Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii released this statement:
The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-arizona-the-birther-plot-plays-on/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)
President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.
Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.
We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.
Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.
Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Courtesy of AZFamily.com.
That owns so hard, that I want to go outside and punch the first minivan I see, just to watch it die! Oh this is gonna be soooooooo good when WND tries to spin this.
If Zullo ever goes back to the Aloha State, he might get more than just another sunburn.
Isn’t a “Hawaiian sunburn” a euphemism for “an ass beating”? If not, it should be. At least in Zullo’s case.
Additionally, I loved the way the “Arizona Republic” newspaper in Phoenix framed yesterday’s press conference within the context of a “wag the dog” operation by Sheriff Arpaio in anticipation of his federal civil rights violations trial which begins tomorrow.
Hey Andrew, I’m starting to think “mountain of evidence”, as applied to the Cold Case Posse’s output, is a big steaming euphemism, too.
That statement should be copied and pasted on every birther discussion thread across the internet.
There’s your win, birther bigots.
Wrap your tiny, paranoid, xenophobic minds around that for awhile.
Sounds like its time to whip out the Rid-X.
AGREED !!!
I am so glad the AsstAG did that!
Except that birthers don’t trust the government, at least not on this issue. Many seem to believe that there is an ongoing conspiracy between the states and all three branches of federal government to cover up the “truth” of President Obama’s background. I doubt that this declaration by the AG’s office, as powerful and clear as it is, will satisfy them in the least.
Of course it won’t.
They simply *can’t* be satisfied by anything that doesn’t conform to their pre-existing confirmation biases.
Any result other than “guility” and “hang him until dead” is simply not acceptable and therefore can’t be trusted, in their little hate-filled petty minds.
Oh gee, I wonder why WND and ORYR aren’t falling all over themselves to report this new piece of evidence! I mean if they really are about getting to the truth of the matter…
Say, where’s Birfer John? He needs his nose rubbed in this, but good.
Arthur: Except that birthers don’t trust the government
then why did arpaio call on congress?
however, “congress” members from arpaio’s state don’t seem to be interested:
3TV reached out to both Senators John McCain (R) Arizona and Jon Kyl (R) Arizona, as well as at least six U.S. Representatives from Arizona, but none of them wanted to comment on the MCSO “birther” findings.
Well, how ORYR has handled things in this latest non-event is quite telling:
There have been extreme delays from when an article has gone up to when any comments on it show up…and even now, there is only a paltry number of responses being shown on the Arpaio presser articles.
That’s a fairly clear sign of disappointment, within the fragile Cult of Birther, for this latest EPIC FAIL dud…
Doc, you need to check the link to the DOH website. It takes me to an Outlook Web Access (OWA) website hosted by a Microsoft Exchange email server. I doubt that page belongs to the DOH.
LINK:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
LINK location:
https://owa1.postoffice.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=eda86f9fc414474984777cdd03bde9b7&URL=http%3a%2f%2fhawaii.gov%2fhealth%2fvital-records%2fobama.html
On Car Talk, a running gag when they unveil the new puzzler for the week is for Ray to talk about how much or how little obfuscation he had to do to the original entry submitted by a listener. It implies that there’s a processing step in which a clearly explained riddle is made more difficult through some parsing of words and additional clues and red herrings.
I imagine this is the process that new evidence refuting birtherism goes through when it goes through WorldNetDaily.
And because it wouldn’t be WND without adding at least one ball faced lie, They’ll probably add something about how Obama invented a strain of super-cancer-aids, which he used to threaten all of Hawaii with.
Thanks. It’s fixed now.
“When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.”
Does anyone not see the sheer deception and ridiculousness in this reply? Its easy to believe this actually came from a special assistant to the Hawaii Ag, it is full of weasel words and means nothing, if HDOH released it to whom did they release it and is it the same as posted on the net? Why quote the Washington Post and not the HDOH or AG’s office? Why not simply have the Hawaii AG to confirm the BC sent to the WH is the same one the WH posted on the net? The WH made it public, now for the AG to not verify it is irresponsible and troubling. It still looks like a hot potato and apparently nobody wants to get caught when the music stops.
So what statute was in place in 1955 (which is before 1961)?
I noticed the press vilified Zullo et all for their background and motive, what is Mr Wisch’s background?
It was purposely written that way so that everyone except knuckle-dragging, treasonous, intellectually deficient dipsticks suffering from recto-cranial prolapse will understand it perfectly.
So I understand your confusion.
They have verified it in their response to Arizona Sec of State Bennett. You can find it on this very site.
They released it to the only person authorized to receive it, Barack Obama (through his authorized agents).
There are no weasel words. The President was born in Hawaii, where his parents lived, just like I was born where my parents lived and you were born where your parents lived and Doc was born where his paren ts lived. That’s where kids tend to be born. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
There is no deception and no “weasel words” here. There responses have been quite clear, detailed and fairly forceful.
Instead of living within the self-deception in your head, why don’t you actually venture out and read their very own OFFICIAL site, which has all of this clearly documented and easy to find:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
But you won’t. You’d rather wrap yourself in your bitter pretend web of lies and ignore reality…
It looks like Magic Bullet’s claims…
Are nothing but…
*puts on shades*
Smoke and mirrors.
…. or some hefty moderation. I don’t read ORYR. Any Obot comments showing up? If not’s it’s moderation. WND has been blowing up, with persistent presence of Obots whipping the groupthink into a frenzy. It’s like watching antibodies froth around foreign bodies! 😉
I guess you haven’t checked the State of Hawaii website, linked in the AG’s letter. They have the letters from Obama, his attorney, and the response by Hawaii’s Director of Health. They have been there since April 2011.
Why would the Hawaii Attorney General do that? He’s a lawyer. What does he know about birth certificates?
Nice move.
President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011,
Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in
Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies
Apparently everyone is making a leap of faith that the documents released to Ms Corley are the same as the WH posted on the net, what if they are not but were slightly changed? How would anyone in the public know?
Change your OR to and AND. 😉
It is always a moderated site. I would not say “hefty”, as they always allow a number of “Obot” comments through. But as of late, there has been a very increased delay from when an article goes up and when comments start appearing…and the comment count goes up in sudden batches.
Still, considering that recent Birther articles reporting on law suit events would easily garnish over 100+ comments fairly quickly, and that the crowd over there has been wetting their pants for months, in anticipation of Arpaio’s next speech….
…I’d say that the paltry 26 and 35 respective comments on the two related articles over there is an indication of EPIC FAIL on several levels…
The multiple endorsements and verifications provided by the State of Hawaii for just that purpose. Now, go ahead, imply that the gov’t of Hawaii is in on it. You know you want to, and we know you want to, and you know that we know that you know you want to.
I see …. maybe the rejection is picking up in birfer circles, and ORYR is finding itself having to moderate de birfers as well! LOL!
Um, because the issuing agency, the HI DOH, links to the White House scan of the documents…
They would only DO that if what is seen online MATCHES what they sent out. *DUH*
That isn’t a “leap of faith” at all. That is simple common sense. It is also the DEFAULT assumption to assume that a document released is the SAME as the document delivered. Situations where that doesn’t happen is a ABBERATION, not the common way things happen.
It takes a completely wacked-out fevered mind to make such an illogical “leap of faith” that the documents would differ… so sorry, but your irrational paranoia is at an unhealthy, unreasonable and possibly insane level.
Well, the Hawaii DOH would know. They have verified all the information. If you mean by slight changes that they were scanned to enhance legiibility, so what? Be specific, what MATERIAL changes do you believe were made that Hawaii wouldn’t notice? You do know what material means?
Also don’t forget the photos of the paper documents with the seal and everything.
And please, please, give me a credible story as to how and why Ms Dunham went to Kenya to have a baby. I am dying to hear a good story.
Thrifty July 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm Thrifty(Quote) # Why would the Hawaii Attorney General do that? He’s a lawyer. What does he know about birth certificates?
good question, what does he know, is this him?
http://www.legistorm.com/person/Joshua_A_Wisch/58217.html
I would describe it as stepping across a crack in the sidewalk rather than a “leap of faith.”
He is speaking for the Attorney General’s office, not for himself.
Um… no? That’s some guy who works for Hawaii Congresswoman Mazie Hirono.
I would describe it as stepping across a crack in the sidewalk rather than a “leap of faith.”
I’m not surprised.
I must complement you on yor research on the coding, it has peaked my interest and I will be following this issue, at first glance it looks to me like the posse made an error. I still am interested in fhe other fields with no corresponding codes and why was Obamas BC coded in the first place-or was it? The numbering process also needs more verification imo.
Um… no? That’s some guy who works for Hawaii Congresswoman Mazie Hirono
works or worked?
I don’t know. Why don’t you get the balls to actually contact and ask him yourself:
For more information, contact: Joshua Wisch. Special Assistant to the Attorney General. (808) 586-1284 joshua.a.wisch@hawaii.gov
Oh and please report back, with proof of your call, when you do.
…But we know you won’t. Folks like you are adverse to the truth, so you’ll lazily ask stupid question here, instead of doing the simple task of getting direct answers from the actual source…
So, he worked for a Congresswoman and then moved to the AG’s office. Is there something wrong with that?
You’re suggesting there is only one J.A. Wisch in the US? And if it is the same person?
Because they did. Either an “error” or a bald-faced lie.
Why don’t you actually read the whole 1961 document of those codes that Doc got through the FOIA request, and posted in a related article? Those answers are all in there:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/code-9-the-cold-case-posses-big-lie/#more-18905
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100438616/Vital-Statistics-Tape-File-Information-1960-1961-Natality-Tape-Files-for-the-United-States
G July 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm G(Quote) # I don’t know. Why don’t you get the balls to actually contact and ask him yourself:
nice comment does your mother know you talk like that?
http://www.legistorm.com/person/bio/58217/Joshua_A_Wisch.html
G
Why don’t you actually read the whole 1961 document of those codes that Doc got through the FOIA request, and posted in a related article? Those answers are all in there
I read it thats why I know what is missing.
Scientist July 18, 2012 at 8:55 pm Scientist(Quote) # magic bullet: Um… no? That’s some guy who works for Hawaii Congresswoman Mazie Hironoworks or worked?
So, he worked for a Congresswoman and then moved to the AG’s office. Is there something wrong with that?
probably nothing at all but why did the press villify and check backgrounds only on those questioning obamas bonafides?
Oooh… “balls” is too scary a word for you? Seriously? Grow up.
Nice attempt to dodge, and avoid doing the simple task of actually contacting the guy, to see if he is the same person as you linked.
For one, as others have pointed out, if that is the same guy as you noted, what is your point? That someone can move from one job to another in politics…? That he makes good money? Big Deal. That’s pretty typical and nothing unusual there. But as others have pointed out, it could be someone else with a similar name. Guess what, the world is full of people with similar names too… Again, BFD. Do you actually have a point here? You don’t seem to.
If you have *REAL* “questions” on the document he issued, then his official contact info – both phone and email, which I gave you, should be sufficient to directly answer your questions.
But you won’t actually do that, will you. No, you are just a bitter and lazy denialist and you don’t want actual answers from the only direct source that can give them to you.
Instead, you’d rather waste time with idle speculation and tantrums on the internet…
Who are you going to believe, a state government or a racist sheriff?
The press hasn’t villified anyone as far as I can see; they have simply ignored Arpaio’s circus. Arpaio has a long history prior to this birther crap, including his being sued by DOJ. Reasonable people can certainly posit a link between that and this sham of an investigation. Corsi has a long career as a smear merchant; notably he attacked someone who volunteered to go to Vietnam, when he could have easily gotten out of it (say by doing a mission in France) in order to re-elect someone who. at best, flew some planes around the southern US. Should that not be noted?
So, what do you have on Mr Wisch, besides that he worked as a congressional staffer?
I *DID* read it. I don’t see anything “missing” that is relevant. THAT is the manual. That’s it. If you don’t see something in there, then it probably doesn’t exist.
You haven’t clarified what you “claim” is missing… but then again, you are only here to lazily whine like a baby and make specious claims, lacking substance…
There is a word for folks like you – blowhards. All talk (or in your case, concern troll crybabying) and no actual action. You exist merely to complain, not to do. Pathetic.
But you won’t actually do that, will you. No, you are just a bitter and lazy denialist and you don’t want actual answers from the only direct source that can give them to you.
You are making a false assumption, you don’t know what I have done to investigate this matter or who I have contacted and their responses or non responses. I have contacted AG’s office, HDOH, HOIP, etc ad infinitum and leave it at that.
A boo boo? An oopsie?
No. It’s a blatant lie by bigoted, small-minded political enemies who thrive on spreading peurile smears.
And it’s asinine and pathetic.
“President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.”
– Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii
“All of our Presidents have, to date, been born in the 50 states. Notably, President Obama was born in the state of Hawaii, and so is clearly a natural born citizen.”
– retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor
President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.”
– Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii
how does he know that?
I *DID* read it. I don’t see anything “missing” that is relevant. THAT is the manual. That’s it. If you don’t see something in there, then it probably doesn’t exist.
what is the coding for race of father or mother? what about occupations?
To help understand why they ignore common sense and logic and any data that supports Obama’s birth in Hawaii?
Simple… The smear job is clear to many. What do you think?
Maybe he’s seen the record. How do you know the President WASN’T born in Honolulu? Please show some evidence. Please provide a plausible story to explain why he was born somewhere other than where his parents lived. 4 years of birthers attacking Hawaii and no one has even tried to do that. Amazing…
So you claim… *rolls eyes*
Sorry, but you haven’t given any reason here for anyone to believe you. You’ve been wrong on so many things, that you’ve damaged your credibility right off the bat. Hence, why you are being treated like the disingenous child that you come across as, and not with a typical adult conversation. Once you demonstrate you are capable of reason, maybe you’ll earn that.
So, you make yet another glib general dismissive statement in order to change the subject (one that you brought up by the way) and yet say nothing at all…
…So assuming you aren’t just lying again, I take it you simply didn’t like the answers they gave you, and therefore, as the petty denialist you are, pretend that they didn’t happen or aren’t “real”. You really have a tough time dealing with how the world actually is, don’t you???
Likely the same as for the child which is derived from the race of the parents. Simple logic. Makes sense after all.
We do know that the race of the mother was available.
Are you accusing Dr. Chiyome Fukino and former Governor Linda Lingle of malfeasance?
“It’s kind of ludicrous at this point,” Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.
No matter what state officials release on the issue, the “birthers” are going to question it, said Fukino. “They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated,” said Fukino. “The whole thing is silly.”
(excerpted from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/t/ex-hawaii-official-denounces-ludicrous-birther-claims/#.UAdkBo5Nk8c)
Because state officials with the knowledge and authority to say that told him so. *DUH*
He represents and official office and therefore is making official statements in that capacity. Therefore, what he has given out in that official capacity IS the official position of the AG’s office and therefore the state.
CLUE: His position matches up really, really well with ALL the official statements given so far, ESPECIALLY those from the OFFICIAL agency in charge of those records – the HI DOH – which happens to be the ONLY official agency with such authority. Can’t trump that.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
But hey, keep sticking your head in the sand and coming up with laughably pathetic excuses to remain in denial…
What have I been wrong on?-methinks its you projecting your wrongs
What have you been right on?
Instead of nitpicking at statements, outline your alternate scenario and then prove it. Simple
READ Doc C’s full article, including the comments, in which HE answers that very question.
Why are you so lazy and incapable of doing anything for yourself? Oh that’s right – because you can’t deal with the answers you are given… so you have to pretend to have not heard them and go bother others instead of going to the source, in desperate hopes that they might not know, and then can be snookered by your pretend speculative fantasy excuses…
HINT: As Doc C explained (and he DOES have the personal experience to know these things – he spent his career in that field), there appears to be only ONE race coding chart, applied to ALL. No other is indicated or deemed necessary.
If you have an actual serious question about occupation codes, than go on that thread and ASK HIM. Stop being disingenuous and wasting others time. I mean really, how desperate to pick at inconsequential and irrelevant nits can you get?
You’re simply desperate to come up with meaningless trivial matters that don’t amount to anything and don’t in anyway lead to a conclusion of fraud, NOR override the authority of the official HI DOH and the state of HI, which has been quite clear and adamant on these issues. That pretty much definitively TRUMPS the whole issue. No ifs, ands or butts. Sorry, game over. It has been for awhile.
Oh the irony..
I guess its happy hour with a special on Kool-Aid.
How badly brain-damaged are you?
He probably knows it the same way as most people know things, by using their brains and evaluating the evidence he is given. Oh dear, I see your problem. Your brain couldn’t out-think a hula hoop.
Grow up or find yourself a nice padded room where you can suck your thumb, play with your teddy bears and dream of an all-white America where no uppity blacks have ideas above their station. A country where you can say “show us your papers boy” and then shout “these are forged”.
Your kind disgust me.
Well, for starters:
Considering that the reply did confirm JUST THAT, as the HI DOH site has also clearly done, for well over a year. So the confirmation are right there in front of your face…yet you seem to dense to comprehend and grasp that. So that is wrongheaded at best, but really just wrong in my book.
Then you move to this:
Which again, is wrongheaded…as you are trying to disingenuously IMPLY that the document received is or would be different from the document sent. Which again, flies in the face of not only common sense, but more importantly, the long documented statements from the HI DOH website, which link directly to the WH image in SUPPORT of that being the document they issued. HINT: If it differed, the HI DOH would “notice” that fairly quickly and would not link to it. The link IS the defacto endorsement of that document.
So again, you are wrong. I could go on and on, as every “question” you’ve posed is nothing but clear intentional Concern Trolling and using “weasel words” to pose your disingenuous, unreasonable and irrational “doubts” in a form of a “question”. It is the MO of craven concern trolls to speak in such a querious way…as they lack the balls to directly state what they merely try to insidiously imply…
So yeah, we see through your lame schtick and have since you appeared. You think you’re the first Concern Troll to pop up here and try such weak tactics? Puh-lease.
The only one playing pathetic games and projecting here is you. As the stink of your insincere inquiries comes across so strong in all your posts, there has been no need to treat you like a reasonable or honest adult.
Thus, you have been given appropriately harsh responses that call you out for what you are and what you are weakly attempting to pull. Grow up, do your homework first, and learn to pose real credible questions, if you wish to be treated seriously.
Bullet,
How do you personally know that any of the previous presidents were American born? You DON’T know this personally because you were not personally present at their birth. All you and I can rely on are verifications from authorised people.
Have you always been paranoid?
So you’re basically just another twit who’s been harassing average people in their conduct of day-to-day administrative functions because you have a psychological problem. And you think that’s an accomplishment because you’re pathetic.
But by all means, feel pleased with yourself. Delusion is the magic juice for folks like you.
Having fun poking people are you? What will you do with yourself for another 4 years of President Obama?
I believe a person is born where his parents live, you believe a cockamamie story. I belive when a state issues and verifies a birth certificate that ends the matter. So what are YOU drinking?
It doesn’t matter what you have done.
You’re a racist idiot. END. OF. GAME.
Here’s the deal. President Obama is the sitting President, fairly elected in 2008. Nobody successfully challenged his eligibility to be the POTUS after the election , so he was sworn in and is the POTUS. SInce he has not changed in the intervening period, and intends to run for President this year, he is assumed by most people to still be eligigble, and 138 state-level ballot challenges (count them) have already been disallowed or dismissed, in addition to numerous other court rulings.
This means that as I type this, Barack Obama is eligible to be the POTUS and run for the position of POTUS again. He has been declared (not assumed) to be eligible by courts and legal forums all over the country. A lot of those decisions flow from signed certifications from the State of Hawaii that Barack Obama was born in the USA, which, under the “Full Faith and Credit” clause of the Constitution, are treated as fact across the entire USA.
The way that the legal system works in this case is that if you want to prove that he is not eligible, the burden of proof rests with you, not the President or his surrogates. You have to produce compelling evidence that a court will review, subject that evidence to examination, including cross-examinations and reviews by experts (real experts, not self-proclaimed experts) and convince the court that the evidence proves that Barack Obama is not eligible. Note the word “compelling” in the previous sentence. Hearsay, unspecific allegations about defects in documents that are copies or electronic facsimiles of the originals, and assertions do not constitute compelling evidence as far as a court is concerned.
Nothing produced by the Cold Case Posse is new, and all if has already been previously analyzed and proved to be explicable or, in some cases, downright falsified.
Unlike some of the commenters here, I am extending the principle of charity here, and I am not assuming that you are a bloviating idiot. However, if you all you continue to do is to throw around non-specific allegations sourced from utterly discredited people and teams, and, when challenged, resort to stupidities including words like “kool-aid” I will have to conclude that you are indeed a bloviating idiot.
Over to you. Where is your properly structured well argued case, based on compelling evidence?
There are far too many two and three syllable words in that post. Magic Bullet won’t understand a good chunk of that. Plus, it is chock full of logic and common sense, which will only serve to enrage and confuse him further. Careful with that! According to an old rerun of “Strangers with Candy”, the mentally retarded become very dangerous when enraged.
In this vein, I just finished *The Impeachment of Abraham Lincoln,* which I recommend in its own right, but also as a very nice study of all the various kinds of things we discuss here, particularly that nexus of evidence vs. politics vs. conspiracy vs. appearance vs. …
Thanks for taking a mimute to reply without calling me an idiot, racist or any of other assorted names. How people can do that without knowing one thing about a poster is incredible and shows their immaturity and closed mind.
I just posted a comment on the Special Assistant to the AG of Hawaiii’s press release. Take a close look at it. It is misleading when you look at it with an open mind. Why on earth does a AG assistant quote an OPINION article in the Washington Post instead of making a direct statement himself? Why because he is weasling and speaking like a politician not a public relations officer. Also he did not address the 1955-1982 ease in which one can obtain a Hawaiin BC with a “witness” he sidestepped it talking about after 1982. By not addressing it he leaves us with the impression that it is true. The rest of his comments are certainly not compelling and not evidence that the BC given to the WH is the same one posted online, or that it has been proven valid only that it matches records on file.
When you look at what a special assistant releases to counter evidence of fraud certainly you must question his lack of clarity and facts. He quotes an OPINION piece and he gets my OPINION which is his news release was not fit to print, a fifth grader would have done better but then again they would be reporting the facts.
As far as my beliefs about Obama’s eligibility or birth, I have not arrived at a conclusion, but am going where the evidence leads. It leads to too many inconcistencies, lost documents and a repeated failure of Obama and many near him to tell the simple truth about anything. Take for example Fast and Furious is anyone who questions that a racist? How could it be, over 300 Mexican citizens were killed with weapons supplied by people under Obama, who are the racists?
So you’re “going where the evidence leads”? Which evidence? It can’t be the evidence that Obama is eligible, because that evidence is right there in the body of the original post that Doc put up!
In fact, if the evidence that the President is eligible were a snake, it would have bit you in the face, lived a long full life, and even had enough time to write a section in its memoirs about how this one time it bit some guy in the face, all the while you would still be “going where the evidence leads”.
Don’t let these obots confuse you with their lies: the documents are obviously not the same! One is a piece of paper and the other is a compumator file for Chrissake. They were not only slightly but completely changed, from paper to 1s and 0s!
Boy, are you ever desperate to chase meaningless rabbit holes towards nowhere!
Just what exactly would that particular 1955-1982 timeframe of BC’s have in common with Obama’s birth situation?
HINT: NONE. So why is some irrelevant scenario even worth a mention?
As Obama’s BC clearly states, he was born IN a hospital, located in Honolulu, HI.
So, you are wasting time arguing about inapplicalbe scenarios.
Besides – as ALL statutes have said (and HI officials have constantly repeated, anyone born OUTSIDE the US, who gets a BC later, would have that FOREIGN PLACE OF BIRTH listed *ON* the certificate. Further, as has been mentioned here, that is NOT unique to HI. That is fairly common and similar throughout the states. AZ in particular.
*DUH* What part of that are you too ignorant to grasp???
Obviously, you are stuck on stupid and have severe reading comprehension problems.
Before he gets to quoting the Washington Times, which you seem to be pissing your pants about, he specifically states this:
“The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). ”
Sorry, but that is NOT opinion. That is FACT. Further, that is the OFFICIAL source and at that OFFICIAL source, they clearly VOUCH for the authenticity of that document, REPEATEDLY.
…But that doesn’t fit your pre-conceived fevered dreams of ill-will towards the president, now does it? So, you keep DISHONESTLY ignoring it.
But you have NOTHING that can trump or get around that OFFICIAL position. So your tantrums are phoney and hollow. End of story.
No kidding, G!
The way I see it, if someone refuses to take the official word of the state, they really have no interest in the truth. Really starting to think that Magic Bullet is a few grains short of a cartridge!
Typical irrelevant argument that has ZERO to do with the topical issue of Presidential eligibility.
Again, you simply reveal your true ODS-based motives. You’re “curiousity” claims are complete bunk. You never had and have NO intentions of voting for Obama, regardless. You simply are looking for endless excuses to sling poo.
You have nothing more than a gut-level irrational hatred that obsessively drives you… So stop trying to pretend. You are not fooling anyone here. Go find a brainless Birther site, where there are lots of gullible pinheads eager to swallow your swallop.
Agreed! That is the epitome of DENIALISM at work…
There simply is ZERO higher official authority on such matters, so it is pointless to treat people seriously or with anything other than abject contempt, when they exhibit such levels of utter irrationalism…
So, then should all BC’s from AZ be suspect too? You have up to a year after the birth to register it in AZ. In fact, all 50 states have some statute to allow that and have had them for years. Since, you know, babies don’t always wait till it’s convenient to be born and come during the middle of blizzards, blackouts, floodings, etc. So, I guess that makes your BC suspect too. Or, didn’t you realize that?
Exactly! LOL!
These morons never think through the actual kooky implications of their speculative insinuations…
Just when I thought it was safe to turn the irony meter back on … !
Take it from an incurable rambler: get an editor!
What “ease”? This is more baseless birther silliness. No evidence for it in specimen or statute.
This late in the game, really? Really? The faux open mind positioning ploy was worn thin long ago.
Ah, yes, the conclusion you haven’t reached. Always follows the positioning statement. Hey, there, bub, show some conviction! Don’t evade, don’t blame-shift, don’t weasel! Take an active voice.
Conspiracy chips, can’t have just one! F&F qualifies as an Obama Conspiracy theory, but you can find more discussion of it elsewhere. From this tidbit, I see you are habitually paranoid, and resultingly, dead freakin’ wrong on all things related to something you don’t want to accept. Check the calendar. It’s been 3.7 years. Move it along.
Read what the AG said again, more carefully. He said the statute that Arpaio’s crew is referencing was not enacted until 1982, so it could not possibly apply to Obama’s BC as he was born in1962. Even if it did apply, and it doesn’t, the location of the actual birth would be on the BC, not a location in HI.
He also says Obama was born in HI, as reflected on his BC, which can be viewed via a link on HI’s Dept of Health site.
So, the law which Arpaio says makes Obama’s BC fishy or whatever, was not in effect until 21 years after Obama was born. Even if it had been in place, his BC would show where he was actually born, it would not state HI. The AG provides a link to the HI Dept of Health, where they say how the copies of the BC were made, who picked them up, and says it can be viewed on the Whitehouse’s website. If that were not enough for you, and I cannot fathom why it would not be, there are also two Verifications, available for viewing onilne, which say that the copies of the BC (printed from the WH site), match the original records in on file in HI.
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96221269/HI-DOH-Official-Verification-of-President-Obama-s-Hawaiian-Birth
“We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website
I remain in awe of folks like “magic bullet”.
You can see all the reason and logic and common sense you guys are throwing at him soak into his mind like water into granite.
I have no idea what exactly is wrong with him, but it’s a fascinating phenomenon. It’s like a Turing test but in reverse.
Not only is Obama your legitimately elected President, but he will remain your President until the end of his term, and likely will further be reelected to serve another four years. Chew on this.
At the risk of being rude, let me say, “Who cares what your conclusion is?” Let’s pretend that I had real time video from 1961 of Stanley Ann Dunham walking in to Kapiolani Hospital with a big sign out front and showing the actual delivery and 4,765 experts all pronounced it 100% genuine. Would you vote for Obama then? The answer, I am very confident, is no. So your opinion is of 0 interest. Not trying to be mean, just stating a fact.
Every birth certificate is based on a witness. My father’s certificate was witnessed by his mother. President Obama’s was was witnessed by Dr. David A. Sinclair. There is no reason to comment on this because there is nothing unusual to comment on.
In your desperate need to find something to justify your birther delusions, you cannot see what is in front of you. Obama was born in a Honolulu hospital, delivered by a doctor. Whatever else you may find or imagine in Hawaiian law does not erase this simple fact. You read between the lines and ignore the lines themselves — that is, you ignore the facts and rely on your imagination.
Actually, I can’t think of any court decision to date that flows from a Hawaiian certification. The defense (Obama) hasn’t submitted a birth certificate in any case, except Mississippi where they provided a readable copy in response to Taitz’ unreadable copy. That case is still pending. Most of the election challenges have been rejected for lack of standing or technical reasons.
I see you’re treating Joshua Wisch’s background the same way you treat Barack Obama’s birth certificate. You look at it, see mundane facts (Wisch worked as an aide for a Hawaii Congresswoman and now works with the Hawaii Attorney General’s office), and scream “evil!”
The point is that Zullo lied, saying that he had a 1961 instruction manual while showing a 1968 manual. Everything that follows from his fraudulent evidence is invalid.
Having spend 36 years working on medical and vital records systems that interface with the federal government, I can say as an expert that the race coding system is the same for child and parent. Occupation codes are unknown for ’61, and as such no conclusions can be drawn from them.
Uh no, the deception is only in your imagination, so we can’t see it.
When I went fishing last week, the earthworms squirmed when I cut them for bait too. The rest of us see that you ignore the plain meaning of the statement, and are desperately trying to justify discounting it. It’s an extreme case of confirmation bias where all evidence contrary to your deeply-held beliefs is rejected or downplayed. But your evasion is quite transparent and we all see it.
Yeah, now that’s relevant and on topic. I’m amazed you can still breathe with your head so firmly wedged up inside Rush Limbaugh.
Did you know there are several anti-birther posters here who are Republicans and did not vote for and don’t support the President’s policies?
If the real issue is just eligibility and upholding the law, how many pro-Obama supporters are also birthers?
What’s the compelling evidence you have that the President wasn’t born in Hawaii?
Do you think WorldNetDaily is reporting the eligibility issue honestly and impartially?
What if there were no rhetorical questions?
No. The Fast and Furious situation has nothing to do with race. Birtherism does. There have been 43 United States presidents. Only one was ever attacked as being a foreigner and asked for a never ending trail of documentation to prove otherwise. You see that guy who’s being attacked as a foreigner? What does he have that none of the others had? Dark skin and an unusual name.
Birthers are fond of saying “you’re just calling us racists because we don’t like Obama”, then spouting off racist drivel. The thing about being racist is that it’s not like being fat or being a paraplegic or being black in that there is one discrete way of having that quality. Racism usually isn’t as overt as wearing a stupid hooded white robe and burning crosses on a guy’s lawn. It’s in your attitudes and how you express yourself. When a black man wins $25,000 on a lucky spin of the wheel on The Price is Right, and you say “That’s gonna buy him a lot of fried chicken and watermelon!”, that’s stupid and racist.
Yeah, the open interpretation of what defines racism can be open to abuse. But somehow I don’t think hectoring America’s first black president to prove he was born in America, then taking every bit of evidence he does provide and trying to poke holes in it with spurious logic, is an abuse of that definition.
It’s off topic, but let me say this: Mexican drug gangs had plenty of weapons before F&F and they would have plenty if F&F never existed. They have tons of money and can easily procure any weapons they want anywhere in the world.
If Americans care about the drug violence in Mexico, they have 2 choices: (1) Stop using drugs; (2) Legalize them and let Merck and Pfizer sell them. They fight with TV ads, not guns.
Because the public officials who are charged by the State of Hawaii with the legal responsibility for maintaining birth records have, in their official capacities, verified and certified that fact.
Look, if an original, authenticated, paper birth certificate from Hawaii isn’t enough to satisfy people like you, nothing will. It’s pointless for us to continue responding to you.
How does a pharmacist know how many pills go into a prescription?
How does a chef know when to take a roast out of the oven?
How does a parts inspector know to look for weakness in a part’s structural integrity?
Answer to all of the above: Because, it is their job!
Complement? This mean you’re adding to the reasearch? The word you were needing is compliment. Peaked your interest? This implies you interest peaked — reached a zenith — and then subsided. Piqued is the word you needed.
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magic bullet: Take for example Fast and Furious is anyone who questions that a racist? How could it be, over 300 Mexican citizens were killed with weapons supplied by people under Obama, who are the racists?
No. The Fast and Furious situation has nothing to do with race. Birtherism does. There have been 43 United States presidents. Only one was ever attacked as being a foreigner and asked for a never ending trail of documentation to prove otherwise. You see that guy who’s being attacked as a foreigner? What does he have that none of the others had? Dark skin and an unusual name.
Chester Arthur was questioned as to whether he was eligible.
Dwight Eisenhower was questioned as to his eligibility
George Romney was questioned as to his eligibility
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47608339/ns/politics/t/romneys-birth-certificate-evokes-his-fathers-controversy/
John McCain had his eligibility challenged
One of the first lawsuits challenging Barack Obama was filed by Philip Berg a democrat likely on behalf of Hillary Clinton
It looks like you see racists behind every shadow instead of realizing people only want the truth.
Why did it take so long for Obama to get his BC “released”? He let a decorated ‘Army Doctor go to prison when he could have released his BC earlier. What pray tell is his excuse for that? It is certainly not the actions of a Commander in Chief supporting his troops. What kind of person would allow that to happen then months later allow his BC to be released (only after extreme pressure from Trump) it sure makes his BC suspect and if it is a valid correct BC then he is just plainly an unfit Commander in Chief. There is no excuse for not coughing it up earlier if it is valid.
The promised most transparent administration in history is actually the least transparent administration. It has nothing to do with funny sounding names or skin color. Get over it.
Does it hurt your arm to keep grasping at straws the way you do?
“Why did it take so long for Obama to get his BC “released”? He let a decorated ‘Army Doctor go to prison when he could have released his BC earlier. What pray tell is his excuse for that? It is certainly not the actions of a Commander in Chief supporting his troops. What kind of person would allow that to happen then months later allow his BC to be released (only after extreme pressure from Trump) it sure makes his BC suspect and if it is a valid correct BC then he is just plainly an unfit Commander in Chief. There is no excuse for not coughing it up earlier if it is valid.”
Are you honestly this stupid? He released a copy of his birth certificate in 2008, the only candidate in memory to do so.
Yes, moron, the COLB is a legal birth certificate. I’ve gotten one just like it (different color, though) from my state of birth twice. It’s a database print out that can come in multiple forms, which is quite common in the modern world.
The foolish army doctor you cite, LTC Lakin, had no excuse for not knowing better, both in terms of the COLB and the fact that the legality of military orders is established by statute, not the President’s eligibility. He foolishly persisted in violating military law despite multiple warnings from superior officers and was punished accordingly. Indeed, LTC Lakin is such an idiot that he is now on record as stating he would dispute Obama’s eligibility even if he was born in Hawaii, having now sifted his goalposts ot the whole Vattel nonsense that has already been rejected by the courts multiple times.
Obama has since gone the extra mile and requested the state of Hawaii to release an authenticated copy of his original long form birth certificate. And people like you still carry on. So you’re either a racist or a fool. Take your pick.
And feel free to dislike the President’s policies. That’s your right as an American. But when you feel insufficiently capable of articulating that dislike without resorting to a pathetic crutch like birtherism, don’t expect to be taken seriously by thinking adults.
He did release it in 2008. Lakin just refused to accept it as real. Lakin tried to get a long form BC for his own daughter and couldn’t. So he knew what a short form from Hawaii looked like.
BTW, Lakin sealed his fate when he released those videos attempting to extort the CiC. That was long before the court martial.
magic bullet: He let a decorated ‘Army Doctor go to prison when he could have released his BC earlier.
magic bullet:
Just to remind you, as reported in “Stars and Stripes” in 2010, at his trail, Terry Lakin acknowledged that what he did was wrong and that his so-called supporters misled him:
“As part of their sentencing evidence, prosecutors played Lakin’s video for the jury. In it, he states that a president who is not a natural-born citizen ‘would subvert law and truth’ and demands that Obama ‘release your original, signed birth certificate — if you have one.'”
“During an hour of unsworn testimony, Lakin called that video an embarrassing mistake, brought on by pressure and poor advice from supposed supporters.
‘I would not do this again,’ he said. ‘It was a confusing time for me, and I was very emotional. I thought I was choosing the right path, and I did not.’
“Lakin said he still believes questions exist about the president’s eligibility for office, but he told jurors that disobeying Army orders to prove that point was a poor way to show his frustration about what he said was a lack of investigation into the issue.
“He told the jury he would do anything to salvage his Army career.
“‘I thought this was such an important question that I had to get an answer,’ he said. ‘I thought I was upholding the Army values by questioning this … but I was wrong.'”
http://www.stripes.com/news/birther-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-kicked-out-of-army-1.128924
So far the administration has been far more transparent. But the problem is that you will not accept any such evidence. It’s called confirmation bias.
As to Lakin, he decided to disobey lawful orders and paid for it appropriately. Time to hold those who took such foolish actions responsible and not pretend that it was our President who had released his COLB birth certificate, which showed the location of his birth to be on US soil, who caused Lakin’s problems.
Lakin tried to draw a line in the sand when he chose the direction of his actions and he was convicted for his foolishness.
Now they are reportedly changing their story to Hawaiian codes, but why then show the Federal manual from 1968, pretending that it was a document from 1961.
Have they no shame?
Why is Mitt Romney refusing to release his tax returns? He gave McCain 23 years worth, don’t the American people deserve 10 years? Romney’s own father released 12 years. Now before you tell me you hate Romney too, here is a simple fact-either he or Obama will be President for the next 4 years. that’s the reality
One released all taxes back to 2000, and 2 birth certificates validated by state officials (even if you don’t like the wording). His parents lived at least 2,000 miles from the nearest foreign country and their finances made travel essentially impossible.
The other has released 1 year of taxes, with 1 supposedly on the way. His birth certificate says “VOID” and no state official has verified it. His parents lived a few miles from a foreign country and owned a house there.
The choice is clear, my friend.
Oh puh-lease! Spare us your pathetic attempt at false equivalency here!
While there was a small amount of political trash talk and tabloid trash smear-mongering, NONE of those examples come anywhere close to the unpatriotic and shameful mess that is Birtherism towards Obama.
Where are the law suits and ballot challenges against any of those candidates? …*crickets*
So give it a rest. Your desperate attempts to feign cover for your personal derangement syndrome is pathetic and obvious to all.
Yeah, by the same group of nuts that also challenged Obama… some Birthers merely chose to cast a wider net. But this is the same camp of crazies we’re talking about here…
Another LIE from you. Other than wanting to “vote” for Hillary, just as every mere citizen has a right to, Berg had ZERO connection to her campaign. Hillary had NO direct ties to the silly PUMA movement that claimed to worship her. Just a bunch of internet cranks and whiners acting on their own accord, just like the Birthers. (Although the Birthers today have certain official GOP members as part of their group, particularly at the state levels).
Phil Berg had a long history of being a crazy conspiracy nut and filing frivolous law suits long before that. He’s one of those 9/11 Truther nuts too.
Clearly, not all Birthers are racists. But I would argue that they are ALL bigots. Whether that bigotry is based on race, religion, or ideology, it still fits under the classic definition of BIGOTRY. So yes, you are nothing but a bunch of bigots, paranoid kooks, and sham con artists with an agenda. Take your pick.
Furthermore, there IS a lot of overt racism expressed in the BIrther movement and anywhere that Birther comments appear. Yet you NEVER seem to hear any other Birther denounce any of those shameful and blatant racist statements at all.
Therefore, as the old saying goes: “When you lie down with dogs, you get fleas”. At this point, since you supposed “non-racist” Birthers seem to always turn a “blind eye” to the overt racism amongst your group, you ARE therefore implicitly supporting racists and can rightly be categorized as racist under the same broad brush.
Funny how you disingenuous clowns only seem to get upset when someone points out the racism or calls you racists, yet any overt expressions of racism itself doesn’t seem to offend you at all…
It didn’t. He released his COLB in May 2008. The ONLY presidential candidate EVER to do so by that point. It was NEVER a requirement.
The COLB is the OFFICIAL BC of HI. The LFBC was a special extraordinary measure and was not necessary. He personally chose to get one, that’s all.
Lakin is a fool and IMHO, a traitor to this country. He asked his chain of command and was GIVEN answers. Like the rest of you bitter malcontents, he simply REFUSED to accept the reality of the answers he was given.
He was NOT put in prison for his stupid and wrongheaded beliefs. He went to prison because he CHOSE to DISOBEY a deployment order, and therefore put the welfare of his unit in jeopardy. The entire trial and charges were explicitly focused on his failure to obey orders and deploy. He betrayed his military oath and therefore rightly paid the consequences.
He may have chosen to do such a foolish thing because of his stupid personal beliefs, but it is the act of betraying his orders, NOT his stupid beliefs themselves that got him in trouble. Obama had no connection to what happened to Lakin, except in Lakin’s pathetic and wrongheaded mind. He got what he deserved. If you ask me, he got off lightly. The military has a term for folks like him: Blue Falcon.
No it doesn’t. Not to any rational, thinking person. Again, you are simply struggling to come up with weak excuses and grasping at straws to justify your own pre-conceived irrational hate.
Your disingenuous tantrum about “transparency” is also an easily seen through red-herring. Government transparency refers to GOVERNMENT documents, NOT personal ones. By any real measure, Obama’s administration HAS been and continues to be MORE transparent than at least the previous several administrations before. Therefore that IS MORE transparency and you are a LIAR.
Just man up and be honest with yourself and others for once: You simply don’t like Obama, no matter what and won’t vote for him. *DUH* That’s all you have to say. No one cares otherwise and you have always been and continue to remain free to vote or not vote as you choose.
The problem is that bitter folks like you simply can’t deal with the reality in which the majority of the US voting population DID chose to elect him…and likely will again. Sorry, but that is simply how democracy works. Grow up and learn to deal with it.
No, that decorated Army Doctor let himself go to prison, by refusing the orders of his superior officer. There is no place for his sort in our military. I wouldn’t waste the time to spit on him. If you’re in our Armed Forces and you get an order, feel free to question it after the fact, but you damned well best follow it. Otherwise you are useless to the country you swore to serve and a danger to the men and women you’re serving with. Lakin got off easy, we used to shoot deserters. He is a disgrace to everyone who served before him, and our military is stronger for discharging him.
BINGO!
This case in particular is one where it should be noted that Chester A. Arthur came from Irish background in a time when being Irish was especially the target of bigotry.
True, and Eisenhower didn’t have a birth certificate. So he got a witness, his brother, to sign a statement where and when Eisenhower was born, and he got a delayed birth certificate. Everybody was satisfied.
Is the irony apparent?
I see Magic Bullet has moved past concern trolling and is now at stage 2: rattling off standard Birther talking points. Somehow I’ve grown skeptical of his claim that he’s just going where the evidence leads.
Gosh surprise, Magic is having a sad over EX-CON Lakin. Boo hoo. That’s what happens to TRAITORS.
Barack Obama released his birth certificate in 2008, before he was even elected.
Quiz time! Please fill in the following form with the year in which the following presidents or presidential candidates first released their birth certificates.
1) George W. Bush __________
2) Bill Clinton __________
3) Mitt Romney _________
4) Ronald Reagan __________
5) Rick Santorum ____________
6) John McCain _____________
7) Barack Obama _____________
8) Richard Nixon ______________
9) George H. W. Bush ___________
10) Rick Perry _____________
Take your time. Feel free to use notes, web searches, whatever you want.
You have anything… anything at all… to say about Romney’s Birth Certificate, which is incomplete, not officially issued or verified, and has “Void” all over it? A certificate the likes of which if it were BHO’s would have Birfoons salivating and yammering from coast to coast about how horrible it is?
Until you do, until you show that it isn’t just the Democratic candidate whose eligibility needs scrutiny, until you show a lack of a hypocritical, quisling double standard… until you express some dissatisfaction with Romney’s birth certificate… go away and don’t come back. It would mean you aren’t worth talking to.
That’s cute. Blaming Democrats even though every Birther since then has been a Republican. Next, do the one about how the Democrats founded the KKK and pursued racist laws to oppress black people after the Civil War.
Well since he’s a birther I suspect that all of the “evidence” that he’s willing to consider will lead him straight over a cliff.
Magic Bullet is sounding a lot like “NYC Huck” over on HuffPo.
WNutD will not spin it at all………..I can’t see that letter being printed ANYWHERE on there. It would make them look too stupid………..oops…….too late!!!
Why, the racist shuriff, of course!! And stop being ridiculous. Next time, give me a REAL choice, like whether I want to see the Unicorm in the woods behind your house, or the mermaid you have in your bathtub.
Signed,
a Dumb Ass Birther………/snark!