Orly’s all in a huff over the Supreme Court not accepting her petition for a writ of certiorari. She has her FedEx receipts in hand but Supreme Court case analyst Traves says the Court’s computer system doesn’t show the package. It does show the initial petition, rejected because it was filed too late, not within 90 days of the final decision being appealed. Orly says it was in time, and I am sure that the facts of that can be worked out and any clerical error remedied.
Orly cites a history of her problems with the clerks of the court, or what she perceives as problems [Link to Taitz site], and then concludes that the only solution is for her to confront the justices in public, writing in her article titled:”Clerks are the fifth column, the gatekeepers, we need to find public appearances to confront justices of the supreme court with questions and demand answers in regards to lawlessness on the court.” [Link to Taitz web site] Personally, I don’t think that is a good idea.
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Personally, I don’t think that is a good idea.
As always Doc, you’re the master of the understatement.
Any Idea Orly has is a bad idea right out of the chute.
I believe the SCOTUS Clerks have prevented the birther issue from ever reaching the Justices. I would not be surprised if none of the Justices have ever even seen a birther petition in the last 4 years. If it doesn’t get past the Clerks reviewing the petition, the justices never see it
“Clerks are the fifth column, the gatekeepers, we need to find public appearances to confront justices of the supreme court with questions and demand answers in regards to lawlessness on the court.”
I don’t understand the metaphor. What are the other four columns? I’ve heard the press referred to as the fourth branch of government…. but that doesn’t work here because the judiciary is the third branch.
Personally, I don’t think that is a good idea.
I left a polite comment saying as much but, of course, she didn’t put it through moderation.
Notice that she doesn’t hunt down judges and “confront” them herself — she just wants to instigate trouble. Being repulsive is her only weapon.
This just means that we can add “fifth column” to the list of terms that Orly does not understand, but uses anyway.
I believe the idea is that the clerks are a fifth column in the classical politico-military sense, a subversive force which works from within to corrupt or taint. Historically, the use has nothing to do with the branches of government, but with the number of columns or legions sent to advance upon a foe while a last, hidden column attacked from within.
(Hi, all, by the way, been lurking and reading for a few weeks now, first post above. Glad to be of some help in clarification, Doc does Yeoman’s work, he and Foggy@TheFogbow are my heroes, yadda yadda, 🙂 )
Orly did not submit a petition for a writ of certiorari. She submitted something entirely different.
Welcome, and post away.
Orly is implying that the justices would see the righteousness of her carefully crafted ‘petitions’, if not for the danged clerks. Riiiiiiiiiight. The conflation of the concepts ‘gatekeeppers’ and ‘fifth column’ is an epic logic fail.
Confronting justices at public appearrances? Oy vey. If SCOTUS were so impressionable, what an unstable legal system we would have. She again here implies the justices are closeted, protected, isolated, out-of-touch. This is absolutely not the case. In the interest of not giving nutbags any ideas, I will say no more on that topic.
It’s never her fault.
Woah woah woah! Time out! Are you saying that Orly Taitz misunderstood something and made an error? That it was not corruption?
Look at all the places she supposedly copied her letter to!
Yes, I’m sure the UN will get right on this, Orly.
surely not… you’ll be saying that the Pope is catholic, next.
Or that the space pope is reptilian.
It is from the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. The Republicans in Madrid were surrounded by the rebels from every direction (south, north, east and west) hence 4 columns. The fifth columns were those rebels hidden inside Madrid ready to attack. Hence the term means an enemy hidden inside a place that is suppose to be safe.
Have you ever noticed that the two-citizen-parents-for-presidents-only concept was never once mentioned or discussed or taught in any US school textbook, US history book, or US legal textbook in our history?
Taitz vs. Supreme Court. I wonder what odds the bookies are giving on this battle?
“we need to find public appearances to confront justices of the supreme court with questions and demand answers in regards to lawlessness on the court.”
Didn’t she already try that on Justice Roberts way back in Orly Early Days? I don’t recall that working out so well for her.
Name one thing that has worked out well for her.
She has copied these international human rights agencies on numerous pleadings and letters yet she has never posted a single reply from any of them on her blog. I suspect she has never even received anything other than a form letter.
Speaking of which, doesn’t Roberts have a security detail now? Ever since he garnered a lot of hostility for his decision in the Obamacare ruling?
You think she even got that much? I doubt it. e-mails get cursory acknowledgments because they are free. Paper form letters are a luxury these days.
Besides, just imagine how gleeful she would be if the Int’l Criminal Court sent a response politely acknowledging the receipt of her jampacked Fedex Box’o’Fail, were “carefully evaluating her thoughtful submission”, and promised to “take appropriate action” in “a timely manner”.
She’d be on cloud nine!
Until the sand timer in her head ran down, and she decided they “were in on it, too”. Death to the ICC!
Actually she did back in 2009. Chief Justice Roberts was speaking in Idaho and she was in the audience, asked questions, and gave the Secret Service a box of papers she was trying to file.
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/john-roberts-orly-taitz-obama-taitz-confronts-chief-justice-chief-justice-roberts-speech-university-of-idaho-1984-big-brother-ministry-of-truth-obama-not-eligible-obama-not-natural-born-citi/
That’s easy. She married a rich guy who imported her into the US and puts up financially and socially with her insanity. After that, not so much.
She also stalked Justice Scalia,
http://www.wnd.com/2009/03/91345/
[Taitz] said, “I told Scalia that I was an attorney that filed Lightfoot v. Bowen that Chief Justice Roberts distributed for conference on Jan. 23 and now I represent nine state reps and 120 military officers, many of them high ranked, and I want to know if they will hear Quo Warranto and if they would hear it on original jurisdiction, if I bring Hawaii as an additional defendant to unseal the records and ascertain Obama’s legitimacy for presidency.”
Scalia’s now famous reply – “you need four for the argument.”
Drop your papers (I mean, comments) off with the security team (I mean, the open thread, where they belong), and we will review them (as much as Justice Roberts reviewed Taitz’s papers, or perhaps more so, or at least to same effect.)
Now THAT was a snappy retort.
She needs to find the keymaster.
Orly should send a hand written petition…..http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Gideon_petition_for_certiorari.jpg
The Supreme Court Police, not the Secret Service, provide security for SCOTUS and its justices:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_Police
Other federal courts are protected by the U.S. Marshals Service:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marshals_Service#Court_Security_Officers
Nuh-uh. We gotta keep the Gatekeeper and the Keymaster apart. Don’t want no Gozer running loose around here.
Better call somebody to help. But who?
Each justice has his or her own clerks, and it is the job of the clerks to weed out petitions which are frivolous or otherwise without merit. Nevertheless, the justices do not live in cocoons. They know about the birthers, yet not one justice has even called for a response to a birther petition.
You see, John, every person who ever took history and civics classes in the United States was taught that, with a few specific exceptions, everyone who was born in the United States is a natural born citizen. So neither the justices nor their clerks have any interest in the crackpot theories which the birthers have been peddling for the past four years.
Frankly John, the birthers are the most legally arrogant people I have ever seen. There is not a single birther who has accepted even the possibility that they are wrong. I have been around enough courts to know that some judges are corrupt. In Pennsylvania 2 judges were just sent to prison for taking kickbacks to send juveniles to a private “for profit” prison. So they people and sometimes bad people, so I accept the possibility that in isolated situations there can be a rogue judge.
But when you lose EVERY CASE without even one getting it is not and cannot be because EVERY JUDGE is corrupt, it is because your positions really are that weak. And yet the arrogance of birthers leads them to the conclusion that the “conspiracy” is ever expanding. You are constantly looking for the one “honest judge” willing to stand up to the “regime”.
I know that if I lost two hundred cases on the same theories I might want to consider at least the possibility that I was wrong.
Welcome to the forum, Ben!
As for Orly, she’s the type that will try and pound a square block into a round hole and then blame the block or hole when they don’t fit.
It’s never her. It’s always someone else.
Yoda: I know that if I lost two hundred cases on the same theories I might want to consider at least the possibility that I was wrong.
in the same vein, if i were a birther and saw that the “i’m winning” turns out to be a LOSER, it wouldn’t take me “two hundred cases” to figure out the birthers’ theories were wrong
just look at the attorneys prosecuting these cases – certainly NOT the high end of the legal community for the would be biggest case of fraud in the history of the world
Do you seriously believe that all 9 of the Supreme Court justices are oblivious to the existence of Birtherism?
I just love that John is not as aggressive and irritating as most Birthers, but is just cataclysmically stupid. It’s fun to have a reliable village idiot.
True, they are not, but then again, in general quack theories usually are created and argued by quack people. So it is a chicken and egg sort of thing.
I think Orly just conflated “fifth column” with “fourth estate,” and even that is misapplied; the only part of the analogy that survived the Cuisinart of her brain is “gatekeeper.”
This is unsurprising given her diaphanous grasp of other terms like “motion,” “timely,” “evidence,” and “standing.”
There is no Orly. There is only Zuul.
john: I believe the SCOTUS Clerks have prevented the birther issue from ever reaching the Justices. I would not be surprised if none of the Justices have ever even seen a birther petition in the last 4 years. If it doesn’t get past the Clerks reviewing the petition, the justices never see it
And John, you believe this is possible because the justices are all that clueless? All but one are elite graduates of the nation’s elite law schools. That one is also a graduate of an elite law school, but he wasn’t quite an elite student there.
Wouldn’t there have to be a unanimous conspiracy of at least a couple of generations of clever young law clerks, pulling the wool over the eyes of stodgy, foolish old justices?
Because these clerks serve a relatively short time before moving on to private practice or government service.
And one “honest clerk” would upset the entire applecart by passing on a birther petition to his employer. Conservative graduates of top law schools do get hired by SC justices, didn’t you know? So it is difficult to imagine how a solid wall of silence would keep birther petitions from the high court.
Of course, birther imaginations generally put to shame the White Queen in Lewis Carroll’s “Through the Looking Glass.” She, after all, boasted only of believing six impossible things before breakfast. I wouldn’t try to enumerate the impossible things birthers have declared their faith in, over the years.
I was going to make some snide retort, but in rereading the comment, I could not help but noticed that John said “I believe”. Though I believe him to be wrong, still, he did not state “it is believed,” and that is a start in the right direction.
The title of this article conjures the mental image of her standing in an arena wearing boxing gloves, as a very pissed off rhinoceros is rocketing towards her.
says orly: this is being worked on before final draft is sent to Anthony Kennedy in SCOTUS
FOR STAY/PETITION FOR A WRIT OF MANDAMUS TO STAY CERTIFICATION OF THE RESULTS OF 2012 CALIFORNIA GENERAL ELECTION FOR THE U.S. PRESIDENT AND FOR THE U.S. SENATE
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=364435
I “believe” this would be a start also.
What can I say? She’s the “Glass Joe” of the US legal system.
That should work out well for her. She claims that there are 1.5 million fraudulent voter registrations in California. But even if all of them voted (they didn’t), and even if all of them voted for Obama and Feinstein (they didn’t), it would have made no difference because Obama and Feinstein each carried California by more than 3 million votes.
That woman thrives on more self-induced punishment than all the Sado-masochists in the world combined.
Actually, right around the time President Obama was inaugurated the first time, birthers near and far were swearing up and down that those concepts were taught in civics class when they’d been in school.
After six months or so of various people claiming that they’d post a scan from their old books or would find a copy, it died down.
@Zixi
You still hear that one come up over at Freak Rethuglic periodically as well as WND and American Stinker. It had died out at ORYR although I expect it to recur as the censorship is starting to kick in again over their.
there’s a fogbow thread “school daze (how we learned our NBCs)” chasing that very unicorn.
Those few who didn’t conveniently “forget” they ever claimed that then modified their story to claim that “liberal teachers” have been teaching the “wrong” definition for at least 100 years now – as part of the huge conspiracy that was so powerful it could span centuries, yet so powerless it couldn’t manage a simple amendment that removes the NBC requirement (probably because such removal would’ve made millions march on Washington – or something).
She pulled that knavish trick at an aptly named place (Moscow, idaho). Surrounded by giggling students and then escorted to the door by security men, who also took possession of the pile of papers she called her dossier. To this day, she actually believes Chief Justice Roberts must have read those papers. But why doesn’t she then include the entire Supreme Court of that day in her RICO suits?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbl54phHfE8
Of course, if she were now to do that one again, she would have to use a wheelbarrow to bring in her dossier.
The one and only time I ever posted at Dr. Kate’s cesspool I mentioned that I couldn’t find a textbook which shows the two-citizen parent requirement but that I do have a conservative home-schooling textbook which says that “natural-born” and “native-born” are one and the same. My post made it through moderation but I was immediately banned.
Skunk!
Wow. So, none of the justices read the news, listen to the radio, watch TV, or have online accounts where they might see such things mentioned? None of their family has any of those things, either? Their friends? No one they know reads the news, has a radio, a TV, or goes online?
And when Orly confronted Chief Justice Roberts, was that really Justice Roberts’ body double? The real justice never spoke to Orly?
Seriously?
Birthers probably watched “Vantage Point” once too often. 😉
Maybe the supreme court justices are like the electors in the Electoral College. They’re kept in stasis in a vat of nutrient slime until it is time for them to go to their important work.
Rachel Maddow did a great report last night about how the conservative movement has morphed into a scam to defraud ignorant conservatives out of their money to line their pockets instead of being used to actually advance conservative ideas and policy.
This is what Orly is all about, scamming ignorant conservatives and nothing more.
We’ve been there before, rinse and repeat. See the secret societies of the 19th century, and the revivial of a particular one in 1915. More of the same since 1980 or so, this time televangelists and later the winger mediaverse.
I tried to read through her drivel, but I got tired of her bleating about how judges were being mean to her and other birthers, and it was frankly repetitive reading her self-serving rhetoric about her so-called ‘evidence’. Frankly, if she were half as good of a lawyer as she thinks she is, she’d be ten times as good as she actually is.
what is this warning?
I was going to copy the error message but then noticed, it appeared in your quote (at least in the editor). I noticed it around 5 today when I made the post about Orly’s IP trace issues. The error message was on my post, and then it wasn’t.
I think Orly is hacking Doc’s site…. Okay, that is just not plausible.
It moves. Seems to be randomly generated by the server when its building the page. I’ve sent a note to Doc with some screen captures. He hadn’t seen it when I reported it, I don’t know if it is showing on his screen or not.
A scripting error on Dr C’s blog related to the editing functionality for comments. Alternatively, the NSA has planted a tracker.
I am temporarily disabling the comment editor until I can figure out why all of a sudden it started throwing errors. I don’t speak PHP and hesitate to try to hack it myself. I’ve left a comment at the support forum for the plug-in.
When I log out, I see the error.