That’s my interpretation. A more literal way to say it is that Judge James L. Robart has issued an order for Douglas Vogt to show cause within 20 days why the Court should not dismiss his case for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.
Whatever Vogt thinks he did, the Court considers what he filed a civil lawsuit. The Court also recognizes that the intent of Vogt’s filing is to cause the court to begin a criminal prosecution. Essentially the Court told Vogt: “You can’t do that.” A more precise rendition is: “Decisions to prosecute or file charges are generally within the prosecutor’s discretion, and private citizens, such as Mr. Vogt, have no standing to institute a federal criminal prosecution and no power to enforce a criminal statute against another.” The two Misprision statutes Vogt cites are not causes of action for a civil lawsuit, said the Court.
I am pleased that the court is disposing of the case so promptly.
Bob at fogbow posts a link to an order to show cause motion from the Judge in the Vogt case.
http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.wawd.196544/gov.uscourts.wawd.196544.5.0.pdf
Apparently the judge doesn’t think his court has jurisdiction.
Nor, it appears, does he think much of Mr. Vogt’s arguments.
Correction:
AnitaMaria at fogbow posts a link to an order to show cause motion from the Judge in the Vogt case.
Not a surprise. Except maybe to Vogt.
Looks like the case is going to be dismissed before I can get it debunked. That’s as bad as Obama releasing his birth certificate before Corsi could get his book “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” in the stores.
*Bif!* *Pow!* *Rejected!*
Several weeks ago I posted on the amazon.com birther forum that Vogt’s court action would be dismissed on grounds of lack of subject matter jurisdiction, and I am not a lawyer!
A ‘legal’ thing? Very generous. Sounds like the court is explaining that it’s quite an illegal thing. 😉
Having failed to file with a court of incompetent jurisdiction, this was the inevitable outcome.
Have to match the filing to the court. Vogt needs to redirect Manning’s Court of Jesters.
Wow! Vogt might end up setting a new birther speed record!
Nah! I think Orly does way more speed than he does.
Well that was a total waste of time. Zullo and company must be in shock. Birtherland must be devastated and the crazies over at ORYR must be going to new levels of crazy. The judge must have read our debunking of Vogt’s 20 points of forgery here on Dr. C. and concluded we were right. Next on the program will be Larry Klayman doing his magic act while explaining why the judge should reconsider his position. What’s next from Birtherland?
Nicely worded, JPotter! And so true! These Birther legal initiatives are in the realm of the most doomed of attempts that might result from the automatic filing with the court of every document that emerged from a planet upon which 100 Billion monkeys were typing randomly for a Billion years! The only difference being that unlike Birther legal gibberish, randomly typed monkey suits would occasionally make legal sense, and possibly prevail in a court.
The Birthers will be all over this, accusing the court of setting up for the Inevitable Dismissal By The Cowardly Obama-Owned Judges. Dismissal will allow them to continue with the claim that the courts are skeered to Rule On The Merits and move inevitably to frogmarching, leg shackles etc.
Well said!
Judge Robart was appointed in 2003……by President George W. Bush. Hmm.
Now Vogt – who is not even an armchair lawyer – will probably have to resort to the two previous failed birther arguments:
1. The “Have Standing Too” argument: “I have standing because … and … and because I can’t sleep at night with a black guy in my White House”.
2. The “National Emergency” argument: “You must disregard the law and your ordinary mode of process because NATIONAL IMPORTANCE and EMERGENCY because USURPER” that Orly usually tries.
This should be good. It means the “case” is doomed but we will get another chunk of craziness from Vogt and Sibley in reply to the OSC.
We should be aware of the possibility that Sibley is engaging in the unlicensed practice of law.
Over at BR (formerly ORYR) Vogt mentions the new revelation about the hospital certificate found in 2011 in the following comment.
“Executives at GE, NBC and Savannah Guthrie are named in my Affidavits filed in the Seattle Federal Court. They know what they did and it is they who are doubling down on their lie. So, April 14th, 2011, Obama found his actual hospital birth documentation with his actual footprints on it yet on April 22nd, 2011, he had his attorney send a letter to Hawaii requesting two copies of his legal birth certificate. He then publishes a manipulated pdf of a purported birth certificate on the Internet. Then why order/create one when you purportedly have the one with PRINTS on it? Read GE’s and NBCs insolvent on my web site http://www.vectorpub.com and learn why they are so nervous. Ask yourself: Why is NBC bringing this subject up again when it was suppose to have been a dead issue for the media? I guess its not so dead—is it?”
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/nbc-drops-bomb-obama-found-birth.html
This will clearly be grounds for a Motion to Reconsider the Order to Show Cause and to Present as Amended the Complaint to the Federal Prosecutors Requiring Them to Submit the Aforementioned Complaint to a Grand Jury.
Or something along those lines.
That has been noted by a few folks.
It is not UPL to ghostwrite. If it was, Apuzzo would be guilty, and Paige would be his accomplice. (See also: CEL3 and Taitz.)
it’s already started
guess they are steadying themselves for the obvious dismissal, and this is their way of consoling each other.
One of Vogt’s points of forgery was debunked by … Miki Booth.
Last night (around 92:00) on Volin’s show, Booth explained when she gave birth in Hawaii, she self-reported the parents’ race.
Would that be the same Bush whose Selective Service Administration conspired to circulate the forged registration card?
Looks like we might find a use for Thomson Correctional Center, after all.
Oh, wait: it’s “treason”, so they’re all going to be hanged, and we won’t need long-term housing.
Nevermind…
I especially like that the order cites as precedent a case that Sibley lost, in addition to cites of Berg and Kertchners cases. Birther failures being used against them.
Sibley v. Obama, 866 F. Supp. 2d 17, 20 (D.D.C. 2012) (“Plaintiff lacks standing to challenge President Obama’s current tenure in office, just as others who have made similar claims contesting President Obama’s eligibility for the presidency were found to lack standing. The injury plaintiff asserts is not particular to him.”)
A pretty safe prediction 🙂
And one that has already come true at ORYR: http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/judge-issues-order-in-obama-fraud-case.html
It’s definitely amusing to watch the graduates of the Ben Matlock School of Lawyerin’ and Banjo Pickin’ respond to attempts to ‘splain to them what the order means.
It is just bizarre, isn’t it? I like the latest about the Freemasons. Yawn!
I think “legal thing” here makes more sense if you read it using the voice of Jerry Lewis.
“Yawn” ? I haven’t seen some good old-fashioned Illuminati conspiracizing in an age!
And what better vehicle to transport your delusions to the frogmarches in, than the 2014 Coupe de Tat! Luxuriate in the hand-made lace upholstery!
Aw, c’mon, Bob, it’s not whether it’s self-reported, but what’s reported. Anything contributing to Obama’s legitimacy is rejected reflexively, sans contrepartie.
They misspelled that, they obviously meant “Coup de Tet” – didn’t anyone watch “Oblivion” for Chrissakes? The alien AI has already taken us over (and BHO aka “Binary Head Oppressor” is its avatar). 😉
Do we know, whose testimony is in the sealed affidavit? Is it more Vogt, or somebody else?
And now we have Vogt’s response:
http://www.obamaforgerybook.com/PDF_Files/Response_to_order_to_show_cause_11-12-2013.pdf
Enjoy!
Novel approach. Or rather, short fiction.
Oh that’s rich! He’s asking for money!
So new and original, that one!
I can’t figure out whether he thinks the federal court (1) can or (2) cannot do anything. I think the best summary is that the court can give him a refund, appoint a special prosecutor, and empanel a grand jury, all in a case in which Vogt concedes that court has no constitutional power to do so.
And that the court is engaged in some sort of cover up or manipulation, because, as Dr. Taitz has demonstrated, accusing judges of criminal behavior is successful in getting them to rule your way.