The conspiracy grows
I got the link from a pretty messed-up article at Orly’s place, “ObamaNazi regime is sensoring (sic) everything, including the new ‘aider and Abetter Central’ (sic) Tracy is asking the public to ad (sic) the names of people they suspect to be accomplices of ObamaNazi regime.” Orly, never one to respect private emails, identified “Tracy” as the creator of the new web site, UnslaveAmerica. Apparently this wasn’t meant as a secret, because Tracy Fair’s well-known online persona, KenyanBornObama, is the Twitter feed on the site and it links to the documents in her birther lawsuit in Maryland that name her.
The “sensoring” part is a claim that Tracy’s emails promoting her site are bouncing, but not the one to Orly. Here’s a puzzle for Tracy: If the “ObamaNazi” regime is trying to prevent Tracy getting the word out about her web site, and Tracy lists me as one of the “aider and Abettors” of that regime, then how can I be promoting the site in an article here? It’s a pickle™.
Unslave America is the usual compilation of birther stuff, plus Federal Reserve and Illuminati conspiracy theories. It carries on one of Tracy’s themes, naming enemies; she does this on a page “Central aid and abet list.” The list contains the media and the federal government plus a Fogbow segment that is almost the same as the “Good” list here (another example of birthers reversing the meaning of good and evil). She links to her personal exposé videos that name names to go with the screen names. Others on her list are less likely candidates, including Fox News, Bill O’Reilly and US Representative Steve King of Iowa.
Commenter strikefighter said something on this blog back in 2009 that is even more true today:
So, at this point, is there anybody, other than the birthers, who is not part of the conspiracy?
Clicking around looking for something new, I found a Mr. Hyde version of my Debunker’s Guide, called the “OBAMA INELIGIBILTY EVIDENCE DATABASE,” a compilation of Vattelist material. The challenge is often laid down to birthers to name one child born in the United States to alien parents that needed to be naturalized. This database has one, from the case of IN RE THENAULT 47 F.Supp. 952 (1942). The mother was a US Citizen and the father a French diplomat (hereby creating an exception under the 14th Amendment jurisdiction requirement). The Court ruled that the children could become naturalized US Citizens through through the petition of their mother according to the law regarding foreign-born children of US mothers in effect at the time. The Circuit Court said:
Although these children in a geographical sense were born within the United States, by virtue of the status of their father at that time, they became subject to the jurisdiction of the French Republic as effectively as though they were born within its territorial limits and outside those of the United States.
Unslave America also includes the ubiquitous birther PayPal donation button.
It’s a shame that Tracy doesn’t use her video and graphic skills for something that benefits people. Until that happens, I have a new entry for the Bad list, Unslave America.
Does the site include a picture of Tracy, side view, wearing a cowboy hat … and a goatee?
I doubt it. The rules of Mirror universe doubles state that if the good version has a goatee, the evil version won’t.
(Sic) (sic) (sic). Orly was so right when she described it. That’s Tracy!
Oops. I kind of forgot that Doc already has a goatee.
Well, it’s always nice when a birther helps out with a real question. Namely, the Thenault case helps answer the question I was pondering about having only one parent who was a diplomat (the other parent being an American citizen). Has nothing to do with the President, of course, but nice to know.
Just fyi, I have it under good authority that such a list of abettors already has been made, kept in secret, continually updated, with video and various documentation, ready to use once the real Americans rise up and bring them to justice. So that after the New World Order starts taking control and killing people, these abettors will not be able to escape their culpability. They will get no assistance, no food, no support, and will be outlawed by the true Americans fighting for their country.
Per my inside source to crazy-ville.
I know my inside source prefers secrecy. That the real American rebels are preparing in secret. I think he would be supportive of Tracy, that this is good for the public side of things, but that he would still think that the real work is the secret stuff, and that the secret list will be the important one when the real conspiracy gets going.
Right now, my source has gone a bit more underground than usual, and my connection is problematic as it is (I do not enjoy our conversations), but he did just say this kind of thing to me after Obama won.
Believe me, I worry about this man’s capabilities. He is an object lesson in the fine line between potential criminal and mere loon. He insists he will only take up arms in defense, once the New World Order attacks on American soil, which means never, so that is good at least.
That site is an assault on the eyes, and of course, the brain.
One of the oh-so-subtle images there says:
I immediately noted the informative precision of “one county alone,” so I figured between that and not actually having heard of this before (because: conspiracy!), that it might not be completely accurate.
The clickthrough is to the White House petition site. The petition is pretty much the same text, with marginally better punctuation.
A little poking around found that Politifact Ohio (conspiracy!) did a nice teardown of this, ultimately rating it “pants on fire.”
Short take: the “one county alone” in question is Wood County, where Obama got… 31,596 votes. Oh, so close…
The numbers and the original conspiracy theory that they spawned are: Wood County has 106,258 registered voters, but only 98,213 citizens over the age of 18. The reason, of course, is one discussed here before: the known issue of scrubbing voter rolls of no-longer-eligible voters.
If you’re familiar with the issue, it will not surprise you at all to learn that Wood County is the home of a large university (Bowling Green State University), meaning that lots of students register to vote and then move away without bothering to notify the elections board (would you?).
Thanks for clarifying that. The Star Trek allusion makes more sense now.
Paper:
the latest tea party darling is ted cruz who thinks he can become president
he was born in canada to an american mother and his father was a cuban immigrant during the cuban revolution –
I had to think about this one for a moment. This is not a case of “which parent controls” but rather of the fact that the children had a special status by treaty and/or international conventions. Because the child had a special status, recognized under US law, the child was exempt from US jurisdiction and therefore not born a citizen under the 14 Amendment. It is not that the children inherited their father’s allegiance, but that the law exempted them from US jurisdiction.
Right, but I was noodling something else. Cuban immigrant is different from foreign diplomat. My question that I had been attempting to research was about a child born here with one *diplomat* parent and one American citizen non-diplomat parent. If the parents, for instance, were both French living here while one was a diplomat, that is easy. But I was wondering about a diplomat who had a child here with an American citizen.
Not that it matters in current circumstances. Just that the only interesting part of birtherism is that it leads to some intriguing side roads, curious questions that in no way are helpful to birthers.
I worked at one office for several years, sporting a full, dark beard from the beginning. One day I showed up clean shaven. Receptionist walks up to me, stares at my face for a few seconds.
“Did you used to wear glasses?”
Probably not that uncommon a story, but I guess I can appreciate now how a beard or lack thereof doesn’t always register.
KBOA/Tracey has been spamming Amazon with unslaveamerica shout-outs. Now I know why! Thanks for the review, Doc.
Right. That is the interesting part. But I had wondered previously here on your blog, and tried to find some reference, about the situation where only one parent is a diplomat. Is the child under US or foreign jurisdiction if one parent is a diplomat and the other an American citizen? Especially, as in this case, if the American citizen is the mother. I had found suggestive but not definitive sources; however, this case is very clear. As you say, the law gives the child a special status. I just wasn’t clear about that status in such an instance as this.
An interesting distinction between “controlling” vs. “status.”
Where for Tracey Fail be haunting, must go and say hi….or something
People are helping Tracy out:
My uncle, a barber in PA (RIP), used to sell high-end toupees that were hand-made in Portugal. They took several months to complete. So when he fit a man and sent off the order he would tell the guy, “Ok, now go home and grow a mustache or beard.” Months later when the toupee arrived, he would do the final fitting and tell the guy, Ok, now shave before you go to work tomorrow.” Next day the guy goes to work in his new toupee, people say “You look different — what did you do?” He says “Oh, I shaved my beard”. They go “AhHAAAA! THAT’S IT!”
She’s been keeping a thread alive on the otherwise defuinct WTBC? discussion forum. She may be on other birther-related forums there … and the Politics Forum … I don’t check them regularly.
TrollerJack Osbourne pops in regularly too …. although he was too stunned to type for several days post-election. He regularly uses Doc and “Mr. Fogbow” as a dynamic duo of bogeymen.
Hermitian used to keep that place going. He disappearred just prior to the election, and hasn’t reared his deluded head since. …. although he has been caught lurking here at OCT 😉
I’m thinking this is like Nixon’s Enemies List. It was considered a slight if your name was left off it.
I heartily concur.
I can think of circumstances which might make the Thenault case less than definitive.
What if one parent is a foreign diplomat, the other is a U.S. citizen, but they are not married?
What if the mother is a U.S. citizen but she became pregnant after being raped by a foreign diplomat?
The State Department says that an American citizen spouse of a foreign diplomat does not have diplomatic immunity. “The family members of diplomatic agents enjoy no privileges or immunities if they are nationals of the United States.”
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/150546.pdf
Also, the State Department guidelines suggest that for a child to have diplomatic immunity, the child must be a member of the diplomat’s household. This would suggest that a newborn child might not fall under the Thenault ruling if the parents are unmarried and living apart or if the pregnancy resulted from rape.
Is this the “White Rose” stuff from a couple of months ago?
http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1275144554&postcount=29
Their fearless leader was in California.
“led by a team leader now located in California,”
While shaving this morning (it had been a few days), I almost left a goatee …. muahahahaha. Almost. Maybe I’ll switch to a black hat someday.
My emphasis added, a point de birfers miss. Like little kids crowing “Lookee! We found one!” … and comepletely missing the point. If fauxVattelism had any reality, there would be 1000s if not millions of such cases!
And, more importantly, this is a very specific cirsumstances, not a general case. No help to any birfer hyporhesis I’m aware of. Unless BO,Sr. has been promoted to diplomat in the birferverse?
I was working on a study of old civics books, some explained at length how, at the time, the citizenship of a man’s dependents flowed from his own citizenship…but them days have been over for a looooong time.
How do I get on that list?
That would be where the distinction Dr. C makes becomes key. Some of these variables change over time and culture. Thus, the status of the child at the time per the relevant law/treaty becomes the critical element.
I’ll only do the goatee thing, if I have a monocle.
Brilliant!
Maybe on the next update. She also needs to add: Sister Suzie, Brother John, Martin Luther, Phil and Don, Brother Michael, and Auntie Gin. Many doors into Teh Conspiracy will then be opened. Let ’em in!
Do not worry. You are on the list. This is just the public list for show. You are on the list that really matters. Take comfort.
I demand to see the ORIGINAL. No pdfs, no Excel files.
The child is a gift from the lord. Just ask Sanctorum.
“Tracy Fair’s well-known online persona, KenyanBornObama”
Tracy was born in Mexico, in the same village as George Romney.
Not until the NWO tries to take over America. Then you’ll know you are on the list once you come face to face with true American Patriots defending the country. Until then, it’s safe to assume you are. I know I am.
Keep in mind, this is not me talking. This is not my b.s. This is the b.s. from crazy-ville.
Next time you see the birther brigade accusing Democrats of stealing the election, kindly refer them to the following link.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Election-worker-indicted-in-ballot-tampering-case-181419041.html
A Republican election worker charged with election fraud. Ahem, who woulda thunk.
It’s well known that the GOP has been “in the tank” for Obama all along. (Look at their VP choices: what a giveaway!)
This was clearly a “false flag” operation where a GOP operative pretended to be tampering with ballots so as to make it look like the Democrats were posing as Republican poll workers so as to make it look like Obama wasn’t winning in order to, uh… .
I’ll come in again.
Yeah… where the heck are discussion groups on Amazon? I tried about 50 screens and gave up.
Oh frabulous day……
Mad old Orly is teaming up with the second worst lawyer in the Western world.
It may be true children, MOO is teaming up with The Toad
…http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=363860…
(Remember, is mad old Orly site so wear prophylactic protection)
So what happens when the illiterate conjoins with the the vomitude…?
Not shockingly, the birther conclusion on IN RE THENAULT 47 F.Supp. 952 (1942) is completely wrong. The holding is completely consistent with WKA wherein the two exceptions to NBC status for a child born on US soil include child born to diplomats.
Thank you, Dr. Who! I just posted that link to my favorite wingnut blog (FOTM), attached to a story with the headline: “What You Can Do About Vote Fraud – Let’s Do This, Patriots!!!!”
So sad, they still think if red-state Electoral College electors abstain from casting their votes, the election will be decided by the House of Reps… and, I suppose, rainbow-farting unicorns will then fill the skies. Funny how people whose main drive is to “protect the Constitution” seem to know so damn little about its contents!
I added this message: “I know it isn’t happening as fast as many of you would like, but you’ll be glad to see that indictments for voter fraud are indeed starting to come down.”
Still no sign of that post appearing, though. If it ever makes it through moderation, I’ll drink a pint of Glenn Beck’s “urine.”
So does that make the child a natural-born citizen of Heaven? I’d want to know more about the social safety net there.
I have been extremely lazy about shaving for the whole of the last year. I’ll shave one day then not again for a month or more. Beard comes and goes. Wife doesn’t complain, nobody else remarks. Sometimes I leave a goatee for a few weeks. Last time I shaved, I shaved off my goatee that I’d had for 2 months. I’ve now got a two weeks growth.
On the other hand, I have NEVER shaved off my mustache since my junior year in high school.
Retirement can be quite relaxing if you do it right.
Tracy Fair’s family could use her website as proof if they ever want her declared insane.
Well, at the risk of ruining your life and mind (some of them are complete mind wasters)….
Go to a product page … like, say, Where’s the Birth Certificate?
Scroll down to the bottom. You’ll see something about “See all 1023 discussions”
Clicking that goes to the discussion forum for the product:
http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/forum/Fx3O0GUS5OOQ7GV/-/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_hdp_fp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=1936488299
Believe it or not, it was the most active (product-related) discussion forum on Amazon from its release until the election. An 18-month run.
There are also links from there to general topic Forums …. politics, history, science, etc. Some of them are excellent. Amazing even. Some of them are festering cess pits of bile and denial (politics, science, religion).
If you search for “enemies list” within Google Images, most of what you see is about an alleged Obama enemies list, with the rare shout out to Nixon.
Reminded me of one of my early articles:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/white-hats-v-black-hats/
The link in the article no longer works since Orly switched to a new web site.
Didn’t Sean Connery have a list of people who could use a good pop in the mouth?
Thanks JP. I was trying to get to the general topic forums from the home page.
Can’t get there from here.
I left this comment on Orly’s article. Wonder what she’ll make of it.
We Obots are trying to keep Tracy’s site hidden, so I wrote up a nice article on it.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/11/birther-publishes-obama-accomplice-list/
This is an Alinsky tactic called “hiding in plain sight.”
Absolutely not! It’s a store. Like any good store, they want you to pass tons of merch on the way to your intended destination.
Shortest path is home page > your account > kindle forum
I want to be on record that I’m a part of the conspiracy.
There is also this statement by George Miller
“In the meantime, we are gathering the evidence, collecting names, documenting offenses, being The Resistance. We’ll need much of it later. This can come in handy when powerful forces eventually have had enough of him and his enablers and want to pull the plug, much as “Obama” did with Petraeus. I’m amazed it hasn’t already happened. Hopefully, it will be done relatively peacefully, legally and not chaotically and violently.”
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/cody-robert-judy-will-pursue-obamas-ineligibility-to-the-ends-of-the-earth-or-scotus-which-ever-comes-first
There’s some great comedy in some of the Amazon reviews
http://www.amazon.com/Funniest-Amazon-Product-Reviews/lm/RM0256CJKINZJ
http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/08/bic-for-her-pen-amazon-reviews/
That’s often one of the final phases for a conspiracy believer – an acknowledgement that he had realized all his actual efforts have been in vain, so he’s reduced to keeping a “naughty boy list” that he regularly … off over (pardon my French) imagining all the bad things he’d like to do to them “when judgment comes”.
For some years, I was following the antics of a very vocal crank in my country who started with believing a judge in his bankrupcty case falsified a document (hey, that sounds familiar! ;)), spent the next years battling ever increasing numbers of people (judges, attorneys, government employees) in court up to the European Court and ended up in our equivalent of the “sovereign citizen” movement, making lists of his “enemies” and sending them “death verdicts” in which he called himself Grand Prosecutor and Special Judge.
In other words, the primrose way down the rabbit hole, from “person who erroneously believed to have been wronged” to “total certified nutcase”. And dangerous to boot, the guy believed that the police was out to execute him and therefore kept a gun ready at all times (something highly unusual and mostly illegal in Germany) to “shoot at sight”; thankfully his guns were taken away before he could do any harm.
If Tracy lists my name, I will tell her all I know about Orly Taitz.
Me too. I’m trying to get this comment past her:
Clean house!
Unseat the Usurper!
Never surrender!
Take back our country!