Taitz v. Elections Commission was scheduled to start at 10 AM this morning in Indianapolis, Judge S. K. Reid presiding, and to run for two hours. If you want the latest news, check RC Radio’s “Boots on Ground” report (this starts with September stuff, so skip to the end; I’ll change this link if it’s not correct). These should start appearing after the trial is over.
I’ll update this article when I have some news.
Updates:
- Trial still in progress at 12:42 pm.
- Orly Taitz case against Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio to attend trial in Indiana was docketed today.
- From Orly blog: “This is Huge! Over objections by the defense we were able to admit into evidence all of the exhibits and testimony showing forgery in Obama’s birth certificate. Proposed order will be submitted by TH, decision by Judge Reid will be coming in the near future!”
- Boots on the Ground report from A Legal Lohengrin at the Fogbow: “I arrived about 10 minutes late and missed the preliminaries of the dumbest legal proceeding I have ever attended.” Link to Part 1.
There is a little information filtering out. Irey, Strunk, and Papa testified (probably more). Hearing ended at 1:10 pm. The State’s Motion to Dismiss could not be ruled upon because Orly has not had time to respond to it. Both sides are to have proposed orders to the Judge by Thursday.
Reality Check will have eyewitness report on his radio show tonight at 7:30 Eastern Time.
My take on what I’ve seen so far is that this is a replay of Farrar v. Obama in Georgia before Judge Malihi, only with the defense objecting to everything (e.g. Felicito Papa not qualified as expert).
Read more:
I predict Orly’s performance will contain “Let me feeeeeeeeeeenish! *screeeeeeeeech!*” no less than three times.
I’m also hoping for a bear on a unicycle, but that is just wishful thinking on my part.
It’s hard to imagine why this has been allowed to drag on for 3 hours.
12:42pm EST: HEARING STILL BEING ADJUDICATED (from Birther Report)
So – a hearing and not a trial ?
It’s not 3 hours. The 12:42 was reported as EST, not CST. (as reported on Facebook). I’m not sure where the original post came from though. Orly’s World has the post as follows:
“12:42pm EST: HEARING STILL BEING ADJUDICATED”
Indianapolis is on Eastern Time.
1:22pm EST:
From “Birther Headlines”
It’s not CST? Then I’ve been misinformed. Sorry, I honestly don’t pay attention to Indiana timezone info. My apologies.
No problem. Indiana is quite confusing because the time zones are not consistent across the entire state.
1:22pm EST: <EYEWITNESS REPORT ROLLING IN SHORTLY.
http://birtherheadlines.blogspot.fr/2012/10/indiana-obama-removed-from-ballot.html
(the title seems to be misleading)
Here’s Orly’s breathless account, from her blog:
This is Huge! Over objections by the defense we were able to admit into evidence all of the exhibits and testimony showing forgery in Obama’s birth certificate. Proposed order will be submitted by TH, decision by Judge Reid will be coming in the near future!
Who is TH?
Thursday, I think,
Looks like the Fogbow “Boot on the Ground” has committed seppuko.
Yeah, looks like the whole site is down. DAMN YOU ORLY’S THUGS!@!#
2:00pm EST: 0 minute recess. New motion to vacate and dismiss jurisdiction
Under advisement
Strunk and papa allowed to testify
Joel as first chair objecting to absolutely everything and usually
Sustained
Papa not expert. May be over soon
http://birtherheadlines.blogspot.fr/2012/10/indiana-obama-removed-from-ballot.html
(the title seems to be misleading)
I can’t help but wonder if the judge, having seen Orly’s penchant for dripping and moaning about always being denied on a technicality, is just giving her enough meritorious rope to hang herself on?
Hi, Doc. Hi, all. Does anybody have that chat link? Thanks.
2:02pm EST: REPORT: 1:10 PM Hearing Over.
Last witness Irey. […]
Judge ended hearing in middle of defense cross examination.
Orders from all parties due by close of business Thursday.
http://birtherheadlines.blogspot.fr/2012/10/indiana-obama-removed-from-ballot.html
(the title seems to be misleading)
Got it.
http://birtherdebunkers.net/forum/index.php?/chat/
Now THIS is sweet…
Orly then got a five minute lecture maybe longer from the judge about complying with rules said she was now subject to the disciplinary actions of the Indiana Supreme Court she also admonished Black that he was responsible for her. At that point Black made an excuse that he had another matter to attend to and he made a hasty escape the court room.
Paul, that is old news. And Judge Rubberstamp-Reid does not really insist on complying with the rules as long as Orly is concerned. A birther on the bench ?
Oh wait — was that from the first hearing?
HA! Yeah, just figured that out
The Fogbow gets unstable and crashes when there are a lot of visitors. That’s what happened today.
http://birtherheadlines.blogspot.com/ is NOT a reliable source for information. It posts a lot of very old information without clearly labeling it as old. It tweets out “news” from months ago. It posts information that is blatantly wrong. There is a headline posted on there right now that says “Mississippi: Obama Birth Certificate Entered into Evidence” which is indisputably incorrect. That site is not the place to go for accurate and up-to-date information.
Thinker: I apologize for archival tweets. The vast majority of my tweets are new birther articles – most of which aren’t tweeted out by anyone but BirtherHeadlines.
Sometimes we get facts wrong. Please contact me on twitter or birtherheadlines@gmail.com with your concern and I promise to correct it.
I personally think Twitter should be for current things, not rebroadcasts of month-old archives. It’s Tweet noise. I have been told that the word “ARCHIVES” will be added in front of archive tweets, so that will help.
BirtherHeadlines aggregates birther stuff, and so you would not expect it to be any more accurate than the birthers it aggregates. It’s not intended to be a source of accurate information.
“Reality Check will have eyewitness report on his radio show tonight at 7:30.”
You sure, Doc? RCRadio page still says next show Tue 23rd. Also on RC FogBow thread, no notice of a show tonight.
Upon further reflection i’ve decided that I may remove the archive tweets all together. I have the utmost respect for the Doc, his reporting and site design and it would be a mistake for me not to listen. Again, if anyone has a concern regarding http://birtherheadlines.com/ or https://twitter.com/BirtherHeadline , please tweet me or email me at the address in my previous comment.
Hey — she let one of your comments through! I have to say: “THIS IS HUGE!”
And I have to agree that the transcripts are sure to be awesome.
(Do they ever enter judicial facepalms into the record?)
Well, they were able to testify. But the evidence will be as worthy as last time, when the empty table was shown to have a more solid case.
Reality Check Radio link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rcr/2012/10/22/rc-radio–indiana-hearing-special-time-730-pm-edt
I leave a few comments over at Orly’s blog. I know she reads them, even if they are rarely published. I worded this one in such a way I felt would get approved.
And it was true: I was really surprised by what I’ve heard so far. I will say that just getting a witness on the stand doesn’t mean that they got to say inadmissible things without objection. And I do think the transcript will be fascinating.
Thanks for the kind words and the consideration. I know from experience here that I try stuff, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. A good web site always takes into consideration what the visitors need. (This is why Orly’s site is what it is instead better.)
Your current event tweets are extremely useful to me, particularly to find out when something has happened on a birther site. I and I often look at the Twitter feed on my sidebar when looking for things to write about (Birther Headlines is one of the things that matches its filter).
The rain’s cleared up (at least for now) here on the peninsula, so it looks like we could have a game after all. RC Radio, game 7, and the debate; it’s a packed evening!
Thx Doc. I’m used to creating/modifying sites and just handing them over to the client. BirtherHeadlines is my first foray into running one full-time.
Florida or Michigan?
Valyria.
Daniel: I saw your avatar. The studio owner that I had a fling with, wears a ring with the triskelion.
Why are you a Republican? Conservatives detest paganism, and harass them. I am an honorary member of the Philadelphia Witches Circle, and everyone is an ultra-liberal.
Ted Haggard: “He moved the church to a strip mall. There was a bar, a liquor store, New Life Church, a massage parlor. His congregation spilled out and blocked the other businesses. He set up chairs in the alley. He strung up a banner: SIEGE THIS CITY FOR ME, signed JESUS. He assigned everyone in the church names from the phone book they were to pray for. He sent teams to pray in front of the homes of supposed witches—in one month, ten out of fifteen of his targets put their houses on the market. His congregation “prayer-walked” nearly every street of the city.”
http://www.rickross.com/reference/fundamentalists/fund196.html
As the birther fail parade comes to an end, it’s time to start casting the miniseries.
A first grade teacher says to her class, “I’m going to call out your names. When I say your name, I want you to say the first thing that pops into your head.
“Susie Smith?” – “I want a pony.”
“Bobby Brown?” – “I want a bicycle.”
“Sammy Stern?” – “I pledge a thousand dollars.”
Thank you. I’ll be here all week.
Well, I feel worse about our legal system today knowing that Taitz once again was able to bring the circus to town when her case should have been shut down on standing, jurisdiction, failure to state a claim, res judicata, collateral estoppel, etc.
Yes, it is entertaining, but it cost a shitload of $$ for the defense. For absolutely NO legal reason at all.
If you have ever sued or been sued or might engage in a suit or be sued, you’d understand.
Jude Reid is a complete and utter failure. Maybe she can room with Malihi in the nursing home when they reach that stage.
Boots on the Ground report from A Legal Lohengrin at the Fogbow: “I arrived about 10 minutes late and missed the preliminaries of the dumbest legal proceeding I have ever attended.” Link to Part 1.
priceless from doc’s link (part 2)
Reid: Nope, you don’t get to introduce evidence or testimony in rebuttal. Have you ever been in court before?
Reid: Orly, you’re really bad at this. I can’t grant you and injunction because you gave me no evidence why I should. All you gave was argument. Plaintiff had the burden, failed. All she gave was argument. There are rules to be followed, you don’t seem capable of following them, and all this is you trying to go around them.
Orly: I have new stuff…..
Reid: “Read the rules, I’m not hearing anything more, there are procedures…
Orly asked for trial date, expedited please.
Reid” There are procedures, I’m not going to pull a date out of the air right now.
Then came 2 or 3 minutes of lecturing Orly about now that she is Pro Hac Vice (not admitted in indiana) & she has to follow Indiana rules as set by Indiana Supreme Court. He old her again to read the rules.
Judge Reid interrupts her and delivers a series of stinging rebukes, stating that if Orly wants to accuse opposing counsel of dishonesty, she had best have some actual evidence and not a naked accusation. She states the court will not tolerate this kind of conduct, and cites Orly’s Rule 11 obligation not to advance such baseless attacks against opposing counsel. Judge asks Orly if she understands what she just said, and Orly meekly says yes.
Judge Reid informs her that she has just completely misstated the law, and that the period would be 15 days. She then states that Orly is clearly not “well-versed” in the Local Rules. She states that this appears to be a big problem with Orly.
Reid states that it is quite evident that Orly is not familiar with the laws, rules and procedures of Indiana, and that she has “grave concerns” about her competence to follow these rules.
Donna – just to clarify, I think that is from the September hearing not todays.
sorry
YOU ARE CORRECT – i clicked on the link and landed there without “skipping to the end”
thanks –
Just some insight into Judge Reid:
http://www.bilerico.com/2006/11/nonpartisan_jud.php here is her endorsing a political candidate, a known “hack” ( http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2006/12/one-political-hack-out-another.html ).
This is the kind of ruling she has been known to make: https://ourtaxdollarsatwork.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/crazed-marion-county-indiana-judge-s-k-reid-orders-newspaper-to-disclose-identity-of-anonymous-web-commenters/ ( leading to this outcome: http://theunrulyoflaw.blogspot.com/2012/02/update-ind-appeals-court-asks-trial.html )
In other words, this seems to be the kind of judge which might give Orly what she wants. Not saying she will. Probably won’t. But there is a 1/100 chance something crazy might go on here.
from the ditz:
Press release-Evidence of forgery in Obama’s birth certificate was admitted into evidence at trial, decision by the court is expected shortly
Today a trial was conducted in Indianapolis Indiana on the issue of Daclaratory relief and injunctive relief due to Obama’s use of forged Birth Certificate, Selective Service Certificate and a fraudulently obtained Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425.
Presiding Judge is a superior court Judge Sherry K. Reid. For the Plaintiffs appeared attorneys Orly Taitz and local Indiana counsel Greg Black. For the defense appeared Deputy Attorney General Kenneth Joel and Deputy attorney general Jefferson Garn.
Over an extremely rigorous objection by the defense, Judge Reid admitted into evidence exhibits and testimony of witnesses Paul Irey and Felicito Papa.
Mr. Papa testified that he graduated from the Indiana Institute of Technology had some 20 years of experience with Adobe Illustrator program. He testified that Obama”s birth certificate opened in Adobe illustrator in 9 layers, which means that this is a document, which underwent computer manipulation. Mr. Papa testified that it cannot be a genuine document, as in 1961 there was no Adobe Illustrator. Birth certificates in 1961 were created not on the computer, but with a typewriter. He stated his opinion that this is a forgery. His exhibits, showing layers within the document, were admitted into evidence.
Mr. Paul Irey testified that he has 57 years of experience working for NSA and later advertising, typesetting and computer graphics programs.
Mr. Irey testified that Obama’s alleged birth certificate is a computer generated forgery.
Mr. Irey had a large board with exhibits, where he showed enlargements of all the letters in Obama’s birth certificate. He vividly demonstrated that letters came from different typesetting, which in itself is a proof of forgery.
Additionally Mr. Irey testified that when a document is printed with a typewriter, the spaces between the letters are the same, however in Obama’s birth certificate the spacing varies, which is a sign of forgery.
Mr. Irey also testified that there is a white halo around letters in Obama’s birth certificate, which can exist oly as a result of computer manipulation. Mr. Irey testified that Obama’s birth certificate is a computer generated forgery.
Decision by the court is expected within a week.
I’d love to see Xerox or Adobe on the stand testifying that scanning a document could directly result in the layered output they’re claiming is a forgery, then suing the plaintiffs for court costs.
Orly’s “experts” would be saying “We had no idea machines today performed this type of scanning out of the box…”
Yes, Grandpa. there have been wondrous advances in this brave new “digital” age. Yes, Grandpa, you’re right, older is better, and what the heck good is a typer-writer you hafta plug into the wall? We have yet to seen how all this stuff will pan out.
As was observed back in the GA in the afterglow of The Empty Chair’s advent, these things resolve themselves much quickly when unopposed, are allowed to play themselves out, in the end the implosion is all the same.
Someone noted here that, had the chair been manned in GA, they would have been obligated to object to literally everything.
…. as was reportedly done today.
I was messing with some of the birthers at ORYR, telling them that when the judge throws this one out, that is it for them, and that their only hope to prosecute Obama, is if he gets reelected. Otherwise he is an untouchable private citizen.
I completely pulled that out of my ass, but those idiots will probably believe it. I like to make my own fun.
And we already know in advance what that decision will be. The judge ended the trial in the middle of the defense cross-examination of Paul Irey. If the judge ruled for the plaintiffs, this would be immediate and obvious reversible error, so she’s not going to rule for the plaintiffs.
I was very much reminded of the Farrar case in Georgia, with the objections I wish had been made then that were made this time, and yes it would have dragged things out enormously. In both Atlanta and Indianapolis, the Judge seemed to let things get out of control, and failed to act decisively in court. I expect that the case will be dismissed because the trial was too error-prone to be decided on the merits.
That’s funny! 😀
“Mr. Papa testified that it cannot be a genuine document, as in 1961 there was no Adobe Illustrator. Birth certificates in 1961 were created not on the computer, but with a typewriter. He stated his opinion that this is a forgery. His exhibits, showing layers within the document, were admitted into evidence.”
*facepalm*
It’s amazing how Orly wasted her valuable “trial” with nonsense like that. She’s waited for her “trial” for years and now she lets her squirrel testify that the PDF isn’t the original BC? Amazing. The only people dumber than her are her followers who actually cheer for her “brilliant legal moves”…
I took this apart on WND more than a year ago, up to the point where Irey conceded my points (while maintaining his other letter examples were correct), then turned into enraged name-calling when I kept dissecting his other examples.
Both Malihi and Reid acted like a US equivalent of a Juge de Paix – introduced in France in 1790, then copied all over Western Europe, but now only exists in Belgium and Switzerland. Basically anything can happen at the court of a Juge de paix, because the Juge is not bound by procedural rules but by the obligation to help the plaintiff find legal redress and to find compromise and thus avoid having to make a legal verdict him or herself. There are jokes about fivorce cases where the couple is arguing over a cat or a parrot and the Juge de Paix summoning the animal as a witness. (You cannot translate Juge de Paix as Justice of the Peace, since the Juge de Paix is a professional lawyer with a real degree and only deals with small claims. Small Claims Court Judge is a better translation)
But the Juge de Paix system is anathema to Common Law practices. You cannot turn an American court into a circus with the Judge as the ringleader.
Malihi had a triple excuse: he’s an administrative judge, his advice was not binding on Kemp and he knew that a superior court would probably rule his “trial” legally void, as actually happened.
And now that the Orly poo has disappeared from the books in Georgia, part of it gets into the Indiana books through Reid. And the only way to get rid of it all, is for Reid to rule that the trial she herself ordered and oversaw should have been dismissed.
I am starting to think that like with the anonymous blogger ruling she will find some wanky loophole to not dismiss the case and rule on the merits, AGAINST Taitz of course,
Reid will be added to the Orleako. No sympathy orr commiseration from me, however.
Which is a good thing. I, for one, am not in favour of bashing the judge. I welcome anything that even the most deluded birther will accept was a “trial on the merits” so that persistent “we’re always thrown out on procedural grounds” meme dies its deserved death.
I’ve always said, once an actual trial shows them how ridiculous their “experts” and their “evidence” are, it gets much harder for them to cling to their delusions. And thus only makes birtherism less and less appealing to anyone slightly more moderate and sane than them. I.e. it would even convince many far out right wingers that birtherism is a dead end.
By interrupting the “trial” amidst the cross-examination of Irey Judge Rubberstamp-Reid has left herself no other way than to dismiss.
She has shown that she knows at least the basics of law and will surely know the principles of “due process” (other than Dr. Orly).
Just like the Supreme Court who will hear a defendant only when there is a chance of prevailing for the plaintiff the Judge has shown that for her decision it is not necessary to hear the defendants. (But I may be wrong, of course).
“Orly asks the defense to stipulate to make all the objections at the end, because we’re running out of time and they just keep objecting.
Judge Reid says that’s not how it works. It’s trial and objections are made and ruled on at the time they are made. She then sets ground rules on who can talk, stating that Black and Orly are “double-teaming” the defendants. From now on, Orly will do the examinations and Black will respond to the evidentiary arguments.
Judge Reid then sustains the objection.
Orly then begins testifying, stating what Strunk has said or is going to say, and Judge Reid says “I don’t need testimony from you.” Surprisingly, Orly doesn’t leap into the witness stand and declare herself a witness. That worked so well for her last time in Georgia.”
So, Orly thinks objections are just a nuisance that can be dispensed with? LMAO!
Commenters at the Fogbow use the concept of OrlyLaw to codify such beliefs. OrlyLaw is fairly well-developed with many principles enumerated; however, the underlying principle of OrlyLaw is that whatever is good for Orly is law and whatever is not good for Orly is criminal.
Part 4 is up. – http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=8329#p432984
I watched “Suing the Devil” recently, both because it was a courtroom drama and because it had Malcolm McDowell in it.
Basically, it’s a Christian propaganda stunt with terrible clichés, including one particular “top lawyer” for the defense named “Mr. In-your-face” whose only contribution to the trial was to yell “OB-JEC-TION” every other minute – until the judge finally silenced him.
I suppose Orly watched all the wrong movies preparing for her “trial of the century”…
Having read the Motion to Dismiss, I think it is obvious that the judge will have to dismiss the case. Judges don’t make rulings when they know they will be overturned on appeal. For some reason she wanted to hold this trial, but eventually she will have to dismiss.
I might add that NO news outlet is covering this, at least those that Google covers.
Dr. Conspiracy
Look to what I posted above. I don’t think she gives a damn if it is over-ruled or if she is told off. Her history in the past shows this.
Indiana Ballot Challenge: 9/26/2012 Official Court Transcript
Jack Ryan’s Scribd has it, thanks to Friends of Fogbow.
It takes a while, but we will have the official court transcript of yesterday’s hearing when it becomes available.
Listen to a discussion from last night at Reality Check Radio featuring Fogbow’s court observer, A Legal Lohengrin.
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=24377#more-24377
http://www.scribd.com/doc/110880435/IN-Taitz-2012-09-26-HEARING-TRANSCRIPT
Hey, Doc!
No sitting judge would even seriously contemplate, let alone expose their professional reputation to, the mushroom cloud of legal absurdities which roil up out of any Orly Taitz attack on sanity, masquerading as a legal exercise of our courts. The fall-out would be career-destroying for the judge if that judge indulged such abuses and allowed them to prevail legally over traditional courtroom procedures.
Those of us who have followed Orly’s antics for a few years have become somewhat used to her excesses and watch in appalled fascination as her slapstick comedy troupe wanders in and out of courtrooms, demonstrating for example, that for legal purposes, they don’t even know what “evidence” or “an expert” actually is. She is to us, an inane, Obama-hating, self-centered, jibberish-squawking, SCOTUS-justice-stalking Constitutional dentist.
But this is a new card in the deck for the judge. Her courtroom suddenly is nominally full of a band of lunatics righteously presuming that their hatred for Obama, expressed as ludicrously declared legal certainties unsupported by any compelling evidence, makes the requirement that a judge must order Obama to be frog-marched out of the White, a foregone conclusion. The judge has loved ones and these bent-mission-bent people are crazy. “Crazy” and mass-shootings often go together these days.
The judge might reason thusly: It is quickly apparent that Orly understands little about the law. Why not make her think she HAS had her daze in court? There will be no serious review from above; the legal absurdities won’t be allowed to prevail.
In effect, an insane torch-bearing mob has come demanding the removal of a sitting President of the United States, and the judge is disarming them by officially “receiving” binders full of non-evidence, preparatory to dismissing the case for literally ANY NUMBER of legal reasons.
I don’t always Fogbow, but when I do, it’s worth the trip. This time around I was very much enjoying everyone’s new (presumably REEEKO-inspired) avatars, featuring various mobsters, hooligans and ne’er-do-wells.
…and then I got to RC’s av. 🙂
(Omigosh, it gets even funnier! I just did a google search for REEEKO before clicking submit, and guess what picture shows up?!)
Based on the response of Hawaii to Colorado, it is no longer even necessary to produce “expert” witnesses. Hawaii already refused to verify the White House doc. We can also go back to public information provided from Fukino, who has seen the real document twice, and described it as half-handwritten. Why use the experts, who are drawing inferences, when the solid facts are available for anyone who cares to look? We get that O was born in Hawaii according to the document on file. Just show us the real deal if you want another 4 years.
Has Romney shown “the real deal”? Is he not running for the same job? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
What version of reality do you live in? Hawaii has repeatedly verified the birth certificate as far back as Dr Fukino to fuddy and even Onaka did a verification twice now specifically talking about the information on the white house PDF. He showed the real deal you just don’t accept it
Mitt hasn’t shown us the real deal on anything ever since he was Governor he’s flip flopped repeatedly his positions. Even between the 2nd and 3rd debate he flip flopped.
Love it when birfers cue that one up and infer that the “real deal” must be precisely 50% typed, 50% penmanship.
You know that if they could travel back in time and watch Obama’s birth and the production of his BC and watch over it for the following 50 years to ensure there has been no tampering, the would still pop up and insist that the pre-printed parts fo the form must also be included in this calculation. “Ha! The real BC is only 20% handwritten. Why is Fukino lying? What is being hidden from the American people?”
Not to mention the “rest” of the birth record, the part recording demographics. Taken as a whole, it could be 80% handwritten. 😛
In all cases, this meme is 100% dumbass.
Are birthers really still stuck on that? It was explained almost as soon as it was brought up. GregH must be new to this. Next he’ll be asking about the term “African American” on the BC.