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Would anyone care to speculate on how much money both private and tax payer has been spent to keep any interested person or party from seeing Obama’s type written long form birth certificate? And why doesn’t he sue the sheriff for defamation of character not that he has any.
Obama sure could make all the birfers look stupid by just showing his (ORIGINAL) BC to orly. Its just to damn bad he doesn’t have one. What reason could he possibly have for not producing it???????
You mean the one he let the press handle and photograph?
“type written long form birth certificate”?
you mean the one that DOESN’T HAVE at the bottom “this is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”?
Indeed!!!
I am greatly enjoying “A Legal Lohengrin’s” entertaining style of retelling the IN Ballot challenge. I love how he uses his voice to give emphasis and indicate when Orly is crazy… đ
NONE. Not in terms of how you described it, that is.
In terms of how much has been spent in situations where he actually had to have a defense response to these frivolous legal challenges – check the Birther Scorecard, which is under the Docket section at the top of this website. Where those things are known – or where we even know IF there would be any expense involved; that info is usually listed.
But in summary, NOT MUCH, especially in comparison to the number of Birther suits that have come up and with what legal defense actions can cost. As frivolous suits require very little effort, the expense to defend them is relatively low.
The REAL question you should be asking is how much the BIRTHERS have spent in their endless fail quest. As there would be ZERO expense if there weren’t Birthers filing these, the SOURCE of any expenses of this and the courts time is ALL on the Birthers.
*yawn*
Sorry, that is the oldest and lamest “Concern Troll” tactic in the book. It has been tried at ever step of Birther’s ever-shifting goalposts. He already gave the COLB and the LFBC. That’s more than anyone else. So your endless “show us your papers, boy” goading is already demonstrated to be a dishonest tactic. In truth, nothing will satisfy you folks, so there is no point in wasting time with further appeasement.
Until you’ve asked and received the same amount of info from EVERY OTHER candidate for President out there, you’ve got no argument. Where are their COLB and LFBCs??? Personally, I don’t care, but you Birthers “claim” to…
Just a reminder: The Guthrie photos are still on the web: http://lockerz.com/s/96540937 and http://lockerz.com/s/96540721
No speculation needed. It is exactly zero dollars and zero cents. By “interested” I assume you meant any person or party with a tangible interest as defined under Hawaiian law.
As to the defamation case, public figures have to jump through hoops to bring such actions. And Sheriff Joe was careful to keep repeating that he wasn’t accusing Obama of anything, so there’d be no case there.
1- It belongs to the State of Hawaii- it is not Obama’s to do what he wants with, nor can he instruct Hawaii how to handle it or whom to show it too.
2- What authority or expertise does Orly possess? Only her rich husband keeps her from being a crazy woman yelling on the street corner with twigs duct-taped in her hair.
Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
1) He has no reason to do any more to shut up the idiots.
2) As we have seen, there is no reason to believe that the birthers would accept it even if they were allowed in to see the original in the Hawaiian records.
I think Veritas should try to see if he, she or it can gain acess to his, her or it’s ORIGINAL, vault copy birth certificate and then see if Veritas is able to show it to anyone else by bringing another person into the birth records files of whatever state Veritas was born in.
Aboout 10 sents.
I think its very unfair of you to say that Sherrif Joe has no character.
In any case Sherrif Joe was very very careful to say that he didn;t believe it,and he complimented The President for bieng hard working
The Vital record on file in Hawai’i is not a birth certificate. A Birth certificate is the document given by the state to the petitioner to certify they have the birth on file and other information. And nobody could make the Birthers look more stupid than they themselves do.
Why would he do that? The Birthers are already doing a damn fine job on their own.
Are you talking about the document that he refused to present in Court?
FAIL! To refuse to present something implies that someone was ordered to present something in the first place. Never happened.
Face it, you are just hopping mad and smarting because you’ve lost to an Empty Table – twice. And your big Sherrif Joe announcement turned out to be nothing more feeding you recycled WND droppings and taking no action.
Birtherism continues to go nowhere fast.
Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation concluded that Obama’s LFBC is a forgery. If you had an ounce of common sense you would be the first one to call for the official examination of all original birth records on file in Hawaii. We don’t want military personnel to have any doubts about legality of orders to risk their lives in a war, do we?
I would like to hear Malihi’s comment about validity of Obama’s LFBC document. Perhaps he would base his decision on a public statement made by another “homorable” judge who said that (paraphrasing) “case has been twittered and Court does not need to condider it”.
No he didn’t.
He kept intentionally stopping short of “concluding” that. He is merely alleging that and trying to make weasely insinuations.
Notice how he kept away from any actual accusations whenever the press kept asking him about it? *duh*
With all of your answers, you demonstrate that YOU are the one who lacks any ounce of common sense at all.
Because I am not a gullible tool, I realize that his dog & pony show was nothing more than the same long-debunked nonsense I’ve already seen before and that his arguments were nonsense.
I mean seriously, making a fake BC and then using that to test to see if it looked like a fake… *face palm* What a worthless and meaningless exercise. The whole PDF argument was DOA from day 1, because it was always meaningless.
The actual paper copy was touched, photographed and reported on. The HI DOH attested to the full creation, custody and authenticity of not one, but TWO certified PAPER copies. When they point to the document and information on it that they say is correct and authentic, the HI DOH links to the image of the LFBC on the White House website.
Therefore, the HI DOH, which confirmed in writing that they issued 2 PAPER COPIES has also confirmed that what we see online MATCHES what they gave the President.
***DUH***
So no, no reasonable nor serious person has any questions or doubts here. Only a total mentally deficient fool or an intentional liar would.
Finally, your weak Concern Trolling is showing again with your silly bogus line about the military. I get to call you a dummy when you try to come across so dumb. The legality of orders of the Commander In Chief comes from the Office itself, not the person. As long as Obama is serving in the capacity of Commander in Chief, he IS. If any sitting president was removed or voided in any hypothetical situation, their prior rulings and orders would STILL STAND. There is no “magic make it go away” button in how the real world works.
Look up the De Facto Officer Doctrine and stop being such an ignorant dufus.
Well, a photocopy of that LFBC was part of the evidence submitted by the Birthers themselves. So Malihi saw it and seemed just fine with it.
After all, he ruled Obama to be an NBC. He directly said so in his ruling. The GA SoS, who is GOP, also reviewed those findings and came to the same conclusion.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see through the very obvious fallacies that Arpaio used to make his case.
If Birthers had common sense, though, they wouldn’t be Birthers, so I can’t expect you to appreciate the situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew
The game has changed – no more hiding behind the “prima facie” argument about Obama’s birth certificate.
Country’s toughest Sheriff, the one who catches most illegal aliens in the USA, caught the biggest fish in his net – an illegal president, usurper to the office.
Where is Gov. Abercrombie – he has the authority to authorize the release of the original birth index. All he has to do is ask DoH director Fuddy and he could prove Arpaio wrong.
This is a quote from the CNN article (includes video interview) published on December 27th, 2010:
“Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie vowed to end the “birther” controversy surrounding President Obama’s nationality once and for all.
Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do whatever it takes to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii.”
What is Abercrombie waiting for? Perhapos there is no document to support the official birthplace story?
*rolls eyes*
No, he hasn’t. To “catch” a fish, he actually has to press charges and arrest someone.
He isn’t willing to do that.
Again, it shows the sad mentality of you Birthers. This is all just a propaganda “game” to you. You don’t care about reality or actual laws. You are just lost in some fantasy role playing within your own imagination.
*yawn* All old news. This has all been discussed and resolved. Here are the links which fully cover and explain this.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/category/whoswho/neil-abercrombie/
Not really – there is no mention of the birth index data. DoH director has authority under the UIPA law to release the original birth index data. What is Abercrombie waiting for?
Sheriff Arpaio proclaimed LFBC as a forgery – does Obama have any friends in Hawaii who are willing to defend his good name. Perhaps they are afraid to perjure themselves?
Again, more fake Concern Trolling nonsense from you.
The Birth Index angle has been addressed and covered on here as well. I’m not your parent, so I’m not going to waste my time doing your homework for you. Search through here and look it up.
Maybe Doc C. will take pity on you and direct you to the articles that have addressed those issues. But I can’t help that you are simply obstinate, lazy, uneducated and full of endless lies that have already been hashed and rehashed many times before.
So stop wasting our time trying to trot out dead zombie arguments that have already fallen flat and failed.
LOL. I know that UIPA law allows DoH Director to release full birth index data (including registration number and date). If Abercrombie wanted to publish public data (no need for Obama’s authorization) he could have done it.
Releasing names only and pretend that this is a birth index is good enough for those not interested in truth but cover for Obama.
Oh Does he now? Well then you will have no problem pointing that part of the law out to us
http://hawaii.gov/oip/UIPABooklet-PDF.pdf
Please quote where it says that with the page number so we can discuss that part of the law.
I’ll be waiting for you to prove G wrong.
That’s Vital Statistics law, not UIPA. The governor could not have published this, but the Director of Health could. However, we already know Obama’s certificate number, and publishing this for everybody could be an avenue for fraud.
The birth index has been photographed and posted here and elsewhere.
Try here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-04-23-obama-birth-certificate.htm
Hawaii Statute: HRS 338-18 Disclosure of records….
(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.
What do we have here:
DoH Director can disclose the original birth registration index.
Let’s put things into perspective: Gov. Abercrombie vowed to resolve the birther issue for Obama. Abercrombie is the boss. He appoints the DoH Director. When he asks for information and the request does not violate the law, the DoH director complies.
Here we have a simple example of data that can be shared with the public (and help Obama, if you believe in the original birthplace story) yet Abercrombie is silent on this issue. Why would he sit on information that could help Obama – it makes no sense unless there is a problem with the original birth registration data.
Excerpt from the UIPA Law:
How Should the UIPA Be Interpreted?
The Legislature pronounced that it is the policy of this State to conduct government business as openly as possible while protecting the right of privacy embodied in our State Constitution. Thus, Part I of the UIPA requires that the UIPA be applied and construed to promote its underlying purposes and policies, which are:
(1) To promote the public interest in disclosure;
(2) To provide for accurate, relevant, timely and complete records;
(3) To enhance government accountability;
(4) To make government accountable to individuals in the collection, use, and dissemination of information relating to them; and
(5) To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved in favor of access.
The DoH behavior regarding Obama’s birth registration documents is 180 degrees opposite of the spirit of the UIPA law.
Perhaps it is because you are foreign born that you don’t understand the English language properly.
HINT: Look up the definition of the word “may”.
It means it is merely an option. In other words, a discretionary choice. It is NOT an obligation. Translation: They don’t have to. That is what may means. *duh*
Another failed argument from you as always.
I see, you are another bright Obot that needs everything explained slowly. I understand that DoH is hiding behind the word may.
Read what Abercrombie said in December 2010 and tell me why he chose not to release the original birth index. Nothing prevents him from doing it. He vowed to end the birther controversy once and for all. Why did he stop talking about it – original birth index could help Obama (if you believe in fairy tales).
I see, you are another bright birther that needs everything explained slowly.
The birth index has been released.
Some Obama birth records made public for years
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-04-23-obama-birth-certificate.htm
“HONOLULU (AP) â Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Obama’s birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth.
Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called âindex data,â available to the public.”
It even has photos of the birth index! How thoughtful!
Next you’ll tell us something really silly, like Gov. Abercrombie looked for Obama’s BC and couldn’t find it.
again, *yawn*
You are so dense and hopeless. (You used to post as NC1 awhile back, didn’t you?)
Now you are trying to trot out the long debunked Abercrombie nonsense I see. Yeah, that was all fully addressed and answered well over a year ago:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/category/whoswho/neil-abercrombie/
Oops. There goes another of your lies! I wonder what moldy chestnut you are going to try to trot out next.
But hey, in the meantime, keep having a tantrum because you are just some spoiled brat who thinks you are entitled to free ponies. But sorry, back in the real world, a valid response to “May I have a pony” is “No, you may NOT.”
Sucks to be you. Heck, sucks to be any Birther these days. You never get your way, nor should you…