Orly Taitz is serving her country, at least she is planning to serve the Electoral College, those 538 individuals who represent the 50 states of the United States in the election of the US President, with a lawsuit. She writes on her blog:
I brought the oral motion asking Judge Wingate to give me a leave of court to file a second amended complaint and bring the electoral college as an additional defendant. As far as I know it was never done in the U.S. history, nobody filed a legal actions against the electoral college, but then again nobody got into position of being on the verge of certification while using forged IDs. I will need help in research as to how I serve the electoral college.
Somehow I cannot imagine Judge Wingate giving Taitz leave to file a second amended complaint just as motions to dismiss the first amended complaint are in their final stages. Taitz doesn’t seem to plan her lawsuits. They are more like a stream of consciousness entities, morphing into whatever fits her stage of life and aimed at whoever is offending her today.
It boggles the mind to imagine the legal and Constitutional complexity of suing the Electoral College and Taitz is seeking input from the brightest and best of the intellectual bottom feeders, who at her blog fawn over her long string of losses, to figure it out for her. Clearly Taitz is not setting realistic goals.
You’d think her BFF Strunk would share his methods for attempting (and failing) to sue Electors. Yes, he failed. The NY AG remembered that Strunk was declared a vexatious litigant and shut him down. Strunk doesn’t understand that yet-he thinks he was spot-on in his latest filing and that he wound up the AG. Um, no. Shut down.
“I will need help in research as to how I serve the electoral college.”
She needs help – only she is not seeking the type she really needs.
I just hope the TV cameras are there to record the crack-up. Care to speculate about her husband’s thoughts?
Just identifying the electors will be a major problem, never mind getting them served. California publishes a list of electors, but they are identified only by name and city – no street addresses. I haven’t been able to find a list of New York’s electors.
Even if Orly were given permission to amend her Complaint, she would have only about four weeks to file it, properly serve 332 defendants, allow those defendants time to file answers, and hold a hearing on her request for an injunction. Complicating matters is the fact that the individual states are not required to present their Certificates of Ascertainment until December 11.
And if the Federal Court in Mississippi has no jurisdiction over the Hawaii defendants, how would it have jurisdiction over electors from the other 49 states?
As usual, Taitz has no idea what she is doing. She will have to make up a whole new branch of OrlyLaw for this. Given that there is a zero percent chance of her impacting the Electoral College, I’m kind of looking forward to seeing what she tries. This could be hilarious.
Given the legal education Orly received, I think she’s only qualified to sue the “mail-order electoral college.”
I couldn’t find the list for 2012, but I did find the one for 2008. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008-certificates/
For New York, the top state Dems (Governor, Lt Governor, Atoney General, Comptroller, Assembly Speaker) were electors and likely will be electors this year too. But beyond them, the rest of the names rom 2008 are people I never heard of and the same will likely be true for 2012.
There is another case(s) of somebody suing the electoral college in every state back around September. It has been less than successful.
In a recommended decision (later accepted) for Annamarie Last Name Uncertain, a/k/a Annamarie Riethmiller v. Electors For The State Of Maine, et al., the court said:
In Western Virginia, the dismissal included some familiar citations (to avoid moderation, I am leaving off the extra link, just search for the name and Western Virginia):
For this one, though she spouts eligibility as a reason, some of her eligibility theory involves something to do with psychiatrists, her husband and some, not sure where, connection to the President. I would not necessarily consider these as true birther cases as it appears the cases stem from a different cause.
Just for fun, let’s pretend Orly won and got the courts to forbid the electors from voting for Obama. The electors were elected and remain in place. They are Democrats, chosen by the party based on loyalty. They aren’t going to vote for Romney-in fact, after his recent foot-in-mouth remarks, there might be some Republicans who would have second thoughts about voting for him. So, the electors would simply vote for another Democrat. Most likely, they would elect Biden President and choose someone else (probably Hillary for VP).
Would Biden allow Obamacare to be repealed? No, he said it was a BFD when it was signed. Would he extend the Bush tax cuts on the rich? No, why would he when polls show that at least 60% are against that, which means even a sigiificant portion of Romney voters are against it? Would he invade Iran or Syria? There is no evidence that he disagrees with Obama on any major foreign policy decision.
So, what would Orly achieve?
I am looking forward to some television producer suddenly realizing this whole Orly Taitz story would make good situation comedy material. Think of the possibilities…..
She is determined to destroy anyone who is not a Likudnik, and anyone who agrees with Haaretz.
In the not-too-distant future she’ll be suing The Universe.
“I will need help in research as to how I serve the electoral college.”
Why does that sound ominous? Oh yeah,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI
I, for one, want to encourage Orly to throw all of her energy behind this effort. 😛
bgansel9 ” I, for one, want to encourage Orly to throw all of her energy behind this effort.
IMAGINE the sanctions awarded to the entire electoral college – we can only dream ………..
“Clearly Taitz is not setting realistic goals.”
She’s nearly run the table on that list … !
Well, at least she isn’t ‘appearing unemotional’…..yet…it this goes on long enough, she may shut down there as well, in a bout of psychological fit-throwing.
13 of 14 symptoms is a pretty good start.
One of the many hurdles which Orly faces is that the electors aren’t officially electors until they are certified by their respective states, and the certification is not required until December 11. Most states haven’t even certified the election results yet.
Nervana (sic)
Orly’s going to put the whole system on trial.
Well, I think she ought to go after the Speaker of the House John Boehner…that would be the one to stop the counting of the votes. Maybe the whole Republican leadership in the House? I mean it is the People’s House…go get em Orly!
Reading her posts and the comments are just beyond ridiculous. She’s basically asking anonymous people on the Internet “Hey, I want to sue the electoral college. How do I do that?” It’s like you have a heart attack and seeing your doctor over on WebMD asking “hey, how do I fix a heart?”
At this point, I think the only question is how long is it going to take for Orly to realize that things are going horribly, terribly wrong. My guess is that after the judge rules on the defense motion and her response she’ll be screeching about treason and adding him to her REEK-O case.
Yes, in effect, that is the aim of all of her Obama stalking legal actions. She is not a patriot and cares not an inkling for justice or the constitution. None of her targets are innocent until proven guilty – she condemns them summarily with accusations which prove only that she doesn’t even know what real evidence is.
She operates in our legal system as a would-be anarchist whose monkey-wrenching attempts to throw herself into our nation’s mechanisms of justice are blessedly burdened by an endless self-defeating reliance on her own confoundingly thorough legal incompetence. Indeed, defying conventional reliance on explosives, the image of Orly Taitz as a mop-haired, screeching anarchist in our courts, is compellingly suggested by a phrase she and her admiring dupe/follower/donors undoubtedly think flatters her – “She the Bomb!”
“I will need help in research as to how I serve the electoral college.”
Start at the Bursar’s Office. [bada-bing]
Taitz should serve them Orly Burgers.
Two stale buns, all onions and no meat.
Just another in the continuing series, “Why Birthers Aren’t Actually Serious”. Because if they were actually serious, they would have started long before now and would have worked to assemble the list of known electors. They would have given themselves enough time to either ask for, or sue to get the names of the ones they couldn’t find easily.
Instead, just like a failing student, they’ve waited till the last moment to research their birther term paper. And just like a failing student, they’re going to have to live with the F they get.
I find this hilarious because over on FR, back in 2008-9, angry that Mr. Obama was elected, then sworn in, it was “Just you wait, if Obama runs again, we’ll be ready and we’ll sue before the electoral college votes”. They were angry that they were told that they were too late, and they were gonna be ready.
Yeah, right. Here it is four years later and they’ve done not one thing. They’re talking just to hear their heads roar.
They’re angry, too. There’s a thread over there on the NBC tab titled, To all you Anti-Birthers who said we have to defeat Obama at the ballot box… It’s the biggest birther thread since the first week of September. Full of impotent rage, lots of childish name calling, accusations of “troll!”, and non-birthers saying, “I told ya so!”
Not to be missed schadenfreude for those who enjoy such things.
Even if, against all possible odds, and in spite of her inability to form a cogent thought or write a cohesive sentence, Orly manages to serve and sue the electoral college then what? Sues them to make them… do what? Not vote at all? Force them to become faithless electors? What is she suing them for?
It wouldn’t. Orly would have to somehow have a legal theory that would allow her to prevail in enough states with votes equal to more than half the elector’s votes, which she could never manage at this date, even if she had a sound legal theory to build on, which she doesn’t.
She’s got nothing, but that has never slowed her down in the past. I predict a lot of wheel spinning, a couple of thrown-out suits (maybe) and then she’ll move on to the next target. Repeat as needed.
By now you should have well realized that what a birther considers to be “standing” is actually their own perceived damage(s).
This is the party of feelings over facts.
If they believe success lies on the other side of pounding a round peg into a square hole, they will do so… and blame the hole for being the wrong shape while they try.
*head desk*
Its times like this that I wish we had stricter laws about letting criminally insane people run about in public. That woman needs put in a protective room, for the health and well being of everyone else.
case in point:
question: if a birfer suffers brain damage from obama derangement syndrome (i know, i know, ODS is actually a symptom of acute brain damage, but let’s just play along, shall we?), would that person be granted standing to prove the President’s eligibility?
For those who need to top up their personal strategic reserves of Birfoon tears, here is the link to the thread Zixi mentions.
Currently standing at 276 posts this has a rich seam of insanity and whine that bears much mining, hardly suprising considering it was started by the arch Bifoon DiogenesLamp,
Of course the usual cast of charcters are around including
Sven and his tale of Barry and The Pirates and a new phrase “Threat level: Midnight.”
The occassional reality based thread….
“Yeah, pursuing a Birther strategy would have worked out great. He wouldn’t have been removed, and we’d have lost about ten million more votes.” immediately has the author beinng outed as a sneaky stealth Obot
Much fun and mutual self hatred…
Unrelated, sorta, but similar story. I’m in college now as a returning student, studying programming. I’m also taking a Calculus class, purely for fun. My class, which started at 9 people at the beginning of the semester in late August, is now down to 3 people. There is one girl there who, earlier in the semester, mentioned that she had already taken and failed Calculus twice at another school, and was taking it at our community college. The credit would transfer and she would benefit from the smaller class size I guess. To her credit, she is one of the 3 remaining students. Yet at the same time she seems to skip 1 of our 3 weekly classes every week. I missed one class last month, on a relatively easy subject (differentials), and was hopelessly lost on that subject after that.
diogenesRump is the pompous birfoon windbag who insists that he’s a higher authority than all law ever written and all judges ever born. on that same thread he spouts:
one can already envision the perfect monument to such unequalled towering and timeless legal intellect …
Li’ll Doggie is the slightly less verbose Mario The Toad but equally delusional around how he’s right and every single other person in the world is wrong, wrong, wrong.
The fun part is you can see how desperately he’s trying not to scream “HE’S NOT ELIGIBLE HE’S BLACK !!!!!!!!”
I don’t know how a court could compel an elected body to vote or not vote a certain way. This would be equivalent to the Supreme Court striking down a bill in Congress that had not yet been voted into law, something which the Court has, to my knowledge, never done or even considered doing.
She should simply sue anyone & everyone who voted for Obama – what, only 55 million + people? How does she find out?
Simples – DISCOVERY! Subpoena all voters and ask “Who did you vote for?”
Then, she can prevent any votes for Obama from being counted! Should take what, 50-60 years?
It’s like a reverse class action suit – nothing like you’ve seen before!
62.6M voters.
Interesting idea ….. suing voters for having voted. Ballots were not always secret … oral voting used to be common! ….. interrogating the electorate after-the-fact seems very dystopic. Vindictive. Orlyllian. Perfect for Orly!
Given that she also claims massive voter fraud, she would have to sue far less, and possibly different, people by her own Bizarro world logic. I mean, she wouldn’t want to sue a Romney voter whose vote was “flipped”, now would she?
Piece of cake. Some nuts have no problem trying to turn the clock back 200 years, so why not turn the clock back to 2012 some time in 2070?
It might even be their only argument to undo the 2036 elections when the bisexual transgendered half-Betelgeusian cyborg Sonya Droon-F’loonorx (D-FL) wins by a landslide over the common WASP Adolf Jesus Schwarzengruber-Pope (R-TX).
They’ve been married a long, long time. She has a history of using the legal process to make life hell for other people. So her husband has to have known this about her for a long time. He’s either okay with it, or he deals with it – and her – by not paying attention to it – and possibly not to her, either.
They may have one of those marriages where the spouses lead more or less separate lives.
11/19 taitz: Darren Hankins has been making death threats against me time and again. I need someone in Concord, CA to go to the Sheriff’s department and show them all the death threats made by this man. I reported it al here to local police and FBI, they did not do a thing so far
Why Concord, CA?
I thought Haskins had disappearred. Is she literally dreaming up imaginary torment now? At least to now, all of her ravings started with at least a mustard seed of a factoid … which served as springboard for hysterical misinterpretations, distortions, and ravings.
If she’s graduated to getting worked up over mere memory …. has she run low on new stimuli (perceived persecutions)? Driving her fevered brain to dredge up old perceived slights?
Oh, wait … Darren Haskins.
Who the heck is Darren Haskins??? LOL
Has Orly ever met a human she could like? Or are they all oppressors?
No, Hankins. Gods, I can’t read today.
Orly whined, “this might be Darren Hankins from Concord CA, who harassed me…”
This might be a guy who harrassed me, so sic’em?
Thank gods she has so little influence, but it should be much less, and limited to a padded cell.
On the other hand, he has unwittingly admitted that all of us were taught in school that being born in the United States is sufficient (with some exceptions) to be a natural-born citizen.
Amazing. Orly thinks that any “someone” can go to the police in Concord and file a criminal complaint for her.
If you look up “delusional” in a dictionary you should see a photo of Orly.
Rickey: If you look up “delusional” in a dictionary you should see a photo of Orly.
she has SO MANY photos in the dictionary that she could use the dictionary as an advertisement while others can use it as a basis for her confinement in an in-patient facility
I wonder why Orly uses cheap product that obviously damages her hair and apparently owns one pair of shoes whose heels are worn down to a nub.
Typical behavior for various types of mental disturbance. She has no capacity for considering the perceptions of others—she couldn’t recognize them if she was cursed with telepathy!—and is no doubt OCD about a great many things.
Typical behavior for someone whose credit cards have been taken away.
That, too (imagine having your personal finances exposed to Orly–yikes!), but seriously, her appearance is the result of cultural, personal, social, and/or mental dysfunction.
Brilliant
ain’t that the truth? diogenesRump’s final dodge to avoid admitting total failure is to grudgingly concede obots are right after jumping in his time machine to declare an entire legal epoch wrong.
Orly Taitz Asks For Volunteers To Help Challenge Obama Reelection
Birther activist Orly Taitz has posted a call on her website for volunteers to help compile a list of state officials with whom she plans to file objections regarding President Barack Obama’s reelection.
Taitz also wrote that she fears courts not investigating her claims about Obama could lead to a “popular revolt” and states seceding.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/orly-taitz-volunteers-addresses_n_2160566.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Tangentially connected as it is about lunacy and the Electoral College AND our resident nut job “John”
Some thought Johnnie boy may in fact have outed himself as a troll, it seems the jury may still have to hold on with the verdict.
He has now popped up over at ORYR with his latest masterpiece around how they be gonna be nullifying that there ebil Electoral College vote……
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/can-obama-be-stopped-in-electoral-college.html
So she’s come full circle with one of the earliest birfer claims, “unless the courts do as we please, there will be civil war”?
I initially wondered how birthers would handle the objection that their “one third of states” argument is based on a misreading of the Constitution.
So far, I’ve seen two answers:
1) The ever-popular “STFU commie gay Marxist liberal”.
2) The claim that the “one third” meme does not really say what it says but instead refers to one third of states boycotting Congress’ session where the EC votes are to be certified. Then, according to the new meme, there could be an objection as to insufficient quorum, rendering Congress unable to certify the votes, forcing Obama’s presidency to run out on January 21st (or whatever the day is).
So basically a new meme related to the first (even more totally bogus) one.
That election CAN’T be undone; it is protected by an asymptotic temporal encryption.
In layman’s terms, you can’t get there from here.
You are not supposed to share that with the unwashed masses. Did your Sh’oonar’x handler not instruct you properly?
… and then what? assuming the boycott continues? there just isn’t a President? Or are they postualting the succession plan kicks in, devolving the Presidency onto Speaker Boehner (assuming he is again Speaker), skipping Biden as his term would have also ended?
If they haven’t gone there already, I suggest spoonfeeding them that morsel. Imagine their misguided joy!