Obots complicit
I am not a happy camper today. I have written lots about my feelings on privacy and have tried to enforce some rules here about not associating Internet pseudonyms with real people. I also believe that there is a difference between public information scattered across obscure locations and information collated by someone and broadcast.
I myself have been the victim of such collations, some true and some not, and it has a chilling effect. I’m also empathetic and I feel for someone else who is an innocent victim of Internet research. That is why I’m unhappy and why I’m writing this.
My most recent article has been updated with a new title, “Doug Vogt’s mystery forger, revealed!” A very private person, who as far as I know has no skin in the birther/anti-birther game, was identified by Douglas Vogt as a felon—a forger of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Vogt only made this accusation in a “sealed” court filing, but he left clues, sufficient clues for it to be readily figured out.
I am not going to name the secret forger, but by the time you finish this article you will know who it is. The name has already been published elsewhere, and you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
Complicity
The story starts with an unnamed birther, who knew someone born in Hawaii, and persuaded them to send their birth certificate to Jerome Corsi. Corsi published the redacted birth certificate at WorldNetDaily, including a back view where the name could be seen bleeding through. Corsi was sloppy (although he subsequently altered the image to make it unreadable, the genie was already out of the bottle). The deciphering of the reverse image was done primarily by birther debunker John Woodman. (Woodman’s result proved important in discrediting Zullo’s lies about race codes.)
Next we have Douglas Vogt. Vogt filed something with a federal court in Seattle, alleging wild conspiracy theories about Obama’s birth certificate being a forgery. Included in the documents was a sealed part identifying what he concluded was the name of the forger of Obama’s birth certificate. Vogt, overcome by an uncontrollable desire to show everybody how clever he was, dropped sufficient hints1 on Internet talk radio shows, to make it obvious the name of his putative forger, the same person Woodman identified. (Vogt wouldn’t have even known the name if it hadn’t been for the Obots.)
Vogt’s clues led Internet commenter AnitaMaria at The Fogbow to the name, and I have not the slightest doubt that she is correct. Her comment was made in Fogbow “HIDDEN” text, but hidden text at The Fogbow just means you have to have an account and be logged in to read it—you don’t have to be in a trusted group. There are lots of registered users at The Fogbow and nobody knows who they all are. I have no criticism of AnitaMaria—it was Vogt with his hints that let the genie out of the bottle.
In my investigative enthusiasm, I added strong confirmation to AnitaMaria’s identification in my own comment at The Fogbow.
I think that the only persons who actually did something wrong were Corsi and Vogt—Corsi for violating a trust, and Vogt for filing a false claim. Woodman, AnitaMaria, The Fogbow, and I acted ethically and violated no trusts. Still, actions have consequences, and in some way the Obots are complicit in what will shortly be all over the birther blogs and will embroil an innocent person in a messy conspiracy theory. Once freed, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
1Vogt wrote in his brief:
If this person’s identity is made public prior to an investigation by a grand jury and/or executing of search warrants to secure easily destroyed computer evidence, proof beyond a reasonable doubt of the forger’s complicity in perpetrating the worst fraud on the electorate of these United States, may well be lost. The other reason is that the main principles in this forgery case may have this person murdered as well as the spouse.
But he just couldn’t keep it to himself.
In Vogt’s interview with H & H yesterday, they said that there are two Jane Does.
#1 is the woman who was a spy for the Obama administration and put out forged birth certificates to throw off the investigators over the BC numbers.
And #2 who is the actual forger.
#1 must be the “unnamed birther, who knew someone born in Hawaii, and persuaded them to send their birth certificate to Jerome Corsi.”
There has been speculation by some that this is a well known birther.
I really don’t see any reason to think that Miki Booth was the unnamed birther who promoted Vogt’s putative forger to send her birth certificate to Corsi.
She could be Vogt’s Jane Doe #1, though, since Vogt is wrong on everything.
Hagmann: From my point of view as an investigator, you don’t announce, you don’t telegraph, you don’t post on a blog. You know.
Vogt: “You leave your ego out of it.”
Hagmann: “Exactly”
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/12/05/douglas-vogt-exposes-obama-forgery
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Remember that Miki Booth’s provided birth certificate also shows a TXE stamp…
Are they “eating their own” now?
A birther would pimp their own grandmother out, if they thought it would help them oust Obama from the White House.
Did Corsi ever explain how they got the birth certificate in the first place?
Aha, according to the Fogbow, it was Orly who mentioned Miki as the source of the document. Let’s see if I can find the original
It was on ObamaConspiracy…. Orly wrote
There appears to be some confusion here. Miki Booth showed a long form obtained shortly before Obama’s was released. Most likely it had been obtained to establish Hawaiian ancestry.
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/obama-fool-us-once-fool-us-twice-dont-think-so/
Miki Booth explains the 2011 document
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/2011-hawaii-long-form-appears/#comment-102426
Doc, you wrote: “Still, actions have consequences, and in some way the Obots are complicit in what will shortly be all over the birther blogs and will embroil an innocent person in a messy conspiracy theory.”
Don’t beat yourself up, Doc. You’ve modeled the correct usage of the term, “complicit”, for one thing! And ALMOST ANY response to the Birthers embroils civilization in their disregard for intellectual integrity and society’s fragile reliance on rational discourse.
Birthers thrive on scaring people; it’s all they can hope to do and the bigger the lie they tell in trying, the better! If they lose every one of over 100 court cases, that’s of “no concern”, because they’ve just announced that there will be a 9 Billion Birther March on the White House!
People like Manning and Kerchner will be picketing Obama’s Presidential Library 10 years from now, telling visitors that if they use the bathrooms, when Obama’s Presidency is ultimately “reversed”, said guests will have to locate any sheets of bathroom tissue that they sullied while visiting, and get them back on the roll.
You also wrote:” Once freed, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.”
The Birthers need to learn that, ” Once freed, you can’t keep putting Blacks on the Presidential ineligible list.”
Doesn’t this sound a whole lot like, “It’d be a real shame if someone knocked over this tin can I balanced on this fence. Especially what with this pile of rocks that I gathered sitting right here and all.”
Damn, that was a BRAND NEW irony meter.
I retract this comment:
The Hagmann interview is very revealing.
For example:
Vogt’s belief that the LFBC is the wrong size. I was never sure what he meant by that. But he explains that when you put a document on a copier, it is automatically reduced by about 1% but the LFBC was reduced about 12%. So Governor Abercrombie and Director Fuddy lied when they said they put the original on the copier and copied it onto green security paper.
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They didn’t mention that they reduced the original size to fit the paper so they must be lying.
Wow, yeah, not to mention that some copiers do this automatically.
This one of Doug’s points that I debunked.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/debunking-vogts-20-points-of-forgery-part-2/
Note however that they reduced the document more than necessary.
Doc,
I agree with Benji that you shouldn’t beat yourself up. While it is unfortunate that Mr. Vogt chose to indulge in a delusion and baselessly accuse an innocent person, the discovery of the target of his false allegation allows this fantasy to be directly refuted and, should other birthers start picking up where Vogt left off and harassing this woman, it allows her to be warned of what could possibly be an annoying or potentially even dangerous situation.
The fact of the matter is that when you follow the birther mudslinging, you’re going to get mud on yourself from time to time.
Miki Booth at one stage tried to claim that she got a long form for her son, then posted an image that was too low a resolution to see the date stamp. She posted an image that she got in 2001 prior to the rule change and tried to pass it off as a new BC.
In any case, the new conspiracy is that Miki got the BC from the forger who deliberately sent this one to Miki to withthe same flaws to give legitimacy to the real forgery that would be coming out in a few weeks.
Wow, wheels within wheels.
Here is more insanity. In talking about the various type letters:
Vogt: “She knew how to cover up these …the placement of letters that I’m showing you here that we got from the reporter’s copy she almost successfully covered up using JBIG2 on the PDF.”
So she forges the LFBC and uses JBIG2 to cover up the different typed fonts and then releases the high resolution reporter’s copy which has the un-JBIG2 lettering.
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Yeah, the imagination… Of course, a Xerox WorkCentre workflow explains it all…
ROTFL
I think you are confusing two different BCs.
The one that was released just days before the President’s was issued in March, 2011 for someone born in 1995. The “forger” is a different BC for someone born in 1961.
Miki Booth aided the person with the 1995 BC. Whether she help the person with the 1961 BC is still debatable.
http://rcradioblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/090811authenticbcoriginal3.jpg
A bit shocked this news is not reverberating more strongly throughout birfer world. I mean forget proving the lfbc is a fake, you have the actual forger! You can now begin the process of I guess suing her? Or at least saying nasty things about her on your sites? I guess it will come in due time….
It’s like a taco within a taco or the movie inception. Sounds like we’re going to have another round of birther accusatinos.
Birthers admit that their new hero could not keep his pants zipped on the big sealed secret? And that the stupid obots figured out who it was based on the undisciplined boasting of their savior? You must be kidding.
Something else remarkably stupid about Vogt’s conclusion: He says he was keyed in to this person because of her father’s obituary, which allegedly showed that he had ties with Frank Marshall Davis, I guess because her father was a union member.
What is with the birfer obsession with Frank Marshall Davis? From listening to them, one would get the impression that he and Saul Alinsky are the source of all evil in the world. I had never heard of either of these people before I started following birfers.
You forgot George Soros so its basically two jews and a black guy is the cause of all evil.
I have to retract this statement.
From the dates (1961) for the COLB and 1995 for the LFBC, I conclude that it is likely that both were provided to Miki by the same person, who would have been 33 years of age in 1995 when her child was born.
Are both certificates under suspicion by Vogt?
If one is under suspicion, it’s a safe bet Vogt thinks they both are.
It was the races that did it for me, finally.
Yes, I got the references to Woodman’s site. So we have two forged documents from the same person 🙂 Hilarious… Really, Vogt may need to think a bit more about all of this…
What both documents have done is shown that the claims of forgery for Obama’s LFBC are without merit… Of course, that requires these documents to be forgeries as well..
I was considering an article on Vogt’s “scientific method.”
That would be a fascinating article Doc…
That’s the one thing that no birther can afford to do. Trying to impose internal consistency to birther “theories” inevitably results in logical contradictions. Whether or not Vogt realizes it, there is no possible narrative of President Obama’s birth and its documentation that is consistent with the established facts and Mr. Vogt’s alleged forger.
I’ve said before that I thought that the LFBC pdf forgery theories were the stupidest and most inane in all of birferstan (which is saying a lot), but Vogt just turned it up to eleven. If it weren’t for the false accusation regarding the innocent bystander, he’d just be an amusing fool…
Two questions: what about the Obama birth certificate that resides in Hawaii Registrar Alvin Onaka’s office safe?
What about the Hawaii long form Certificate of Live Birth that the “Freeper” who was user-named “Danae” (Diana Cotter) got directly from Registrar Onaka? Does it factor in anywhere?
You found one? 😛
Vogt has not said anything about Danae’s BC and my guess is he does not believe that there is a genuine Hawaiian BC for Pres. Obama in Onaka’s office safe or anywhere else.
Well, it started because it was one perfect boogeyman they hoped they could associate with Obama, not just as his mentor but as his flesh and blood – black, Communist, “child abuser” (I don’t know if his book “Sex Rebel: Black” is meant to be autobiographical or not), radical. Would’ve been the perfect swift-boating campaign to torpedo Obama’s re-election.
“But elections are off the map now”, you say? Well, birthers never correct any previously espoused theory, so they have to stick with it now.
In fact, if proof surfaced Obama was the son of a French tailor and a Jamaican nurse, birthers would discard it because it contradicts what they have already accepted as gospel.
The only vagueness they allow themselves is whether FMD or Malcolm X is the father. To them, all radical black icons are the same.
I would totally expect a spin along the lines of “he did it on purpose to stir up the ants’ nest, now Obots and the forger are in a panic, any day now!”.
My guess is that he doesn’t give a poop whether or not there is a ‘genuine’ Hawaiian BC for Pres. Obama in Onaka’s office safe or anywhere else. He KNOWS that no one will ever get to look at that document, so he doesn’t care.
I frankly don’t believe that ANYONE Vogt, Taitz, or whomever, really believes the crap they are putting out. They are just putting out crap because that is what they do. Some are scam merchants, some are deluded. But none in my opinion are actually fooled by their own BS. Even the deluded know they are deluded, they just can’t help themselves.
That’s my take, too, Keith.
Now that the “real forger” has been outed, doesn’t the fact that she and her husband are still alive prove that she didn’t forge anything?
Fascinating! Can’t stay, however, the stench of fear is overwhelming. Bye now!
So do you think that you’re Doug Vogt’s Jane Doe #1? The smart money seems to be running that way (not that I think Vogt’s right)?
Always interesting the way birthers want to believe Obama is scared of them, the Obots are scared of them, somebody is scared of them.
I guess they want to deny the obvious reality that they are having no effect at all.
Of course, to have an effect, they would have to convince someone that they are not completely mistaken — and yet, it is almost impossible to get a birther to answer any question or explain anything. It’s always the same — they say stuff, we note that it’s just layer upon layer of errors, they get mad, and that’s the end of it.
Fear of what? So far, all I have seen is much entertainment over the follies of the birthers.
PS, Miki, have you talked to Vogt lately 🙂
Why do you have to run back to President Obama and let him know that Vogt is on to you? LOL
Yes I know the stench of fear emanating from birthers is so overwhelming which is why you guys run every time
Have you considered bathing?
Miki Booth could make this all go away if she just proved she wasn’t a “spy for the Obama Administration and disseminated other forged COLBs to throw off investigators as to the importance of the Birth Certificate number”.
What’s next: a cite back to the landmark case Rubber v. Glue ?
Well there was this guy who was so afraid of what Obama was doing to the country that he killed his wife, his two children and then himself.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/family-annihilator-feared-obama-reelection/
And Rush Limbaugh, who was so afraid of Obama that he left the country after the ACA passed……. oh sorry, I mean he promised to. He didn’t actually keep that promise… no surprise.
Likewise, Bill O’Reilly threatened to quit his job and leave the country over the possibility that his federal tax burden would increase too much.
He’s still here. Sigh . . .
You seem to be the one running away, could that be due to fear? Nobody else is running away. Nobody else seems frightened.. LOL
Doc wrote: “I am not going to name the secret forger, but by the time you finish this article you will know who it is.”
I must have missed something somewhere because I don’t have the faintest idea who this person is…..
I’m in the same situation. After reading the article and the comments, I was left scratching my head in confusion. Is there a link to some website where clueless people like me can be brought up to speed?
Here you go.
When reading that link, be sure you are logged in at The Fogbow. Otherwise you won’t see anything.
I guess I was assuming a bit much.
The birth certificate Vogt is calling “her own certificate” is talked about here in this article:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/09/new-hawaiian-certificate-explodes-birther-theories/
John Woodman calls the person “Hawaii Girl” in his article here:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/07/exclusive-new-girl-confirms-her-parents-race-and-i-crack-the-actual-entries-confirming-that-arpaios-codes-dont-match-the-hawaii-codes-either/
The same techniques used to read the race entries were used to get the name.
John Woodman didn’t mention the name, but it’s on RC’s blog, at The Fogbow, on Scribd, The Free Republic, The Hannity blog, Neal Krawetz’s blog, butterdezillion, Bad Fiction, The Obama File (this is getting depressing), NBC’s blog, Lucas smith’s blog, Amo Probos. I even found it in a comment here (but removed it just now).
The genie is out of the bottle.
Doug Vogt is scheduled to be on Mike Volin’s show on Monday.
I wonder if anyone will ask about Jane Doe #1 (the Spy). Who IMO is a much more fascinating persona than Jane Doe #2 (the Forger).
Got to give it to Vogt …. the old crank manages to keep himself at the forefront of this particular craze!
This is a classic promotion tour to sell his book.
Exactly.