The occasional open thread: emergency edition

Posted on November 14, 2013 by Dr. Conspiracy

Place your Obama conspiracy comments that don’t fit the current articles here. This thread will close in two weeks.

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205 Responses to The occasional open thread: emergency edition

Rickey says:

November 14, 2013 at 10:52 am Rickey(Quote)

There is no suitable place to mention this, but the open thread closed a couple of days ago and we don’t have one at present.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 14, 2013 at 11:53 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Birther report is back to running faux-bombshell stories.
You know, the ones! Shocking, bombshell-style titles, but the story boils down to being an opinion piece, written by a someone who is completely powerless, as far as making birther hopes and dreams come true.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 14, 2013 at 12:34 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

I don’t know what happened with scheduling the open thread. I was out shopping and added this one on my phone.
Benji Franklin says:

November 14, 2013 at 3:10 pm Benji Franklin(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: Birther report is back to running faux-bombshell stories.
You know, the ones! Shocking, bombshell-style titles, but the story boils down

Yeah like:

Title: “BOMBSHELL! SCOTUS RULES OBAMA OUT ON ELIGIBILITY QUESTION!”

Text: For the 11,473rd time, Justices refused to review a lower court’s dismissal of an appeal for reconsideration of an appeal for reconsideration of an appeal for reconsideration of an appeal for reconsideration of an appeal for reconsideration of an appeal for reconsideration of a Californian Doctor’s Dental malpractice lawsuit, inexplicably styled a Presidential Eligibility Challenge. In a phone call to the Chief Justice, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the C.J. exclaimed, “I don’t know how that dreadfully conceived case could have anything to do with any President’s Constitutional Eligibility, but if we made up a list of presidents whose eligibility that lunatic case applied to, we’d have to rule out every President, INCLUDING OBAMA!”
JimmyJam says:

November 14, 2013 at 3:46 pm JimmyJam(Quote)

BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!!

There’s somebody posting at Birther Report warning Doc C. to hire a good defense attorney!
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 14, 2013 at 3:52 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Hmmm, maybe I can get Scott Tepper.

JimmyJam: There’s somebody posting at Birther Report warning Doc C. to hire a good defense attorney!
Daniel says:

November 14, 2013 at 4:17 pm Daniel(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Hmmm, maybe I can get Scott Tepper.

The empty chair has an excellent record of successfully defending against birthers. You should see it it’s free.
Whatever4 says:

November 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm Whatever4(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Hmmm, maybe I can get Scott Tepper.

I don’t think Tepper’s licensed in Birtherstan, only in the real world.
sactosintolerant says:

November 14, 2013 at 6:45 pm sactosintolerant(Quote)

Did anyone else catch Obama mention his difficulty in applying for financial aid for college in his obamacare presser today?
Crustacean says:

November 14, 2013 at 7:05 pm Crustacean(Quote)

Yep, the Empty Chair has a pretty good track record: winning birther lawsuits, besting Clint Eastwood at the 2012 Republican National Convention. It might be in Doc’s best interest to arrange a sit-down…

Daniel: The empty chair has an excellent record of successfully defending against birthers. You should see if it’s free.
Curious George says:

November 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm Curious George(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Hmmm, maybe I can get Scott Tepper.

I understand Larry Klayman is claiming responsibility for upsetting the Arpaio recall. Sounds like he’s an excellent barrister and would probably defend you with gusto. He certainly knows the cast of characters. 😉
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Maybe he can be admitted pro hac wiki wiki.

Whatever4: I don’t think Tepper’s licensed in Birtherstan, only in the real world.
Rickey says:

November 14, 2013 at 10:51 pm Rickey(Quote)

Curious George: I understand Larry Klayman is claiming responsibility for upsetting the Arpaio recall.Sounds like he’s an excellent barrister and would probably defend you with gusto. He certainly knows the cast of characters.

Speaking of Klayman, Daily Kos has a piece about the fringe groups which are supporting his certain-to-fail demonstration in D.C. next Tuesday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/13/1253177/-Meet-Some-of-the-People-Helping-Larry-Klayman-Overthrow-the-U-S-Government

If you scroll down to the section on Gear Up Foundation you will learn a little about Vincent Forras. He was a volunteer fireman in South Salem, N.Y. who claims that he went to Ground Zero to help on 9/11 and was trapped in debris there. The thing is, nobody remembers him being there, and the South Salem Fire Department never went to Ground Zero. Because of their distance from lower Manhattan, the fire departments in northern Westchester County deployed to the fire departments in southern Westchester to cover for the firemen in those departments who actually went to Ground Zero.

I had some personal experience with this because Forras later was expelled from the South Salem Fire Department and he tried to claim that he was wrongly discharged. There has been a great deal of controversy about his fundraising and whether his foundation has benefited anyone other than himself.

If figures that grifter Klayman would attract more grifters.
Slartibartfast says:

November 15, 2013 at 12:45 am Slartibartfast(Quote)

I suggest a can’t-fail scenario, hire Klayman and let him work pro-se for the plaintiff and get the Empty Chair to defend you!

Curious George: I understand Larry Klayman is claiming responsibility for upsetting the Arpaio recall.Sounds like he’s an excellent barrister and would probably defend you with gusto. He certainly knows the cast of characters.
CarlOrcas says:

November 15, 2013 at 12:46 am CarlOrcas(Quote)

JimmyJam:
BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!!

There’s somebody posting at Birther Report warning Doc C. to hire a good defense attorney!

Yes, poster’s name is “Zip Code 85003”.

85003 covers the older area of central, downtown Phoenix……home of…….the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office!
The Magic M says:

November 15, 2013 at 4:13 am The Magic M(Quote)

CarlOrcas: 85003 covers the older area of central, downtown Phoenix……home of…….the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office!

The other day I saw a documentary on TV (already forgot what it was about) that showed a sign “Maricopa County” several times. I considered that a funny coincidence since very few documentaries about the US run on German TV, and the one I happen to watch came right from Clown Joe’s home turf. I said to my girlfriend (to whom I never talk about birtherism) “it’s the home of the United States’ most controversial sheriff” and she wondered how I knew. 😉

But it corrected one of my misconceptions, namely that Maricopa County was some speck in the desert far away from civilization. I had no idea it included Phoenix.
Keith says:

November 15, 2013 at 5:35 am Keith(Quote)

The Magic M: But it corrected one of my misconceptions, namely that Maricopa County was some speck in the desert far away from civilization. I had no idea it included Phoenix.

I don’t understand. What exactly was your misconception?
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 15, 2013 at 8:49 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

So, any guesses as to what today’s Freetarded Friday radio show will be about?
Yoda says:

November 15, 2013 at 8:51 am Yoda(Quote)

There is a show called Property Wars. It is about people buying foreclosed properties in Maricopa County at auction. The actions are done at the courthouse, by the Sheriff’s office. I keep hoping to see Sheriff Joe in all his glory.
CarlOrcas says:

November 15, 2013 at 8:52 am CarlOrcas(Quote)

The Magic M: But it corrected one of my misconceptions, namely that Maricopa County was some speck in the desert far away from civilization. I had no idea it included Phoenix.

Phoenix and a couple dozen other cities. The population is fast approaching 4-million and, as I recall, that makes it the fourth or fifth most populous county in the country. It’s also quite large…..bigger than a half dozen or so states.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 15, 2013 at 9:10 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Yoda:
There is a show called Property Wars. It is about people buying foreclosed properties in Maricopa County at auction. The actions are done at the courthouse, by the Sheriff’s office. I keep hoping to see Sheriff Joe in all his glory.

Make a drinking game out if it! Take a drink, every time Sherf’Joe finger-points.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 15, 2013 at 9:47 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Comment by me at BR:

No, but I’ve seen the State’s verification of the facts on the certificate on the Secretary of State of Arizona’s web site. Or are you adding Ken Bennett to the conspiracy?

Oh wait, maybe we’re living in the Matrix and NOTHING is real. Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Yeah, that’s it. Obama is controlling your vital fluids! You’re just a battery feeding Obama’s demands for power.

That explains where Mike Zullo is. He got flushed.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 15, 2013 at 10:24 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Doc, your geek street cred just keeps on climbing! That was one stylish comeback! 🙂
Kiwiwriter says:

November 15, 2013 at 10:30 am Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Comment by me at BR:

Sounds like we need General Jack D. Ripper to launch a military coup to save our “precious bodily fluids” and our “purity of essence.”
The Magic M says:

November 15, 2013 at 11:07 am The Magic M(Quote)

Yoda: There is a show called Property Wars. It is about people buying foreclosed properties in Maricopa County at auction.

May have been what I saw. We have a cable channel called DMAX (targeted towards “manly men”) that has many of these shows running (along with Top Gear, Ice Road Truckers, Mythbusters, Miami Ink etc.), but I rarely watch it.
JPotter says:

November 15, 2013 at 11:37 am JPotter(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy: Comment by me at BR:

Awww, no direct link to the fun? We hafta find it ourselves?

http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/20-points-of-forgery-reporting.html

Gods, those nuts crack me up. The comments you were responding to! Denial, wishful thinking, confirmation bias, and tribalism on tap, and the kegs know no bottom.
Rickey says:

November 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm Rickey(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: Sounds like we need General Jack D. Ripper to launch a military coup to save our “precious bodily fluids” and our “purity of essence.”

“I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence. Women sense my power, and they seek the life essence.”
Joey says:

November 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm Joey(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Hmmm, maybe I can get Scott Tepper.

Or Sam Begley. I also hear that Michael Jablonski is available to win by not showing up.
Joey says:

November 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm Joey(Quote)

The Magic M: The other day I saw a documentary on TV (already forgot what it was about) that showed a sign “Maricopa County” several times. I considered that a funny coincidence since very few documentaries about the US run on German TV, and the one I happen to watch came right from Clown Joe’s home turf. I said to my girlfriend (to whom I never talk about birtherism) “it’s the home of the United States’ most controversial sheriff” and she wondered how I knew.

But it corrected one of my misconceptions, namely that Maricopa County was some speck in the desert far away from civilization. I had no idea it included Phoenix.

Maricopa County, Arizona is the 4th most populous county in the United States with close to 4 million inhabitants.
JPotter says:

November 15, 2013 at 1:07 pm JPotter(Quote)

Another fun quote for the day … which borders on Godwinism by comparing the failed windmill tilt of birferism to the failure of Operation Barbarossa:

“We have seriously underestimated the Russians, the extent of their country and the treachery of their climate. This is the revenge of reality.”
—Heinz Guderian
charo says:

November 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm charo(Quote)

Curious George,

I ran across a comment that may or may not be helpful to you. I don’t know if you or your spouse was undergoing any kind of treatment when you got your cancellation notice

****By using his knowledge of this law, Mr. Tucker was able to get insurance coverage quickly restored for a cancer patient who was intereviewed on Fox by Megyn Kelly last Nov 7. He explains this case, which is applicable to every insured person undergoing treatment, and includes a reprinting of the relevant text of Public Law 104-191 in his post (section 2742: Guaranteed Renewability of Individual Health Insurance Coverage). Any insured person undergoing treatment can follow Mr. Tucker’s advice to get a cancelled policy reinstated in accordance with the law. That includes all of those cancer patients whose shocking stories have been told over the past few weeks.***

Here is the website linked (caveat: he is not an Obama supporter, but he has the facts)

http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/the-truth-about-preexisting-conditions/
nbc says:

November 15, 2013 at 3:31 pm nbc(Quote)

Let’s explore Vogt’s position:

He believes that he has the duty to report his beliefs that a felony may have been committed to a judge and that said judge has the obligation to bring this to the attention of a grand jury. Let’s explore some of this in more detail

“Misprision of felony” is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. � 4:

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.

In other words, when Vogt asks the court to somehow relieve him of misprision, something the court cannot do, he has to be worried that he is actively concealing the felony. Since he has reported on his findings widely, there is no support that he would or could be held accountable.

Furthermore, there is no further obligation for the judge to do anything with such a report.

In United States v. Johnson 546 F. 2d 1225 1977 the Fifth Circuit observed

The factual basis of defendant’s plea does not demonstrate the existence of “concealment,” an essential element of the offense of misprision. The record of defendant’s plea fails to reveal that he took ” affirmative steps to conceal the crime of the principals.” United States v. Daddano, 432 F.2d 1119, 1124 (7th Cir. 1970), cert. denied, 402 U.S. 905, 91 S.Ct. 1366, 28 L.Ed.2d 645 (1971); Neal v. United States, 102 F.2d 643, 649-650 (8th Cir. 1939). The mere failure to report a felony is not sufficient to constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C.A. � 4. Lancey v. United States,356 F.2d 407 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 385 U.S. 922, 87 S.Ct. 234, 17 L.Ed.2d 145 (1966).

Vogt is trying to have his arguments be brought in front of a Grand Jury but as he has found out, such right does not exist.

Worse, there is not even evidence of a felony other than some broad speculations involving a conspiracy…

IANAL
gorefan says:

November 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm gorefan(Quote)

nbc: United States v. Johnson 546 F. 2d 1225 1977

“The starting point of our analysis is the proposition that “[m]ere silence, without some affirmative act, is insufficient evidence” of the crime of misprision of felony. Lancey v. United States, 356 F.2d 407, 410 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 385 U.S. 922, 87 S.Ct. 234, 17 L.Ed.2d 145 (1966). Thus, a person who witnesses a crime does not violate 18 U.S.C. � 4 if he simply remains silent.” United States v. Ciambrone, 750 F.2d 1416 (1985)

Citations of Lancey v. United States,356 F.2d 407 (9th Cir.)

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?about=4680301086293320030&hl=en&as_sdt=2006&as_vis=1
nbc says:

November 15, 2013 at 3:55 pm nbc(Quote)

Now 18 USC 3332

It shall be the duty of each such grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district. Such alleged offenses may be brought to the attention of the grand jury by the court or by any attorney appearing on behalf of the United States for the presentation of evidence. Any such attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney’s action or recommendation.

These offenses were not committed within the district in question, the grand jury may be informed. So now the only question is, if any such attorney, meaning the district attorney in charge, has been informed of an alleged felony, if such activities have to be brought in front of the special grand jury.

The courts have looked at the history of 18 USC 3332

The legislative history of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 indicates that the Special Grand Jury was created as an instrument to investigate organized crime in areas where such criminal activity was evident.

Korman v. United States, 486 F. 2d 926 – Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit 1973

but

Special grand juries have broad investigative powers. Section 3332(a) directs these grand juries to “inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district.” 18 U.S.C. � 3332 (1970). The legislative history confirms the breadth of the general mandate bestowed by this section. These grand juries are not restricted to investigating only organized crime activities. “The purpose of these provisions is to make available a sufficient number of grand juries in each judicial district to accommodate the general needs of the district and the special needs of the typically lengthy organized crime case.”

United States v. Koliboski, 732 F. 2d 1328 – Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit 1984

In Simpson v. Reno, 902 F. Supp. 254 – Dist. Court, Dist. of Columbia 1995 the court explains that a mandamus is an extraordinary writ, and since the judge is not obliged by USC 3332 to forward the complaint to the Grand Jury, Vogt’s choices appear to be limited.

A writ of mandamus is “an extraordinary remedy, to be reserved for extraordinary situations.” Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. v. Mayacamas Corp., 485 U.S. 271, 289, 108 S.Ct. 1133, 1143, 99 L.Ed.2d 296 (1988); In re Halkin, 598 F.2d 176, 198 (D.C.Cir.1979). Plaintiffs must demonstrate that they lack adequate alternative means to obtain the requested relief, that the defendants have a peremptory duty to act, and that their right to the issuance of the writ is clear and undisputable. Council of and for the Blind of Delaware Valley, Inc. v. Regan, 709 F.2d 1521, 1533 (D.C.Cir.1993). Even were these requirements satisfied, the issuance of the writ is within the sound discretion of the court. Kerr v. United States District Court for the Northern District of California, 426 U.S. 394, 403, 96 S.Ct. 2119, 2124, 48 L.Ed.2d 725 (1976).

The court continues, rejecting claims that a grand jury MUST be convened, or that they have a right to appear before said grand jury, and observes

Legislative history is clear that the United States Code provisions pertaining to special grand juries were designed to combat “such illegal endeavors as syndicated gambling, loan sharking, the theft and fencing of property, the importation of drugs, and other forms of social exploitation …” associated with organized crime. P.L. 91-452, reprinted in 1970 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1073. In enacting the Organized Crime Control Act, Congress intended to limit these special grand juries to “districts in which organized crime was most prevalent.” United States v. Fein, 504 F.2d 1170, 1180 (2d Cir.1974).[1] Plaintiffs do not 258*258 allege that the unilateral actions of state and federal judges in Missouri are in any way linked to organized crime.

Plaintiffs have failed to establish a clear violation of any criminal statute of the United States.

And the final nail in the coffin

Mohwish’s request that his evidence be presented to the grand jury is, unlike his other requests, at least plausible. Section 3332 says on its face that the U.S. Attorney “shall” present to the grand jury information provided by “any person,” and one district court has held that any person has standing to enforce this duty. See In re Grand Jury Application, 617 F.Supp. 199 (S.D.N.Y.1985) (granting mandamus to enforce � 3332); see also Simpson, 902 F.Supp. at 254 (dictum). In our view, however, Mohwish does not have standing to enforce the statute.

In order to have standing to sue in federal court, Article III of the Constitution of the United States requires that a complainant have suffered an injury in fact, which the Supreme Court has defined as the invasion of a concrete, imminent, and legally cognizable interest.

Sargeant v. Dixon, 130 F. 3d 1067 – Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1997

Vogt may claim that he is not bringing any suit but in that case, the court has no jurisdiction to become involved.

IANAL
nbc says:

November 15, 2013 at 3:57 pm nbc(Quote)

Oh and this gem

Plaintiff seeks an order compelling a grand jury investigation, but the United States Attorney General has absolute discretion in deciding whether to investigate claims for possible criminal or civil prosecution. As a general rule applicable to the circumstances of this case, such decisions are not subject to judicial review. Shoshone-Bannock Tribes v. Reno, 56 F.3d 1476, 1480-81 (D.C.Cir. 1995). Moreover, plaintiff “seeks to have the evidence of criminal wrong doing presented to the grand jury under 18 U.S.C. � 3332,” Compl. � 14, but no private right of action is available under the criminal statutes. See Rockefeller v. U.S. Court of Appeals Office, for Tenth Circuit, 248 F.Supp.2d 17, 22 (D.D.C.2003) (“[T]he 4*4 plaintiff is precluded from asserting any claims pursuant to 18 U.S.C. � 242 . . . because, as criminal statutes, they do not convey a private right of action.”); 28 U.S.C. � 547(1) (stating that the United States Attorney “shall prosecute for all offenses against the United States”). Defendants’ motion to dismiss the claim for a writ of mandamus therefore is granted.

Hantzis v. Grantland, 772 F. Supp. 2d 1 – Dist. Court, Dist. of Columbia 2009
nbc says:

November 15, 2013 at 4:34 pm nbc(Quote)

So in conclusion, unless Vogt wants to force the court to do something, all the court can do is observe that either there is no case, or accept Vogt’s ‘filings’ as miscellaneous and close the case as there is nothing for the court to do.

IF Vogt subsequently wants to enforce the Judge to do something he will have to fill a legal case…

All he can hope for is that some Judge will do something and that the district Attorney will abide. If the district attorney fails to act, again Vogt needs to file a real lawsuit.

So nothing is going to happen, and for good reasons: One cannot expect the court to just take seriously any conspiracy… We have law enforcement and the government attorneys for that purpose and if they refuse to take Vogt seriously, Vogt has little hope…

It’s a hail mary pass and it was fumbled at the throw…
Monkey Boy says:

November 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm Monkey Boy(Quote)

I made a post on the mal-named “20 points of forgery” thread at BR.

Riddle me this, birfers.

If the HDOH is authorized by statute to issue BCs, how can it issue a forgery??? Help me out.

If the HDOH issued the President a BC (unquestionably real), why would he need to forge another???

It’s puzzle to me.

It stayed up for about a minute.

Wimps!
Monkey Boy says:

November 15, 2013 at 5:26 pm Monkey Boy(Quote)

“Republicans take pride in being ignorant.” Candidate Barack Obama in 2008.
From Dr. Kate’s bin of lunacy:

Obama set the stage for deceit by sponsoring a non-binding resolution (S.R. 535) that proclaimed John McCain eligible for the presidency even though McCain was not eligible because he was born off-base in a civilian hospital in Cologne, Panama.

We all make typos and sometimes our thoughts outpace our fingers, but, how can someone who claims to possess a doctorate in anything not know that Cologne (or Koeln) is in Europe, and is not a Spanish name?
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

It’s even worse. McCain wasn’t born in Colón either. He was born on the base.

Monkey Boy: We all make typos and sometimes our thought outpace our fingers, but, how can someone who claims to possess a doctorate in anything not know that Colonge (or Koeln) is in Europe, and is not a Spanish name?
Dave B. says:

November 15, 2013 at 5:43 pm Dave B.(Quote)

And it was S.Res. 511.

Dr. Conspiracy: It’s even worse.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 15, 2013 at 6:01 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

And the spooky thing was than not long after that I went to YouTube and the ad in the front of the video was for a local attorney. Talk about TARGETED ads!

JimmyJam: There’s somebody posting at Birther Report warning Doc C. to hire a good defense attorney!
Crustacean says:

November 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm Crustacean(Quote)

Better call Saul, Doc. You don’t need a criminal attorney. you need a *criminal* attorney.

http://www.bettercallsaul.com/asseenontv.php

OK, that’s my second “Breaking Bad” reference in, like, a week. I’m cutting myself off.

Dr. Conspiracy: the ad in the front of the video was for a local attorney
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

So apparently Carl Gallups considers Mike Volin a member of “Team Arpaio” now.
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/team-arpaio-put-congress-on-obama-fraud-notice.html
I don’t see CCP listed on the descriptor, and I’m not about to damage my brain by listening.
I guess “Team Arpaio” has become a sitcom family, where all of the cast members have been replaced by c-list nobodies, as opposed to the a-list nobodies we’re used to.

As for the “put on notice”, I suspect that’s birther for “We talked some congressman’s ear off, he gave us the finger, but we SO put him on notice!”
Curious George says:

November 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm Curious George(Quote)

charo: Curious George,I ran across a comment that may or may not be helpful to you. I don’t know if you or your spouse was undergoing any kind of treatment when you got your cancellation notice****By using his knowledge of this law, Mr. Tucker was able to get insurance coverage quickly restored for a cancer patient who was intereviewed on Fox by Megyn Kelly last Nov 7. He explains this case, which is applicable to every insured person undergoing treatment, and includes a reprinting of the relevant text of Public Law 104-191 in his post (section 2742: Guaranteed Renewability of Individual Health Insurance Coverage). Any insured person undergoing treatment can follow Mr. Tucker’s advice to get a cancelled policy reinstated in accordance with the law. That includes all of those cancer patients whose shocking stories have been told over the past few weeks.***Here is the website linked (caveat: he is not an Obama supporter, but he has the facts)http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/the-truth-about-preexisting-conditions/

Charo,
Thanks very much for the information. I’m going to take some time to ponder the ins and outs. 🙂
charo says:

November 15, 2013 at 9:25 pm charo(Quote)

Curious George: Charo,
Thanks very much for the information.I’m going to take some time to ponder the ins and outs.

The reason why I took stock in the article was that I was aware of the poor guy with cancer who lost his insurance, even though he was being properly covered for the treatments. Mr. Tucker contacted him through Facebook and helped him. I hope everything falls into place for you.
JPotter says:

November 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm JPotter(Quote)

Awesome QotD, btw, Doc! That bit by “skusambo” is classic CT nuttiness …. imbuing The Enemy with infinite reach and power, and defining The Enemy as evil incarnate. The Enemy as a deity.

Obama as Ultimate Boogeyman gives’em a convenient excuse for not being able to overcome their imagined Enemy!
Curious George says:

November 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm Curious George(Quote)

charo: The reason why I took stock in the article was that I was aware of the poor guy with cancer who lost his insurance, even though he was being properly covered for the treatments. Mr. Tucker contacted him through Facebook and helped him.I hope everything falls into place for you.

Thank you, Charo.
Whatever4 says:

November 16, 2013 at 12:10 am Whatever4(Quote)

JPotter: Awww, no direct link to the fun? We hafta find it ourselves?

http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/20-points-of-forgery-reporting.html

Gods, those nuts crack me up. The comments you were responding to! Denial, wishful thinking, confirmation bias, and tribalism on tap, and the kegs know no bottom.

Oh my. I don’t normally go there so I was was startled at the … Level of discourse. There’s quite a focus on accusations of homosexuality. Plus there’s a great deal of what I call “binary thinking” — only 2 possible sides. If you claim anything positive about the president you are anti-constitution, anti-business, pro-communist, anti-religion, etc. I live in an analog world. God bless you, Doc — you are far more patient than I am.
The Magic M says:

November 16, 2013 at 2:42 am The Magic M(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: As for the “put on notice”, I suspect that’s birther for “We talked some congressman’s ear off, he gave us the finger, but we SO put him on notice!”

Isn’t “send whiny letters to Congress” so 2009?
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 16, 2013 at 10:03 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

The Magic M: Isn’t “send whiny letters to Congress” so 2009?

Well, considering your average birther webpage looks like it came out of 1994 Geocities template(Minus the autoplaying Midi music, and anime screen grabs), it stands to reason that tactics out of 2009 seem new and impressive to them.
donna says:

November 16, 2013 at 11:07 am donna(Quote)

FYI: Alabama Civil Appellate Cases Released November 8, 2013 (nothing there)

http://alabamaappellatewatch.com/

from 5/1/2013 Alabama Birthers Very Excited: State Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore Will Make Obama Just Go Away

But wouldn’t it be a hoot if Moore actually did push the appeal through with a one-vote majority, and then the Secretary of State determined that while Obama was just peachy, maybe she’d also find that Moore was ineligible in 2012, and so he had no authority to be on the court? That would be like one of those wacky time-travel paradox stories! Actually, if anyone out there has a working time machine, we would like to volunteer Roy Moore for a mission to go back in time to kill Hitler.

http://wonkette.com/514607/alabama-birthers-very-excited-state-supreme-court-justice-roy-moore-will-make-obama-just-go-away
donna says:

November 16, 2013 at 11:11 am donna(Quote)

charo:

during the ACA debates, i remember a young man who “thought” he had insurance but in reality he had one of those mini-med plans with a $1000 cap – he was then diagnosed with cancer and realized he had NO insurance to cover cancer
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 16, 2013 at 11:19 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

I removed the Cold Case Posse silence timer from the right sidebar. It took up too much space, and was old news. The CCP has buried the corpse and moved on.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
I removed the Cold Case Posse silence timer from the right sidebar. It took up too much space, and was old news. The CCP has buried the corpse and moved on.

Honestly, I think Zullo has buried the CCP and moved on.
CarlOrcas says:

November 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm CarlOrcas(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: Honestly, I think Zullo has buried the CCP and moved on.

I’m trying to think of what he can pull out of his hat (or somewhere) to resurrect the charade. “Any day now…..” has worn thin.

Maybe Doc needs to start a new thread…..”Where goeth the posse?”
donna says:

November 16, 2013 at 3:07 pm donna(Quote)

any …….. day ……… now!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Vuoto: Obama Being Unmasked; Team Arpaio Say Real Unmasking Coming

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/11/dr-vuoto-obama-being-unmasked-team-arpaio-say-real-unmasking-coming-2470428.html
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

The Deviantart User whose artwork they stole for that article is gonna be pissed.
Monkey Boy says:

November 16, 2013 at 3:46 pm Monkey Boy(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: Honestly, I think Zullo has buried the CCP and moved on.

I think that Arpaio has cancelled Field Marshall Z’s charge cards, which forced him to move on, a couple of jumps ahead of the sheriff to avoid a theft of service charge.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 16, 2013 at 4:34 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

The Glossary has been updated with the following new terms:

Any Day Now
Birtherspeak
Real Evidence
Soon
Traitor
United States Constitution

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/glossary/
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 16, 2013 at 7:11 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

So, a random birther posted “The noose tightens!” all in caps, multiple times, in the comment section of another regurgitation of Vogt’s nonsense, at BR. I’m essentially IP-blocked, so I doubt my post will be seen, but I replied with something along the lines of “You better stop that! That’s how David Carradine died!”

…Too soon?
CarlOrcas says:

November 16, 2013 at 7:38 pm CarlOrcas(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: I’m essentially IP-blocked,

That makes two of us.
roadburner says:

November 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm roadburner(Quote)

so what’s all this guff floating about in birferstan about the alabama supreme court having 3 different BC’s for the president?

i keep seeing this being posted by birfoons, but as it’s in the normal ambiguous form the birfoons use when they have read it on another birfoon blog, searching for details is a bit difficult to say the least.

guess they need a new straw to cling to after vogt got sunk last week
Keith says:

November 17, 2013 at 5:08 pm Keith(Quote)

Un-fing believable

Hackers Threaten Destruction Of Obamacare Website

And they are writing their destructive stuff using Delphi too. I don’t understand why the article felt it necessary to point that out though.

I also hate – yes hate – the use of the word ‘hacker’ to describe criminal behavior.

‘Hacker’ is an honorable term – or used to be. Edison was a hacker. Marconi was a hacker. Tesla was a hacker. Steve Jobs was once a hacker. Bill Gates used to be a hacker.
gorefan says:

November 17, 2013 at 5:26 pm gorefan(Quote)

roadburner: so what’s all this guff floating about in birferstan about the alabama supreme court having 3 different BC’s for the president?

It is a recycled story from May.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

The latest birther nonsense is the “Stool test”.
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/flush-obama-fails-stool-test-natural.html
So I guess that’s what birtherism has been reduced to. Mixing, old, disproved crap, and put a shiny bow on it.
JPotter says:

November 17, 2013 at 6:52 pm JPotter(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: The latest birther nonsense is the “Stool test”.

Aw, poop, what with their anal fixations, I expected a different kind of stool 😉

Just the same old dualer foolishness.

I also like when they allege he’s “at best” a dual-citizen, as if that were a handicap or somehow an inferior status. Except when dealing with reactionary nativists or particularly onerous tax laws, the more citizenships the merrier!
Dave B. says:

November 17, 2013 at 7:24 pm Dave B.(Quote)

Yes, I see that’s the product of that well-known Constitutional authority, Charles Kerchner.

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
The latest birther nonsense is the “Stool test”.
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/flush-obama-fails-stool-test-natural.html
So I guess that’s what birtherism has been reduced to. Mixing, old, disproved crap, and put a shiny bow on it.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 17, 2013 at 8:25 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Here’s a flash from the past highlighting the unique expertise of Douglas Vogt:

Answering the question regarding what did we get? We got a PDF. A “PDF” stands for portable document, portable electronic document, uh I think a portable electronic format, I think. One of my friends actually was on the committee back 20 years ago coming up with the standard for PDFs. It was a whole number of companies, actually was a corsortium coming up with the standard.

— Douglas Vogt
— Interview with Pastor Manning, June 2011

or

Portable Document Format… While Adobe Systems made the PDF specification available free of charge in 1993, PDF remained a proprietary format, controlled by Adobe, until it was officially released as an open standard on July 1, 2008, and published by the International Organization for Standardization as ISO 32000-1:2008

— Wikipedia article on PDF

As of the date of the Manning Interview, the PDF standard was published by Adobe, and not any consortium.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 17, 2013 at 8:45 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Heh, I write my Internet-enabled stuff in Delphi too.

Keith: And they are writing their destructive stuff using Delphi too. I don’t understand why the article felt it necessary to point that out though.
nbc says:

November 18, 2013 at 1:41 am nbc(Quote)

Another minor mystery is the picture of Barry with Inoue on a photo that states 3rd grade 1969. The WND erroneously reports that

But the official Obama school timeline remains that he left Hawaii at age 6, in 1967, and did not return to Hawaii until in 1971, at 10 years old.

He returned in 1970 to interview with Punahou, so it is possible that the 1969 was 1970, as both would still have been 3rd grade.

Inoue told WND he doesn’t remember how long Obama was at Noelani Elementary in 1969.

“I’m not sure he was there the whole year. I just don’t remember. It was a long time ago, and my memory that far back is not very clear,” he said.

and

“Truthfully, I didn’t even remember that Barack Obama was in my class at Noelani until that 1966-1967 kindergarten class photo surfaced, showing Barack and me in it,” Inoue said. “Then my mother found the picture of the two of us together in third grade, in 1969. Otherwise, I probably would never have remembered.”

False memories?

I bet you Barry visited his old school during his 1970 visit and the picture was taken.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 18, 2013 at 2:15 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

I suppose that’s possible. There is an article about this in the Honolulu paper.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20091228_third_grade_photo_captures_obamas_grin

nbc: I bet you Barry visited his old school during his 1970 visit and the picture was taken.
nbc says:

November 18, 2013 at 2:37 am nbc(Quote)

Interesting, so he may have also attended the school for a while. His books do not talk much about this, other than mentioning that ‘the year before I had visited Punahou for interviews”, placing the date around 1970.

Also Wikipedia mentions that

In the summer of 1970, Obama returned to Hawaii for an extended visit with his maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham. His mother had also arranged an interview for possible admission to the Punahou School in Honolulu, one of the top private schools in the city.[29] On August 15, 1970, Dunham and Soetoro celebrated the birth of their daughter, Maya Kassandra Soetoro.[30]

Maraniss mentions that Barry spent a few weeks in Hawaii in the summer of 1970
roadburner says:

November 18, 2013 at 6:39 am roadburner(Quote)

seems larry klayman is trying to organise a rally for tomorrow.

anyone want to take bets as to if he manages to break 50 birfoons attending?
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 18, 2013 at 9:28 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

I’ll be genuinely surprised if 50 show up. I’m guessing a cluster of 12 to 20 show up, and he deems the rally a smashing success, despite the fact that Obama will still be in office. I’m holding out hope that Klayman’s child-molesting past reaches the ears of the right people, so he’ll never be able to show his face in public again.
RanTalbott says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:01 am RanTalbott(Quote)

CarlOrcas: That makes two of us.

Oh, way more than that, I’m sure. I inadvertently got a client’s IPA blocked, too, because I didn’t realize that that’s what they were doing: I thought it was just a software glitch, and decided to re-try the failed posting while I was eating lunch there.

So now I’m on Double Secret Suspension from the animal house.
Kiwiwriter says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:10 am Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
I’ll be genuinely surprised if 50 show up. I’m guessing a cluster of 12 to 20 show up, and he deems the rally a smashing success, despite the fact that Obama will still be in office. I’m holding out hope that Klayman’s child-molesting past reaches the ears of the right people, so he’ll never be able to show his face in public again.

I’d expect 12 to 20 myself.
Kiwiwriter says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:11 am Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
The latest birther nonsense is the “Stool test”.
http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/flush-obama-fails-stool-test-natural.html
So I guess that’s what birtherism has been reduced to. Mixing, old, disproved crap, and put a shiny bow on it.

I thought they were going to test his poop and somehow “prove” it was not American…jeez.

This is incredible…it’s like Holocaust denial…a toothache that won’t go away.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:23 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: I thought they were going to test his poop and somehow “prove” it was not American…jeez.

Oh, I assume that when they’re down to the last five minutes before Obama leaves office in January 2017, they’ll be desperate enough to try that.

I think the only “victory” the birthers will end up claiming is that they stopped Obama from running for a third term, or some such nonsense. Something, anything to help convince themselves that they didn’t waste eight years of their lives. Something so that they can say that the alienation, and disowning by their own friends and families was somehow worth it.
RanTalbott says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:26 am RanTalbott(Quote)

roadburner: seems larry klayman is trying to organise a rally for tomorrow

I heard it was an “unarmed revolution”. I think he even invoked Gandhi and/or MLK.

Which also shows a level of irony they’ll never comprehend: Gandhi and King were dealing with mostly-decent governments, with a firm commitment to the rule of law, of mostly-decent citizenries, who could be shamed into giving up the remnants of their (mostly) past evil ways.

If Obama were really the crypto-commiefascist they claim he is, he’d react like Bull Connor, or the Red Army at Tiennamen, and just lock ’em up or kill ’em.

So their entire strategy for “ousting the tyrant” is based on the premise that their claim he’s a “tyrant” is completely false.
Bovril says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:36 am Bovril(Quote)

Birfoon attendance numerology

1-3 A “Usurpathon”
4-8 “Massive rally” aka “A Denny’s”
9-15 A “Frog March” aka ” An Orly-Manning NY Rally”
15-20 A “Tremendous success” aka “A Million Birfer March”
20-25 A “Lakin homecoming”
25-30 A “Berg” or a “Trumpster”
30 -50 An “Impeachment” aka “A Spectacular (failure)”
50+ An “Imaginary”
CarlOrcas says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:45 am CarlOrcas(Quote)

RanTalbott: Oh, way more than that, I’m sure. I inadvertently got a client’s IPA blocked, too, because I didn’t realize that that’s what they were doing: I thought it was just a software glitch, and decided to re-try the failed posting while I was eating lunch there.

So now I’m on Double Secret Suspension from the animal house.

Oh yes…..I suspect there are legions blocked from Birther Report. We are in good company!
CarlOrcas says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:48 am CarlOrcas(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: I’ll be genuinely surprised if 50 show up.

About noon eastern time and I just checked several local DC news sites. The most interesting story I found was one about a Zebra biting a keeper at the National Zoo.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 18, 2013 at 11:57 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

CarlOrcas: About noon eastern time and I just checked several local DC news sites. The most interesting story I found was one about a Zebra biting a keeper at the National Zoo.

Say, that IS interesting!
Jim says:

November 18, 2013 at 12:11 pm Jim(Quote)

Bovril:
Birfoon attendance numerology

1-3A “Usurpathon”
4-8“Massive rally” aka “A Denny’s”
9-15A “Frog March” aka ” An Orly-Manning NY Rally”
15-20A “Tremendous success” aka “A Million Birfer March”
20-25A “Lakin homecoming”
25-30A “Berg” or a “Trumpster”
30 -50 An “Impeachment” aka “A Spectacular (failure)”
50+ An “Imaginary”

Pretty sad when your list is longer than the number of attendees. 😆
Although, it is more comprehensive than the one I posted on TFB.
Arthur says:

November 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm Arthur(Quote)

CarlOrcas: The most interesting story I found was one about a Zebra biting a keeper at the National Zoo.

What’s really interesting is that the Zebra was reported as screeching, “Let me feenish!” right before she bit the keeper.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 18, 2013 at 12:36 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Jim: Pretty sad when your list is longer than the number of attendees.
Although, it is more comprehensive than the one I posted on TFB.

Wow, the zings practically write themselves!
Benji Franklin says:

November 18, 2013 at 1:04 pm Benji Franklin(Quote)

Let’s use Birther Logic to analyze the Birthers!

After all these months of claiming that Obama’s Presidency would justly be canceled from their allegations of fraud against the White House Informational copy of the Birth Certificate posted on line, Gallups and Zullo have now abruptly declared that “evidence” is inconsequential, being dwarfed by some newly discovered more heinous UNSPECIFIED offense by Obama!

But their BC evidence against Obama was evidence of no offense, and would have also been legally less consequential than a mouse farting in Kansas.

So that’s the Oh So Much More Damning Evidence they’ve come up with now!

1.) Obama is ineligible if there is a mouse farting in Kansas
2.) Zullo has secretly located a farting mouse
3.) Zullo will secretly smuggle the farting mouse into Kansas, where its presence will confirm Obama’s ineligibility.

Gallups’ preacher’s ability to reverse the currency of truth without hurting the “take” from the faithful week by week, is stunning to simple honest folks.
Slartibartfast says:

November 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm Slartibartfast(Quote)

I just noticed that the Fogbow is down (I get an error saying that Chrome can’t find it), has the frogmarching begun?
Whatever4 says:

November 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm Whatever4(Quote)

Slartibartfast:
I just noticed that the Fogbow is down (I get an error saying that Chrome can’t find it), has the frogmarching begun?

Didn’t you get the Code Puce message via the unusual channels? Emergency plan 123FoggyBottom.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 18, 2013 at 3:08 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Seems to be back up.

All frogs return to your stations.

Slartibartfast: I just noticed that the Fogbow is down (I get an error saying that Chrome can’t find it), has the frogmarching begun?
Keith says:

November 18, 2013 at 5:21 pm Keith(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: I thought they were going to test his poop and somehow “prove” it was not American…jeez.

Isn’t that what the DNA ‘analogy’ was about the other day?
JPotter says:

November 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm JPotter(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: I thought they were going to test his poop and somehow “prove” it was not American…jeez.

I thought they were testing to prove he was reptilian!
nbc says:

November 18, 2013 at 9:12 pm nbc(Quote)

Taitz v Obama (Occidental)

Petition for rehearing denied

Another victory for dental health…
nbc says:

November 18, 2013 at 9:28 pm nbc(Quote)

Even by Orly standards she messed up an amazing number of times, and her appeal took place with an empty chair…

She has specialized on losing to empty chairs.
Dr Kenneth Noisewater says:

November 19, 2013 at 9:21 am Dr Kenneth Noisewater(Quote)

Another bit of nonsense making its way around birtherstan

beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/11/gay-obama-is-michelle-obama-a-transsexual-man-video-2470524.html
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 19, 2013 at 10:07 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

While free republic hasn’t been birther friendly for some time, I do get a chuckle at how the admin goes all Chris Crocker, whenever George Zimmerman gets himself into trouble.
The Magic M says:

November 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm The Magic M(Quote)

Benji Franklin: 1.) Obama is ineligible if there is a mouse farting in Kansas
2.) Zullo has secretly located a farting mouse
3.) Zullo will secretly smuggle the farting mouse into Kansas, where its presence will confirm Obama’s ineligibility.

Sounds a bit like the plot of “Dogma” (1999) to me. 😉 “We’ve found a loophole in Catholic law!”
Arthur says:

November 19, 2013 at 1:58 pm Arthur(Quote)

A disturbing article (with 911 audio) about George Zimmerman’s latest arrest.

“A chilling 911 call shows George Zimmerman trying to frame his girlfriend — just like he did Trayvon Martin”

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/19/id_hate_to_be_a_former_zimmerman_juror_today/
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Surprised the birthers haven’t recruited the man yet.
donna says:

November 19, 2013 at 9:52 pm donna(Quote)

Obama Shreds Republicans For Calling Him a Socialist

The president said,

People call me a socialist sometimes, but you’ve got to meet real socialists, and you’ll have a sense of what a socialist is. I’m talking about lowering the corporate tax rates. My healthcare reform is based on the private marketplace. Stock market is looking pretty good last time I checked, and it is true that I’m concerned about growing inequality in our system. But nobody questions the efficacy of market economies in terms of producing wealth and innovation, and keeping us competitive.

On the flip side, you know most Republicans, even the tea party, one of my favorite signs during the campaign was folks hoisting a sign governments keep your hands of my Medicare. Think about that. Ideologically they did not like the idea of the federal government, and yet they felt very protective about the basic social safety net that has been structured.

My simple point is this. If we can get beyond the tactical advantages that parties perceive in painting folks as extreme and trying to keep an eye always on the next election, and for a while at least just focus on governing then there is probably seventy percent overlap on a whole range of issues.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/11/19/potus-there-obama-shreds-republicans-calling-socialist.html

do republicans even know the definition of a “socialist”?
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 20, 2013 at 8:29 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Seen on Facebook:

“I wonder if clouds ever look down on us and say, ‘Hey look. That one is shaped like an idiot.'”
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 20, 2013 at 10:53 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy:
Seen on Facebook:

“I wonder if clouds ever look down on us and say, ‘Hey look. That one is shaped like an idiot.’”

Nice one!
Klayman’s failure of a rally sure has the idiots at BR up in arms. They’re in full blown panic mode. Spouting the usual rhetoric “Now we’ve got him!”, etc. Guess they needed to make themselves feel secure. They regularly seem to operate under the impression, that deny reality will somehow change it to suit their tastes.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 20, 2013 at 11:05 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Oh, and true to form, birther report is calling former police and military officers, who attended Klayman’s pathetic rally, by the titles which they no longer hold, in an effort to make them appear important or relevant.
Ellen says:

November 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm Ellen(Quote)

There appear to be considerably fewer than 100 people who attended Larry Klayman’s rally yesterday.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/larry-klayman-rally-overthrow-obama-draws-slightly-fewer-millions-expected
gorefan says:

November 20, 2013 at 4:38 pm gorefan(Quote)

Mike Volin reports on his excellent adventure.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2013/11/20/sheriffs-kits-go-to-washington-dc

Abraham Lincoln: “Fourscore and..[looks at his pocket watch] seven minutes ago… we, your forefathers, were brought forth upon a most excellent adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill… and Ted. These two great gentlemen are dedicated to a proposition which was true in my time, just as it’s true today. Be excellent to each other. And… PARTY ON, DUDES!”
Arthur says:

November 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm Arthur(Quote)

Well look who’s sending letters to Congress accusing President Obama of things you would normally only read about in the comments at Birther Report? It’s Roseanne Barr, who is directing her massively uneducated intellect towards revealing the truth about the blackmailer in the Whitehouse:

“In her latest perplexing move, Barr, whose history of erratic behavior is as long as her career itself, has written an open letter to Congress ‘regarding blackmail from the Executive Branch.’ The subject alone is a tip-off to the dubious content within — as writer Jesse Berney noted on Twitter Tuesday, ‘If Obama is blackmailing Congress, he is the worst blackmailer of all time.’ But the self-described ‘Peace and Freedom Party’ candidate confidently states that the president has made ‘direct attacks against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to the Constitution,’ including ‘false flag terror attacks to remove the 2nd amendment (Boston Marathon; case in point).’ She goes on to cite the ‘Nazi origins’ of ‘ObamaCare’ and to muse, ‘Some of you in the congress live alternative lifestyles. Some of you cheat on your spouses. Why should the camera only be pointed on you?- it’s time the camera was pointed on Obama.’ The letter includes 41 pages of footnotes ‘detailing the blackmail of congress.’ They feature SPECIAL REPORTS of lurid ‘lesbian sexual trysts, underage male prostitutes’ and ‘Obama’s gay trysts.’ On the Daily Banter, Chez Pazienza notes, ‘Almost all of them [are] sourced to batsh*t crazy Internet conspiracy theorist Wayne Madsen.'”

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/19/roseanne_barr_from_comic_icon_to_truther_and_troll/

41 pages of footnotes? Sounds like she’s been mentored by Orly Taitz.
Keith says:

November 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm Keith(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: Say, that IS interesting!

Nah.

Wake me up when the headline is “Keeper bites Zebra”
JPotter says:

November 21, 2013 at 1:18 am JPotter(Quote)

How to be right ALL the time (Every birfers’ dream come true!) … explained in small words by a stick figure, to ensure the simple can grok it:

CGP Grey on “Opinions”
http://youtu.be/tlsU_YT9n_g?t=1m11s
The Magic M says:

November 21, 2013 at 4:46 am The Magic M(Quote)

Arthur: It’s Roseanne Barr, who is directing her massively uneducated intellect towards revealing the truth about the blackmailer in the Whitehouse:

It’s not just “massively uneducated”, it’s also full of anti-Semitism (I only read the bottom parts of her “footnotes” that referred to the “Israel lobby” several times).

Also

It’s also puzzling that the Congress hasn’t set up its own intelligence agency loyal to the Congress

is pure comedy gold. She actually wants *more* agencies spying on other people? Yeah, why not have a GOP-CIA and a Tea Party CIA and a Democratic Party CIA, just to make sure the ones spying are loyal to the “right” people? *facepalm*
Kiwiwriter says:

November 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Rosanne Barr…there’s a voice that hasn’t been heard from since she hosed up the National Anthem at a San Diego Padres game.

I had forgotten about her. So did the nation. Which explains this extrusion. I’d hate to be her handlers.
Arthur says:

November 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm Arthur(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: I had forgotten about her. So did the nation. Which explains this extrusion. I’d hate to be her handlers.

Yeah, Ms. Barr is a tiresome blowhard, but not so Kiwiwriter, whose new new book on the Marianas Turkey Shoot is available on Amazon. Just bought a copy for my Kindle and I’m enjoying it a lot.
Kiwiwriter says:

November 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Arthur: Yeah, Ms. Barr is a tiresome blowhard, but not so Kiwiwriter, whose new new book on the Marianas Turkey Shoot is available on Amazon. Just bought a copy for my Kindle and I’m enjoying it a lot.

Thank you for the endorsement…for a second I thought you were calling me a blowhard, but then I read the post. I am humbled and grateful.

I urge folks who buy the book to leave reviews on the Amazon page.
Daniel says:

November 21, 2013 at 2:52 pm Daniel(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: Thank you for the endorsement…for a second I thought you were calling me a blowhard, but then I read the post. I am humbled and grateful.

I urge folks who buy the book to leave reviews on the Amazon page.

He didn’t say you weren’t a blowhard…. just not a tiresome one 😉
Kiwiwriter says:

November 21, 2013 at 2:58 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Daniel: He didn’t say you weren’t a blowhard…. just not a tiresome one

Well, I am pretty tiresome. People say to my wife, “Your husband has so many jokes!”

And she retorts, “Yes, and I’ve heard all of them 100 times.”

When I was single, girls thought I was very humorous…I’d ask them out, and they’d say, “Don’t make me laugh.”
Arthur says:

November 21, 2013 at 3:02 pm Arthur(Quote)

Daniel: He didn’t say you weren’t a blowhard…. just not a tiresome one

No, no, Kiwiwriter is a not tiresome at all. I think he’s a great stylist. Here’s a sample paragraph that captures the monumental nature of the battle he’s describing:

“Seizing the Northern Marianas would thus redeem American honor. It would also signal to Japan that the Empire’s main defense line had been breached, and force the Combined Fleet to emerge from two years of hibernation and training to fight the ‘decisive battle’ against the Americans to save the Empire . . . the biggest carrier battle yet fought, and one of the most decisive naval battles in history.”
Kiwiwriter says:

November 21, 2013 at 3:12 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Arthur: No, no, Kiwiwriter is a not tiresome at all. I think he’s a great stylist. Here’s a sample paragraph that captures the monumental nature of the battle he’s describing:

“Seizing the Northern Marianas would thus redeem American honor. It would also signal to Japan that the Empire’s main defense line had been breached, and force the Combined Fleet to emerge from two years of hibernation and training to fight the ‘decisive battle’ against the Americans to save the Empire . . . the biggest carrier battle yet fought, and one of the most decisive naval battles in history.”

Hmm…I used “decisive” twice in nearly the same sentence. Not good.
Arthur says:

November 21, 2013 at 3:29 pm Arthur(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: Hmm…I used “decisive” twice in nearly the same sentence. Not good.

Oh, just blame your editor.
donna says:

November 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm donna(Quote)

Here’s Every Argument You’ll Need To Win Your Obamacare Debate This Thanksgiving

it ends with:

Hank: Let’s just agree to disagree. How’s college?

Emily: I graduated three years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/obamacare-facts_n_4303837.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 21, 2013 at 4:40 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

ATTENTION:

The Hawaii DOH Obama FAQ has moved:

http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/
Jim says:

November 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm Jim(Quote)

Spam, spam, spam, spam….

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/showbiz/uk-monty-python-reunion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

How does this fit with the birthers? Same type of silly, inane comedy! 😀
Kiwiwriter says:

November 21, 2013 at 4:47 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Arthur: Oh, just blame your editor.

Don’t think so…I’d be having a fight with myself.

Actually, the articles originally appeared in World War II History magazine. I regain the rights to them a year after they appear, so they were edited when they went in the magazine. However, from reading them after they come out, I see that they don’t do that much editing…and I don’t want to irritate my guys at WW2 History…it’s a good sideline, about $1,200 a year.
Brian says:

November 21, 2013 at 5:03 pm Brian(Quote)

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=440722

MOTION/REQUEST FOR THE DEFENSE TO PREPARE VAUGHN INDEX

Case at hand revolves around wrongful refusal by the defense to provide SS-5, Social Security application for SSN xxx-xx-4425 , which was assigned to Harrison (Harry) Bounel born in 1890 and presumed to be deceased. According to SSA own 120 year rule, adopted in 2010 and made public in 2011, SS-5 of “Extremely aged individuals”, born 120 years ago or earlier, have to be provided, without the need for either consent or death certificate.

Originally SSA refused to provide the SS-5 in question, claiming privacy, later, confronted with 120 year rule, it could no longer claim privacy, so it claimed that it cannot find the document, even though it found it previously.

The real reason for lack of cooperation is the fact that this Social Security number was fraudulently used by Barack Obama in his 2009 tax returns, which Obama posted on line, on WhiteHouse.gov, Obama did not “flatten” the PDF file and the number became available to the whole nation. This number failed E-Verify and SSNVS, which showed that it was not assigned to Obama.

This is a matter of National Security and the outmost urgency. A person, who has valid IDs would not use stolen IDs. There is a high probability that this SS-5 will be destroyed as incriminating evidence. This is of particular urgency today: not only plaintiff provided this court evidence of falsification of other IDs of Mr. Obama, now there are reports of falsification of other reports, such as census reports, fraud committed in relation to ACA, fraudulent statements in relation to murder of Ambassador Stevens and other. We are seeing a pattern of destruction and falsification of documents and fraud. Further, today Mr. Obama is engaged in negations with countries like Iran, which already threatened nuclear destruction of U.S. and its’ allies, and it is time to know, who Mr. Obama is and why is he using stolen and fabricated IDs.

Under Vaughn v. Rosen, 484 F.2d 820 (D.C. Cir. 1973), cert. denied, 415 U.S. 977 (1974) the court can demand from the agency to provide a Vaughn index, which would show all the related documents in their records.

Under Citizens Comm’n on Human Rights v. FDA, 45 F.3d 1325, 1326 n.1 (9th Cir. 1995) plaintiff is requesting :

(1) identify each document relating to Harrison (Harry) J. Bounel withheld;

(2) state the statutory exemption claimed; and

(3) explain how disclosure would damage the interests protected by the claimed exemption

Respectfully,

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=440722
donna says:

November 21, 2013 at 5:12 pm donna(Quote)

from our “friends” at fox: School officials threatened to be ‘lined up and shot’ after Fox News ‘misreporting’

As for an apology from Fox News, Alberty isn’t holding his breath: “When something is misreported, misrepresented, an incendiary headline that really doesn’t base anything on facts of the story, I would think that would be appropriate. But I’m certainly not expecting it anytime”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/21/school-officials-threatened-to-be-lined-up-and-shot-after-fox-news-misreporting/
Daniel says:

November 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm Daniel(Quote)

When something is misreported, misrepresented, an incendiary headline that really doesn’t base anything on facts of the story… then you know you’re watching Fox News
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 21, 2013 at 7:49 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

I think the Vaughn index would look something like:

“none”

Brian: Under Vaughn v. Rosen, 484 F.2d 820 (D.C. Cir. 1973), cert. denied, 415 U.S. 977 (1974) the court can demand from the agency to provide a Vaughn index, which would show all the related documents in their records.
Arthur says:

November 21, 2013 at 8:22 pm Arthur(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: Don’t think so…I’d be having a fight with myself.

What? You mean you don’t have your wife edit your stuff? There’s nothing like it. Always brings me down a peg.
Benji Franklin says:

November 21, 2013 at 8:31 pm Benji Franklin(Quote)

gorefan: Mike Volin reports on his excellent adventure.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2013/11/20/sheriffs-kits-go-to-washington-dc

ORYR is reporting that MicroPhoney Violins, founder of TheresObamasBirthCertificateNot.com, during his his recent trip to Washington, DC distributed over 300 of his so-called “Sheriff’s Kit” to 200 members of Congress and 100 additional warm bodies.

This Sheriff’s kit is similar to the Gene Autry Sheriff’s kit which so many of us received as children, but it includes a DVD full of lies, a plastic 1.5 power magnifying glass, a cardboard badge, a cap gun in a leatherette holster, a Gutenburg movable type rubber stamp suitable for forging, and a black&white Usurper Wanted Poster of Obama, with an extra black crayon for those who feel that the poster does not make Obama look black enough.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 21, 2013 at 8:53 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

And I predict 301 of those 300 kits will end up in the trash.
Brian says:

November 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm Brian(Quote)

Dr. C said “None”

No harm in asking.

No expectation of satisfaction.

Business as usual . . .

Speaking of Business as usual:

“What do you think about the Obama administration scandal?

Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running and resulting deaths?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean SEAL Team 6?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean voter fraud?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean the use of drones on U.S. citizens without benefit of the law?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after, it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?”
Bob: “No the other one:.
Jim: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and the Chinese bought it?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “Ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The president’s threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The president’s repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The president’s unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Bob: “No, the other one.”
Jim: “I give up! …

Jim: Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don’t pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt Administration in American history?” All while the courts and media cover his use of stolen and forged documents! Never even vetted by the FBI,or they are in on it too?.
Bob: “THAT’S THE ONE!”
justlw says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:38 am justlw(Quote)

You forgot

Jim: “He plays golf with a teleprompter?”
RanTalbott says:

November 22, 2013 at 1:12 am RanTalbott(Quote)

Bob: “And I saw the video on YouTube where the teleprompter says they bribed it to let him win. But I was talking about the other one.”
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 22, 2013 at 1:27 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

This is the blog for conspiracy theories, Normal scandals, or claims of such are discussed elsewhere.

A quick review of your list shows most of them involve things that never happened, or highly biased views of things that did. Somebody’s been harvesting their chain emails.

Brian: “What do you think about the Obama administration scandal?
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 22, 2013 at 1:55 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Based on a careful reading of the Government responses, I think it is certain that Social Security has no record of Harrison J. Bounel born in 1890. (And I doubt such a person ever existed.) There was a Harry S. Bounel (or something else that looks like Bounel, born around 1890, but a different name is a different person, even if it’s the middle name. And if such a person existed, it would be extremely unlikely for him to have had a social-security number issued around 1977. If any Bounel from 1890 has a social-security number, it would have been from a number sequence very different from Obama’s. And also I would point out that no one named Bounel born in 1890 appears in the Social Security Death Index.

Business as usual is Orly Taitz filing nuisance lawsuits based on wildly implausible conspiracy theories.

Taitz may have said they had records and lost them, but Taitz is not very good at reading comprehension. She reads what she wants it to say.

Brian: Dr. C said “None”

No harm in asking.

No expectation of satisfaction.

Business as usual . . .
Lupin says:

November 22, 2013 at 6:23 am Lupin(Quote)

I’m sure you must have seen this, but according to a Fox mushroom head, Obama is Damien from THE OMEN:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-obama-just-damien-omen

Really. No kidding.
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 22, 2013 at 9:09 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Oh, its Erik Rush from WND.
Once again its a case of “I disagree with this person, and everything they stand for…therefore they are evil incarnate.” Just once, I want one of these right wing pukes to be put in an enclosed space with REAL evil. And if they are lucky enough to survive, there may even be the slimmest chance that they’d change their perspective a bit…maybe.

I’ll admit that I thought George W. Bush was kind of a reckless a-hole, and about as bright as wet match in a dark cave, but I never thought of him as evil. I thought that HE thought he was doing what was best for the country, even if that wasn’t the end result.
The Magic M says:

November 22, 2013 at 9:31 am The Magic M(Quote)

Brian: You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don’t pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again

As they say, you should elect yourself a new people. 😉
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 22, 2013 at 9:58 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

I think one of my favorite birtherisms has to be “put on notice”, which they seem to think equates to dumping their junk research in someone’s unsuspecting lap, or barking their insane theories at someone. I suspect it to be yet another legal term they just don’t understand the meaning of.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 22, 2013 at 10:09 am Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Re: RC’s identity, here are the people who know who he really is:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/FogbowMembers.jpg
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 22, 2013 at 10:13 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Holy crap! The Comedian is a member of Fogbow?!
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 22, 2013 at 11:41 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Also, I think we borked the Xerox thread.
It closed at 500 posts.
JPotter says:

November 22, 2013 at 11:43 am JPotter(Quote)

Brian: You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don’t pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers

I must be doing something wrong. I don’t have any information about not paying taxes and getting free stuff.

I must be a very low information voter. 🙁
Arthur says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm Arthur(Quote)

Lupin: I’m sure you must have seen this, but according to a Fox mushroom head, Obama is Damien from THE OMEN:

I’m hesitant to make the National Socialist German Workers Party comparison to contemporary political movements, but this claim definitely reminds me of propaganda efforts that the NSDAP used to demonize Jews and other undesirables, portraying them as not just wrong, but as the embodiment of evil, undeserving of civil rights and deserving only of segregation and death.

Likewise, commentator Eric Rush said, “Although no analogy is perfect, America’s (aka) “Obama” can be somewhat compared to “The Omen’s,” Damien . . . Everything about Obama smacks of a negative (devilish) nature. He, like Damien, is an evil scourge of deceit and death to American lives who surround him.”

In other words, Obama is evil incarnate, and the patriot who fights Obama is actually fighting Satan. Eighty years ago, Rush’s ideological mentor, Julius Streicher, put it this way, “Wer wehrt sich gegen Juden, ringt mit dem Teufel.”

Just one of many examples: http://www2.ferrum.edu/dhowell/txt_cntxt/antijudaism/nazi_demonize.htm
Daniel says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm Daniel(Quote)

Brian:

If you pile fallacious bagger memes up one on top of the other, does that increase their truthiness?
Rickey says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:27 pm Rickey(Quote)

Brian:

Case at hand revolves around wrongful refusal by the defense to provide SS-5, Social Security application for SSN xxx-xx-4425 , which was assigned to Harrison (Harry) Bounel born in 1890 and presumed to be deceased.

I hate to burst your bubble, but:

1. There is not a shred of evidence that Barack Obama’s SSN was ever issued to Harrison Bounel, Harry Bounel, or anyone else other than Obama.

2. Even if the information in the 1940 census is correct, it doesn’t mean that Harry Bounel was born in 1890. The census typically was completed by the end of March. If Harry Bounel’s birthday was, for example, July 1 1889, he would have been 50 years old when the 1940 census was completed. Orly has never grasped this simple point. In fact, because the 1940 census was completed during the first quarter of the year, mathematically it is more likely that Bounel was born in 1889 than 1890. Yet Orly continues to insist that he was born in 1890.

3. Even if we assume that the name in the 1940 census is Harry “Bounel,” there is no evidence that he ever had a Social Security Number. He may have had one, but he may not have had one. It also is likely that his last name really was “Bonnel” or some other variation. In fact, there is not a single telephone listing in the United States under the surname “Bounel,” whereas “Bonnel” is a very common name.
roadburner says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:32 pm roadburner(Quote)

Brian: yadda yadda yadda

here’s something for you to ruminate on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

compare the list your president currently has to the previous administration and ask yourself `why didn’t i say something then?’

kind of ironic a low information researcher going on about low information voters
Roadscholar says:

November 22, 2013 at 12:34 pm Roadscholar(Quote)

What I like about Brian’s list is how you can almost smell the flop-sweat of desperation wafting from it…. how the facts have to be tortured and distorted to provide “evidence” that Obama’s administration is corrupt.

I guess it’s because what Obama has actually done while in office provides so little to attack. No high crimes, not even misdemeanors. So false-information voters like Brian have to make stuff up.

Hilarious.
JPotter says:

November 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm JPotter(Quote)

Roadscholar: What I like about Brian’s list is how you can almost smell the flop-sweat of desperation wafting from it….

Almost as if Brian could just feel Doc’s next article, “Worshiping the Pile” coming LOL
nbc says:

November 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm nbc(Quote)

Brian: The real reason for lack of cooperation is the fact that this Social Security number was fraudulently used by Barack Obama in his 2009 tax returns, which Obama posted on line, on WhiteHouse.gov, Obama did not “flatten” the PDF file and the number became available to the whole nation.

That still does not mean that Orly has a right to the information she is seeking. In fact, she has failed to even show that the SSN belongs to anyone else but our President, who has used it since at least the 80’s.

Again, the SSA has made it clear that the number she is wanting to see belongs to a living person and that there is no ssn for Bounel.

Such ignorance… Orly at her ‘best’ again, unable to properly parse English…
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Do birthers have a Mustache fetish?
Farrah, Zullo, and on one of the latest BR stories the header pic is a close up shot of a guy with a mustache being…groomed…I think…
Kiwiwriter says:

November 22, 2013 at 5:14 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

Arthur: What? You mean you don’t have your wife edit your stuff? There’s nothing like it. Always brings me down a peg.

Not the WW2 stuff…she doesn’t know the subject like I do.
Jim says:

November 22, 2013 at 5:39 pm Jim(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Do birthers have a Mustache fetish?

More like a pornstache fetish…and a desire to talk about gay men all the time.
nbc says:

November 22, 2013 at 5:49 pm nbc(Quote)

50 years ago another president was accused of treason…

Nothing much has changed…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/22/922161/-The-far-right-in-Dallas-in-November-1963
Arthur says:

November 22, 2013 at 6:23 pm Arthur(Quote)

nbc:
50 years ago another president was accused of treason…

Nothing much has changed…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/22/922161/-The-far-right-in-Dallas-in-November-1963

That was amazing. So much of what the John Bircher’s were saying about Kennedy sounds just like what Tea Partiers and birthers are saying about Obama. You’re correct–nothing much has changed.
CarlOrcas says:

November 22, 2013 at 7:49 pm CarlOrcas(Quote)

nbc:
50 years ago another president was accused of treason…

Nothing much has changed…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/22/922161/-The-far-right-in-Dallas-in-November-1963

I was working in Dallas on the 10th anniversary of the assassination and despite the election of Richard Nixon there were still lots of folks convinced there were commies under every bed….or at least every other bed.

H.L. Hunt, Texas oil billionaire, and his sons were the big players in right wing politics then; the Kochs of that era, if you will.
justlw says:

November 22, 2013 at 9:08 pm justlw(Quote)

Lupin: according to a Fox mushroom head, Obama is Damien from THE OMEN:

…this was actually strongly implied in a 2008 McCain ad, created by one of my favorite right wing hilarious useless money sinks, Fred Davis.

I’m willing to believe that McCain had no idea that the ad in question was actually laden with “Left Behind” imagery, but it’s also pretty clear that this was completely intentional on Davis’ part.

(The first link above is to a Time article about the ad; the actual ad can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8 )
Keith says:

November 22, 2013 at 10:33 pm Keith(Quote)

Kiwiwriter: Not the WW2 stuff…she doesn’t know the subject like I do.

All the better. It means she can ask questions about stuff that you can’t see.
Keith says:

November 22, 2013 at 10:38 pm Keith(Quote)

Arthur: That was amazing. So much of what the John Bircher’s were saying about Kennedy sounds just like what Tea Partiers and birthers are saying about Obama. You’re correct–nothing much has changed.

You do realize that the Tea Party IS the direct descendant of the JBS don’t you? And I don’t mean just the ‘role in society’ here. I really mean the direct descendant.

Both are funded by the Koch family. The TP political agenda is plagiarized directly from the JBS manifestos. All they did was re-brand.
Arthur says:

November 22, 2013 at 11:08 pm Arthur(Quote)

Keith: You do realize that the Tea Party IS the direct descendant of the JBS don’t you? And I don’t mean just the ‘role in society’ here. I really mean the direct descendant.

Actually, no, I didn’t know that, but I just did a search for “Koch industries and John Birch Society” and I’m flabbergasted by what I’m learning, especially this little gem from the hand of Fred Koch, “”The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America.”

I could swear ol’ Fred is still alive and writing as “Falcon” at Birther Report.
CarlOrcas says:

November 22, 2013 at 11:27 pm CarlOrcas(Quote)

Arthur: I could swear ol’ Fred is still alive and writing as “Falcon” at Birther Report.

Fred Koch founded what is now Koch Industries in the early 40’s and he was, indeed, a founder of the John Birch Society in the late 50’s. He died a few years after Kennedy was assassinated. His sons run Koch Industries today.

Like father, like son
Lupin says:

November 23, 2013 at 2:29 am Lupin(Quote)

Arthur: In other words, Obama is evil incarnate, and the patriot who fights Obama is actually fighting Satan. Eighty years ago, Rush’s ideological mentor, Julius Streicher, put it this way, “Wer wehrt sich gegen Juden, ringt mit dem Teufel.”

It’s interesting you bring up Streicher because I like to remind people that, even though he himself committed no atrocities with his hands, his vile propagandist work on behalf of the Nazis was enough to get him hung at Nuremberg.

First amendment, my *ss. I agree with the judges. Some of these lunatics should be if not hung but at least thrown in jail for their vile seditious nonsense.
donna says:

November 23, 2013 at 12:19 pm donna(Quote)

Slavery, Katrina and Watergate: The right’s obsession with exaggerating

Case in point: As early as April 2010, Media Matters had counted eight different things that had been touted as “Obama’s Katrina,” including the BP oil spill (Limbaugh, Drudge, Fox.etc. vs. facts here); the GM bankruptcy (Politico, June 8, 2009); the H1N1 flu (Rush Limbaugh, Nov. 3, 2009); the Fort Hood shootings (Human Events, Nov. 11, 2009); the Christmas underwear bomber (Pajamas Media, Dec. 29, 2009); the Haiti earthquake (Wall Street Journal, Jan. 25, 2010); the Kentucky ice storms (Confederate Yankee, Feb. 1, 2010); and even housing policies in Chicago back when Obama was a state senator (Mickey Kaus, Slate, June 30, 2008).

Of course the list has kept growing since then, with the IRS and Benghazi as two top favorite additions.

Another prolific, but more traceable pattern is the oft-repeated, always failed attempt to find a Democratic “Watergate.” Indeed, at least seven different Watergates have been proposed for Obama so far (thanks to Whittaker, again): Solyndra (“makes Watergate look like child’s play” — Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., November 2011); Fast & Furious (“far worse than Watergate” — Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, June 2012); the alleged Sestak “bribe” (“could be his Watergate” — columinst Jeffrey Kuhner, May 2010); alleged national security leaks (“far more important than Watergate” -Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., June 2012); Obama’s birth certificate (“Is this another Watergate?” — Donald Trump, May 2012); even Media Matters (“Is Media Matters Obama’s Watergate?” — the American Spectator, February 2012); and work permits for undocumented immigrants under 30 (“Whatever Nixon did pales in comparison” — Rush Limbaugh, June 2012).

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/23/slavery_katrina_and_watergate_the_right%E2%80%99s_obsession_with_exaggerating/
Arthur says:

November 23, 2013 at 12:33 pm Arthur(Quote)

Lupin: First amendment, my *ss. I agree with the judges. Some of these lunatics should be if not hung but at least thrown in jail for their vile seditious nonsense.

And here’s one who faces prosecution for his words:

“‘Birther’ Busted For Threatening To Kill Obama
Wisconsin man, 81, refused to recant claim he’d shoot president”

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/birther-arrested-for-obama-death-threats-687543
justlw says:

November 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm justlw(Quote)

A new (non-Obama) conspiracy factoid that I suspect we’ll be hearing more about:

Lee Harvey Oswald Quietly Added To CIA Memorial Wall

(NB the two other “fallen agents” his entry has been placed between.)
JPotter says:

November 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm JPotter(Quote)

justlw: A new (non-Obama) conspiracy factoid that I suspect we’ll be hearing more about:

More fine satire from Duffel (thanks!), that will no doubt gain traction in the Conspiro-sphere as Gospel Truth.

Remember kids … JPotter’s corollary … you can’t spoof conspiracies w/o adding to them.
Kiwiwriter says:

November 23, 2013 at 6:34 pm Kiwiwriter(Quote)

nbc:
50 years ago another president was accused of treason…

Nothing much has changed…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/22/922161/-The-far-right-in-Dallas-in-November-1963

I was reading about that in Bill Manchester’s book…nothing has changed but the names. The propaganda is recycled almost to the last detail.

That’s why I laugh at the apocalyptic tone of these RWNJs…we’ve been teetering so long at the brink, why haven’t we fallen in? Hell, if the satanic Jewish Communist conspiracy was going to take us down, they had plenty of opportunities to do so in the past 2,000 years. World War I, World War II, Korea, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Y2K, “My Mother the Car,” and so on.

Besides, the world already HAS come to an end…the Red Sox won the ALCS in 2004 and swept the Cardinals in four straight. If that didn’t herald the apocalypse, nothing will.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 24, 2013 at 1:01 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

The Debunker’s Guide to Obama Conspiracy Theories has passed 100 entries.
donna says:

November 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm donna(Quote)

CNN Brings on Wingnut Islamophobe Birther-King Frank Gaffney as Expert on Iranian Negotiations

Prior to this Saturday’s announcement that an agreement had been reached with Iran over their nuclear program, guess who CNN thought it was a good idea to bring on for a nice “fair and balanced” discussion on how the Obama administration should be handling these negotiations? None other than neocon, right-wing extremist, Islamophobe and birther-king, Frank Gaffney.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/cnn-brings-wingnut-islamophobe-birther
Suranis says:

November 24, 2013 at 5:38 pm Suranis(Quote)

CNN jumped the killer whale with me with Piers Morgan
Keith says:

November 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm Keith(Quote)

justlw:
A new (non-Obama) conspiracy factoid that I suspect we’ll be hearing more about:

(NB the two other “fallen agents” his entry has been placed between.)

One of Rupert’s Australian papers reckons it has finally cracked the JFK case.

Herald-Sun: Mark Knight – Kennedy Conspiracy

You might need to register to see that (its free). If you do, let me know, I’ll see if I can ‘find’ a copy outside their fence.
Keith says:

November 25, 2013 at 4:11 am Keith(Quote)

Keith: One of Rupert’s Australian papers reckons it has finally cracked the JFK case.

Herald-Sun: Mark Knight – Kennedy Conspiracy

You might need to register to see that (its free). If you do, let me know, I’ll see if I can ‘find’ a copy outside their fence.

The link has changed already. Try this one instead: Mark Knight JFK Conspiracy
The Magic M says:

November 25, 2013 at 7:41 am The Magic M(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: I think one of my favorite birtherisms has to be “put on notice”, which they seem to think equates to dumping their junk research in someone’s unsuspecting lap, or barking their insane theories at someone. I suspect it to be yet another legal term they just don’t understand the meaning of.

It ties into their “any day now” hopes.

Their “logic” goes like this: “Congress will not act because they cannot be prosecuted if they can claim ignorance; but once we’ve ‘put them on notice’, they will know they cannot hide behind that defense anymore and someone will crack and spill the beans.”

Other than that, it’s still good old 2009 and “send whiny letters to Congress”. That has worked so well, just ask President Romney!
Andrew Vrba, PmG says:

November 25, 2013 at 9:33 am Andrew Vrba, PmG(Quote)

Since it’s from Orly’s site, it’s birther related, but I saw her post this headline, she aped from Infowars, about an Amtrak derailment:

“Yet another train derailment. this time in SC, where according to Lindsey Graham and Infowars reports a nuke could be detonated by the terrorists”

Can someone explain to me the thought process here? How the hell do those two things even relate?
JPotter says:

November 25, 2013 at 9:56 am JPotter(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG: Yet another train derailment.

Has she been watching Atlas Shrugged again?
It has been spotted in the Wal-Mart bargain bin, so it’s in the price range of her FMs!

Another winger fantasy involving SC. Remember the one recently about a militia taking over a town in …. SC? This time, I think they are having flashbacks to a favorite piece of Cold War hysteria, Special Bulletin, which is on Youtube. Some birfer must have stumbled across it. Probably thinks the terrorists are still on the boat in Charleston Harbor.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 25, 2013 at 12:32 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Donald Trump meets with Ted Cruz. Will birth certificates be shown?

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/22/ted_cruz_meets_the_birther_in_chief/
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 25, 2013 at 12:43 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

OK, now we get spooky. Remember that landfill story I did? Well my local landfill is a 9-minute drive from the site of that derailment.

Andrew Vrba, PmG: “Yet another train derailment. this time in SC, where according to Lindsey Graham and Infowars reports a nuke could be detonated by the terrorists”
Arthur says:

November 25, 2013 at 12:52 pm Arthur(Quote)

JPotter: Another winger fantasy involving SC. Remember the one recently about a militia taking over a town in …. SC? This time, I think they are having flashbacks to a favorite piece of Cold War hysteria, Special Bulletin, which is on Youtube. Some birfer must have stumbled across it. Probably thinks the terrorists are still on the boat in Charleston Harbor.

I enjoyed taking a look at “Special Bulletin.” I wonder if there’s a book that examines the relationship between science fiction/disaster films and the development of conspiracy theories and fringe political groups. I’m going to look that up, but if anyone knows of specific titles, let me know.
The European says:

November 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm The European(Quote)

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Since it’s from Orly’s site, it’s birther related, but I saw her post this headline, she aped from Infowars, about an Amtrak derailment:

“Yet another train derailment. this time in SC, where according to Lindsey Graham and Infowars reports a nuke could be detonated by the terrorists”

Can someone explain to me the thought process here? How the hell do those two things even relate?

Andrew, I am watching this Harpy for a while now. For her things don’t just happen. Everything is connected. You only have to connect the dots to see the picture.
JPotter says:

November 25, 2013 at 2:18 pm JPotter(Quote)

Arthur: I wonder if there’s a book that examines the relationship between science fiction/disaster films and the development of conspiracy theories and fringe political groups.

I don’t know; there are many such pairings, but is it a chicken/egg problem?

I don’t think so. In the case of movies, Holllywood profits from pre-existing conspiracy memes by taking “underground” memes and fears and bringing them to a mass market for brief—but intense!—consumption. Which does reinvigorate and propagate the related meme of course, perhaps breathe new life in to them and inspire new variations.

A classic example would be the underground misconceptions re: the Fischer-Tropsch process that have run rampant post WWII, peaking with, yep, a low-budget Hollywood exploitation piece starring George C. Scott (“The Formula”), and living on yet … it’s one of Corsi’s favorites! Meanwhile, in spite of rumors of its demise at the hands of Big Oil, the process is in use today, wherever/whenever it makes economic sense.

All part of the life cycle of an idea. The righteous can’t kill’em. The shameless exploit’em.

________

Heard this weekend:
“I reject your findings as they do not confirm what I already ‘know'” 😉
Brian says:

November 25, 2013 at 5:51 pm Brian(Quote)

Dr. Conspiracy said

“Business as usual is Orly Taitz filing nuisance lawsuits based on wildly implausible conspiracy theories.”

We’ll have to agree to disagree on what constitutes “business as usual” I guess. But hey Doc, don’t sweat it. If you LIKE your definition you can KEEP your definition (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

Regarding

“This is the blog for conspiracy theories. Normal scandals, or claims of such are discussed elsewhere. A quick review of your list shows most of them involve things that never happened, or highly biased views of things that did. Somebody’s been harvesting their chain emails.” –

Sorry about that. My bad. It must have seemed like a good idea at the time, but, in hindsight, highly inappropriate.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

“A soft answer turneth away wrath.” Prov 15:1 KJV.

Brian: Sorry about that. My bad. It must have seemed like a good idea at the time, but, in hindsight, highly inappropriate.
JPotter says:

November 26, 2013 at 12:33 am JPotter(Quote)

The forger called his shot?

This is old, but I just got around to watching it. Aug ’09, closing moments of a Commonwealth Club of CA Q&A session, Adam Savage volunteered to make a BC for Obama:

http://youtu.be/umcJ5mysQ4c?t=1h38s

21 months later, the LFBC is released. Mr. Savage readily admits to often taking awhile in his builds.

Putting this together with other birfer gospel-ly bits … Adam Savage is really a woman named ‘Mike’?
The Magic M says:

November 26, 2013 at 5:03 am The Magic M(Quote)

Arthur: I wonder if there’s a book that examines the relationship between science fiction/disaster films and the development of conspiracy theories and fringe political groups.

A typical crank meme is that some Hollywood movies are designed to gauge the reaction of people to certain events planned by the Almighty Conspiracy.
For example, “Logan’s Run” would present population control in a favourable light (everybody’s happy they’ll “ascend” at age 30), or “The Matrix” would tell people how cool it is to live in a virtual reality controlled by “others” when the real world is something too horrible to bear etc.
Another crank theory is that those movies are meant to implant false facts in advance (e.g. “meteor hits Earth” movies prepare people for Martial Law to be implemented with the false excuse that a meteor strike is imminent).

So movies don’t start (and rarely mirror) conspiracy theories, but they are incorporated into existing ones by the believers in order to reinforce them.
Keith says:

November 26, 2013 at 6:29 am Keith(Quote)

JPotter:
The forger called his shot?

This is old, but I just got around to watching it. Aug ’09, closing moments of a Commonwealth Club of CA Q&A session, Adam Savage volunteered to make a BC for Obama:

http://youtu.be/umcJ5mysQ4c?t=1h38s

21 months later, the LFBC is released. Mr. Savage readily admits to often taking awhile in his builds.

Putting this together with other birfer gospel-ly bits … Adam Savage is really a woman named ‘Mike’?

Michael Learned?!?!

Wouldn’t John-boy be surprised?
Lupin says:

November 26, 2013 at 10:00 am Lupin(Quote)

The Magic M: So movies don’t start (and rarely mirror) conspiracy theories, but they are incorporated into existing ones by the believers in order to reinforce them.

Wolverines!

(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)
Brian says:

November 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm Brian(Quote)

More business as usual:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=441188

Sample:

” Earlier this year I flew to Bakersfield, Calif. for a court challenge to the eligibility of Barack Obama.

Before I boarded the plane in Florida … I had been approved by the judge to give testimony.

By the time the plane landed … Judge England had changed his mind and issued an e-mail that I would not be allowed to testify.

Attorney Orly Taitz brought me into court anyway … along with my rather large briefcase containing a dozen 30″ x 40″ display cards that I was prepared to show as proof of forgery of Obama’s long form birth certificate.

Judge England refused Orly’s request to put me on the stand … so she opened the briefcase and presented the evidence herself directly to the judge … point by point … explaining that no one needs to be an expert to understand my proof of forgery. The judge made no comment … and dismissed the case saying he had no jurisdiction to consider the matter.

So what caused him to allow the hearing in the first place if he knew that he had … in his opinion … “no jurisdiction?” ”

I’ll answer that for you – “business as usual”.
Brian says:

November 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm Brian(Quote)

More business as usual:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=441188

Sample # 2:

” Earlier this year I flew to Bakersfield, Calif. for a court challenge to the eligibility of Barack Obama.

Before I boarded the plane in Florida … I had been approved by the judge to give testimony.

By the time the plane landed … Judge England had changed his mind and issued an e-mail that I would not be allowed to testify.”

Now why would that be?

I’ll answer that for you – business as usual. Nice of the judge to dash off a last minute email though. Real professional conduct.

Business as usual.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

The way I remember it, Judge England said no witnesses, and then at the last minute clarified what he meant by saying no witnesses.

Taitz not following the rules or understanding the Judge is business as usual.

Brian: More business as usual:
RanTalbott says:

November 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm RanTalbott(Quote)

Brian: So what caused him to allow the hearing in the first place if he knew that he had … in his opinion … “no jurisdiction?”

It’s called “fairness”, i.e., not passing judgment until you’re confident you have all the relevant facts.

A concept that’s anathema to birthers.

As is honesty: I checked the contemporaneous newspaper accounts, and Irey was never “approved by the judge to give testimony”.

The judge said he had only approved oral arguments during a “courtesy hearing,” which was not legally required, to “show that this court would look at the arguments presented.”

Instead of whining, Irey should be glad he wasn’t allowed to testify: he admitted in a radio interview that he had consulted multiple professional document examiners, all of whom told him that his approach was scientifically unsound, and would produce invalid results. If he had presented them under oath, he might’ve ended up being charged with perjury.

btw, you seem to have forgotten by the time you posted your second message that you had already included your “Sample #2” in the first one. That’s not a good sign, and perhaps you should ask your doctor to check into it.
justlw says:

November 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm justlw(Quote)

JPotter: favorite piece of Cold War hysteria, Special Bulletin, which is on Youtube.

I remember watching that when it first aired, and it basically creeping me out.

One thing I liked about it, though, was the progression of the news coverage from scrambling to get anything on the air at all, to finally busting out with their newly-minted customized graphic and theme music — which the terrorists immediately start to mock. (This was just a couple of years after CNN got its start.)
The Magic M says:

November 27, 2013 at 4:26 am The Magic M(Quote)

Lupin: (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)

I remember watching that one as a child (probably the only movie I ever considered myself too young for afterwards). Shamelessly remade into “Tomorrow, When The War Began” a couple of years ago.
Ellen says:

November 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm Ellen(Quote)

Could anyone please help me with a link to the FOI Act request (I think it was by WND) that proved that Obama’s father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961?

[Moved to the Open Thread, Doc.]
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 27, 2013 at 2:27 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

You can get this from Ken Allen’s FOIA.

I talk about this with links in my article:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/born-in-africa-myth-crushed-under-weight-of-complexity/

Note the document following my statement:

“The first evidence is from the FOIA files on Barack Obama, Sr. We learn from those files that he did not travel outside of the United States in 1961.”

Ellen:
Could anyone please help me with a link to the FOI Act request (I think it was by WND) that proved that Obama’s father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961?
Brian says:

November 27, 2013 at 4:18 pm Brian(Quote)

Dr. C said:

“Taitz not following the rules or understanding the Judge is business as usual.”

Yeah, it’s all a big misunderstanding isn’t it –

Judge Lamberth orders Postmaster General and Inspector General of the USPS to file an answer within 30 days regarding Obama’s use of a fabricated postal stamp on a fabricated Selective Service registration, IGNORES THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT FILE AN ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS AND GIVES OBAMA, POSTMASTER AND DOJ A FREE PASS ON A LACK OF ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS.

But Orly would have gotten away with that too. Ya think?

I think we ALL understand . . .

Business as usual.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=441296
Thinker says:

November 27, 2013 at 4:57 pm Thinker(Quote)

Yes. Of course she would get away with that. She gets away with breaking rules all the time. In this case against the USPS, she did not properly serve the defendant. That is why the USPS did not respond. She sent something that was apparently received by the DOJ, but she did not send it to the right person. The person who signed for it is not authorized to receive legal documents on behalf of the DOJ. But you wouldn’t know that if you get all your information about this case from her web site because she didn’t post the declaration by the DOJ attorney where he pointed out this issue because she doesn’t want her lunatic supporters to know what a hopeless, helpless, hapless moron she is.

People successfully serve papers on the DOJ all the time. The rules for how to do this are described on its website. Taitz does not research the rules and she does not follow them. And she almost always gets away with it.

She has never once properly served her lawsuits on the defendants. Not once. Ever. And, as in this USPS case, she gets away with it every time.

In a different case, the same judge just let her get away with improperly redacting Social Security numbers in her court filings, something she has done at least 7 times in that case, and something that he has warned her about in the past.

She breaks rules all the time and gets away with it. That’s not why she loses all her cases. She loses all her cases because she’s wrong on the facts and wrong on the law. But she breaks rules all the time and gets away with it.

Brian:
But Orly would have gotten away with that too. Ya think?
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 27, 2013 at 4:58 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

Brian, you are making a fundamental mistake. You are believing that things are the way Orly Taitz says they are. If you want to know how federal courts work, read the local rules and the federal rules. Don’t read Taitz’ blog. If you want to know what happened in a case, go to the court docket and read all the filings and orders in the case. The LAST thing you want to do ls use Orly Taitz as your source.

Regarding your prior your comment about the witness, any lawyer knows that you don’t bring witnesses to an oral argument. Any lawyer except Taitz. Taitz thinks that she could bring witnesses any time she wanted to because she’s clueless. When the judge found out that she was intending to bring a witness he told “no” in language that even she couldn’t misunderstand. Nevertheless, she translates her cluelessness into offenses by the court, because the courts operate according to their rules and not hers.

I’ll take a look at this Donahoe thing and reply to it, but am confident, based on long experience that Taitz screwed up, and the court did nothing wrong.

Brian: Judge Lamberth orders Postmaster General and Inspector General of the USPS to file an answer within 30 days regarding Obama’s use of a fabricated postal stamp on a fabricated Selective Service registration, IGNORES THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT FILE AN ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS AND GIVES OBAMA, POSTMASTER AND DOJ A FREE PASS ON A LACK OF ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS.

But Orly would have gotten away with that too. Ya think?
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 27, 2013 at 5:23 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

OK, I looked into the case.

On many occasions, Orly Taitz has demonstrated that she does not know how to initiate a lawsuit. In order for the court to have jurisdiction over a defendant (and start the clock on answering the complaint) that defendant must first be served with the complaint in accordance with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

This is another example of faulty service. FRCP 4(i)(1) specifies how a certified mailing should be addressed (to the “civil process clerk”). Taitz didn’t do that. Somehow the package got misrouted and the Attorney General’s office never received it. It’s unfortunate that it was misrouted, but if Taitz had addressed it properly, then the lack of a receipt notification would have alerted her that the package hadn’t been delivered, and she wouldn’t have had to wait a long time and then file a spurious motion for default.

Once informed of the situation, and after the Attorney General had been notified of the suit, the judge gave the government 30 days to respond, and they responded as required.

Oh, and some of her pages were illegible (fairly common in a Taitz electronic filing), and she didn’t follow the rules about redacting social-security numbers.

Losing packages is not a good thing, but if Taitz had followed the court rules, she would have had her response by months ago, or could have gotten her default judgment. But what happened was just a business as usual screw up by Orly Taitz.

Brian: Judge Lamberth orders Postmaster General and Inspector General of the USPS to file an answer within 30 days regarding Obama’s use of a fabricated postal stamp on a fabricated Selective Service registration, IGNORES THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT FILE AN ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS AND GIVES OBAMA, POSTMASTER AND DOJ A FREE PASS ON A LACK OF ANSWER FOR 4 MONTHS.

But Orly would have gotten away with that too. Ya think?
Thinker says:

November 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm Thinker(Quote)

One more thing…it is absurd for her to state that the court ignored the fact that the USPS did not file an answer for 4 months. The court denied her motion and granted the USPS’s motion. That is the opposite of ignoring it. That is acting on it. Ignoring it would be not acting on it at all. Her comment that the judge ignored it is a blatantly moronic characterization of the judge’s actions.
Dr. Conspiracy says:

November 27, 2013 at 5:33 pm Dr. Conspiracy(Quote)

You mean, Orly Taitz business as usual.

Thinker: Her comment that the judge ignored it is a blatantly moronic characterization of the judge’s actions.
nbc says:

November 27, 2013 at 9:09 pm nbc(Quote)

Brian: I think we ALL understand . . .

I think you do not understand… Orly failed to meet the requirements for proper service. Not uncommon for Orly….

Not that it really matters, her attempt under FRCP 60(b)(6) is doomed to failure, and the case had been closed. All the judge needed to address is her motion for reconsideration which is clearly untimely.

The rest Orly filed is totally irrelevant to the original FOIA action.

Orly just does not understand these basic principles of US law.

A total failure in some many shapes and forms, which is why I enjoy reading the many cases of Orly Taitz and how and why they failed.

My favorite ones are her arguing to an empty chair and still losing. That takes some effort.
nbc says:

November 27, 2013 at 9:13 pm nbc(Quote)

Note how Orly is also happy that Judge Lamberth has kept her filing under seal, what she may not realize is that it now has become another piece of evidence in Orly failing to properly follow the rules. Was it not Lamberth who mentioned the possibility of sanctions 🙂

Oh yes,

https://ia600409.us.archive.org/22/items/gov.uscourts.dcd.146770/gov.uscourts.dcd.146770.29.0.pdf
nbc says:

November 27, 2013 at 9:18 pm nbc(Quote)

The government is setting it all up and the Judge is helping them

Indeed, this filing follows the Court’s admonitions to Plaintiff that “the rules regarding redaction of social security numbers are simple,” that the Court “has reminded the plaintiff of this on multiple occasions,” and that “repeated violations of the Rules are in fact sanctionable, even sua sponte.” Memorandum & Order, dkt. no. 44 (June 7, 2013).1

1 Defendant has not sought sanctions for Plaintiff’s past violations out of respect for the Court’s time and mindful that collateral motions practice is generally disfavored. Defendant has noted the Court’s statement in its June 7, 2013 Order that it “has declined to previously impose sanctions because the defendant has not sought them,” and, in light of Plaintiff’s continued disregard for the Rules, will consider whether to file such a motion.
nbc says:

November 27, 2013 at 9:21 pm nbc(Quote)

Brian: “What do you think about the Obama administration scandal?

You continue with claims that are far from scandals my friend… Blinded by the facts, you now insist that anything is a ‘scandal’

Funny dude.
Rickey says:

November 27, 2013 at 11:31 pm Rickey(Quote)

Brian:

I think we ALL understand . . .

Business as usual.

Unfortunately, you do not understand.

Among other things, my company serves legal papers every day of the week. It isn’t all that complicated. We assign the work to our most junior employees after they pass a test to be process servers. By the time they begin doing the work they have learned all of the relevant rules.

Orly, however, is a lawyer who has no paying clients, so she tries to effect service on the cheap – i.e., she tries to do it herself, and she invariably screws it up. She has demonstrated time and again that she doesn’t bother to learn the rules of the Court.

Effecting proper service is a fundamental rule of civil law. A lawsuit cannot proceed until the defendants have been given proper notice of a lawsuit and a reasonable opportunity to respond to it. Orly repeatedly ignores the rules, either because she is too lazy to learn them or she believes that the rules don’t apply to her. Take your choice.
The Magic M says:

November 28, 2013 at 4:43 am The Magic M(Quote)

Rickey: Orly repeatedly ignores the rules, either because she is too lazy to learn them or she believes that the rules don’t apply to her.

Or because she subconsciously sabotages her own cases because she knows she’d never succeed on the merits (but can forever claim she lost on “technicalities” only).

Or because she thinks using unfair tactics is her God-given right.
RanTalbott says:

November 28, 2013 at 5:37 am RanTalbott(Quote)

The Magic M: but can forever claim she lost on “technicalities” only

Sorta brings a new meaning to “getting off on a technicality”, nu?

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