Corsi and Cashill crank up the innuendo machine
When my sons were growing up, I wanted them to be aware of the dangers of financial scams online. I taught them the common-sense rule: if it’s too good to be true, it probably isn’t true.
The well-known political smear writers Jerome Corsi in his WND “exclusive” article: “Postman: Ayers family put ‘foreigner’ Obama through school” and Jack Cashill in his article: “What the Mailman Knows about Ayers and Obama,” at The American Thinker tell the story of a retired mail carrier, Allen Hulton, who somehow remembers from over 20 years ago that he delivered mail to Bill Ayers’ parents, and that they told him that they were sponsoring some foreign kid from somewhere and he thinks it was Kenya, but probably Indonesia, a kid whose name he can’t remember except it was a funny name and who said that he was going to be President. Corsi has a video of the mail carrier in his article.
I think the birthers should really be looking at the “too good to be true” angle because this story sure sounds too good to be true (for the birthers) to me.
Corsi: Do you recall the conversation in the early 1990’s with Mary [Ayers]?
Hulton: Yeah. One day she came up to the door when [unintelligible] when I came up to the house with mail. She started talking to me enthusiastically about this young black student that they were helping out and she referred to him as a “foreign student.”
What’s wrong with this picture? Barack Obama had graduated from Harvard in 1991. When he arrived in Chicago where Ayers lived, it was to teach at the University of Chicago Law School; he was not a student, foreign or otherwise.
Whether the elderly mail character is trying to save his country with a lie, or more likely just telling a true story embellished to be interesting, the details don’t hang together and there is no corroboration.
Perhaps seeing that there’s really nothing to the story, Cashill and Corsi dump everything but the kitchen sink in other unrelated smears to bulk up the word count.
Don’t take my word for it. The hyperlinks are provided for you to read it yourself. However, I wouldn’t recommend doing it on a full stomach.
Read more:
Loren compares four stories by birthers who supposedly met young Obama:
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7215&hilit=mailman&start=1075#p356806
He apparently went around telling people that he was going to be President! It’s all part of the plan. And Barack Obama can’t keep a sekrit. LOL.
Wow, truly scraping the bottom of the barrel. Would love to hear a tape of that interview! No doubt Corsi was spoon-feeding the old boy. And even then, little about the article adds up. Obama will be happy to know he got 10 years of his life back!
“Young man whose ears stuck out”? In my experience, old white men should not talk about the ears of others. 😉
This piece of faux concern (strategically placed right on the cusp of the USS Corsi’s record-breaking plummet to the bottom!) was really, truly touching:
I look forward to seeing this person put on a witness stand under oath and to, you know, actually testify as to what they heard and did not hear in a compelling, consistent way.
Loren’s stories do contain the reoccuring theme that Obama wanted to pursue the POTUS at a young age. This would not be surprising and perhaps that has been Obama’s goal and passion in life.
Doesn’t everyone have wonderful goal or want in life that they love to tell other people???
Well, I know someone in New York who knew him while he was here and wished she had dated him! She has an African-American father and a Swedish mother. Can I turn that into a melodrama and get my fifteen seconds in the news, too?
Why would Jerome Corsi produce such a ridiculous claim and antiquated witness? There are some clues in the comments left to articles at ORYR:
“What it does do is sow seeds of doubt towards the Obamboozler in the general election, regardless of whether it’s considered hearsay.”
“We are moving into the election cycle which is all about persuasion, that is persuading a fence sitter/independent/middle guy/gal to vote your way. We are talking about voters.
“What about a political campaign do you not understand?”
Fabricated claims work, as anyone who recalls the swift-boating of John Kerry knows.
The comments on teh article at WND are a scream. The price on Obama’s effort to conceal his past has now doubled to $4million! Based on what who knows…..
I have experience interviewing two of the King of the Liars Jerome Corsi’s “star witnesses”, Tim Adams and Paul Irey. The former was shown to be a flat out liar. The latter was shown to be a complete kook. (I can’t call him a liar because I think he actually believes his nonsense). So, yes, I have some doubts about Mr. Postman’s veracity.
I have no doubt whatsoever RC!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo
Richardson revelation-Obama is an immigrant
this story shows how Corsi highly regards his readers, he evidently thinks his readers are jerks, and they all seem to nod their heads “yes”
The Irey show was an absolute classic, and deserves a spot in the top tier of the very crowded birther canon! 😀
“What’s wrong with this picture? Barack Obama had graduated from Harvard in 1991. When he arrived in Chicago where Ayers lived, it was to teach at the University of Chicago Law School; he was not a student, foreign or otherwise.”
I don’t think the early 1990s date is that problematic…which is why I find it awfully suspicious that when Hulton previously told his story, he said it took place in the mid-1980s, and Obama looked about 19 years old.
But that timing makes no sense at all. Obama graduated Columbia in 1983, and worked in New York for two years. He didn’t move to Chicago to work as a community organizer until 1985. And he didn’t enter Harvard until 1988.
So in the mid-80s, he was well between schools. Moreover, he wouldn’t have ‘taken the train out from Chicago’ if he wasn’t living in Chicago. And since he had never lived in Chicago prior to 1985, it would have been AWFULLY random for the Ayers to have financially supported Obama while he was at Columbia.
Thus, the story has been re-set for the early 1990s. After Obama had lived in Chicago. At a time closer to when he was actually in school. When a train trip from the city is plausible because he’s not living in New York.
Of course, setting it post-Harvard makes the whole ‘foreign-born’ angle more absurd. By that point, Obama’s role at the law review had made him the subject of multiple news articles that explicitly stated he was Hawaii-born. So why would Ms. Ayers be simultaneously saying he was born in a foreign country?
Anyone who buys this is brain-damaged.
Let me get this straight…all the Judges are mistaken about the Law, all the Documents are forgeries, you can’t trust the State of Hawaii’s Birth Records… but when it’s “I knew some Guy who told me his Mailman said he heard it from an Old Lady he claims was Mrs. Ayers that she was sponsoring some Black Kid who may have been a Foreign Student who looked like Obama…”
Oh, yeah… stone-cold fact. Let the frog-marching begin.
I ran this by my postal deliverer. He was dubious, because he says he has trouble remembering stuff from last week, let alone 20 years ago. He also says that his cousin works in the foreign student office at one of the colleges here and she told him that if you graduate from a US high school you aren’t a foreign student, no matter what your citizenship. He also said that another carrier has a house on his route where they hosted a high school student from Ghana and the kid might have told the maid that he wanted to be President of Ghana one day. I hope this helps clear this story up. Nothing like getting things right from the horse’s mouth. That’s what I do at the track, anyway. You should hear what some of the horses have to say.
Corsi and Cashill are two reasons the word dumbass was coined.
I have a great relationship with our local post office, I even wrote a complementary letter on them to the main office about their great service. I showed them this story this morning, A customer just walked in and asked “what is everybody laughing at”
That was awesome, Scientist!
The story is almost certainly complete BS. An oldster deperate for attention making a mashup of decades old chance encounters and observations. And you know, despite his assertion that it must have been him because his ears stuck out, all of “those people” in Chicago look the same. *cough*
I think it’s funniest to believe that he did know Ayers, and that they did just happen to support an indonesian student (ok, nvm that she just happened to make it a tossup between Indonesia and kenya, thus conveniently tying into a conspiracy to be invented years in the future), and everyone involved just assumes it was Obama. I mean, how many kids from Indonesia have ever been to the US?
Oh, nevermind, Hulton just a liar, a pawn being manipulated by Corsi.
I think the comment has been scrubbed.
The Adams interview I thought was better especially when I think it was Mimi who called in and grilled him on his old myspace posts. Then there was when he asked if something was racist and RC said yeah if you said all that then it certainly is racist.
It is still there.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/postal-worker-allen-hulton-bill-ayers.html#comment-form
Anonymous @ March 19, 10:56 P.M.
I haven’t heard that one, but perhaps I should look it up. Being more interested in the technical aspects of birtherism, the misrepresentation of faux expertise, I will forever remember the priceless way in which Irey went from adamantly expounding on his outdated professional knowledge to a full-on pan-conspiracy rant.
CTs … can’t have just one!
The letter carrier reminds of the guy in Hawaii who claimed that he met young Obama one day. Obama supposedly told him that he was born in Kenya but was going to be President one day. Something like that.
Definitely listen to the Tim Adams one. He gets caught in several lies and admits that WND paid him and created the affidavit he signed. He gets caught on previous bigoted statements. I think the best show by far was one of RC’s earlier ones when he had Manning on and Manning left the show in a fit.
FreeRepublic poster Race Bannon.
Well, I have been busy all day on this, when I haven’t been dozing off. There is an add-on room at my house with a metal roof, where I like to hang out particularly when it is raining. I call it Listening to God’s Music, and I turn the TV volume off and it is sooo pretty and relaxing to hear the rain drops and hail and tree limbs and stuff hit the roof. Oh, I digress:
http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/the-precedent-for-the-prescient-president-or-meeting-the-jung-obama/
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Oh, I just did Race Bannon in the Internet Article I wrote. More synchronicity.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
loren @ fogbow lines up the birfer recovered memory statements:
ah — i see mimi beat me to it.
Well I wish I had seen Loren’s before I did mine. I only had two stories, and his other two fit right into my theme. DARN!!! Time to update.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Yes, that is all this silly smear nonsense is really about.
All it does is demonstrate the sewer-swilling depths that these desperate losers have to wallow in, as they have no REAL arguments to use against Obama.
Nor is their any realistic steam to their smear strategy. They FAILED at trying the “we don’t know about his past” smears angle during the last cycle and he still got elected by an overwhelming majority, both in terms of Electoral Votes and the Popular Vote results.
In a re-election, silly nonsense about his distant pass have even much less room to gain any traction. Other than those who are already severe ODS sufferers, no one else will pay any attention or care.
An incumbent is judged on his RECORD, the economic/world state of affairs, and compared/contrasted to what his opponent has to offer as a replacement option. That is pretty much all it comes down to for an incumbent in the end.
Those that are bitterly partisan and committed to vote against someone due to some form of Derangement Syndrome are already factored into the equation from the get go.
Sewer swill smears only appeal to them and are therefore irrelevant, as Obama wasn’t planning to get these votes regardless.
Of course he is. There is no doubt about it. This pathetic old dude is just another Cliff Claven out there.
The world is full of people like him who make up outrageous whoppers, tall tales and fish stories.
The only thing surprising is that there are actually some people out there stupid and gullible enough to fall for it.
I said to myself “no one is dumb enough to fall for the postman story, no one”
Then john posted!
Another excellent article & great imagery/easter eggs as always, Squeeky!
Yeah, it all comes down to that quote of Jung you cited and the utter desperation that drives some of these pathetic losers to make up the most outrageous fantasy whoppers possible.
You should look into Ulsterman and his endless tales of the RAP masters and the secret US government and his made up inside sources… truly one of the longest running fantasy whoppers out there in the Birtheristani circles. Quite a few of the fake Grand Jury folks in the early days were swallowing those tall tales hook line and sinker…
John is just the biggest Birther toady syncophant out there. He’s the most devout follower of the Birther Cult and will happily parrot whatever garbage they toss his way. As I’ve mentioned several times before, he’s nothing more than the Grima Wormtongue character from LOTR, but during the end period, when he is simply “Worm” in The Shire…
Thank you G!!! I am glad you like it. I spent several hours trying to run down a copy of Kings Incognito but only jstor had it. There surely is a variant somewhere which applies. I almost went with a The Once and Future King motif, and had a really kewl image, but it sounded to much like a 2012 election prediction.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I really had to call BS when the guy stated he believes Ayers said the foreign born student was from kenya or indonesia. Quite ironic his memory picked out to very different countries that dont sound alike or are not on the same continent, but just happen to be related to obama in todays media. Quite ironic indeed.
All that’s missing is that he didn’t recall the young Obama mentioning something about getting a ride to Connecticut to apply for a Social Security card.
And perhaps that he was seen clutching a postmark stamp with only two digits in the year.
Obviously, this retired mail carrier has many layers.
But which two? The missing two? Or the impressed two? It boggles the mind!
Visions of Hurlton gloating maniacally over a tiny rubber ’19’, still glistening with red ink …. muahahahaha! 👿
He was probably taking the train to Great Lakes, Illinois, where the Selective Service Data Management center is located. Casing the joint, for 2008. Because he was crazy prepared.
I liked the article. I really like how Corsi put the sugar cubes really close together, so that even the birthers most thick would get the AHA!! candle lit.
I really love how seamless all of the conspiracies are.
My question now is; when will Corsi and the rest of the “mainstream” birthers latch onto the Obama is a gay, lover-whacking communist angle that the fellowship nutjobs hold?
Also, what kind of sway does a possible, fragmented memory from 20 years ago hold when it is part of a sworn deposition?
I guess that would be a question for Tim Adams.
P.S: spellcheck does not recognize the terms birther or nutjob. Random Observation
Yes, that’s the one. Thanks.
Their propagandists were desperately trying to flog that zombie meme again a few months ago. With all Birther ploys of smear desperation, I’m sure we’ll see it that dead horse trotted out several times again, between now and the election.
They have repeatedly demonstrated that there is no depths of swill that they won’t try to throw against the wall, in futile hopes of getting something to stick….and that they will simply wait a few weeks or months and then rethrow the same cr@p that fell on the floor against the wall again and again and again….
They, apparently, never heard of “the boy who cried wolf”. If there ever were a real thing to be worried about no one would believe them.
I can confidently assure you that, if there ever is a real Presidential eligibility “problem” …. the current crop of birthers will be the last people on earth to discover it, or acknowledge it. This ridiculously overdrawn case of very selective prosecution tells you everything you need to know. Their springboard is political preference, not objective fact.
Why is it they take all other politicians word regarding said politicians’ citizenship?
I am SURE it has nothing to do with skin color…
I completely agree!
Both that particular tale and imagery of Chicken Little running around claiming that the “sky is falling” repeatedly come to mind, when dealing with the Birtheristani.
LOL! You make a great point there…
You mean like with Rubio, Jindal, and Santorum? You must be joking right?
Why is that so hard to believe?? After all, Obama did write “King Obama” in the cement at Punahou school:
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/11/obama%E2%80%99s-narrative/
http://obamarecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ObamaKing.jpg
You can show tens of thousands of demands for Rubio, Jindal, or Santorum’s vault birth records or tens of thousands of examples calling them frauds and usurpers, or vile comments about their relatives or tens of thousands of references of forgery, fraud and malfeasance against the state officials from their places of birth?
You can show websites dedicated to spreading and repeating debunked lies and misinformation about Rubio, Jindal, or Santorum or a list of attorneys losing over a hundred times in court challenging their citizenships?
You can cite demands for their public execution or angry cowards claiming they will assassinate Rubio, Jindal, or Santorum as you can see here for the President of the U.S. and his family at viletweets.com?
You can do that? You must be joking, right?
You’ve cracked the case.
Very interesting article. Thanks.
Yes, I had them in mind when composing that post. How tasty was the bait? Dind’t think anyone would come along to take it. Thank you, for sharpening my point! 😀
Oh, and you forgot Romney.
To go further, I can confidently say they would be last to find a legitimate problem, because 1) many of them are solely focused on Obama, 2) others who are birthing on anything that moves are too busy with imagined problems, and 3) no birther has demonstrated an ability to objectively prove anything, much less put a well-reasoned, documented case together. To do so, you’ve got to keep your horse before the cart, subjugate fears and desire to reality and reason, and, most importantly, save the composition of your conclusion until the research is done.
Birtherism would be a much better deception if they could have refined their lurid dreams for say, 2 yrs, and unleashed a more polished crazy on the world. By jumping the gun for 4 years, constantly cracking eggs before they hatch, they’ve allowed themselves to be picked apart piece by piece. Seriously, every time a birther has a thought, it’s like a rerun of Welcome Back, Kotter around here! “Ooooh, oooooh, oooh! What about this one? What about this wo-o-o-o-on?!?” Really, if 2012 birtherism had been launched onto an unsuspecting world, it’d take, like, days, maybe even a week to thoroughly respond.
I know, I know, it was urgent. A scary man was rolling to the White House. You had to throw anything handy in his path, like when running from Jason in a Friday the 13th. See above about keeping fear in check. And chill out. Have a little faith in the system.
That was an interesting note, tho not for reasons you intended! Telling that your only takeaway was the two word phrase “King Obama” LOL!
Lots of kids say they want to be President, want to be the boss, be king of the hill, etc. You were a kid once, right? Wanting to be in charge is a natural childlike response to feelings of powerlessness.
Apparently I have missed all of the ballot challenges which have been filed to keep Santorum out of the Republican primaries.
Bah. Has it been examined by a forensic concrete expert? Besides, it has layers…
Or young scamp Barry Obama and his friend George King wrote both their names in wet concrete, as kids often do.
Not to mention that NOT ONE of the Republican candidates has PROVEN his eligibility to Birfer standards. No Birth Certificates. no Selective Service cards, no school records, Passports, NOTHING.
Birfers are obviously only interested in establishing a standard to which ONLY President Obama will be subjected. Hypocritical partisan racist scum, every one.
And to pile on, in case JJ missed it, the claim was that birthers would be the last to recognize a legitimate eligibility problem! That he jerked his knee all over the default “we birf all over everyone defense”, trotting out a string of bogus “problems” that are supposed to smokescreen birtherism, was a great way to start the day! 😀
Ironicly, Santorums grandfather who he refers to on the campaign trail was *drum roll* a communist. Not a pretend safe nie fake commie that says hello to a poor person and wants better healthcare, but a true red commie that faught the facists in Italy and members of the Communist party. And his cousins are *shock* LIBERAL COMMUNISTS!!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-communist-clan-113600418.html
I am waiting for the wall to wall coverage of this