is the same; just the characters have changed. The Soviet Union is no more, so they can’t call Obama a communist. Instead, he’s a Marxist and a socialist, and hates the UK because of their colonies. Both of my degrees are from schools in Buffalo, and I met Milton Rogovin: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/arts/design/19rogovin.html
The people who trashed him are forgotten. His life’s work has been curated.
Same here. Obama will have books written about him, and a dedicated library. The birther crowd will be a footnote.
When I was growing up, and drifted into anger, my mother, aleha ha shalom, would say “stop licking your wounds.” That was after all that had been dished out to us. Same thing when I came home from school, and repeated a superstition or old wive’s tale. She would always say “stop that. There’s a scientific explanation for everything.”
Excellent advice.