I wrote earlier about Mark Kessler, and included a quote from him given right after hearing Mike Zullo’s closed-door presentation at the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association meeting, that I’ll repeat here:
Ths Barry…he’s not an American, I can tell you that right now. The information that I was given, he’s not an American. He’s not even Kenyan and I’m tellin’ you that when you find out what he is, your blood is gonna boil. The American people are gonna go absolutely crazy if Congress doesn’t do something about this cause he’s not Kenyan and he’s not American. …There’s no record of him prior to the age of five anywhere in this country. Nowhere. The people that…that they say are his parents, guess what? They’re not his real parents. They’re not. I’ve seen the evidence. I’ve seen the evidence and I give kudos to Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio because Joe took this bull by the horns and ran with it.
So what the heck is that all about? Well, look at this bit from Martha Trowbridge today at Birther Report:
Martha Trowbridge 78p · 8 hours ago
Foggy was referencing a several-day twitter debate we [and “Pogue Moran”] were having re: aka Obama’s fugitive mother, known at the time of her 1985 Domestic Terrorism arrest as “Elizabeth Duke”.He was ridiculing my statements indicating that she will be brought to Justice. Another of his ridiculing tweets was something like “You know who runs the Feds? He he he” meaning since Holder’s in charge, fat chance that “Duke” will be taken into custody.
The joke will soon be on all of them.
It seems to me that this might be Zullo’s totally crazy closed-door presentation, and maybe even what he’s been working on all this time. For this to work, they will have to come up with a new non-American father unless Kessler was confused. Note Trowbridge’s word, “soon.”
Is this an early April Fool’s Joke?
Nothing makes sense here Doc. Kessler’s statement was made months and months ago after the silly session at the Cops drinking convention. It doesn’t have anything to do with what ‘Zullo is working on now’ because it is OLD stuff. OK, Zullo might be trying to ‘advance’ that ‘stuff’, I guess.
What is the tie-in between Kessler and Trowbridge/Foggy? That’s where you really lost me. Did Kessler mention Foggy?
I think Zullo is trying to figure out how to show that Baseball is conspiring to prevent Alex Rodriguez from playing for the Devil Rays this year (he ain’t playing for the Yankees, so why not?). I’m sure he can find an Obama/Holder/Clinton involvement in that conspiracy if he squints into the Arizona sun hard enough.
Well, this is birthers. It doesn’t have to make sense. “Soon” and parentage are the common denominators (Trowbridge saying “soon” and Zullo saying March). I would add that Zullo cribs all his stuff from other birthers.
The article is not a joke, but the cold case posse is.
There was no debate with Trowbridge on twitter. She made claims claiming that Obama’s mother was ann newman and elizabeth duke and I said there’s no proof to support that claim. She went around in circles making all sorts of claims she couldn’t prove. I then asked her what separates her from Nancy Ruth Owens, Geir Smith or Linda Joy Adams.. She couldn’t answer that. Then foggy punked her and she ended up blocking him.
Nothing to see here, please move along.
IMO, the Kessler/Zullo claims and the Trowbridge claims are two separate crazy trains. K/Z appear to me to be based on the Gilbert ‘Davis/Dunham are the parents’ nonsense and Trowbridge is on the ‘Malcolm X/Dukes are the parents’ crazy. Two different trains but both heading nowhere.
“The joke will soon be on all of them.”
And our little dog, too?
But that doesn’t add up with “he’s not even American”. As the child of Davis/Dunham, even the Vattelists would have nothing to complain about.
I also fail to see what “He’s not even Kenyan and … when you find out what he is, your blood is gonna boil” is aiming at. What could possibly be “worse than Kenyan” for the racist birthers? Did they find out he was cloned from DNA acquired off Idi Amin and Hitler? This is getting more and more cuckoo.
I think the birthers are in for a huge letdown. Zullo is under pressure to release *something*, and whatever it is will not satisfy them (as Zullo is no John Grisham and couldn’t write a plot for a child’s play).
… except collision. 😉
Muslim.
No, but they could still say fake birth certificate, fraud, terrorist and communist.
“… few committed [birthers] are capable of accepting that cock-ups are more common than conspiracies.”
— Anthony Read, The World on Fire, p. 19
[slight paraphrase]
I see Martha forgot to take her lithium again.
My bet is that there is no relationship between the Kessler and Trowbridge statements except the shared lunacy.
Hadn’t thought of that. Hm, makes sense from a birther’s point of view. If Zullo has “proof” Obama is a Muslim, that would be something birthers *hope* would shock lots of people.
So it would fit the likely “birthers think it’s shocking, everybody else will just shrug and go ‘so?'” scenario.
I wonder if the Beeg Sekrit might be that Obama is Arab, not black, and Saudi Arabian at that.
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=80164
While I would love for this to be the big March announcement, I don’t see it happening. I’m still betting on nothing. I don’t think there will be an announcement at all.
IMO, it will start from the premise that the Selective Service card and birth certificate are definite forgeries therefore anyone from those agencies that say they are legitimate must be part of the cover-up. And any evidence that disputes the finding of forgery must have been faked by those agencies.
Basically, I think it will be a call for some type of investigation of the agencies (Gillar recently listed them) that provided the proof that the BC and SSS card are real. Zullo recently said to expect denials from those involved, so I suspect he is going to point fingers at the Selective Service Administration, the Social Security Administration, Hawaii Government in general and the Hawaii AG’s and DOH officials specifically.
I expect a lot of arm waving, dot connecting and finger pointing with some questionable documentation (e.g. the mailman) and no real evidence. True believers will swallow it hook, line and sinker but I suspect it won’t go over very well with many in the birther community, who are expecting criminal indictments.
Zoo Low will come out and announce the NEW Criminal Case against Obama is 1 Billion Percent proven, but that since we don’t want our children to have to live in a shattered Universe, all the charges and proof are going into a time-capsule to be opened a hundred years from now. Meanwhile, time capsules are not cheap, am I right about that, Mike?
And Karl Gall Oops! will declare, “There! That should take care of all the naysayers who claimed we didn’t ave anything on Obama!”
That’s right, Karl. But, most important, it has to be guarded so the Obots can’t mess with it and destroy the Sup3r S3kr1t Evydunce. That’s why it’s going to be buried underneath a new house I’m building on some property I bought in Argentina. I’ll be living right on top of it, so I can guard it 24 hours a day. And Argentina has no extradition treaty with the U.S., so the Obots won’t be able to use the corrupt courts to force me away from my sacred duty.
But this is gonna cost, so we’ll need those patriots to dig extra deep, and click those paypal buttons, so we can protect the all-important evidence until we’ve secured the country so we can use it to go after the criminals.
Is it me or does it look like the birthers are becoming increasingly unhinged, relying on crazier and crazier schemes?
I (almost) miss Meretricious Mario’s lewis-carrolian epistles.
Hmmm…this strikes me as one of the more plausible scenarios I’ve seen. It carries the illusion that Zullo is doing something birthery but doesn’t imply further action on his part since he has no control over these agencies.
I’m with Thinker: it’s a very good analysis, with plausible conclusions.
One point of confusion: why the Hawaii AG in particular? Was Nagamine, or one of the other attorneys that dissed them during their
vacationinvestigatory expedition, with the AG’s office?I have doubts about them going after the Social Security Administration, though: the sight of Orly’s head on a pike outside their walls seems likely to deter them. The more clear it becomes that “Harrison J Bounel” was almost certainly a prank in the spirit of the FKBC, and that Orly’s claim that they’re hiding his file is a product of her stupid misunderstanding of the FOIA responses, the less likely they are to join that fight (which they’ve avoided so far, iirc). The odds against it will go up if her Second Amended Screech has been wadded up and tossed in the wastebasket by then.
One other possible clue that may need to be in the mix is that last autumn Gallups blurted out that part of The Big reveal™ would have to do with “the motivation for the forgery”. That may, or may not, already be adequately covered by your scenario.
Gillar in his call to the Volin show mentioned travel restrictions to Pakistan and not being able to travel there on a US passport. So I would not be surprised to see Orly’s student loan office lady being mentioned as a witness about the President getting a loan as a foreign student.
I’ve wondered about the motivation behind repeatedly making such exaggerated claims such as universe shattering. Are they trying to smoke out a whistleblower? ‘Come forward now or face the consequences.’ I got to believe that they are flummoxed that no one has come forward to leak information about the forgeries. No Deep Throat meetings in dark parking structures, no microfilm hidden in pumpkins, that sort of thing. That really has to bug them. So that might explain all the “people are going to jail” talk and their hints that the Xerox discoveries led to the need for a “real” criminal investigation. Try to scare someone into talking.
The other thing is they must be frustrated that they can’t get their hands on any real records. Everyone has told them to basically drop dead. Which I’m sure to them is stonewalling. So maybe all this bluster is an attempt to create enough smoke that someone with real authority will ask to see the records. If there had never been a Donald Trump, would there have been a LFBC PDF?
The way I heard it, Zullo’s given up on finding a really big duck and is just working on rigging the scales.
Their “Shocking!” and “Earth-shattering!!!” evydunce didn’t even make a ripple in the real world, so they have to assure their marks that they now have something even bigger (There was a thread a few months ago, either here or at RC’s blog, about the characteristics of a con game, that explained the importance of keeping the victims wound up). And “Solar-system-sundering!” and “Galaxy-gutting!” were probably too sophisticated for their target audience’s limited understanding of cosmology. So they went for the ultimate. Besides, this is probably their last shot, so they have to “Go big, or go home”.
You know (if you are honest), that you don’t know what Mike Zullo has as far as evidence.
So, if you don’t know what evidence he has, then you are guessing. If you base an assessment of what you think he knows on previous releases of information, then you are still guessing.
You have to include in your assessments the possibility (however small a probability in your estimation) of new and possibly “universe shattering” information being released.
Are you willing to bet the farm on the assumption that the information is not “universe shattering?”
They are trying to desperately figure out how to gracefully exit the investimagination conundrum.
They’ve gone through all the phony ploys to solicit help from members of Congress and now they can say “We’ve tried everything!” Now we’ll tell you everything that we tried and who let us down…..(drum roll)….in a second book for only $24.99 available at XYZ.con. (Con not Com.)
I expect it will fold soon. There is no place to go and Private Z knows it.
In the meantime, send more money!
Duh. Of course I am guessing about what Zullo might claim in the future, and perhaps Zullo doesn’t even know what his universe-shattering evidence is. All I know is that every issue raised by Zullo so far has proven bogus; he stands before the world as the “boy who cried wolf” and not as the official expert law enforcement investigator that he makes himself out to be. I think I have proven that he lied about evidence, and one just has to read and listen to him to see obvious attempts to mislead.
Of course there is always a possibility that Obama has come scandal in his past, but Zullo being the one to discover it is beyond what I consider remotely possible.
The tenor of your argument seems to me something like: extremely audacious claims of great disaster must be taken seriously, no matter how ludicrous they appear. I reject that. If I were to claim that Obama had put a nuclear weapon in your refrigerator and that if you opened the door your whole town would be destroyed, would you bet the farm on me being wrong and open the refrigerator anyway? Of course you would. That may help you to understand why I am not spending a second worrying about anything Zullo does–poking fun, yes, but not worrying.
Now answer me this: are you willing to bet the farm that there IS some universe-shattering evidence against Obama about to come from Zullo?
IpsoFacto
“Are you willing to bet the farm on the assumption that the information is not “universe shattering?”
The only thing that is universe shattering is the so called investimagination and the absolute fools who have had the wool pulled over their eyes and have believed the Klown Kar Posse’s fiction.
I expect something like…..”Wow! I mean……WOW! This is bigger than anything we ever expected. Much bigger than anything we can deal with at our pay grade so we’re calling on the highest levels of our government – all branches – to take over and, of course, if they don’t that proves our case. Adios!”
What is your estimation of what Zullo has and is going to say?
By the way, in what way am I “betting the farm”?
IpsoFacto: Are you willing to bet the farm on the assumption that the information is not “universe shattering?”
I may be guessing but I think Ipso believes that you, RC and Foggy are going to be facing stiff prison sentences if not execution for posting your blogs. Birthers have never had a strong grasp on reality.
Oh yeah. I’m even willing to bet that somebody who lets a used car salesman sell them the same lemon, time after time, without even changing his sales pitch has a screw loose.
Actually, having spent as much time as I have lovingly considering Zullo’s incompetent affidavits I’m in a very good position to know with great confidence what Zullo has as far as evidence. And what I know is this:
Anything Zullo “has” that is true is also trivial.
Anything that Zullo “has” that is compromising to the President is untrue.
This is his pattern as demonstrated over the last two years in multiple news conferences, public statements and birther media interviews. He has proven repeatedly to be an incompetent buffoon, demonstrating in spades the characteristics and behaviors that assuredly account for his excruciatingly short careers in law enforcement and as a private investigator.
What a shame, of course, that there have never been, in all of US history, travel restrictions to Pakistan on a US passport.
Ever.
Ran, you eternal optimist you 😉
Latest drive-by “Ip” isn’t saying you are betting the farm, just asking whether you were willing to bet the farm. Check that post, he carefully avoided committing to anything. After all, he’s just asking questions.
Ip’s post inspired my own, new test of Birfer Ignorance of the Improbable: I am willing to bet any and all birthers who are willing to buy lottery tickets that each of their tickets are not jackpot winners. Any sum the birther is willing to stake, for as many tickets as they are willing to buy, for any state or multistate lottery.
Just think of it, dear birthers! You could hit the lottery and take home JPotter’s cash!
I could expand this offer to include progressive slot machines as well … 😉
You’re wasting precious time!
You should be begging every friend and relative for money even if that’s just weird Uncle Fred who drinks all day and gets weepy.
Give it all including your very last dime to Zullo for his investigation.
Sell everything!
Prove your support! Prove that you’re no lying, cowardly hypocrite!
Bet your own farm right now because you believe in Zullo!!!!
P.S. And please, please be a dear, little lamb and let us know how this works out for you.
But to answer the question whether I am “willing to be the farm,” I have to understand in what way I would be betting the farm. I have some timber land (tree farm) that I suppose would be destroyed when the universe shattered, but I really don’t see how my actions affect that one way or another.
obama’s toast
sound the alarm!
though i wouldn’t
bet the farm
burma shave
Your “universe”? Maybe. Mine, not so much.
Well, Doc, Goldwater was from Arizona, and truly, the birfers are his (really, really extreme) heirs:
“I would remind you that [willingness to intentionally shatter the universe] in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of ‘justic[iness]’ is no [way to run a con]!”
I take it that ‘moderation’ in the case of the CCCP would mean making phone calls to Hawaii, rather than taking gov’t-subsidized vacations there. 😉
You know, if it were me, and I had to choose between letting a usurper off the hook and annihilating all existence, I’d let the usurpation slide. I’d let it slide every time. All day. Every day. For all eternity.
Clearly, I’m not the upstanding, erect man of principle High Commandant Zullo is. No wonder I don’t have a legion of keyboard warriors hanging on my every syllable! A compromise, situational schmuck like me inspires no one.
I would certainly be betting any and all farms I could pretend I had title to against whatever the birfers were willing to put up—and why not, It’s a sure thing, so go all in, and then some. But those cheapskate birfers are just using figure of speech.
Or expecting someone else to take up their side of the wager. All lip and no action out of that lot!
I like that word.
From my observation of your posts, it is not necessary to provide a counterpoint to your posts because you answer your own posts. with this type of ability, I can see how you think you know what zullo has/doesn’t have. perhaps you should rename this blog to three blind men and an elephant. i’ll be the elephant…..and yes, there is a double-entendre in there somewhere.
Was there a point in there?
I don’t care what you do, but I am NOT touching your trunk.
You have to forgive us if, after 2 years of “something big is coming,” we are not impressed. Let’s look at “this is it, for real, it’s big” list, shall we.
1. A recycled and already debunked article by the Daily Pen on the coding publication (hello, wrong year).
2. They were about to name the suspect. That was over a year ago, I think.
3. The big reveal will happen in December 2012. Wait, now we are on Plan B in few months. Now we are back to plan A.
4. Steve Stockman. Need I say more.
5. Congressmen are on board. We have VIPs. What happen to them?
6. It is an official MCSO investigation with a deputy, oh wait, not it’s not.
You see, it would not only be the Doc and the rest of us here who do not have the “big, universe shattering evidence.” The County Attorney does not have it either, and has said the little he had from the Sheriff was not evidence.
After 2 years of snake oil salesman pitches, we expect very little this March.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 15,000,000 times, call me a birther.
In order for there to be a double entendre in there you’d have to show you have an ability to understand what the phrase double-entendre means. The problem is that Zullo has shown an inability to get a single claim right. Most of the “newer” stuff he comes out with has been over 6 month old debunked birther nonsense. He recycles old claims as if they were new. Also one only has to look at the Rep Woodall call which made him look like a buffoon who had no actual sales pitch, no secret evidence and realized it so quickly that they pulled it offline. Seriously though Ipso how many times are you willing to be fooled by this hurry up and wait game that Zullo pulls?
Not to mention that going over the entire Cold Case Posse Timeline March isn’t the only deadline he’s given and missed
http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/mcso-cold-case-posse-timeline/
Well, to say the least, you’re obviously not very big on that whole observation thing, are you?
donald trump: “they cannot believe what they’re finding.”
neither did we.
That man needs to will his skull to DARPA, so we can develop an unbeatable lead in tank and battleship armor.
I really liked the comment one poster made about buying the same lemon from the same used car salesman time after time without questioning it.
My question, since we know, as in has been proven, that the klown prince has lied and lied repeatedly, and his list of lies would be voluminous, is there a short of list of anything that he has said that has turned out to actually be true?
My favourite was the recent “two full-time detectives are working on the investigation” and how it was backpedaled to “we never said the two are working full-time on the investigation” within 2 days. That was a record time for birthers admitting to having misled their followers, if not the first time ever.
It’s also amazing how quickly they forgot the Nov 19 KKKlayman rally was supposed to be the end of the usurper. Now they’re all hoping for the March Surprise and are already prepared to postpone to their next OMG moment, the “American Spring” in May.
ND
“My question, since we know, as in has been proven, that the klown prince has lied and lied repeatedly, and his list of lies would be voluminous, is there a short of list of anything that he has said that has turned out to actually be true?”
One cricket chirping in the darkness……
Apparently he hasn’t bothered to lie about his name. Heh.
The only point to such a list would be new information that he introduced that were true. Assuming Hayes actually produced a report, that would be true. He said they found Verna K. Lee in a facility in Hawaii, seems to have been true.
As you can see, you have to go scraping to find bits of truth.The man’s mission is promoting falsehood.
“It seems to me that this might be Zullo’s totally crazy closed-door presentation …”
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Well, Doc, it’s crazy enough, but isn’t the impending revelation in March supposed to shatter the universe? I figured that he had probable cause to show that the President is Satan incarnate, and in March the Messiah will lift the veils from our eyes at the press conference–effectively shattering the universe as we know it. I can’t think of any other scenario that could shatter the universe, but I guess we’ll just have to wait for the day they hold the press conference–and, in the meantime, pray and get straight with G-d before that day of reckoning….
Zullo’s multiverse-shattering revelation about the President:
Now E = MCHammer.
Damn you, Obama!
Yeah, that would do it. I never took Zullo for the religious type, but maybe he is about to go cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
I see denial, not admission.
Which was no great feat of detective work. She is listed in the phone book.
So is Xerox. Too bad he didn’t find them.
C’mon, I was foolishly trying to answer ND’s ? as to anything Zullo has said that was true. And I noted you do have to scrape that barrel. It’s like … sifting a bucket of mud 😉
And it was a new bit of information …. I don’t think anyone else had managed the necessary indecency it takes to pester an elderly woman about freakin’ birtherism!
Next to “The Friends of Richard Nixon” and “The Wit of Orly Taitz”.
The insanity of birtherism and its numerous permutations reminds me of when I recounted a campus legend in one of my graduate courses. The professor smiled and remarked, “That doesn’t make sense.” I responded, “It’s not supposed to!” A doctoral student chimed in, “That’s why it’s a legend!”
But birthers seem to follow the old dictum from “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance” ; when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
Thirty years ago I was working in a company’s regional office in Denver. My boss received a memo from the manager of the Salt Lake City office, who had just gotten some instructions from the home office. “Please review this memo from the home office,” the manager wrote. “It doesn’t make any sense.”
My boss wrote back, “It came from the home office. It doesn’t have to make any sense.”
Are you guys talking about Bill Brasky?
You know Bill Brasky?
I know Bill Brasky he’s a real SOB
I once saw him scissor kick Angela Landsbury.