The occasional open thread: gastrointestinal distressing edition

Posted on February 23, 2014 by Dr. Conspiracy

Put your Obama Conspiracy comments not related to the current articles here. This thread will close in two weeks.

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421 Responses to The occasional open thread: gastrointestinal distressing edition

  1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 2:02 am  (Quote)

    Back to Nancy’s tall tale about the subs. She said they had been under a few hundred feet. With the average depth of the lake only being 9 feet I’d say your calculation is off by quite a bit. Also what was the height of the sub?

  2. Daniel says:
    February 23, 2014 at 2:25 am  (Quote)

    Nancy is a special kind of….. well, special

  3. RanTalbott says:
    February 23, 2014 at 2:39 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Back to Nancy’s tall tale about the subs

    Please don’t. Seriously: that’s become just sad and painful to watch, and I was really hoping it was dead when I saw that Doc had started a new open thread.

    I wanted to start a disussion about whether the switch to referring to computer files as “documents” might have influenced the way people misperceive the PDF and its lack of any real importance. E.g., Corporal Zullo claiming (and, apparently, actually believing) that a “forged PDF document” is some sort of crime, and the number of people who still think that “anomalies” in the PDF somehow call the document it was scanned from into question. Would people still think of it the same way if it were still usually called a “file”, a somewhat vaguer term that doesn’t match its real-world analogue as closely as “document”?

    But if I have to keep wading through Lake Okechobee to get to any responses, I think I’ll just unsubscribe from the thread.

  4. Lupin says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:01 am  (Quote)

    This article below….

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/08/the-fixs-first-rankings-of-the-2016-republican-presidential-field/

    ……suggests that the top 3 GOP contenders for 2016 are Rubio, Christie and Jindal, which in birthers’ terminology translate as : brown, race traitor and brown.

    The 2012 clown posse was nothing compared to what we’ll be seeing (IMHO).

  5. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:52 am  (Quote)

    In reference to the Tiffany Sessions case. I suppose you guys have never heard of “conspiracy.” I There are things that poor, poor daddy Sessions wants to keep hidden from you. Like, the truth. I’m not going to waste my time with it here. I will dare you to contact Doug and Joe Hagmann from the BlogTalk radio show Hagmann and Hagmann and ask them if they have any knowledge of me claiming the Tifffany Sessions kill. My aka is “Pablo’s ‘White Rabbit.'”

    Next, ask them if it seems a little bit strange that just around the time that I’m posting this, someone who lived within blocks of her at that time, and a full 25 years later, this case just “magically” seems to get solved, suspect and all. Wow! Amazing deductive powers that took 25 years. Nope. Sorry. Daddy Sessions, who had some sort of connection with Pablo Escobar, knew within days that his little assassin wanna-be was dead.

    Daddy Sessions went from giving a “My poor baby is missing” speech on the front lawn of a hotel to jumping upstairs with his son in tow to a “special party” where he and his son were the “first” guests because of their grief. Little did they know that Pablo had a special surprise for them. Just as things were “heating up” in this bedroom, Pablo pulls out this pretty “blonde” wig. It looked so “bloody real” and he put in on my head. I took over from there and continued Pablo little psyops game with great delight.

    Can you people read between these lines?

    Again, do you people understand the nature of conspiracies and why they are so desperate to keep them secret? No, I doubt that you do.

  6. roxy7655 says:
    February 23, 2014 at 11:09 am  (Quote)

    For what it’s worth RT, that is a perceptive insight and an important one.

    I might just add that “document” is properly understood as recording something that exists outside the document; the document itself only has significance in relation to what it records. It is not sacred. It is accurate or inaccurate… that is all.

  7. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 12:04 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    Back to Nancy’s tall tale about the subs.She said they had been under a few hundred feet.With the average depth of the lake only being 9 feet I’d say your calculation is off by quite a bit.Also what was the height of the sub?

    I kind of assumed she meant they had been moving forward for a few hundred feet……not submerged a few hundred feet…..which is why I asked how she got back to shore after jumping out the hatch.

    I’m still interested in finding out how many people she is willing to claim she killed.

    And, no, I don’t believe a word she says but I am fascinated by her ability to keep weaving the tale.

  8. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: I wanted to start a disussion about whether the switch to referring to computer files as “documents” might have influenced the way people misperceive the PDF and its lack of any real importance. E.g., Corporal Zullo claiming (and, apparently, actually believing) that a “forged PDF document” is some sort of crime, and the number of people who still think that “anomalies” in the PDF somehow call the document it was scanned from into question. Would people still think of it the same way if it were still usually called a “file”, a somewhat vaguer term that doesn’t match its real-world analogue as closely as “document”?

    The whole thing about the PDF being “forged” and hence a crime is nonsense.

    Early on in this never ending tale I asked john (or one of the birthers) if they thought posting a picture of the Mona Lisa amounted to a computer forgery of that image. I don’t recall getting a answer.

  9. The European says:
    February 23, 2014 at 3:02 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin:
    This article below….

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/08/the-fixs-first-rankings-of-the-2016-republican-presidential-field/

    ……suggests that the top 3 GOP contenders for 2016 are Rubio, Christie and Jindal, which in birthers’ terminology translate as : brown, race traitor and brown.

    The 2012 clown posse was nothing compared to what we’ll be seeing (IMHO).

    Lupin, that is outdated. Christie is brunt. I find more interesting the amount of birthers who comment there (on Rubio and Jindal). Birthers everywhere ….

  10. The European says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm  (Quote)

    Doc, thinking about the title of this thread: get well.

    /offtopic
    The most impressing story about “gastrointestinal distress” can be found in the sequel to “Das Boot” by Buchheim “Die Festung” (I found no English version of that book).

    Imagine a submarine, overcrowded with dozens of people who try to get out of a French port, all of them suffering of the shits and not allowed to blast out the holding tanks – the submarine hunters are waiting for a sign of “the boat”…….

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Festung_%28Buchheim%29
    (let google translate – badly)

  11. ASK Esq says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm  (Quote)

    The newest and. perhaps, nuttiest flight of fantasy from Birtherstan comes, of course, courtesy of Butterdezillion. She now claims that the video taken after Loretta Fuddy’s fatal plane crash shows a frogman in the water, apparently delivering a lethal shot of something to Ms. Fuddy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvn8iPE4l-8&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3125646/posts

    She certainly is a never-ending source of amusement.

  12. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:10 pm  (Quote)

    In my opinion Christie had no chance even before the bridge. Skeletons in closet.

  13. Rickey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:57 pm  (Quote)

    Docket update: New York’s response in the SCOTUS appeal of Laity v. New York is due tomorrow. Most likely there will be no response and the case will then be scheduled for a conference (and almost certainly will be dead listed). Stay tuned.

  14. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I kind of assumed she meant they had been moving forward for a few hundred feet……not submerged a few hundred feet…..which is why I asked how she got back to shore after jumping out the hatch.

    I’m still interested in finding out how many people she is willing to claim she killed.

    And, no, I don’t believe a word she says but I am fascinated by her ability to keep weaving the tale.

    A few hundred feet? Where the heck did you get that? It’s says quite plainly “moving FORWARD a few hundred feet.” Not downward or under. I don’t believe you know how to read.

  15. Rickey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I will dare you to contact Doug and Joe Hagmann from the BlogTalk radio show Hagmann and Hagmann and ask them if they have any knowledge of me claiming the Tifffany Sessions kill. My aka is “Pablo’s ‘White Rabbit.’”

    I dare you to turn yourself in to the Gainesville police.

  16. Rickey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:06 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    In my opinion Christie had no chance even before the bridge. Skeletons in closet.

    Plus the right wing doesn’t trust him. Yesterday I received a forwarded e-mail from some guy I know slightly which claimed that Obama ordered the flag flown at half-mast for Whitney Houston but didn’t do it for Shirley Temple Black. I told him that it was Chris Christie, not Obama, who ordered the flags in New Jersey flown at half-mast for Houston. His response:

    “Chris Christie is nothing more than BHO’s ‘RINO’ puppet, if you ask me.”

  17. gorefan says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:19 pm  (Quote)

    ASK Esq:
    apparently delivering a lethal shot of something

    As bizarre as that is, I think she actually believes Director Fuddy is alive and was given a new id. She also thinks there were more people on the plane than were reported and that all the passengers and the pilot know more than they are saying. Oh yeah, the Coast Guard rescue swimmers are in on it.

    It’s a blend of Agatha Christie’s “Murder on the Orient Express” with Hitchcock’s “The Lady Vanishes” and her writings about her computer files being changed as she watches it in real time is right out of either “Gaslight” or “The Matrix”.

  18. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:37 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Again, do you people understand the nature of conspiracies and why they are so desperate to keep them secret? No, I doubt that you do.

    So desperate, in fact, that they allow you, involved in every conspiracy since the disappearance of Spartacus, to just sit there in front of your computer and babble away gigabyte after gigabyte.

    Yes mam, that makes sense.

  19. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 5:38 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: In my opinion Christie had no chance even before the bridge. Skeletons in closet.

    Agreed. An interesting sideshow but never a real contender.

  20. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 6:10 pm  (Quote)

    By way of elaboration, now that I have a full keyboard under my fingers…

    According to the book Double Down: Game Change 2012, Romney opposition research turned up so much dirt on Christie that they didn’t take him seriously as a candidate.

    Dr. Conspiracy: In my opinion Christie had no chance even before the bridge. Skeletons in closet.

  21. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: I dare you to turn yourself in to the Gainesville police.

    I have contacted the FBI. What more do you need? Would you like for me to go to Gainesville and conduct the investigation myself?

  22. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm  (Quote)

    And Generalissimo McInnish is still dead in Alabama.

    Rickey: Docket update:

  23. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 6:31 pm  (Quote)

    I assumed that Zullo hasn’t trusted anyone with a copy of the Reed Hayes report, but I read a private message talking about “Reed Hayes Report” possibly to be sent to Orly Taitz by someone in Hawaii (I don’t have a name). If it does get sent, you can bet Orly will have it filed in Mississippi in a few minutes.

  24. gorefan says:
    February 23, 2014 at 6:34 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Reed Hayes report

    I wonder if Hayes still stands by the report.

  25. Joey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 7:14 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    By way of elaboration, now that I have a full keyboard under my fingers…

    According to the book Double Down: Game Change 2012, Romney opposition research turned up so much dirt on Christie that they didn’t take him seriously as a candidate.

    And yet Romney and Christie will be fundraising together next Thursday in Boston for the a Republican Governors Association.

  26. Bob Isham says:
    February 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm  (Quote)

    It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid. When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class. The murky past, Socialist History, terrorist buddy, and so many things secret about his past are really hard to dismiss. Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

  27. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 7:38 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I have contacted the FBI. What more do you need? Would you like for me to go to Gainesville and conduct the investigation myself?

    How exactly do you think this is a federal crime as opposed to a local crime? It’s funny how you went to the FBI about other “stuff” but not this. Wow you called the switchboard and talked to an operator. Why not go to the local FBI field office and turn yourself in?

  28. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: A few hundred feet? Where the heck did you get that? It’s says quite plainly “moving FORWARD a few hundred feet.” Not downward or under. I don’t believe you know how to read.

    Umm no your original comment said “We had gone under for a few hundred feet. Successful.” You went under for a few hundred feet. Claiming that means you submerged underwater to a depth of a few hundred feet. Not that you went forward a few hundred feet. I don’t think you know how to articulate yourself property.

  29. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 7:49 pm  (Quote)

    This site concerns itself with conspiracy theories and fringe views about Barack Obama, not whether he is a good or bad president.

    Since I know full well that the “millions to hide records” story is complete hogwash, it looks more like you are the consumer of the tainted beverage, not me.

    But “worst president”? You should read up on Calvin Coolidge, and unlike Obama who won a second term handily, Franklin Pierce wasn’t even re-nominated by his party.

    Bob Isham: It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid. When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class. The murky past, Socialist History, terrorist buddy, and so many things secret about his past are really hard to dismiss. Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

  30. Joey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:00 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham:
    It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid.When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class.The murky past, Socialist History, terrorist buddy, and so many things secret about his past are really hard to dismiss.Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

    Are you really as ignorant as your post would seem to indicate? Perhaps you should read the statement of fellow Harvard Law School student Bradford Berenson who was an editor of the Harvard Law Review when Barack Obama was President of Volume.
    Mr Berenson went on to become Associate White House Counsel for President George W. Bush:
    Berenson’s comment is the fourth down in the article:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/obama/harvard.html

  31. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:11 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: A few hundred feet? Where the heck did you get that? It’s says quite plainly “moving FORWARD a few hundred feet.” Not downward or under. I don’t believe you know how to read.

    I know how to read. Here is what I read, from you in the “eschewing obfuscation” open thread from you last evening:

    “I killed him with the only thing I could find which was a pipe wrench to the skull. We had gone under for a few hundred feet.”

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/02/the-occasional-open-thread-eschewing-obfuscation/#comment-315399

    Notice that the world “forward” – capitalized or not – does not appear in what you posted.

    Now, while we wait for an apology, how about an answer to a simple question: How many people have you killed?

  32. Soduko says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:13 pm  (Quote)

    You are right, of course, Joey, but Bob is not interested in any info that contradicts his bias. Loads of newspaper articles when BHO became first black president of law review, even a YouTube video of him giving a speech. Why bother looking it up? He will just be disappointed.

  33. Joey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:20 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham:
    It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid.When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class.The murky past, Socialist History, terrorist buddy, and so many things secret about his past are really hard to dismiss.Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

    As to Barack Obama’s presidency and its impact on free enterprise, on the first day of the Obama administration (1/20/09) the Dow-Jones Industrial Average closed at 7,921; the NASDAQ was at 1,441 and the Standard and Poor’s ended the stock trading day at 805.
    On last Friday, February 21, 2014, the stock market closed at: 16,130 for the Dow-Jones; 4,273 for the NASDAQ and 1,841 for the Standard & Poor’s Index (S & P).
    That’s right, stocks have more than doubled under Obama.

  34. Joey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:21 pm  (Quote)

    Soduko:
    You are right, of course, Joey, but Bob is not interested in any info that contradicts his bias. Loads of newspaper articles when BHO became first black president of law review, even a YouTube video of him giving a speech.Why bother looking it up?He will just be disappointed.

    A mind suffering from the debilitating effects of Obama Derangement Syndrome is such a terrible thing to waste.

  35. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:26 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham: I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    Any day now?

  36. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:28 pm  (Quote)

    Joey: That’s right, stocks have more than doubled under Obama.

    All part of the plan…..all part of the plan. Make investors rich and lull them into a false sense of prosperity. Can’t you see it????

  37. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:34 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham:
    It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid.When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class.The murky past, Socialist History, terrorist buddy, and so many things secret about his past are really hard to dismiss.Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

    Bob why do you believe such absolute BS that you can’t actually prove? Like say the he spent millions to hide records claim. There has never been a birther who has presented anything to back up this claim. Why would he have to spend any money for records that are already protected by federal law? Like say Education records which are covered under FERPA. Birth records which are covered under state privacy laws and medical records which would be covered under HIPAA. Maybe you should ask yourself why you only concerned yourself with Obama’s records and not any president before him?

    Another lie you bought hook line and sinker that no one remembered him nor any one from his law class. No birther has been that specific in that claim. In fact many people remember him he’s just a small slice: http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/

    There is no “socialist history”, He wasn’t a “buddy” of bill ayers, He wrote two books before running for president. There are articles on him going back to the 90s and you can find articles about his times in college. He was on the history channel during his time in college and there were plenty of interviews before he ran. It’s not his fault you decided not to actually read any of the materials. You’re really saying the Illinois prison is one of the nicest buildings in the US? You should try acquainting yourself with American architecture more heres just a few: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Favorite_Architecture

    Also for your information many here didn’t vote for Obama nor could be considered Obama lovers. There’s a difference between supporting him and saying he is legally and lawfully the President. Even so we can chalk up American history to stuff you don’t know. You really think he’s worse than Buchanan? Van Buren, Andrew Johnson or Warren G Harding? Okay we’ve established things you believe that are false. Now is there anything you believe that is true?

  38. JPotter says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:38 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Nancy R Owens: A few hundred feet?

    Just for the novelty of the experience, I’ll defend NRO a bit here. While she didn’t express herself very clearly, nor does she give the impression of being at all familiar with the ways of submariners, it is common to hear real submariners talk of “running submerged” and of being “under” for a span of time or a distance traveled.

    After all, Jules Verne certainly didn’t mean his title to imply that the Nautilus dove to a depth of 20,000 leagues beneath the waves …. and thus found itself making a voyage From the Earth to the Moon !

    Now, I am also wondering how many hapless person the dread NRO has dispatched, what she did with the remains, and why the local coroner wasn’t notified. Can’t just leave bodies laying around. It’s unseemly and highly improper.

  39. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 8:53 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: How exactly do you think this is a federal crime as opposed to a local crime?It’s funny how you went to the FBI about other “stuff” but not this.Wow you called the switchboard and talked to an operator.Why not go to the local FBI field office and turn yourself in?

    This case just got “solved.” This is so funny. Ok. So, now I have to take a course in heirarchal structures of the United States Government?

    Conversation at the local community college:

    “Hi. I am a serial killer with tons of information on these crooked, murderous, lying politicians. I’ve already called the FBI on at least three separate occassions, earned a degree in Journalism and was almost murdered two weeks into my new reporting job, openly accused the local Sheriff of wrongdoing with LITERALLY hundreds of LAW ENFORCEMENT personnel attending the funeral our the previous Sheriff who was just murdered days before, killed Pablo Escobar only to have it claimed by that scumbag Bill Clinton (why DID they murder Seal Team 6, really?) and several other members of the Medellin Cartel such as Carl Lehder, been drugged by the sheriff, raped by the sheriff and his posse, murdered for the sheriff, cut up bodies for the sheriff and his cartel, hyponotized by the sheriff, been informed by the sheriff that my serial killer name is the “Kaleidoscope Killer,” witnessed the former Fl St Att, brother or cousin of Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi, take a payoff with other unknowns also taking a payoff, murdered for politicians and may have murdered Walter Mondale in 1983, shot the president, contacted every investigator who claims to be searching for the truth about my brothers’ birth certificates only to receive NOT ONE PHONE CALL OR EMAIL IN RETURN, started several webpages detailing some of these murders and Cuba’s white genocide program which included Adam Walsh, contacted America’s Most Wanted through their tipster hotline, called into BlogTalk radio stations (Doc Conspiracy can vouch for that one) and, well, gee, that’s just the tip of the iceberg…….see, I need to take a college course so that I can figure out just who it is I’m supposed to call. Can you help me do that?

    Get a grip.

  40. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:04 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Bob why do you believe such absolute BS that you can’t actually prove?Like say the he spent millions to hide records claim.There has never been a birther who has presented anything to back up this claim.Why would he have to spend any money for records that are already protected by federal law?Like say Education records which are covered under FERPA.Birth records which are covered under state privacy laws and medical records which would be covered under HIPAA.Maybe you should ask yourself why you only concerned yourself with Obama’s records and not any president before him?

    Another lie you bought hook line and sinker that no one remembered him nor any one from his law class.No birther has been that specific in that claim.In fact many people remember him he’s just a small slice: http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/

    There is no “socialist history”, He wasn’t a “buddy” of bill ayers, He wrote two books before running for president.There are articles on him going back to the 90s and you can find articles about his times in college.He was on the history channel during his time in college and there were plenty of interviews before he ran.It’s not his fault you decided not to actually read any of the materials.You’re really saying the Illinois prison is one of the nicest buildings in the US?You should try acquainting yourself with American architecture more heres just a few: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Favorite_Architecture

    Also for your information many here didn’t vote for Obama nor could be considered Obama lovers.There’s a difference between supporting him and saying he is legally and lawfully the President.Even so we can chalk up American history to stuff you don’t know.You really think he’s worse than Buchanan?Van Buren, Andrew Johnson or Warren G Harding?Okay we’ve established things you believe that are false.Now is there anything you believe that is true?

    You’re quoting “Foggy?!” Are you kidding me, here. He censors EVERY single comment that doesn’t agree with his view and gets nervous when someone even comes close to presenting him with the truth. So, to say “no one” remembers Obama because it never appears on Foggy’s site is ludicrous. I remember Allen/Obama so I count as “one.” I’ve ALSO talked to RC which I think is the same person via BlogTalk only to be shouted down. I think Foggy has an awful lot to hide and an awful lot to lose. Let’s start with his freedom for his treasonous, aggressive attempts to obstruct justice.

  41. jd reed says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:08 pm  (Quote)

    There must be some competition somewhere to see who can cram the most debunked Obama legends into one post. Looks like Bob Islam is winning hands down!

  42. Keith says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm  (Quote)

    The European: Imagine a submarine, overcrowded with dozens of people who try to get out of a French port, all of them suffering of the shits and not allowed to blast out the holding tanks – the submarine hunters are waiting for a sign of “the boat”…….

    Is it anything like riding a Greyhound bus with a frozen suspension; 30 kids under the age of 15, 25 of whom have the shits and/or nausea, and you are one of the ‘well’ ones; on a trip that should have taken 2 hours but really took ten and a half because it was through one of the worst blizzards in memory; from some small town in Illinois to some small town in Missouri; where we get 15 minutes to bolt down cold hamburgers as the first food we’ve had all day before rushing across the street to the theater where the audience has been waiting (remarkably patiently) for us to arrive for more than 2 hours and are actually expecting a decent performance; and one kid on the top bench passes out and is caught by his neighbors and safely lowered to the ground all the while the song continues uninterrupted?

    Is it anything like that at all? Because unfortunately, I don’t have to imagine that.

    On the other hand, I don’t have to imagine the standing ovation we got at the end either.

  43. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:18 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Umm no your original comment said “We had gone under for a few hundred feet. Successful.”You went under for a few hundred feet.Claiming that means you submerged underwater to a depth of a few hundred feet.Not that you went forward a few hundred feet.I don’t think you know how to articulate yourself property.

    Forward a few hundred feet. Not under as in down a few hundred feet.

  44. Keith says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:21 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham: [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

    Why bother Doc?

    It’s a trool; follow the dictates of your own site rule pictured so well just above the twitter feed.

  45. Keith says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Now, I am also wondering how many hapless person the dread NRO has dispatched, what she did with the remains, and why the local coroner wasn’t notified. Can’t just leave bodies laying around. It’s unseemly and highly improper.

    The other thing is: what happened to that mini-sub she scuttled? Its gotta be there for some enterprising salvager to find right?

  46. aarrgghh says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:35 pm  (Quote)

    #drivebyBirfer
    #sameOldLies
    tl;dr
    kthxbai
    burma shave

  47. JayHG says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm  (Quote)

    butterdezillion is over at free republic with a thread saying that Fuddy was murdered by a diver who was waiting for the plane in the ocean. I’m not kidding…..

  48. RanTalbott says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Claiming that means you submerged underwater to a depth of a few hundred feet

    Now, my “experience” with submarines is all from movies, but they all followed the same convention as aviation: “Go to xxx feet” is depth or altitude, “go for distance/time” is horizontal travel.

  49. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:45 pm  (Quote)

    You saw it here first (or not).

    Cold Case Cool-Aid™

  50. jd reed says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm  (Quote)

    Crack police work:
    A certain police department has a murder on its hands. Quickly detectives zero in on a suspect, concluding that they have a case so strong that only an alibi that the jury will buy is the suspect’s only hope. To foreclose this potentiality, investigators dig quietly and determine that three persons are most likely to provide that alibi — his wife, his mother and his best friend. So they bring all three in– taking care that they dont see one another. Sure enough all three provide alibris– 100 percent mutually exclusive. So investigators bring in the suspect himself, again making sure he has no inkling that cops have questioned those closest to him.
    And he concocted a fourth alibi involving one of the three, but totally at odds with that person’ s tale.
    Having dotted all the I’s and crossed the t’s, including taping the interviews, police and prosecutors proceed to trial with confidence.
    But if they draw a jury made up of birthers, they’re in trouble. With so many versions to choose from, the birther jurors will conclude that one of them must be true.
    Not a natural born citizen because born in Kenya ..
    or because though born in Hawaii didn’t have two citizen parents ..
    or because though born in Hawaii had dual citizenship at birth .. or because though born in Hawaii forfeited his citizenship with Indonesian stepfather’s adoption.
    I realize these aren’t all mutually exclusive, and some birthers believe Mr. Obama is ineligible for the presidency for four or more reasons.

  51. RanTalbott says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:49 pm  (Quote)

    JayHG: butterdezillion is over at free republic with a thread saying that Fuddy was murdered by a diver who was waiting for the plane in the ocean

    That notion was being floated (so to speak) within a day or two of the crash.

    There are already a couple or three entries in the twitter feed on this page saying her footage doesn’t match the video posted by Fuddy’s fellow passenger.

  52. JayHG says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:50 pm  (Quote)

    ASK Esq:
    The newest and. perhaps, nuttiest flight of fantasy from Birtherstan comes, of course, courtesy of Butterdezillion. She now claims that the video taken after Loretta Fuddy’s fatal plane crash shows a frogman in the water, apparently delivering a lethal shot of something to Ms. Fuddy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvn8iPE4l-8&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3125646/posts

    She certainly is a never-ending source of amusement.

    Sorry – I commented about butterdezillion before reading this thread so I didn’t see your post…yes, the woman is, sadly, well, crazy.

  53. aarrgghh says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:01 pm  (Quote)

    JayHG: butterdezillion is over at free republic with a thread saying that Fuddy was murdered by a diver who was waiting for the plane in the ocean.I’m not kidding…..

    that ship has sunk, so to speak.

    she’s now tried to prove pictures of the downed plane don’t match.

    and after that brilliant bit of defective work nosedived:

    Which means they can be the same planes. Whether they are or not depends on the ID number on the tail of the plane.

    But my next question – the one I was trying to get a handle on when the planes looked different to me – is where are all the people?

    ——

    But now the question becomes what happened to the people?

    … How can these be photos of the same event?

    this is a person incapable of looking at a cloud and not seeing argle bargle derp …

  54. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:11 pm  (Quote)

    JayHG:
    butterdezillion is over at free republic with a thread saying that Fuddy was murdered by a diver who was waiting for the plane in the ocean.I’m not kidding…..

    That’s interesting. How exactly would the diver know where the plane was going to land? If there was a malfunction it could have landed miles away from where this diver was going to be.

  55. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Now, my “experience” with submarines is all from movies, but they all followed the same convention as aviation: “Go to xxx feet” is depth or altitude, “go for distance/time” is horizontal travel.

    But the keyword was go under not go for.

  56. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:42 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: That’s interesting.How exactly would the diver know where the plane was going to land?If there was a malfunction it could have landed miles away from where this diver was going to be.

    Malfunction? Silly man. It’s quite clear the airplane was remotely controlled so that the engine quite at just the right place and it glided into the ocean right where where the diver was waiting. Sheesh!

  57. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:49 pm  (Quote)

    I have been hacking and slashing over at BR again. Not good for the soul.

  58. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:51 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Now, I am also wondering how many hapless person the dread NRO has dispatched, what she did with the remains, and why the local coroner wasn’t notified. Can’t just leave bodies laying around. It’s unseemly and highly improper.

    I’m going to have troubles sleeping tonight; visions of her back yard. Oh, goodness.

  59. JayHG says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:52 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: That’s interesting.How exactly would the diver know where the plane was going to land?If there was a malfunction it could have landed miles away from where this diver was going to be.

    Yes, and when asked that, she just ignores the questions. She ignores ANYTHING that goes against her crackpot conspiracy theories. She was saying that Fuddy was not in the casket and she had precise PROOF with measurements, etc. and when shown she was wrong, she said “I made a mistake” and then proceeded to STILL suggest that Fuddy was not in the casket…..she’s crazy.

  60. CarlOrcas says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:52 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have been hacking and slashing over at BR again. Not good for the soul.

    Which thread? I was just there looking around and left before it ruined my dinner.

  61. Northland10 says:
    February 23, 2014 at 11:29 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham: Factor in the Lying King reputation he has and his desire to cripple private enterprise, redistribute wealth and expand us into a welfare nation where one the nicest buildings in the USA is the Illinois Prison (he supported) and it really starts to stink.

    Thompson Correction Center construction was approved in 1997 when Obama was a freshman senator in a Republican State Senate (and the Governor, for that matter was also a republican). If Obama supported the new construction, as you claim (without any support), then he was supporting a republican bill. Do you check even one of your claims to see if they exist or just assume that, if it is bad about Obama, it must be true.

    Poor little troll.

  62. Rickey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 11:36 pm  (Quote)

    Bob Isham:
    It would seem the vast majority here has, and will continue to drink the KoolAid.When someone spends millions to hide records, not a single person remembers him or even admits to being in his law class.

    It would appear that Peter Wu, Obama’s predecessor as president of the Harvard Law Review, remembers him.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

    his desire to cripple private enterprise.

    How many private enterprises have been nationalized under Obama? Oh yeah, zero. If he is a Socialist, he is the least effective Socialist in history.

    I know you Obama lovers all think he is great but time will prove you wrong and he will go down in history as our very worse President.

    Number of American soldiers killed in Iraq during the Bush administration: 4222
    Number of American soldiers killed in Iraq during the Obama administration: 264

    Number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq during the Bush administration: 31,008
    Number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq during the Obama administration: 1215

    All for a needless was based upon false pretenses. Nothing more needs to be said.

  63. Rickey says:
    February 23, 2014 at 11:46 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I have contacted the FBI. What more do you need? Would you like for me to go to Gainesville and conduct the investigation myself?

    Maybe you called the wrong number. Besides, the FBI is only assisting on the case.

    The case continues to be led by the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office with support from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and through the efforts of the Sessions family. Anyone with information on Tiffany Sessions’ disappearance or knowledge of Paul Rowles is urged to contact the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office at (352) 955-1818 or the Federal Bureau of Investigation at (904) 248-7000.

    http://www.fbi.gov/jacksonville/press-releases/2014/paul-rowles-named-prime-suspect-on-25th-anniversary-of-tiffany-sessions-disappearance

    So you now have the current contact numbers. Are you going to let Paul Rowles take the rap for your crime?

    By the way, how did you dispose of her body? When and where?

  64. Joey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 12:03 am  (Quote)

    Man, the more sane Freepers over at freerepublic.com are annihilating birther Butterdezillion for her two new “Loretta Fuddy was murdered” conspiracy theory threads. It’s great fun to see her take a whoopin’ in her own play pen.

  66. Bovril says:
    February 24, 2014 at 8:27 am  (Quote)

    For those who love themselves some BitterDelusional Extra-Krunchy-Nutbag, the two current Threads O’Insane are…….

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3125646/posts

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3126226/posts

    Oh and BZ is getting very testy with posters there who keep saying that she was proving that Fuddy was murdered…BZ sez that never happened and she iz only askin questoons…..

  67. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 9:36 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: Maybe you called the wrong number. Besides, the FBI is only assisting on the case.

    The case continues to be led by the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office with support from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and through the efforts of the Sessions family. Anyone with information on Tiffany Sessions’ disappearance or knowledge of Paul Rowles is urged to contact the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office at (352) 955-1818 or the Federal Bureau of Investigation at (904) 248-7000.

    http://www.fbi.gov/jacksonville/press-releases/2014/paul-rowles-named-prime-suspect-on-25th-anniversary-of-tiffany-sessions-disappearance

    So you now have the current contact numbers. Are you going to let Paul Rowles take the rap for your crime?

    By the way, how did you dispose of her body? When and where?

    You can come down off of your high horse. I did not chose him as a fall guy. The Alachua County Sheriff’s Department did. Just as Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi chose Allen/Obama. You people really are clueless, aren’t you?

    Here’s video proof that I have attempted to contact the FBI on various issues. This is just one of the videos that I started to keep records of.

    We have a foreign King on the American throne and Cuba owns most of South Florida. You will not know it for about another twenty to thirty years. But, it will come to its fruition. Not an usurper or dictator which implies that he took it by force. A foreign King. They crowned him which makes Congress obsolete. Isn’t it hilarious?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyuuElDomxE

    Here is my YouTube page which describes many, not all, but many of the events of South Florida which Reagan abdicated to the invasion of Castro and the Hispanic New World Order. Enjoy.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/amendment28now

  68. Keith says:
    February 24, 2014 at 9:54 am  (Quote)

    Bovril:
    For those who love themselves some BitterDelusional Extra-Krunchy-Nutbag, the two current Threads O’Insane are…….

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3125646/posts

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3126226/posts

    Oh and BZ is getting very testy with posters there who keep saying that she was proving that Fuddy was murdered…BZ sez that never happened and she iz only askin questoons…..

    One guy doesn’t think Coast Guard rescue teams have ‘sophisticated’ equipment.

    The top rescue service divers in the richest country in the world don’t use ‘sophisticated’ equipment? They just stumble around with Mike Nelson era units do they? First gen Cousteau stuff maybe?

    That’s a whole lotta respek for the Coast Guard in the Birther ranks (not).

    Sheesh.

  69. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:15 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I’m going to have troubles sleeping tonight; visions of her back yard. Oh, goodness.

    Actually, the side yard. One Hendry County Sheriff’s Deputy close to the shed and one unknown male, white I think, closest to the driveway. Dumped there by former Hendry County Sheriff Sermon Dyess, Jr. who served a mere four or five years for protecting the Medellin Drug Cartel.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19930417&id=DUJWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=X-oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2375,5198742

    Here is his father who we murdered. His own son, Sermon Dyess, Jr., more interested in the cocaine goldmine, helped to cover it up and he was actually murdered in the last hour of August the 16, 1980. The cartel got away with it. Within seven months, we, Mark Chapman (aka Hinkley) and I shot President Reagan which they also got away with because that cowardly leader, Reagan, who reportedly only served in the military as a film maker being blind in one eye, chose to turn it into a “Hollywood Jodie Foster Love Story.”

    http://www.odmp.org/officer/4434-sheriff-earl-sermon-dyess-sr

    I want to stress this next sentence:

    THE MEDELLIN CARTEL WITH ALL OF ITS MEMBERS, PABLO, RAFAEL, THE OCHOAS, GRISELDA, RIVI, MICKEY MUNDAY, LA QUICKA, POPEYE, DIEGO, THE CASTRO FAMILY, THE GONZALEZ FAMILY, WALTER NORTON, THE ALLISON FAMILY, AND THE OWENS (Obama included) FAMILY SAT VERY COMFORTABLY IN HENDRY COUNTY AND HAD THE FULL PROTECTION OF THE HENDRY COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT AS THEY PERPETRATED THEIR WHITE GENOCIDE PROGRAM. PABLO ESCOBAR DID NOT LIVE IN COLOMBIA. HE LIVED IN CLEWISTON, FLORIDA, MY HOMETOWN. PABLO BUILT HIS OWN EMBASSY, COMPLETE WITH PRISON, IN CLEWISTON AND HE CAPTURED AND KILLED MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH NO INTERFERENCE FROM REAGAN OR OUR MILITARY.

    King Obama promised you transparency. You are getting transparency. You got a king in the process. But, at least now you know the truth.

    http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com

  71. Whatever4 says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:32 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: You’re quoting “Foggy?!” Are you kidding me, here. He censors EVERY single comment that doesn’t agree with his view and gets nervous when someone even comes close to presenting him with the truth. So, to say “no one” remembers Obama because it never appears on Foggy’s site is ludicrous. I remember Allen/Obama so I count as “one.”I’ve ALSO talked to RC which I think is the same person via BlogTalk only to be shouted down. I think Foggy has an awful lot to hide and an awful lot to lose. Let’s start with his freedom for his treasonous, aggressive attempts to obstruct justice.

    I hesitate to get involved in this discussion, but I was actually the researcher who (along with other Fogbowers) compiled the Fogbow pages of people who knew Obama. All of it came from publicly available sources. The point was to gather together as much as we could in one place. Obama did indeed attend Harvard Law School, as well as Occidental and Columbia, and there are hundreds of people — some famous — that can vouch for that.

    Foggy doesn’t get nervous, he gets excited.

    As for treasonous aggressive attempts to obstruct justice, 2 words: First Amendment.

  72. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:42 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: You can come down off of your high horse. I did not chose him as a fall guy. The Alachua County Sheriff’s Department did. Just as Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi chose Allen/Obama. You people really are clueless, aren’t you?

    It’s an amazing thing about my high horse – I can see reality from here. You should try it.

    And speaking of clueless, Nancy Pelosi’s maiden name is D’Alesandro, not Dalessandro. Her father was Thomas D’Alesandro, who lived in Maryland all of his life. He was in the House of Representatives for eight years and then was Mayor of Baltimore for twelve years. As someone who supposedly has a degree in journalism, you shouldn’t need me to tell you those simple facts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_D%27Alesandro,_Jr.

    We have a foreign King on the American throne

    If Obama is the King, why can’t he get Congress to pass an extension of unemployment benefits? Or immigration reform? A King should be able to do whatever he wants.

  73. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:21 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Malfunction? Silly man. It’s quite clear the airplane was remotely controlled so that the engine quite at just the right place and it glided into the ocean right where where the diver was waiting. Sheesh!

    I concur.

  74. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:26 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    witnessed the former Fl St Att, brother or cousin of Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi, take a payoff with other unknowns also taking a payoff

    Once more, for your edification:

    The former Florida State Attorney is Joseph P. D’Alessandro.

    Nancy Pelosi’s maiden name is D’Alesandro.

    Note the difference in spelling.

    Nancy Pelosi had a brother named Joseph T. D’Alesandro, but he died in 2004:

    D’alesandro, Sr., Joseph T.
    April 25, 2004
    On April 23, 2004, JOSEPH T., SR., youngest son of the late Annunciata and former Mayor Thomas J. D’Alesandro, Jr. and devoted father of Joseph T. D’Alesandro, Jr.; dear brother of former Mayor Thomas J. D’Alesandro, III, Franklin, Nicholas, the Honorable Nancy D’Alesandro Pelosi and the late Hector.

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/keyword/d-alesandro

    Joseph P. D’Alessandro, the former Florida State Attorney, is still alive:

    http://www.goldberg-law.com/meet-us/joseph-dalessandro/

    Nancy Pelosi’s brother was born in Maryland in 1937.

    Joseph P. D’Alessandro was born in Florida in 1939.

    There is no connection between Joseph P. D’Alessandro and Nancy Pelosi. That is yet another figment of your fevered imagination.

  75. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:46 am  (Quote)

    Took a shufti at BR this morning, apparently their latest great white hope is washed up actor and part time cop, Steven “Will Sasso played a better me than I do!” Seagal.

  76. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:57 am  (Quote)

    Whatever4: I hesitate to get involved in this discussion, but I was actually the researcher who (along with other Fogbowers) compiled the Fogbow pages of people who knew Obama. All of it came from publicly available sources. The point was to gather together as much as we could in one place. Obama did indeed attend Harvard Law School, as well as Occidental and Columbia, and there are hundreds of people — some famous — that can vouch for that.

    Foggy doesn’t get nervous, he gets excited.

    As for treasonous aggressive attempts to obstruct justice, 2 words: First Amendment.

    The claim was that “no one” remembers Obama and that your source was Foggy. Foggy DOES get nervous. Very, very nervous and I DO have “Paint Application” photo proof that Foggy was notified by me on several occassions that I know Allen/Obama personally, who is father is, where he lived, what he did in his younger years, who he associated with, etc., etc.

    My webpage is a mess. But, I’ll go post a link so that you can see my proof of previous attempts to educated Foggy. I think the FBI will also use it when they arrest him for treason in the near future.

  77. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 12:02 pm  (Quote)

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Took a shufti at BR this morning, apparently their latest great white hope is washed up actor and part time cop, Steven “Will Sasso played a better me than I do!” Seagal.

    Yeah I saw the Seagal thing. I was laughing I hope Volin gets him as a guest

  78. JPotter says:
    February 24, 2014 at 12:11 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: If Obama is the King, why can’t he get Congress to pass an extension of unemployment benefits? Or immigration reform? A King should be able to do whatever he wants.

    Because the Parliament in this here Con-ster-toosh’nal Monarchy be dammed uppity.

    “But I thought Obama destroyed the Con-ster-toosh’n?”

    Ay! Shut up you! Nobody asked you argle bargle derp…”

  79. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 12:21 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: Once more, for your edification:

    The former Florida State Attorney is Joseph P. D’Alessandro.

    Nancy Pelosi’s maiden name is D’Alesandro.

    Note the difference in spelling.

    Nancy Pelosi had a brother named Joseph T. D’Alesandro, but he died in 2004:

    D’alesandro, Sr., Joseph T.
    April 25, 2004
    On April 23, 2004, JOSEPH T., SR., youngest son of the late Annunciata and former Mayor Thomas J. D’Alesandro, Jr. and devoted father of Joseph T. D’Alesandro, Jr.; dear brother of former Mayor Thomas J. D’Alesandro, III, Franklin, Nicholas, the Honorable Nancy D’Alesandro Pelosi and the late Hector.

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/keyword/d-alesandro

    Joseph P. D’Alessandro, the former Florida State Attorney, is still alive:

    http://www.goldberg-law.com/meet-us/joseph-dalessandro/

    Nancy Pelosi’s brother was born in Maryland in 1937.

    Joseph P. D’Alessandro was born in Florida in 1939.

    There is no connection between Joseph P. D’Alessandro and Nancy Pelosi. That is yet another figment of your fevered imagination.

    ROFLMAO!

    They will murder, lie, cheat, burn, rape, molest, corrupt, steal but,….but, they won’t drop an “s” off of their name?! Look for a name change on Pelosi around 1980 or so. *wink*

    I’ve also been posting about BOTH of them for a least a year and they BOTH have legal skills and I have a degree in Journalism. Do the math. It’s not that hard.

  80. justlw says:
    February 24, 2014 at 12:33 pm  (Quote)

    How Conspiracy Logic works. Lots of felt in the CCP floppy drives.

    How Did Nate Debunk Global Warming?
    https://medium.com/the-nib/5df40da56266

  81. Arthur says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:14 pm  (Quote)

    justlw: How Did Nate Debunk Global Warming?

    That cartoon was very funny! A perfect illustration of how self-important RWNJs do “research.”

  82. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I concur.

    How did they do it? Were you involved?

  84. Mugwhump says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:37 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy, dear Nancy. Is there any historical event since the PreCambrian era that you havent been involved in? I have a paper coming up on Mary, Queen of Scots and it enhance my credibility to have a first hand account as to what really happened.

    Thanks

  85. justlw says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: They will murder, lie, cheat, burn, rape, molest, corrupt, steal but,….but, they won’t drop an “s” off of their name?! Look for a name change on Pelosi around 1980 or so.

    The “s” in the name, the birth year, the fact that they’re, oh what is it again, two different people.

    One clue is that the dead one is dead, and the one who is alive is not dead.

    *wink*

    I think you misspelled that.

  86. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:41 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Actually, the side yard. One Hendry County Sheriff’s Deputy close to the shed and one unknown male, white I think, closest to the driveway. Dumped there by former Hendry County Sheriff Sermon Dyess, Jr. who served a mere four or five years for protecting the Medellin Drug Cartel.

    You talk about all this so openly but no one has ever taken the time to check out your “side yard”. Do you have a a kind of force field that keeps people away?

  87. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:42 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: How did they do it? Were you involved?

    You were making a hilarious joke

    CarlOrcas: Malfunction? Silly man. It’s quite clear the airplane was remotely controlled so that the engine quite at just the right place and it glided into the ocean right where where the diver was waiting. Sheesh!

    I was joking back with the line from “Catch Me If You Can” where the clueless faux-doctor (Leonardo DiCapprio) says, “I concur.”

  88. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 1:48 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: My webpage is a mess. But, I’ll go post a link so that you can see my proof of previous attempts to educated Foggy. I think the FBI will also use it when they arrest him for treason in the near future.

    Exactly what traitorous act, or acts, has he committed? Please be specific.

  89. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: The claim was that “no one” remembers Obama and that your source was Foggy. Foggy DOES get nervous. Very, very nervous and I DO have “Paint Application” photo proof that Foggy was notified by me on several occassions that I know Allen/Obama personally, who is father is, where he lived, what he did in his younger years, who he associated with, etc., etc.My webpage is a mess. But, I’ll go post a link so that you can see my proof of previous attempts to educated Foggy. I think the FBI will also use it when they arrest him for treason in the near future.

    You do realize you making the claim and telling Foggy about it isn’t proof that the thing you’re claiming actually happpened?

  90. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 2:01 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: They will murder, lie, cheat, burn, rape, molest, corrupt, steal but,….but, they won’t drop an “s” off of their name?! Look for a name change on Pelosi around 1980 or so. *wink*
    I’ve also been posting about BOTH of them for a least a year and they BOTH have legal skills and I have a degree in Journalism. Do the math. It’s not that hard

    So you’re saying that the person you claimed was her brother changed the spelling of his last name?

  91. RanTalbott says:
    February 24, 2014 at 2:19 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: The top rescue service divers in the richest country in the world don’t use ‘sophisticated’ equipment?

    Absolutely: our Coast Guard is full of manly men and manly women who get the job done without those wussy technical thingamagadgets. That’s why We’re #1! USA!! USA!!

    (But, seriously: have you seen any of the documentaries on the rescue swimmers? Those people jump into waters where most of us wouldn’t go in a nuclear sub, in the middle of a near-hurricane, wearing not much more than a Greek Olympian. And they do it knowing that, if conditions turn too bad to complete the rescue, they may have to be left behind. Truly gutsy folks. And, other than a GPS transponder to improve their odds of being found after the storm clears, there’s not a whole lot that technology can do to make their jobs easier or safer)

  92. Whatever4 says:
    February 24, 2014 at 2:45 pm  (Quote)

    aarrgghh:
    #drivebyBirfer
    #sameOldLies
    tl;dr
    kthxbai
    burma shave

    That might be my favorite yet!

  93. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 4:54 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:

    They will murder, lie, cheat, burn, rape, molest, corrupt, steal but,….but, they won’t drop an “s” off of their name?! Look for a name change on Pelosi around 1980 or so. *wink*

    A name change? Here’s a newspaper story dated March 28, 1951 about Pelosi’s brother winning the Democratic nomination for Mayor of Baltimore. Note the spelling of his last name. How many times do you see the letter “s” in his last name?

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19510328&id=IEUuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PtoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2170,3179534

    And here is a link to Pelosi’s 1962 Trinity College yearbook photo. How is her last name spelled?

    http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/featured_article_image/article-images/Nancy_yearbook.png

    I’ve also been posting about BOTH of them for a least a year and they BOTH have legal skills and I have a degree in Journalism.

    If you’re wondering why they haven’t sued you for libel, it’s because they can’t prove damages due to the fact that nobody believes anything you say. And that’s assuming that they even know who you are, which is highly doubtful.

  94. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:02 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Exactly what traitorous act, or acts, has he committed? Please be specific.

    Nancy is another birther who “defends the Constitution” without knowing what is in it.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    I’m pretty sure Foggy hasn’t levied war against the U.S., and I have no idea who the enemies are to whom he is giving aid and comfort. But Nancy is a journalist, so surely she can elaborate with some details.

  95. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:14 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: But Nancy is a journalist, so surely she can elaborate with some details.

    I eagerly anticipate her explanation.

  96. Crustacean says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:19 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Do the math. It’s not that hard.

    I beg to differ.

    Though my mathematical skills are limited to what I learned as an undergrad (triple integrals in spherical coordinates and some matrix mechanics was about as much as my little brain could handle), I consider myself slightly above average when it comes to numbers.

    But this math of which you speak, Nancy, is way too hard for me. Nothing seems to be adding up.

  97. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:51 pm  (Quote)

    Mugwhump:
    Nancy, dear Nancy. Is there any historical event since the PreCambrian era that you havent been involved in? I have a paper coming up on Mary, Queen of Scots and it enhance my credibility to have a first hand account as to what really happened.

    Thanks

    Dear, dear Mug.

    You’d have to be an idiot to believe that the members of the drug cartel were scattered far and wide. In later years, yes. In the beginning, absolutely not. It’s just common sense. Pablo lived in Clewiston (FL). Che Che lived in Clewiston. Griselda lived in Clewiston. The Ochoas lived in Clewiston. Obama lived in Clewiston. I lived in Clewiston. Mickey Munday lived in Clewiston. John Roberts lived in Clewiston. Magluta lived in Clewiston. Falcon lived in Clewiston. Rivi Ayala lived in Clewiston. La Quicka lived in Clewiston. Max lived in Clewiston. Rafael lived in Clewiston. The Sanchezes lived in Clewiston. The Castros lived in Clewiston. The Gonzalez’s lived in Clewiston. Popeye lived in Clewiston. Diego lived in Clewiston. Lilly lived in Clewiston. My father who built the pipe bombs for the Hoffa contract lived in Clewiston. Search the records and you might find that Hillary Clinton also lived in Clewiston. Does she have a background in therapy? I could go on and on……In the beginning, THEY ALL LIVED IN CLEWISTON. This is the secret of their CONSPIRACY.

    Again, ANY organized crime family starts in a confined area and spreads out LATER. The government who doesn’t want you to know that the blood of Adam Walsh (white genocide), and this is just a start, can be traced……BACK TO CLEWISTON. They are NOT going to tell you this.

    Why do you think we have a mass exodus of Congressmen right now? I’m beginning to think that maybe my brother had nothing to do with the 200+ military personnel who have left the White House. Many were involved in the drug trade and they get to keep their assets if they are not employed by the White House when SHTF.

    Why have a fall guy for Tiffany Sessions? To discredit me and to buy time because these Congressmen can’t vacate as easily as the military can.

    Do you know their motives? I don’t. I can guess. But, I really don’t know.

    Again…….THEY ALL LIVED IN CLEWISTON.

    Watergate never stopped. It was simply stolen from Nixon.

    http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com
    http://www.pabloswhiterabbit.com
    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com
    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificate.com

  98. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:55 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: So you’re saying that the person you claimed was her brother changed the spelling of his last name?

    I’m saying she did. And, don’t bother to quote records to me. As you can see, records, even newspapers are easy to forge when you have control of the Library of Congress.

  99. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:56 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: If you’re wondering why they haven’t sued you for libel, it’s because they can’t prove damages due to the fact that nobody believes anything you say. And that’s assuming that they even know who you are, which is highly doubtful.

    Let alone that she would have the ability to pay out any damages she’s sued for. It’d probably cost more in court fees than she’d have the ability to pay out.

  100. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:59 pm  (Quote)

    If you’re wondering why they haven’t sued you for libel, it’s because they can’t prove damages due to the fact that nobody believes anything you say. And that’s assuming that they even know who you are, which is highly doubtful.

    Yeah, but since I have a degree in Jouralism, prima facie evidence of libel if my statements are false, they can certainly have me jailed.

    Ouch!

    What would you do in their place?

    You’d have me thrown in jail in a heartbeat and buy a bottle of the finest wine afterwards to celebrate with your friends for the sheer audacity of someone openly challenging them and their conspiracy.

    A serial killer who tried to expose them by earning a degree in Journalism. Explain that. I will. The serial killer label is one huge con job for the weak minded public who only want to know about such things via movies and newspapers.

    Maybe this is the reason for Feinstein’s desperate attempt to define who IS and who IS NOT a journalist. Let’s see….what was it? Oh, yeah, does a journalist have to be receiving payment to be considered a journalist? Or, some such nonsense. This never was an issue before and people have been blogging for many years prior to today.

    Wake up, Sheeple. We have a King on the American throne.

  101. JPotter says:
    February 24, 2014 at 6:41 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Falcon lived in Clewiston.

    The commenter at BR?!?

    Does he know he was involved in a drug cartel?

    Can I say I lived in Clewiston too?

    Sooooo, when is this tabloid thriller going to be e-published? Kindle takes darn near anything, and darn near zero technical aptitude.

  102. Crustacean says:
    February 24, 2014 at 6:50 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I could go on and on……

    You don’t say…

  103. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:03 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Yeah, but since I have a degree in Jouralism, prima facie evidence of libel if my statements are false, they can certainly have me jailed.

    Ouch!

    What would you do in their place?

    You’d have me thrown in jail in a heartbeat and buy a bottle of the finest wine afterwards to celebrate with your friends for the sheer audacity of someone openly challenging them and their conspiracy.

    A serial killer who tried to expose them by earning a degree in Journalism. Explain that. I will. The serial killer label is one huge con job for the weak minded public who only want to know about such things via movies and newspapers.

    Maybe this is the reason for Feinstein’s desperate attempt to define who IS and who IS NOT a journalist. Let’s see….what was it? Oh, yeah, does a journalist have to be receiving payment to be considered a journalist? Or, some such nonsense. This never was an issue before and people have been blogging for many years prior to today.

    Wake up, Sheeple. We have a King on the American throne.

    I hardly call your AA anything to go shouting all over town about. You didn’t actually do anything with that degree and nowhere does that mean you know what libel is.

    Umm what? Libel is a civil offense it would be rare for someone to be jailed for libel which means you don’t even understand the law. You’re not a serial killer you’re a delusional performance artist. What does Feinstein have to do with your previous claims.

    Hey nancy maybe you can tell us why you think necrophilia is natural.

  104. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:05 pm  (Quote)

    Everyone and their mother seems to have lived in Clewiston (population about 7000) according to Nancy

  105. RanTalbott says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:12 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: It’d probably cost more in court fees than she’d have the ability to pay ou

    Well, there are people who can afford to sue without concern about whether they even recover their costs, let alone damages.

    And inability to pay is not always a bad thing. I remember back in my CompuServe days we got sued by some (bleep) who claimed his civil rights were being violated because we wouldn’t let him be a (bleep) and insult the other customers. Fortunately, we had an attorney who took the case pro bono, and won, in a jurisdiction where she could demand costs. The plaintiff pleaded poverty, so she got the court to send Rusty the Bailiff out to seize the guy’s PC. And his modem.

    It was like getting a free, self-enforcing injunction.

  106. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:23 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: What would you do in their place?

    Laugh at you?

  107. J.D. Sue says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:37 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Yeah, but since I have a degree in Jouralism, prima facie evidence of libel if my statements are false, they can certainly have me jailed.

    —–
    Yeah, it’s right there in the constitution. Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, but members of the press will go to jail where there is evidence of a journalism degree and they don’t tell the truth …

    Thank goodness not many people at Fox News have journalism degrees.

  108. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:43 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Umm what? Libel is a civil offense it would be rare for someone to be jailed for libel which means you don’t even understand the law.

    Unfortunately Florida is one of the last (if not the last) states to have a criminal libel statute still on the books. I’m not sure when it was used last.

    As far as Feinstein is concerned I believe she has advocated a federal shield law for journalists…..which would have nothing to do with Nancy and her nonsense.

  109. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 7:54 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Various censorships or non investigations. Just two images of many.

    Did you miss the class on censorship?

    Having an e-mail ignored or a Facebook message removed for violation of the Terms of Service is not censorship.

  110. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 8:03 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I hardly call your AA anything to go shouting all over town about.You didn’t actually do anything with that degree and nowhere does that mean you know what libel is.

    Umm what?Libel is a civil offense it would be rare for someone to be jailed for libel which means you don’t even understand the law.You’re not a serial killer you’re a delusional performance artist.What does Feinstein have to do with your previous claims.

    Hey nancy maybe you can tell us why you think necrophilia is natural.

    It’s civil UNLESS you are a journalist or other professional such as a lawyer who, by degree, knows the laws pertaining to libel and slander. I did work on the local newspaper and even if I didn’t it wouldn’t make a difference. A degree is a degree.

    Because, the first time I saw necrophilia I thought, “WTF!!!!!!!?” The second time I saw it I thought, “WTF?” The third time I saw it I thought, “WTF? I’m alive and standing right here and you prefer to have sex with that dead girl? What’s she got that I don’t have?!” The only conclusion I could come to was that she had “blonde hair.” I had seen the cartel scalp blondes on numerous occassions and they would wiggle around with the bloody scalps on the top of their heads while dancing to their Mexican music. This little piece of insight served me very, very well during the Tiffany Sessions murder. Once, I was on the verge of death with a concusion and my partner pulled me close for one last, or what I assumed would be the last, sexual encounter. Maybe not. I would have been that night’s dinner regardless. He did shed a few tears which I wiped away. Obviously, I survived. After that it was, “Ok, Dammit! But, please could we just hurry it up?”

    Trust me when I say, “It’s natural.”

    Here is my video on the Tiffany Sessions case I made just moments ago. Remember, she had blonde hair and the cartel boys are very, very fond of blondes, living or not.

    Castro’s covert war goes overt. White Genocide, possibly black, I have no memories other than it (Black Genocide) being discussed by Pablo presumably to be saved for a later time so I wouldn’t be surprised if it were happening. It would be easy to say that it’s so to curry favor with the blacks. But, that would be a lie and I just don’t know. This is why we whites are in a very precarious situation.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOpDCOLIoMk

  111. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 8:50 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: Nancy is another birther who “defends the Constitution” without knowing what is in it.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    I’m pretty sure Foggy hasn’t levied war against the U.S., and I have no idea who the enemies are to whom he is giving aid and comfort. But Nancy is a journalist, so surely she can elaborate with some details.

    How is Foggy NOT aiding the enemy? If he keeps the truth from surfacing, he is most certainly aiding the enemy. And, he does. He hosts a radio show and a chat room so he has gone above and beyond in keeping the enemies movements hidden from the American people and at a time when the truth is needed more than ever considering we have a foreign king on the American throne.

  112. Arthur says:
    February 24, 2014 at 9:03 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Yeah, but since I have a degree in Jouralism

    You don’t have a degree in Journalism–you have a degree in journalism. Maybe if you actually worked as a journalist, you’d know the rules regarding when to capitalize an academic degree. http://www.pdx.edu/university-communications/editorial-style-guide-capitalization

  113. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 9:04 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: Maybe you called the wrong number. Besides, the FBI is only assisting on the case.

    The case continues to be led by the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office with support from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and through the efforts of the Sessions family. Anyone with information on Tiffany Sessions’ disappearance or knowledge of Paul Rowles is urged to contact the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office at (352) 955-1818 or the Federal Bureau of Investigation at (904) 248-7000.

    http://www.fbi.gov/jacksonville/press-releases/2014/paul-rowles-named-prime-suspect-on-25th-anniversary-of-tiffany-sessions-disappearance

    So you now have the current contact numbers. Are you going to let Paul Rowles take the rap for your crime?

    By the way, how did you dispose of her body? When and where?

    You have my new video on this thread. That does look like her partner. She was an assassin wanna be and daddy Sessions is the true scum who does not want you to know the truth. How did he know Pablo and why was he the guest of the party that evening? People, I’ve been written out AGAIN!

    You do understand the nature of conspiracies, right? I hate these cocaine dealing liars who expect everyone to play along with their game and then moan and groan when it’s one of theirs that get offed!

    I killed Tiffany Sessions

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  114. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 24, 2014 at 9:20 pm  (Quote)

    Here is the photo of my submittal to the FBI, who appears to have jurisdiction, this evening. He did not kill Tiffany Sessions, folks. I did. He was her partner and he was hiding in wait to murder me in the woods. I don’t know who put out the contract on me. Now, ask yourself, “What was precious little college-attending Tiffany doing with this male serial killer and why is the Alachua County allowing daddy Sessions to lie to the public?”

    Castro’s covert war goes overt.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=580117488742712&set=a.100559726698493.648.100002333970896&type=1&theater

  115. roxy7655 says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:12 pm  (Quote)

    If Nancy believes what she says, she’s psychotic.

    If she doesn’t, she’s a liar and blowhard.

    In either case, a complete waste of time.

  116. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:26 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Yeah, but since I have a degree in Jouralism, prima facie evidence of libel if my statements are false, they can certainly have me jailed.

    Jailed for libel? Libel isn’t a criminal offense. I knew that when I was in elementary school. And false statements about public figures does not constitute prima facie evidence of libel.

    What would you do in their place?

    I would do exactly what they are going now – ignore you. Just like everyone ignores your Facebook fantasies, such as your fable that Pablo Escobar was captured by Sonny Barger on October 2, 1990. That would have been quite a trick, seeing as how Sonny was in Federal prison in Arizona from 1989 until December, 1992.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-12-02/news/look-homeward-angelcycle-icon-sonny-barger-kick-starts-life-as-a-free-man-by-violating-parole/

  117. BillTheCat says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:49 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: How is Foggy NOT aiding the enemy? If he keeps the truth from surfacing, he is most certainly aiding the enemy. And, he does. He hosts a radio show and a chat room so he has gone above and beyond in keeping the enemies movements hidden from the American people and at a time when the truth is needed more than ever considering we have a foreign king on the American throne.

    Haha wow. Poor, delusional, you.

    roxy7655:
    If Nancy believes what she says, she’s psychotic.

    If she doesn’t, she’s a liar and blowhard.

    In either case, a complete waste of time.

    I’m leaning towards a combination of both.

  118. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 24, 2014 at 10:50 pm  (Quote)

    In what way does Foggy keep the truth from surfacing? Did he shut down your web site and your Facebook page? Did he put spikes in Zullo’s tires? Does he blackmail judges to dismiss birther lawsuits?

    Exactly, and I mean specifically, in what way has Foggy prevented the free expression of your peculiar opinions? And don’t say banning you on his site, because it’s a private site and you have on expectation of being able to post there.

    Nancy R Owens: How is Foggy NOT aiding the enemy? If he keeps the truth from surfacing, he is most certainly aiding the enemy. And, he does. He hosts a radio show and a chat room so he has gone above and beyond in keeping the enemies movements hidden from the American people and at a time when the truth is needed more than ever considering we have a foreign king on the American throne.

  119. Daniel says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Hi. I am a serial killer with tons of information on these crooked, murderous, lying politicians. I’ve already called the FBI on at least three separate blah… blah… blah… reams of batguano crazy delusions snipped for space…. of the iceberg…….see, I need to take a college course so that I can figure out just who it is I’m supposed to call. Can you help me do that?

    Wow, Nancy, when you sign on for the crazy train you really do bring your own bag of coal…..

  120. Arthur says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:15 pm  (Quote)

    How does Foggy keep the truth from surfacing? Let me answer that from a birther perspective: first, by mocking birtherism, he discourages people from taking it seriously; second, by not promoting birther stories, he prevents people from learning about Obama ineligibility and gangsterism. Think of all the good that Foggy could do if he worked with birthers and not against them!

  121. Rickey says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:18 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:

    How is Foggy NOT aiding the enemy? If he keeps the truth from surfacing, he is most certainly aiding the enemy. And, he does. He hosts a radio show and a chat room so he has gone above and beyond in keeping the enemies movements hidden from the American people and at a time when the truth is needed more than ever considering we have a foreign king on the American throne.

    You still haven’t identified who “the enemy” is, but I suggest that you submit your evidence about Foggy’s treason at the same time that you turn yourself in to the Gainesville Police.

  122. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:19 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: It’s civil UNLESS you are a journalist or other professional such as a lawyer who, by degree, knows the laws pertaining to libel and slander. I did work on the local newspaper and even if I didn’t it wouldn’t make a difference. A degree is a degree.

    Can you provide a cite for this notion? How about a case in which a “journalist or other professional such as a lawyer….” has been charged with criminal libel?

    What paper did you work for? When?

  123. CarlOrcas says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:28 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Here is the photo of my submittal to the FBI, who appears to have jurisdiction, this evening. He did not kill Tiffany Sessions, folks. I did.

    Couple thoughts and questions:

    First, what you posted is not a “submittal” in any sense that I understand. It is, from I can tell, the lower half of the screen at the FBI Tips url:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/

    Second, what makes you think the FBI has jurisdiction in the Sessions murder?

    Have you also alerted the sheriff to your culpability in the case? If so, what did they say? If not, why not?

  124. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 25, 2014 at 1:00 am  (Quote)

    There is such a thing, but it appears not in the United States.

    CarlOrcas: Can you provide a cite for this notion? How about a case in which a “journalist or other professional such as a lawyer….” has been charged with criminal libel?

  126. CarlOrcas says:
    February 25, 2014 at 2:02 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    There is such a thing, but it appears not in the United States.

    It rings a bell as it regards England or France.

  127. Jim F says:
    February 25, 2014 at 5:01 am  (Quote)

    There are only two scenarios that fit around Nancy and her ramblings.
    1. She is seriously delusional, or
    2. She is just pulling everyone’s chain.

    In either case her postings should be ignored as to make replies is to give her traction which either increases her delusion or gives her a big laugh. I’m going out on a limb here and come down on the side of just pulling everyone’s’s chain. She could have a book planned which will eventually come out as another Root Letters.

    Seriously folks, give it a rest and don’t encourage her.

  128. Lupin says:
    February 25, 2014 at 6:35 am  (Quote)

    Jim F: There are only two scenarios that fit around Nancy and her ramblings.
    1. She is seriously delusional,

    IMHO she is mentally deranged. Her screed do resemble the ones handed by similarly disturbed persons in subway stations, etc.

    There is a rather famous case in French history of a man who is many respects was perfectly normal and a functioning member of society, except that he firmly believed that his life was plagued by a secret race of imps, whose existence was known only to him.

    He wrote a book on the subject which is still in print today and makes fascinating reading. You can read more here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis-Vincent-Charles_Berbiguier_de_Terre-Neuve_du_Thym

    They were never able to “cure” him then, but the fact that he later tried to destroy all the copies of his book indicates that either he got better — or the imps got to him. 🙂

    Nancy Owens fits entirely in that category.

  129. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:08 am  (Quote)

    Birthers sure are turning up the rhetoric now that March is almost here.
    We all know what happens next, the universe remains unshattered, and the birthers go into full blown damage control mode. Honestly though, I don’t see how they’re gonna spin Zullo letting them down yet again.
    I see either “Any day now! It’s coming!” or “Its the MSM’s fault!”
    What say you, good people?

  130. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:14 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: Jailed for libel? Libel isn’t a criminal offense. I knew that when I was in elementary school. And false statements about public figures does not constitute prima facie evidence of libel.

    I would do exactly what they are going now – ignore you. Just like everyone ignores your Facebook fantasies, such as your fable that Pablo Escobar was captured by Sonny Barger on October 2, 1990. That would have been quite a trick, seeing as how Sonny was in Federal prison in Arizona from 1989 until December, 1992.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-12-02/news/look-homeward-angelcycle-icon-sonny-barger-kick-starts-life-as-a-free-man-by-violating-parole/

    Yeah, just like our Hendry County Sheriff who was arrested for protecting the drug cartel was supposed to be in prison for seven years but, walked around the town with a huge grin on his face telling everybody, “Don’t say anything to anyone. I’m supposed to be in prison.”

    Again, do you understand the nature of conspiracies? Geez, the Tiffany Sessions case just “happens” to get solved after 25 years and after I lay claim to her kill ON VIDEO no less.

    I told you, Daddy Sessions doesn’t want you to know the truth about his precious little darling and what he was involved both before and after the fact.

    Go back to sleep little Sheepling.

  131. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:16 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    In what way does Foggy keep the truth from surfacing? Did he shut down your web site and your Facebook page? Did he put spikes in Zullo’s tires? Does he blackmail judges to dismiss birther lawsuits?

    Exactly, and I mean specifically, in what way has Foggy prevented the free expression of your peculiar opinions? And don’t say banning you on his site, because it’s a private site and you have on expectation of being able to post there.

    You can play these people, Doc. Not me.

  132. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:17 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Couple thoughts and questions:

    First, what you posted is not a “submittal” in any sense that I understand. It is, from I can tell, the lower half of the screen at the FBI Tips url:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/

    Second, what makes you think the FBI has jurisdiction in the Sessions murder?

    Have you also alerted the sheriff to your culpability in the case? If so, what did they say? If not, why not?

    Unbelievable. This is a waste of time. All is good, children. Go back to sleep.

  133. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:51 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: It’s civil UNLESS you are a journalist or other professional such as a lawyer who, by degree, knows the laws pertaining to libel and slander. I did work on the local newspaper and even if I didn’t it wouldn’t make a difference. A degree is a degree.

    You’re not a journalist. This would be as stupid as claiming because I have a degree in Social Science that I’m a social scientist or a social worker. Or because I took a concentration in psychology that I’m a psychiatrist. Sorry but no an AA doesn’t make you a journalist. You worked for a college paper decades ago that doesn’t make you a journalist.

    Nancy R Owens: Trust me when I say, “It’s natural.”

    Sorry Nancy but having sexual relations with dead people isn’t natural.

    Nancy R Owens: Remember, she had blonde hair and the cartel boys are very, very fond of blondes, living or not.

    Based on what? Your say so? You’ve provided no proof that you had any ties to the cartels let alone the medellin cartel. You also didn’t even know some of the players like say one of Pablo’s top men George Jung. Have you considered therapy Nancy?

  134. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:54 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: How is Foggy NOT aiding the enemy? If he keeps the truth from surfacing, he is most certainly aiding the enemy

    The truth has surfaced birthers are completely bonkers and have nothing to support their claims. You haven’t defined who this so-called enemy is.

    Nancy R Owens: He hosts a radio show and a chat room so he has gone above and beyond in keeping the enemies movements hidden from the American people and at a time when the truth is needed more than ever considering we have a foreign king on the American throne.

    You’re confused. Foggy doesn’t host a radio show or chatroom. You’re confusing Foggy with RC. We don’t have a foreign king on an American throne as there is no American throne and we don’t have kinds in America other than people like Martin Luther King who had it as a surname.

  135. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:55 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Here is the photo of my submittal to the FBI, who appears to have jurisdiction, this evening.

    FBI isn’t running the case as has been pointed out to you and thus doesn’t have jurisdiction.
    You had nothing to do with the sessions case just as you had nothing to do with the death of Adam Walsh or Jimmy Hoffa.

  136. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:29 am  (Quote)

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: We all know what happens next, the universe remains unshattered, and the birthers go into full blown damage control mode.

    They will just focus on their next OMG moment, the “American Spring” in May.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I don’t see how they’re gonna spin Zullo letting them down yet again

    The safest bet is “collective oblivion”. Just like they “forgot” how Klayman’s November rally was supposed to be the end of Obama. It just won’t be mentioned anymore until in 4 months when they all will be “BREAKING: Zullo got new stuff!”…

  137. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:33 am  (Quote)

    Lupin: There is a rather famous case in French history of a man who is many respects was perfectly normal and a functioning member of society, except that he firmly believed that his life was plagued by a secret race of imps, whose existence was known only to him.

    There’s also a good book by a German author on strange mental issues of otherwise perfectly normal people:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for_a_Hat

  138. Nancy R Owens says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:43 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    In what way does Foggy keep the truth from surfacing? Did he shut down your web site and your Facebook page? Did he put spikes in Zullo’s tires? Does he blackmail judges to dismiss birther lawsuits?

    Exactly, and I mean specifically, in what way has Foggy prevented the free expression of your peculiar opinions? And don’t say banning you on his site, because it’s a private site and you have on expectation of being able to post there.

    It may be a private site. But, it purports to have some sort of expertise on the birther issue and, therefore, is more of a public domain than one that is private just like your site and Zullos. All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech. Froggys. Yours. Zullos. And, Taitz. It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove, yes?

    All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason. I suspect that the recent introduction of two investigators into the MCCSP website have something to do with the fact that my posts are just now being allowed on most of these sites. Am I right?

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  139. Rickey says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:56 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: It may be a private site. But, it purports to have some sort of expertise on the birther issue and, therefore, is more of a public domain than one that is private just like your site and Zullos. All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech. Froggys. Yours. Zullos. And, Taitz. It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove, yes?

    The First Amendment gives you no Constitutional right to post here or on any other blog. “Freedom of Speech” means only that the government cannot prohibit you from saying what you please. Doc isn’t the government, and he is under no obligation to let you or me or anyone else say what we want here. We are, in effect, guests in his home; he can tell us to shut up and leave anytime he wishes.

  140. sfjeff says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:09 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Am I right?

    Nancy,

    the answer to everything you have posted is no, you are not right.

  141. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:11 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech. Froggys. Yours. Zullos. And, Taitz. It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove, yes?

    Lol you’re joking. A private site isn’t the government nor congress thus the first amendment has no protections there. You enter into a binding agreement when you sign up at the fogbow there is a terms of service agreement. When you violate that agreement and the rules they have every right to remove you as a disruption. The fact though is you haven’t been removed. You’re still an active member of the fogbow and can still post at anytime.

    Nancy R Owens: All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason. I suspect that the recent introduction of two investigators into the MCCSP website have something to do with the fact that my posts are just now being allowed on most of these sites

    Then you have no idea what the word treason means. Also as the MCSO themselves have said there aren’t two detectives investigating obots or the birther nonsense.

  142. American Mzungu says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:13 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason

    And what specific acts did they commit that constitute treason?

  143. JPotter says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:30 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: It may be a private site.

    Not “may”, is.

    Nancy R Owens: it purports to have some sort of expertise on the birther issue and, therefore, is more of a public domain

    Discussing issues of very limited public interest hardly affects its ownership status. Privately managed/funded websites are not public accomodations, whether it’s a tiny blog or Amazon.com. You have no expectation of service or participation, and are able to do so only at the discretion of the owner. And each owner is perfectly within their rights to be completely arbitrary.

    Discussing politics in your living room does not render your living room public property. Donating your living room to your local gov’t would.

    Nancy R Owens: All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech.

    A freedom that does not exist on private property. Based on my personal and professional experience, your misconception is a common one.

    Nancy R Owens: It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove, yes?

    Definitely not what you “know”, none of which you can prove LOL

    Nancy R Owens: All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason.

    That certainly is an opinion. Unjustified and uninformed, but an opinion nonetheless.

    Nancy R Owens: I suspect that the recent introduction of two investigators into the MCCSP website have something to do with the fact that my posts are just now being allowed on most of these sites.

    Definitely not. You know what it is? Boredom. There’s a terrible dearth of new topics in the biferverse right now. Everyone is so bored, they’re willing to listen to your raving. It’s pointless, but at least it’s somewhat fresh and novel … for now. Aging fast … let’s see how long you can keep spinning before wearing out your welcome.

  144. Lupin says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:31 am  (Quote)

    The Magic M (not logged in): There’s also a good book by a German author on strange mental issues of otherwise perfectly normal people:

    Fascinating indeed. The brain remains a great mystery. Right now, my mother is sinking into alzheimer’s and while certain of her faculties remain pretty sharp, others have all but vanished.

    My bet is that Nancy Owens is “normal” except in those limited areas where she clearly is completely deranged. She probably would benefit from medical attention. Left untreated, those things only get worse with time.

    I had an uncle who was perfectly sound, until you mentioned his neighbor. Then he sincerely believed that the man dug a tunnel under their properties to come and steal stuff at night from his cellar and was casting spells over his chicken and all kinds of literally crazy stuff.

    He’d called the gendarmes several times to complain about the poor neighbor but their (obvious) refusal to do anything about it only increased his craziness.

    However, his derangement was entirely limited to that single subject. In every other aspect of his life, he was and remained remarkably competent.

    Ms. Owens should talk to a neurologist, but I doubt she’ll do it on her own.

  145. Jim says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:36 am  (Quote)

    Lupin: Fascinating indeed. The brain remains a great mystery. Right now, my mother is sinking into alzheimer’s and while certain of her faculties remain pretty sharp, others have all but vanished.

    My heart goes out to you Lupin. Watched my father slowly sink and it hurts when they forget family and friends.

  146. Lupin says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:56 am  (Quote)

    Jim: My heart goes out to you Lupin. Watched my father slowly sink and it hurts when they forget family and friends.

    Thank you. My mother still recognizes me and her past memory isn’t so bad, but on Tuesday, she has no idea who she saw and what she did on Monday. She also doesn’t quite understand where and when she is.

    My dad (who passed away last December) had a different type of cognitive problems, due to TIAs and possibly cancer. With him, it was hallucinating the past as if it was yesterday. Stories about the American landings in the South of France in ’44 were as vivid and real to him as if they’d happened the week before. He could no longer tell the difference between dreams and reality.

    I’ve been forced to learn an awful lot about recognizing, identifying, and dealing with cognitive disorders in the last 5 or 6 years (it doesn’t happen overnight) and the line between eccentricity and neurological disorder is a tricky one to catch.

    The thing is, there are drugs today that can help and slow down the symptoms; the problem is, people do not want to acknowledge they have a problem, you can’t force them, and it’s usually too late when the doctors step in.

    I’d bet the farm that Orly (or Nancy Owens) could benefit from medical help today. But of course, they won’t get it.

  147. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:03 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech.

    Welcome to Stalinist Birtherstan where disagreement and criticism is “interfering with freedom of speech” and punishable by imprisonment, if not worse. (After all it’s you who call it treason and insist how the punishment for treason is death.)

    Yup, that’s totally what the Founders fought for, so some wannabe-Führer can come and jail anybody who “interferes with his free speech”.

    By your logic, why aren’t you birthers all in jail already, with Obama being the super-dictator and whatnot?

  148. Majority Will says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:09 pm  (Quote)

    Ignoring the troll’s idiotic posts is long overdue.

  149. Rickey says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:27 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin:

    Nancy Owens fits entirely in that category.

    Her fables are somewhat reminiscent of Sven’s “Barry and the Pirates” stories, except that she appears to really believe her delusions.

    I had some hope that she might get off her Nancy Pelosi fantasies after she saw iron-clad proof that Pelosi’s maiden name was never spelled “D’Alessandro,” but when confronted with the evidence she declares that a 63-year-old newspaper clipping and a 52 year-old yearbook photo have been doctored to cover up the truth. She continues to claim that Sonny Barger captured Pablo Escobar in 1990 when there is irrefutable evidence that Barger was in Federal prison in Arizona from 1989 to December, 1992.

    In addition to being deluded (even Falcon calls her “nutso”), I suspect that Nancy is very lonely and craves attention.

    I’m done with responding to her.

  150. Jim says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:49 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin:
    I’ve been forced to learn an awful lot about recognizing, identifying, and dealing with cognitive disorders in the last 5 or 6 years (it doesn’t happen overnight) and the line between eccentricity and neurological disorder is a tricky one to catch.

    It is amazing how much you learn about it when it hits close to home. I’ve had nursing friends who were starting to see patients in home-care who talked to me for guidance and what things I used to look for to see how dad was doing that day. Thankfully, my mother is doing very good at 83, I’d hate to have to go through a double-header like you.

    Lupin:
    I’d bet the farm that Orly (or Nancy Owens) could benefit from medical help today. But of course, they won’t get it.

    Nope, Orly will just get another on-line degree and start self-medicating. Wait, that may not be a bad idea at all. hmmmmmm 😀

  151. Whatever4 says:
    February 25, 2014 at 3:56 pm  (Quote)

    The Magic M (not logged in): There’s also a good book by a German author on strange mental issues of otherwise perfectly normal people:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for_a_Hat

    Oliver Sacks! British, not German. He specializes in odd brains. An Anthropologist on Mars is another good book by him.

  152. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm  (Quote)

    No. I have never associated your peculiar personal narrative with anything the Cold Case Posse is hatching. I had always assumed that nobody (and I mean NOBODY) believes you, and that would include Zullo.

    My site’s present indulgence of your commentary is somewhat accidental, and largely due to my concern about censorship on the site in general (balanced with good order). The present solution is to make the Open Thread more open, and to keep the article discussions on topic.

    Nancy R Owens: All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason. I suspect that the recent introduction of two investigators into the MCCSP website have something to do with the fact that my posts are just now being allowed on most of these sites. Am I right?

  153. Northland10 says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:32 pm  (Quote)

    Majority Will:
    Ignoring the troll’s idiotic posts is long overdue.

    What troll?

  154. Majority Will says:
    February 26, 2014 at 3:38 am  (Quote)

    Northland10: What troll?

    Exactly.

  155. The Magic M says:
    February 26, 2014 at 4:32 am  (Quote)

    Whatever4: Oliver Sacks! British, not German.

    My bad. *oops*

  156. Lupin says:
    February 26, 2014 at 9:34 am  (Quote)

    Jim: Nope, Orly will just get another on-line degree and start self-medicating.

    I’d bet she already is (self-medicating). But what she takes is likely to be rubbish.

  157. JoZeppy says:
    February 26, 2014 at 10:42 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: It may be a private site. But, it purports to have some sort of expertise on the birther issue and, therefore, is more of a public domain than one that is private just like your site and Zullos. All four of these sites have very aggressively interfered with freedom of speech. Froggys. Yours. Zullos. And, Taitz. It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove, yes?

    What a surpise, a birther that is also equally clueless about what constitutes a public forum or what is protected under the freedom of speech clause of the first amendment. I’m guessing you can’t site to any legal authority for this nonsensical notion of yours, can you? I’ll leave at you don’t have the slightest clue, and are pretty much 100% wrong…but thanks for playing.

    Nancy R Owens: All four of you, in my opinion, are guilty of treason.

    Hey, look, another suprise….you don’t know what actually constitutes treason. Let me give you a starting point…it’s the only crime specifically defined in the Constitution. Look it up.

  158. Benji Franklin says:
    February 26, 2014 at 8:47 pm  (Quote)

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Let’s begin playing Birther Jeopardy today with Mario Apuzzo – Mario?”

    Mario: “I’ll take CONSTITUTIONAL LAW for $100.”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, The Framers would have wanted the Constitution definitively interpreted by Justices who previously concentrated on this kind of legal practice.”

    Mario: “What is helping drunk drivers get back behind the wheel?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Orly Taitz: “What is the perfectly legal practice of family dentistry?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Leo Donifrio: “What is practicing dealing off the bottom of the deck?” BUZZ!

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Sorry Panel but the correct answer is, ‘What is an inexpert, non-degreed, unlicensed self-declared paralegal practice in Alberquerque, New Mexico?”

    Leonard Daneman (illuminated in the audience by several blinding flashes of light) “YESSSSSSSSSSS! YESSSSSSSSS!”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Again, Audience, ‘No Flash Photography’ – especially ‘Selfies’, Leonard!” (pause) Next category, Nancy Owems?”

    Nancy Owems: ”Karl, I’ll take FAMOUS PEOPLE I HAVE KILLED FOR $200”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, Nancy, what question goes with the following answer, – ‘Seeking to improve conditions for the common man’…….”

    Nancy Owems (noisily chambering a round and interrupting):”Who were Ghandi, Jimmy Hoffa, JFK, John Lennon, JFK Jr.,Archduke Ferdinand, and Lee Harvey Oswald, ?” BUZZ! (audience laughter)

    Sheriff Our Pie Hole, sitting in the front row:”That Nancy Owems just kills me!”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Please, no help from the audience! Now we’ll have to throw that question out, but seeing the Sheriff reminds me, any contestant who tells a new lie about Obama today, will get a free leftover Sheriff’s Kaboodle! Next category please, Roody?”

    Roody: “Yes Karl, I’ll take EXPLODING BIBLES for $300”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, this Presidential candidate ran against Obama on a ticket that included Ted Kaczynski,the Unabomber as VP!”

    Roody: “Who is Cody Robber Judy?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Tim Adumbs:” EVERYBODY in Hawaii knew this one! Who is Rudy Justice Judy?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Donalt Rump: “Who is Wild Bill Cody?” BUZZ! (pause, then a donkey brays)

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Sorry Panel, I think you knew the right answer but nobody pronounced it correctly. Okay, choosing our next category, the Reverend Moaning from Attilla the Hon Ministries, your category please!”

    Reverend Moaning: “Sure Karl, I’ll go with BEST NON-EVIDENCE for $400?”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, for $400, the Framers would have considered an affirmative answer to what question, as proof that the answering candidate was ineligible to the Presidency?”

    Reverend Moaning: “What is, Are you a long-legged MackDaddy?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Joseph Fair Uh: ”What is, Did you stop beating your Usurper’s wife?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Alan Kees: ”What is, Are you the spawn of Frank Davis and Satan?” BUZZ!

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Sorry, Panel! We were looking for, ‘Do you support a woman’s right to choose?’”

    Karl Gall Oops!:”Okay, choose our next category, Mike Zoo Low – lead instigator for the Mia Copa Cold Case Pussie, Mike?”

    Mike Zoo Low:”Sure, Karl, I’ll take NOT A SCINTELLA OF REAL EVIDENCE for $1000”

    Karl Gall Oops!:”Okay, for $1000, this is the Birther expression used to describe a complete absence of evidence against Obama!”

    Mike Zoo Low:”What is ‘Universe-shattering proof ?” (cash register sound and audience applauds wildly)

    Karl Gall Oops!:”That’s the right answer! Great work, Mike! Now we continue with our next…”

    A.R Nash (interrupting): “What is ‘Natural Law’? “BUZZ!

    Karl Gall Oops!:”Wait a minute, here, A.R., you didn’t pick a category and I didn’t even ask a question yet……”

    A.R Nash: “No problem, ‘Natural law’ is my answer to every question. I can see giant redwoods from my back porch. “

    Karl Gall Oops!:”Oh, come on! That’s another question spoiled. NOW, the only category left is, BIRTHER REGURGITANT MEDIA for $10 TO $100, -Disgraced one-time Lt.Col.Terrial Achin’, what dollar amount do you want to play for?”

    Disgraced former Lt.Col. Achin’: “First, I’d like to examine each of the dollars I may be given, to make sure that they meet the personal standards I myself have adopted for United States legal tender.”

    Karl Gall Oops! (after an exasperated pause):”I can’t run a game show if every contestant can demand that I personally let them examine every piece of currency I hand them, and only agree it has value if it meets some personal standard of value that they privately cling to! Are you nuts?”

    Disgraced former Lt.Col. Achin’: “Just show me every bill and coin in the building , and if they satisfy me, I’ll honor my contract with your show.”

    Karl Gall Oops! (quietly into his headset microphone) “ Lt.Col. Achin’ has become expendable. I wonder, is Nancy Owems still here backstage?” (pause) “Okay, agree to any book deal she wants, darken the stage, tell her our pal Achin’ is out to get her, and roll her cage towards him. As soon as I hear his body being dragged away, I’ll just cover the noise by saying into the P.A. microphone , ‘disgraced former Lt.Col. Achin’, Thank you for your service!”

  159. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 26, 2014 at 9:17 pm  (Quote)

    His style reminds me a lot of Sven Magnussen.

    Black Lion: Some more crazt British crazy…

  160. sfjeff says:
    February 26, 2014 at 9:53 pm  (Quote)

    Not particularly relevant but I continue to be surprised by the admirers of Putin- who call Obama a dictator.

    And these claim to be Americans.

  161. RanTalbott says:
    February 26, 2014 at 11:38 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur: how exactly does a mis-match prove that Obama was born in Kenya?

    It’s a birther principle: Verus in uno, verus in omnibus. If you can prove that just one claim made by your proffered source is true, then all of them must be.

    Or maybe it’s that he’s telling the truth about taking the bus to work: not many birthers know much Latin, so you can’t be sure they know what they’re saying.

  162. JPotter says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:03 am  (Quote)

    Arthur: how exactly does a mis-match prove that Obama was born in Kenya?

    If not A [because I say so], then B. If your story isn’t true, then mine automatically is! Birfers’ favorite style of logics, modus trollens.

  163. Arthur says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:17 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Verus in uno, verus in omnibus. I

    Ah, when it’s expressed in Latin, it all makes perfect sense!

  164. Arthur says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:20 am  (Quote)

    Black Lion: Some more crazt British crazy…

    Sorry for repeating this item, B.L., I didn’t see your post before I submitted mine. By the way, it’s good to see your name again. Welcome back!

  165. Arthur says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:22 am  (Quote)

    Benji Franklin: Let’s begin playing Birther Jeopardy

    I was hoping you would have included Mike Volin and his new partner, the ever wacky, Gier Smith. Nevertheless, enjoyed your dialogue, especially A.R. Nash’s goofiness.

  166. gorefan says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:51 am  (Quote)

    Mike Volin mentioned that in his last September meeting with Congressman Dent they got Zullo on the phone and he mentioned that he had talked to the baby sitter for Ann Dunham in 1961/1962.

    ““[Zullo] even mentioned that he went to the ba…, found the actual baby sitter in Seattle that baby sit for Ann Dunham but she remembers the child as a rather large child not an infant. Information like that.”

    @96:05

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2014/02/27/special-guest-linda-jordan-e-verify-susan-daniels-with-commentary

    Wow, I wonder if that is part of the shattering evidence.

  167. John Reilly says:
    February 27, 2014 at 1:52 am  (Quote)

    I see Dr. Taitz has qualified as a candidate. She describes her occupation as “doctor,” among other things. Isn’t there a government agency, such as the Secretary of State, who vets candidates beforehand to make sure they tell the truth?

  168. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 27, 2014 at 8:41 am  (Quote)

    gorefan:
    Mike Volin mentioned that in his last September meeting with Congressman Dent they got Zullo on the phone and he mentioned that he had talked to the baby sitter for Ann Dunham in 1961/1962.

    ““[Zullo] even mentioned that he went to the ba…, found the actual baby sitter in Seattle that baby sit for Ann Dunham but she remembers the child as a rather large child not an infant.Information like that.”

    @96:05

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2014/02/27/special-guest-linda-jordan-e-verify-susan-daniels-with-commentary

    Wow, I wonder if that is part of the shattering evidence.

    So if it was a big baby this destroys the dimensions on lucas smith’s forgery.

  169. gorefan says:
    February 27, 2014 at 11:41 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: So if it was a big baby this destroys the dimensions on lucas smith’s forgery.

    They might be going for either he was born much earlier than August, 1961 or there are two Barack Obama babies..

  170. Benji Franklin says:
    February 27, 2014 at 12:27 pm  (Quote)

    Per request, more Birther Jeopardy, hosted by Karl Gall Oops!

    Miked Violin: “I’ll take OBAMA’S DIRTY LAUNDRY for $200, Karl!”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “The vast conspiracy of practically every United States Government official, including the U.S. Congress and SCOTUS and the U.S. military, to protect Usurper Obama from criminal investigations began with this comparatively harmless Obot choreographed international diversion.”

    Miked Violin:”What was World War Two?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Orly Taitz:”What was the French ballad that Charles Lincoln III used to get me to co-Obamitate with him in the sedate grip of an imported oriental, gently reciprocating, pneumatic dental chair?” BUZZ! (pause) PING!

    Nancy Owems: “What was the Sumatra sunami in 2004, killing 230,000 people caused by my submarine surfacing too fast because I was so focused on forging Obama identification documents?” BUZZ!

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, Panel, Mike Zoo Low has just handed me a note saying that we can’t share the correct answer to this question with you for 150 more years. Okay. Not a problem. Mark your calendars, hey! This is not going away!”

    Nancy Owems:”Let me just add here, Karl, that the 230,000 people I killed had it coming, because they made me feel unsafe. ”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, Nancy, I hope you know that you’re safe with me.”

    Arthur: Above is the additional segment you requested below!
    I was hoping you would have included Mike Volin and his new partner, the ever wacky, Gier Smith. Nevertheless, enjoyed your dialogue, especially A.R. Nash’s goofiness.(signed) Arthur

  171. Jim says:
    February 27, 2014 at 1:21 pm  (Quote)

    On today’s episode of “As the Birther Turns”…

    Butter is off her medication and the delusions are coming fast and furious

    Orly confuses her AG run and Mississippi case and sends Judge Wingate a “Vote for Orly” button…and sends her response for the case to a supporter in Florida.

    Carl gets laryngitis and injures himself trying to keep his radio show going. (the silence got better ratings!)

    Zullo has a meeting with 6 Republican Congresspeople…and gets laughed and mocked at until he leaves in a huff.

    Larry finds his Alabama case is in deep freeze and attempts to get it moving by abusing young children.

    Don’t miss today’s exciting episode!

  172. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    February 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm  (Quote)

    Benji Franklin:
    Per request, more Birther Jeopardy, hosted by Karl Gall Oops!

    Miked Violin: “I’ll take OBAMA’S DIRTY LAUNDRY for $200, Karl!”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “The vast conspiracy of practically every United States Government official, including the U.S. Congress and SCOTUS and the U.S. military, to protect Usurper Obama from criminal investigations began with this comparatively harmless Obot choreographed international diversion.”

    Miked Violin:”What was World War Two?” BUZZ!(pause)PING!

    Orly Taitz:”What was the French ballad that Charles Lincoln III used to get me to co-Obamitate with him in the sedate grip of an imported oriental, gentlyreciprocating, pneumatic dental chair?” BUZZ!(pause)PING!

    Nancy Owems: “What was the Sumatra sunami in 2004, killing 230,000 people caused by my submarine surfacing too fast because I was so focused on forging Obama identification documents?” BUZZ!

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, Panel, Mike Zoo Low has just handed me a note saying that we can’t share the correct answer to this question with you for 150 more years. Okay. Not a problem. Mark your calendars, hey! This is not going away!”

    Nancy Owems:”Let me just add here, Karl, that the 230,000 people I killed had it coming, because they made me feel unsafe. ”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, Nancy, I hope youknow that you’re safe with me.”

    Arthur: Above is the additional segment you requested below!
    I was hoping you would have included Mike Volin and his new partner, the ever wacky, Gier Smith. Nevertheless, enjoyed your dialogue, especially A.R. Nash’s goofiness.(signed) Arthur

    Call this guy. Don’t comment back until you do and let me know what he says. Name of killer not yet released.

    http://arthurjayharris.com/
    http://arthurjayharris.com/arthur3.html

    2008? Hmm…same year Obama’s photo started appearing everywhere which some people might have recognized and said, “Oh dear God, no! He’s cartel!”

  173. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm  (Quote)

    First, sorry about not tagging the open thread.

    Second, sorry about sharing something I somehow missed along the way: Orly Taitz is a former swimsuit model.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-215881–.html

  174. RanTalbott says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:07 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Orly Taitz is a former swimsuit model.

    Damn: no pics from her former career in the Register article.

    It’s ironic that they close with her quoting Gandhi, since there’s also a Jewish version: “First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then they massacre you by the millions, because totalitarian regimes (like she claims Obama is running) don’t respond to Gandhi’s tactics they way a nation consisting mostly of basically-decent people, with a representative government, does”.

  175. Suranis says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:26 pm  (Quote)

    Actually, your Presidents’ photo began appearing in international media the latter part of 2007. I know because that’s when I first saw it.

    Get help.

    Nancy Ruth Owens:

    2008? Hmm…same year Obama’s photo started appearing everywhere which some people might have recognized and said, “Oh dear God, no! He’s cartel!”

  176. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm  (Quote)

    Suranis:
    Actually, your Presidents’ photo began appearing in international media the latter part of 2007. I know because that’s when I first saw it.

    Get help.

    Actually much earlier than that; 2004 after he gave the keynote address at the DNC Convention. But yes Nancy is wrong as usual.

  177. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:44 pm  (Quote)

    She’s not quoting Gandhi–the quotation is a fake.

    RanTalbott: It’s ironic that they close with her quoting Gandhi, since there’s also a Jewish version:

  178. Bonsall Obot says:
    February 27, 2014 at 8:02 pm  (Quote)

    Orly, Arpaio, Zullo, BZ, the others… Every one of them is a grifter; some are sincere in their hatred of their black president, as well, but they’re in it for the money. And the hate. They’re fair game.

    But our resident troll is seriously mentally ill, a very sick person, and ridicule is out of line. I sincerely hope she gets help, but she can be encouraged to do so and then ignored, without making fun of her for something out of her control.

  179. RanTalbott says:
    February 27, 2014 at 8:21 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: the quotation is a fake

    Oh, the irony.

    I guess that’s what happens when you trust a PDF you downloaded from the web, instead of demanding to see the original Long Form Quote Certificate.

  180. Rickey says:
    February 28, 2014 at 1:36 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Actually much earlier than that; 2004 after he gave the keynote address at the DNC Convention.But yes Nancy is wrong as usual.

    And then on the cover of his second book, published in 2006.

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71svEXFXn9L._SL500_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

  181. gorefan says:
    February 28, 2014 at 3:57 pm  (Quote)

    Saw this at Birther Report in the comments:

    “Ted strikes out twice. a natural born citizen is anyone born to two American parents on American soil. you got an American mother and nothing else. this is what our founders called a natural born citizen. they got its definition from Elmer Vattel’s law of nations law of nature. our founding documents talk of God or natures God and his books are why. politicians are doing what they like to do, act stupid! or say its not defined in our constitution. but it is defined in Vattel’s book. and they know where to look they just act dumb so they can pull their bull crap on us. we need to say no! do not play stupid we know better and your going to jail. we need to make it clear we are not playing games. jail or hell make your choice.”

    Shhhhh, be berry berry quiet I’m hunting NBCs.

  182. Arthur says:
    February 28, 2014 at 4:23 pm  (Quote)

    gorefan: they got its definition from Elmer Vattel’s law of nations law of nature. our founding documents talk of God or natures God and his books are why. politicians are doing what they like to do, act stupid! or say its not defined in our constitution. but it is defined in Vattel’s book.

    And birthers can’t understand why they are mocked and ignored . . . .

  183. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    February 28, 2014 at 4:47 pm  (Quote)

    Kids these days and their new fangled drugs like huffing Elmer’s Vattel.

  184. JD Sue says:
    February 28, 2014 at 8:13 pm  (Quote)

    gorefan: Saw this at Birther Report in the comments:
    “. . . this is what our founders called a natural born citizen. they got its definition from Elmer Vattel’s law of nations law of nature. our founding documents talk of God or natures God and his books are why. politicians are doing what they like to do, act stupid! or say its not defined in our constitution.. . .

    —-

    Remember Tom DeLay, the crooked former Speaker of the House? He showed up recently in an interview, saying, ” “we stopped realizing that God created this nation, that he wrote the Constitution, that it’s based on biblical principles” .

    The “MySA” (San Antonio, TX) website said: “James Madison, the lead author of the United States Constitution and the fourth president of the United States who died in 1836, could not be reached for comment.”

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Tom-DeLay-God-wrote-the-Constitution-5256148.php

  185. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    February 28, 2014 at 10:12 pm  (Quote)

    Reminds me of a web site I stumbled on yesterday, The Constitutionalist Church.

    JD Sue: Remember Tom DeLay, the crooked former Speaker of the House? He showed up recently in an interview, saying, ” “we stopped realizing that God created this nation, that he wrote the Constitution, that it’s based on biblical principles” .

  186. JD Sue says:
    March 1, 2014 at 10:21 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Reminds me of a web site I stumbled on yesterday, The Constitutionalist Church.

    —

    Holy constitution, Batman.

    My favorite line from that site, “[Constitutionalism] is a metareligion”.

  187. Arthur says:
    March 1, 2014 at 1:44 pm  (Quote)

    More evidence that birthers are united by a host of sexual obsessions:

    “Rev. James David Manning of Atlah World Missionary Church is, as usual, focused on President Obama and gay sex. Manning warned African American women about a looming threat intended to wipe out black people everywhere: President Obama commands an army of gay demons, which he has unleashed upon the African American community.”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/president-obama-sending-white-homo-demons

  188. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    March 1, 2014 at 3:47 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur:
    More evidence that birthers are united by a host of sexual obsessions:

    “Rev. James David Manning of Atlah World Missionary Church is, as usual, focused on President Obama and gay sex. Manning warned African American women about a looming threat intended to wipe out black people everywhere: President Obama commands an army of gay demons, which he has unleashed upon the African American community.”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/president-obama-sending-white-homo-demons

    Manning reminds me of those Republican politicians who go way out of their way to demonize homosexuals, only to end up being forced out of the closet themselves, by some scandal they were trying to keep the lid on.

  189. The European says:
    March 2, 2014 at 10:32 am  (Quote)

    For those of you who have really a lot of time to kill (maybe on a Sunday evening),
    something to read:

    http://ia801702.us.archive.org/22/items/gov.uscourts.flsd.415547/gov.uscourts.flsd.415547.79.1.pdf

    258 pages of and about KKKLayman from his fight against his child Judicial Watch. Mrs. Taitz is involved somehow as well. A must-read for every Obot.

    (Birthers should read as well to know who their lawyers really are).

  190. Dave B. says:
    March 2, 2014 at 2:02 pm  (Quote)

    Hey, Doc, there’s a strong contender for quote of the day in George Will’s column today–
    Ken Buck, 2010 candidate in Colorado’s Republican Senate primary:
    “Will you tell those dumbasses at the tea party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I’m on the camera?”

  191. Dave B. says:
    March 2, 2014 at 2:08 pm  (Quote)

    And of course, Doc’s already covered that one.
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/08/what-am-i-supposed-to-do/

    Dave B.:
    Hey, Doc, there’s a strong contender for quote of the day in George Will’s column today–
    Ken Buck, 2010 candidate in Colorado’s Republican Senate primary:
    “Will you tell those dumbasses at the tea party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I’m on the camera?”

  192. RanTalbott says:
    March 2, 2014 at 2:09 pm  (Quote)

    Let’s all join in welcoming Ken Buck to the Giant International Multigenerational Conspiracy…

  193. Arthur says:
    March 2, 2014 at 11:35 pm  (Quote)

    Uh-oh. Someone at B.R. referred to Falcon using a first name, and he’s got a mad on!

    “I told you all before that I knew I would encounter trolls and do not use my real name. So, as I stated before, there could be lawsuits on the horizon unless they can prove it.

    “It’s helpful to remember that I have a family of attorneys and all of their names and addresses. Lawsuits could ensue should they keep trying to figure out my identity and coming up wrong.” http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/03/web-of-deceit-confirmed-cyber-warriors.html

    Poor little boy.

  194. CarlOrcas says:
    March 3, 2014 at 12:08 am  (Quote)

    Arthur: “It’s helpful to remember that I have a family of attorneys and all of their names and addresses.”

    A few more public tantrums like this and they’ll be changing their names and addresses.

  195. BatGuano says:
    March 3, 2014 at 12:52 am  (Quote)

    didn’t see this mentioned elsewhere on the site but it appears orly has been playing loose and fast with the definition of “endorsement”. both “tea party nation” and “calguns.net” are taking issue with orly’s claim that they are supporting her campaign.

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=900253&page=2

    http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topic/show?id=3355873%3ATopic%3A2793436&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic&page=2#comments

    orly is already attacking calguns owner on her site.

  196. BatGuano says:
    March 3, 2014 at 1:08 am  (Quote)

    and gotta love this one. orly is claiming that the “Tea Party Nation stands up in support of Attorney Orly Taitz…”. as proof she posts some of the comments….. from an article that specifically states the the tea party nation is not supporting orly taitz!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=447734

  197. RanTalbott says:
    March 3, 2014 at 2:07 am  (Quote)

    Something similar happened with calguns.net.

    Orly claimed something like (I’ve forgotten the exact words, and that may be important later) “calguns.net supports me”.

    When challenged by the nonplussed owner of the site, she cited early results from an online poll taken during her 2012 Senate primary. But the final results showed her losing by about 3-to-1.

    Fortunately for Orly, a quick skim of the thread indicates that the site’s cleintele are not the sort who brag about wearing a matched pair of 1911s in the shower. But the owner is rattling the trademark sabre, so there might be a metaphorical shoot-out. Could be Orly’s big chance to lose from the defense table for a change.

  198. MattR says:
    March 3, 2014 at 2:51 am  (Quote)

    Arthur (quoting Falcon at BR): It’s helpful to remember that I have a family of attorneys and all of their names and addresses.

    As opposed to those people who have a family of attorneys but can’t remember their names or addresses.

  199. Thinker says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:06 am  (Quote)

    The Social Security Administration has submitted its opposition to Taitz’s recent motion for summary judgment in her Maryland Harry Bounel case. I don’t understand what they are contending about the material difference between the original FOIA request they received for Harry Bounel that was submitted in 2012 by the person who originally came across the name in the census and the request submitted by Taitz last year. I don’t understand why they didn’t just say “no records responsive to your request” in response to the 2012 request.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/210208053/Taitz-v-Colvin-Opposition-to-Plaintiff-s-MSJ

  200. Dave B. says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:15 am  (Quote)

    I’ve never come across these guys before:

    http://natural-borncitizens.com/thelawyerslegalargumentorlegaltheory.html

    “The National Society of Natural-Born Citizens of the United States,” and they’re out there. They say of President Obama,
    “neither his father nor his mother were United States citizens at the time of his birth. Under United States law, Mrs. Ann Dunham (Stanley) Obama expatriated herself when she married a foreign national, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.”
    and go on to explain,
    “The reason Mrs. Obama, Sr. expatriated herself is based on ancient law recorded by Henry of Bratton in a collection credited to him titled Bracton on the Laws and Customs of England written between the 1220’s and 1230’s possibly by others and added to by him in the 1250’s. In a translation from the Latin to English done by Samuel Thorne of the Harvard Law School, this description is found in Volume 2, page 31: “Who may be called free and who freeborn. He may be called free and freeborn who immediately at birth is free, whether he is the offspring of two free and freeborn parents, or of a freedman and a freedwoman, that is, persons manumitted from lawful bondage, or of one freeborn parent and one freed, or if he is born of an unfree mother and a free father, provided he was born outside a villain tenement and in a free bed, and provided he was born in wedlock. So to if he is born of a free mother and an unfree father out of wedlock. It suffices [for him to be free] that the mother, though she [afterwards] was made a bondswoman [by the marriage], is free either at the time the offspring is conceived or at the time it is born, or at least at some time during the interval, for the misfortune of the mother ought not to injure him who is in the womb.” Do a word substitution as follows: Free=citizen; Freeborn=natural born citizen; Freedman=naturalized male citizen; Freedwoman=naturalized female citizen; Unfree=non-citizen; Manumitted=sent; Lawful Bondage=prior citizenship; Villein tenement=serfs bondage=non citizen. In the United States, a woman who marries a foreign national expatriates herself based on MacKenzie v. Hare et el., Board of Elections of San Francisco (1915) 239 U. S. 299, based on the Citizenship Act of March 2, 1907, and in Savorgnan v. United States et el. (1950) 338 U. S. 491, supporting the Nationality Act of 1940.”
    According to them, Jefferson, Jackson, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, Hoover were not natural born citizens, and neither is Obama.
    On their “About Us” page, they say,
    “An Amendment is necessary to allow woman inclusion within the meaning of natural born citizen. Woman are currently not eligible to the Office of President because they are not included in the definition of natural born citizen.
    An Amendment needs to be proposed to include the Races other than Caucasian (European) which currently is the only race within the definition of natural born citizen. Congress needs to propose an Amendment to the Constitution that would make other races eligible for the Office of President. Congress is currently outside the law committing Treason by attempting to destroy the Constitution.”
    Oh, and as hard as it may be to believe, they have a “Donate” page.

  201. RanTalbott says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:25 am  (Quote)

    Dave B.: Do a word substitution as follows:

    Or, you can save time and space with this one:

    National Society of Natural-Born Citizens of the United States=nutjobs

    Actually, more likely:

    National Society of Natural-Born Citizens of the United States=college kids punking birthers for beer money

  202. Bovril says:
    March 3, 2014 at 4:32 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: A few more public tantrums like this and they’ll be changing their names and addresses.

    I would love to know exactly which law or set of laws Blue Falcons passel of attorney relatives would call on. Last I looked, it is not a crime to identify an individual by name based on their own posts etc.

    Obviously if one used, I don’t know, no public/proprietry information services there may be some problem but otherewise SOL.

  203. Lupin says:
    March 3, 2014 at 6:25 am  (Quote)

    Dave B.:
    I’ve never come across these guys before:

    http://natural-borncitizens.com/thelawyerslegalargumentorlegaltheory.html

    “The National Society of Natural-Born Citizens of the United States,” and they’re out there.They say of President Obama,
    “neither his father nor his mother were United States citizens at the time of his birth.Under United States law, Mrs. Ann Dunham (Stanley) Obama expatriated herself when she married a foreign national, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.”
    and go on to explain,
    “The reason Mrs. Obama, Sr. expatriated herself is based on ancient law recorded by Henry of Bratton in a collection credited to him titled Bracton on the Laws and Customs of England written between the 1220′s and 1230′s possibly by others and added to by him in the 1250′s.In a translation from the Latin to English done by Samuel Thorne of the Harvard Law School, this description is found in Volume 2, page 31:“Who may be called free and who freeborn.He may be called free and freeborn who immediately at birth is free, whether he is the offspring of two free and freeborn parents, or of a freedman and a freedwoman, that is, persons manumitted from lawful bondage, or of one freeborn parent and one freed, or if he is born of an unfree mother and a free father, provided he was born outside a villain tenement and in a free bed, and provided he was born in wedlock.So to if he is born of a free mother and an unfree father out of wedlock.It suffices [for him to be free] that the mother, though she [afterwards] was made a bondswoman [by the marriage], is free either at the time the offspring is conceived or at the time it is born, or at least at some time during the interval, for the misfortune of the mother ought not to injure him who is in the womb.”Do a word substitution as follows: Free=citizen; Freeborn=natural born citizen; Freedman=naturalized male citizen; Freedwoman=naturalized female citizen; Unfree=non-citizen; Manumitted=sent; Lawful Bondage=prior citizenship; Villein tenement=serfs bondage=non citizen.In the United States, a woman who marries a foreign national expatriates herself based on MacKenzie v. Hare et el., Board of Elections of San Francisco (1915) 239 U. S. 299, based on the Citizenship Act of March 2, 1907, and in Savorgnan v. United States et el. (1950) 338 U. S. 491, supporting the Nationality Act of 1940.”
    According to them, Jefferson, Jackson, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, Hoover were not natural born citizens, and neither is Obama.
    On their “About Us” page, they say,
    “An Amendment is necessary to allow woman inclusion within the meaning of natural born citizen.Woman are currently not eligible to the Office of President because they are not included in the definition of natural born citizen.An Amendment needs to be proposed to include the Races other than Caucasian (European) which currently is the only race within the definition of natural born citizen.Congress needs to propose an Amendment to the Constitution that would make other races eligible for the Office of President.Congress is currently outside the law committing Treason by attempting to destroy the Constitution.”
    Oh, and as hard as it may be to believe, they have a “Donate” page.

    This seems a paraphrase of the Gordon’s Precepts for the KKK. Plus ca change…

  204. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:48 am  (Quote)

    They only go to provide Doc’s Law of the Internet:

    “Any fool can make a web site.”

    RanTalbott: Or, you can save time and space with this one:

    National Society of Natural-Born Citizens of the United States=nutjobs

  205. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 8:15 am  (Quote)

    I’ve added Mr. Shellhorn to Birthers A-Z page and his site to the “Bad” links below.

    Dave B.: I’ve never come across these guys before:

  206. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 8:19 am  (Quote)

    Since it is a common name, I’ll repeat it: “Richard.” I thought I had figured out his real name, but I frankly don’t remember what it was.

    The Lawsuit angle is pretty silly. If I claimed that he was “Richard Richards” how could he sue? In the one case it would be true, and in the other cased, it wouldn’t be him.

    Arthur: Uh-oh. Someone at B.R. referred to Falcon using a first name, and he’s got a mad on!

  207. Bovril says:
    March 3, 2014 at 8:42 am  (Quote)

    Things that make you go h’mmmmmm

    Falcon is scared (well terrified) of someone giving out hi/her real identity

    The only people (in this arena) who have tried to do nefarious and nasty things with real peoples identities are Birthers

    Therefore Falcon is scared of birthers

    Ipso-fact, QED, there ya goes, BitterDelusional indirectly confirmed….. Falcon is really an Obot.

    😎 😎

  208. JPotter says:
    March 3, 2014 at 10:11 am  (Quote)

    MattR: As opposed to those people who have a family of attorneys but can’t remember their names or addresses.

    I think, with that oddly impersonal threat, Falcon confirmed what his posting activity implies: he is an outcast / shut-in / recluse. Poor dirty bird.

    Having spent Sunday on the couch with gastrointestinal distress, I have to say the real thing is far more distressing than birfer-induced GI distress.

    Most distressing of all, I threw a handful of darts at BR Saturday, generated many retorts, but haven’t been online, haven’t replied. Oh, they must really think they told me something this time 😉

    A handful of them were asserting that O had been secretly removed on 3/1, but no announcement had been made.

    Just one step away from claiming that the usurper O has been replaced by a lookalike, a là Dave.

  209. RanTalbott says:
    March 3, 2014 at 10:15 am  (Quote)

    JPotter: Just one step away from claiming that the usurper O has been replaced by a lookalike, a là Dave.

    Don’t give ’em any ideas: next thing you know, they’ll be demanding two birth certificates…

  210. JPotter says:
    March 3, 2014 at 10:43 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Don’t give ‘em any ideas: next thing you know, they’ll be demanding two birth certificates…

    They already did 😛 (And manage to forget about them both!)

    And then they demanded certifications of the certifications …. which they ignore.

    If they ever did go with a doppelgänger angle, it’ll be fun to hear them explain why the double acts just like the original. Or maybe their confirmation bias will convince them that he isn’t acting like he always has, and they’ll finally Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Obama.

  211. Thomas Brown says:
    March 3, 2014 at 1:55 pm  (Quote)

    Oh jeepers. I know Richard Shellhorn; he’s my locksmith, going back almost 20 years. Based on his full name and the location given on his “About Us” page.

    We’ve had some verbal knock-down/drag-outs about the Natural Born Citizen thing. I gave him all the aggregation pages from Doc, RC and NBC about eligibility, the string cite of court rulings, and the CRS report by Jack Maskell. I used to be his friend, so I copied at least 100 pages for him. However…

    After I had knocked down all contemporary arguments, he reverted to idiocies like obscure 13th Century English laws and citing Catullus and what not. Desperate to find the pony.

    He was always a nice enough guy, very professional. But Obama seems to have sent him right around the bend, and based on his writings he’s probably a racist and misogynist, although I’m sure he’d deny it.

    He seems to have taken my initial suggestion, though. I pointed out for the 100th time that saying there ought to be a Constitutional clarification of NBC status and that people like Obama, Cruz and Rubio (in terms of birth condition) should be officially deemed ineligible… that’s not offensive, loony or disrespectful of the Presidency. Saying that everyone else is wrong about what our current laws and practices are in terms of NBC eligibility, meaning BHO has “usurped” the office… that IS horrid, disloyal, and crazy.

    Oh well. My two cents on whether he is also ‘Falcon’: I doubt it. Richard is more of a tireless, obsessive conspiracy nut than a bully. No ex-military, gun nut, you’ll-be-sorry stuff. He didn’t call me a Communist enabler or anything. The personalities just don’t jibe. To me. But I’m just a wood butcher, what do I know. Maybe Falcon is his secret fantasy alter-ego.

  212. Missyourmark says:
    March 3, 2014 at 2:51 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve noted that Orly’s ego is inflating beyond the point even I could have imagined (with her newfound expertise in international political events, her new campaign for office, etc.) but it made me chuckle a little harder to read that Orly feels snubbed by the Oscars. Somehow she feels she was worthy of being honored.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=447741

    And I especially love how she is the biggest cheerleader for how much ‘courage’ she has, modesty be damned.

  213. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm  (Quote)

    Let me hasten to say that my adding Richard Shellhorn to the Birther A-Z today is purely coincidental to the name “Richard” being raised at Birther Report as a possible name for Falcon. In fact, I didn’t even make the connection until reading comments here. I have no reason at this point to think that the two are the same person.

    However, I think it quite likely that Falcon’s real first name is Richard because he’s definitely a Dick.

    Thomas Brown: Oh jeepers. I know Richard Shellhorn; he’s my locksmith,

  214. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:21 pm  (Quote)

    That’s very much like the Gordon Epperly stuff in Alaska.

    Dave B.: Woman are currently not eligible to the Office of President because they are not included in the definition of natural born citizen.

  215. CarlOrcas says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:44 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: ……..because he’s definitely a Dick.

    LOL!! That and so much more. Thanks for the chuckle.

  216. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 3, 2014 at 6:48 pm  (Quote)

    OMG. This is the great mother of crazy anti-Taitz and anti-Pastor Manning videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidJamesManning

  217. CarlOrcas says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:05 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    OMG. This is the great mother of crazy anti-Taitz and anti-Pastor Manning videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidJamesManning

    Wow!!!

    Orly isn’t going to like this.

  218. JPotter says:
    March 4, 2014 at 10:45 am  (Quote)

    A reply to Herm’s latest off-topic dump:

    Hermitian: Proof that the YCbCr label is not unique to Xerox is now in hand.

    Oh, Herms. You poor sad sack. You’re really wasting your life, scouring the internet looking for any sign of hope. So much so, that you’ve gone in a circle, and found a PDF that is nothing more than an analog for the LFBC PDF.

    The PDF you’ve linked to is a compilation. Most of it was created directly from a digital file, but it features several appendices that were scanned by outside sources. For instance, look at pgs 12 and 13. They are the only pages exhibiting telltale signs of MRC. Are those the pages you found the “YCbCr” tag on? 😉

    You say …

    There is no indication that the document was ever touched by a Xerox or by MAC OS Preview.

    .. and follow that with …

    Not only does this PDF file contain the YCbCr label but also the Quantization and Huffman tables are identical to those of the Obama LFCOLB.

    … which are precisely the indications that the 2 pages featuring MRC compression were scanned in on a Xerox. If you recall, the LFBC itself does not scream, “I WAS SCANNED ON A XEROX MFD” in its markup.

    Duh.

    As always, the comment editor ate most of the METADATA in my previous post.

    The Obots have never figured out how to fix this problem.

    You expect Doc to rewrite WordPress just to mask your inadequacies?
    You should go over to BR and make the same complaint about their intensedebate plugin LOL

  219. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 4, 2014 at 11:28 am  (Quote)

    He made the claim that he had proven that the White House PDF could have been forged using certain tools, but he didn’t. All he did was to show (maybe) that something in the White House PDF could have been created by other means. He never actually did anything.

    Unlike the CCP critics who actually scanned a document and created a PDF remarkably similar to Obama’s, Hermitian hasn’t created any forgery remarkably similar to Obama’s. While the critics have shown a highly probable explanation for the PDF’s properties, no birther has made a forgery remotely similar.

    JPotter: A reply to Herm’s latest off-topic dump:

  220. Jim says:
    March 4, 2014 at 12:05 pm  (Quote)

    4 days into March and the silence from the CCP is deafening! They better come up with something soon, else the birthers will start eating their own!

    The election’s over and the President is into his second term…

    The birthers’ empty threats have been laughed at and ignored
    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/2a/7b/41/2a7b410d1071a3adcf762b4ce61c48d5.jpg

    And still the birthers wait
    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1d/1d334575596e8d86f138dbeac3b7fe668a25111231408bfc280aeb3aac8146a4.jpg

    Thinking they are the saviors of the USA
    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/00/0006a4def3258905f05940a9f46ed053d8751dbfb8a473806fab51f893a748ee.jpg

    They wait for Zullo to shatter their universe
    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/03/03e8868e609745826d35a44afea2822b5adaf954ccfb4c2a9da5ed7fd548afb4.jpg

    For that call to action that will never come
    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/23/23976c516856183ffc6b7dd2192159b8750d40ea82695107514f0281bef86bb0.jpg

    To lead them in the destruction of the USA
    http://img2.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-demotivation-america-479282.jpeg

    While the anti-birther sites just enjoy making fun of the birthers
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M4VDb5gNEUk/UmKaZWtCYQI/AAAAAAAAxg4/imZRTAD8j-M/s1600/Unusual_sarcasm_notice.jpg

    Even the President realizes what a joke the birthers are
    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltli4n5TgV1qzy4n9.gif

    And the Speaker agrees
    http://media.giphy.com/media/ewFZVxag7Ki76/giphy.gif

    Instead of Universe-shattering, all they are left with is birther-shattering
    http://media.giphy.com/media/Sarq8EMcRgduU/giphy.gif

    And the rest of the world is left to make fun of Falcon
    http://media.giphy.com/media/HAGtCsvzMm9tC/giphy.gif

  221. JPotter says:
    March 4, 2014 at 1:05 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: He made the claim that he had proven that the White House PDF could have been forged using certain tools, but he didn’t.

    He claimed more than that, that he had undermined the profile used to prove that the LFBC PDF was a product of Xerox MRC .. that Xerox MRC’s fingerprints aren’t Xerox MRC’s fingerprints. Roxy will be peeved.

    And what lit up his confirmation bias in the wee hours? A compiled PDF, which included 2 pages that … were scanned …. on a Xerox.

    Poor dumb bunny.

    Even more sloppily, he didn’t bother to provide the quantization table or any sign that he had successfully found the YCbCr tag. NBC would know better, but I don’t think Herm’s had ever successfully manage to extract that before.

    In short, not only is he wrong, but he’s BS’ing. I look forward to the entertainment value of his Scribdribble 😀

  222. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    March 4, 2014 at 1:38 pm  (Quote)

    The YCbCr comment is actually present (the tables look to be the same as well, but I haven’t done the comparison). Of course, the only reason he can find it is because whatever program was used to merge the various files (Distiller? PDF X-change?) removed the extra Flate encoding. It also used the CTM to rotate the images, rather than the /Rotate command. Actually, this might be the merging program, or it might be from passing it through Mac Preview first.

  223. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    March 4, 2014 at 1:42 pm  (Quote)

    Also, I have reason to believe that there was a non-Xerox scanner used in another portion of the document. I need to run it through a hex editor to be sure – it may tell us what it was.

  224. Jim says:
    March 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm  (Quote)

    So, let me get this straight. Hermie is pulling images off the web to prove…what?

  225. CarlOrcas says:
    March 4, 2014 at 2:00 pm  (Quote)

    Jim:
    So, let me get this straight.Hermie is pulling images off the web to prove…what?

    Thank you!! I don’t get it either. I certainly don’t understand the technical stuff but, more to the point, once the State of Hawaii says he was born there…..what the hell is there to talk about????

  226. roxy7655 says:
    March 4, 2014 at 2:58 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Dr. Conspiracy: He made the claim that he had proven that the White House PDF could have been forged using certain tools, but he didn’t.

    He claimed more than that, that he had undermined the profile used to prove that the LFBC PDF was a product of Xerox MRC .. that Xerox MRC’s fingerprints aren’t Xerox MRC’s fingerprints. Roxy will be peeved.

    You’re darn tootin’. I left those fingerprints for a reason: the plan was that Birthers would point to “anomalies” in the LFBC and eventually someone halfway smart would find my fingerprints and they would realize it was all nothing, like we’ve seen before.

    Little did I suspect that Birthers were idiots wrapped in cloaks of stupid with buffoon hats peering through moron-lens bifocals wearing dolt slippers with dimwit sprinkles on top.

  227. nbc says:
    March 4, 2014 at 3:48 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: He claimed more than that, that he had undermined the profile used to prove that the LFBC PDF was a product of Xerox MRC .. that Xerox MRC’s fingerprints aren’t Xerox MRC’s fingerprints. Roxy will be peeved.

    Given the evidence to dispute this, I am surprised that anyone would make such claims? Perhaps our friend needs to become more familiar with the tools of the trade and do some proper research.

  228. Joey says:
    March 4, 2014 at 3:52 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Thank you!! I don’t get it either. I certainly don’t understand the technical stuff but, more to the point, once the State of Hawaii says he was born there…..what the hell is there to talk about????

    Birthers are interested in digital reproduction processes. The courts are interested in a hard copy document with a Seal and a certifying signature which lists a date of birth and a place of birth.
    Never the twain shall meet.

  229. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm  (Quote)

    There are rich test editor plugins for WordPress. IIRC we used to have one but it had problems.

    JPotter: You expect Doc to rewrite WordPress just to mask your inadequacies?

  230. Jim says:
    March 4, 2014 at 4:25 pm  (Quote)

    roxy7655: Little did I suspect that Birthers were idiots wrapped in cloaks of stupid with buffoon hats peering through moron-lens bifocals wearing dolt slippers with dimwit sprinkles on top.

    Roxy, how could you forget the tinfoil hats?!?!?!?!

  231. CarlOrcas says:
    March 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm  (Quote)

    Joey: Birthers are interested in digital reproduction processes. The courts are interested in a hard copy document with a Seal and a certifying signature which lists a date of birth and a place of birth.
    Never the twain shall meet.

    Oh, I understand all that. I’m just fascinated by the birther’s willfulness when it comes to ignoring reality.

  232. Northland10 says:
    March 4, 2014 at 6:27 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    There are rich test editor plugins for WordPress. IIRC we used to have one but it had problems.

    At some point, I explained to Hermie how he could insert Metadata in a WordPress comment without having it ripped apart by HTML coding. Instead of improving his abilities it was just easier to whine about Doc and NBC not having the same commenting functionality as a large corporation.

    Stop your whining Hemie.. Don’t you have goalposts to move? That have sat for almost half a day.

    Oh, and if you cannot figure out a simple work around for a wordpress comment, we have no reason to think you can possibly understand PDF creation processes.

  233. Crustacean says:
    March 4, 2014 at 7:08 pm  (Quote)

    roxy7655: idiots wrapped in cloaks of stupid with buffoon hats peering through moron-lens bifocals wearing dolt slippers with dimwit sprinkles on top.

    Tell it like it is, Roxy!! Hell hath no fury like an exasperated copy machine. You should see the names my Ricoh Aficio called me when I tried to feed some labels through the wrong input tray…

  234. JPotter says:
    March 4, 2014 at 7:12 pm  (Quote)

    Northland10: Instead of improving his abilities it was just easier to whine about Doc and NBC not having the same commenting functionality as a large corporation.

    Oh, believe you me, what Doc and NBC provide is far more robust than what the Amazon forums allow! Very limited character set over there, tends to eat URLs, can’t create links (except to Amazon product pages! 😉 ), multiple spaces and returns are ignored, no formatting tags whatsoever, etc, etc.

    Herms just happened to find one thing that works OK for him there with no effort on his part, but not the same here.

    Tough. Can’t expect the world to conform to you.

    Oh, wait, that’s the central tenet to the birfer mindset LOL

  235. Northland10 says:
    March 4, 2014 at 8:21 pm  (Quote)

    Hermie is trying to do this but cannot remember how:

    <?xpacket begin=”o;?” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?>
    <x:xmpmeta xmlns:x=”adobe:ns:meta/” x:xmptk=”Adobe XMP Core 5.2-c001 63.139439, 2010/09/27-13:37:26 “>
    <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=”http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#”>
    <rdf:Description rdf:about=””
    xmlns:xmp=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/”>
    <xmp:ModifyDate>2013-03-01T11:56:18-05:00</xmp:ModifyDate>
    <xmp:CreateDate>2013-03-01T11:56:18-05:00</xmp:CreateDate>
    <xmp:MetadataDate>2013-03-01T11:56:18-05:00</xmp:MetadataDate>
    <xmp:CreatorTool>Acrobat PDFMaker 10.1 for Word</xmp:CreatorTool>

    All I did was search for a comment I left on how to do this.

  236. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    March 4, 2014 at 10:26 pm  (Quote)

    Hmmm, I suspect Hermie can’t mine for fish, and doesn’t know how to shot web either. 😉

    Sorry for the dated memes guys, but I had to severely dumb this down for Hermie’s sake.

  237. gorefan says:
    March 5, 2014 at 1:08 am  (Quote)

    Now that Congressman Stockman lost the Texas Senate primary, he will be free to pursue the CCP case again.

  238. RanTalbott says:
    March 5, 2014 at 3:17 am  (Quote)

    I thought the CCP case was pursuing him. Isn’t that what all the Shurf Kits are about?

  239. Keith says:
    March 5, 2014 at 4:41 pm  (Quote)

    Joey: Never the twain shall meet.

    I see what you did there.

    Perhaps that should have been Roxy’s line?

  240. roxy7655 says:
    March 5, 2014 at 5:08 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: I see what you did there.

    Perhaps that should have been Roxy’s line?

    Birthers have the hardest time grasping the difference between my output and input. Regardless of the legal weight of what goes in, my output doesn’t carry the same weight; it is just a convenient fiction. It can be made meaningful with a live signature or official stamp, but until then it’s a mirage. A ghost of the real thing.

    In other words: if you were to place a real lawyer on my platen and press “copy,” what comes out would be Orly Taitz.

  241. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    March 5, 2014 at 5:10 pm  (Quote)

    Do we have any secret Obot agents over at BR, rubbing “Hey! It’s March! Why is the universe unshattered?!” in their faces? I took a shufti outside earlier, and everything still looks unshattered.

  242. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 5, 2014 at 5:53 pm  (Quote)

    Call key operator, quick!

    roxy7655: In other words: if you were to place a real lawyer on my platen and press “copy,” what comes out would be Orly Taitz.

  243. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 6:35 pm  (Quote)

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Do we have any secret Obot agents over at BR, rubbing “Hey! It’s March! Why is the universe unshattered?!” in their faces? I took a shufti outside earlier, and everything still looks unshattered.

    The good Doctor is doing quite well by himself. If anyone hasn’t seen today’s activity in the Linda Jordan (Who is that woman?) thread take the time to check it out:

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/03/the-ticket-see-big-obama-lies-we-have.html#idc-cover

    Change the display criteria to “Last Activity” and the thread will sort to the top.

    Still no word yet on the site about the surprise in Surprise.

  244. JPotter says:
    March 5, 2014 at 7:17 pm  (Quote)

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Do we have any secret Obot agents over at BR, rubbing “Hey! It’s March! Why is the universe unshattered?!” in their faces?

    There are a few who pop in and take an anonymous leak on the parade. I don’t recall anyone trolling as a pseudo-birfer. I do poke fun their a bit, but in the clear. And mostly ridiculing the illogic and hypoerbole. Plan to mozy that way after work tonight, to ponder on the shattering of the universes, and continue the countdown to Fool’s Day 😀

    There’s a lot of interest there in the Gallups Tea Party talk … hilarious that the only video availabel was yanked …. I thought Bovril was having a laugh at their expense, until he made it clear there really was a video there at first LOL

  245. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 7:31 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: There’s a lot of interest there in the Gallups Tea Party talk … hilarious that the only video availabel was yanked …. I thought Bovril was having a laugh at their expense, until he made it clear there really was a video there at first LOL

    I’ve seen your posts in a couple threads. Which one has the questions about the surprise in Surprise?

  246. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 5, 2014 at 8:14 pm  (Quote)

    Joey: Birthers are interested in digital reproduction processes. The courts are interested in a hard copy document with a Seal and a certifying signature which lists a date of birth and a place of birth.
    Never the twain shall meet.

    Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. I forged his short form, signed his long form, and helped create the Selective Service card. The mailman is from Clewiston, Florida. Not Chicago.

  247. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 5, 2014 at 9:16 pm  (Quote)

    I’m working on my own March Surprise, but it could totally fall through. If it doesn’t, it could be Birtherverse shattering.

    CarlOrcas: Still no word yet on the site about the surprise in Surprise.

  248. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 9:24 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’m working on my own March Surprise, but it could totally fall through. If it doesn’t, it could be Birtherverse shattering.

    Be still my heart!!

  249. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm  (Quote)

    A not very big surprise from Surprise!! The video isn’t going to be released until Gallups says it’s okay. Here it is from BR:

    SKB1978 · 1 hour ago
    OK – just pulled into my driveway here and checked my phone. Received this email from Surprise Tea Party…

    John Madeira stppjm@gmail.com
    4:58 PM (29 minutes ago)

    Scott,

    I would love to send it to you but we are not posting it or sharing it until we receive approval from Carl.

    His initial address was great and he received multiple ovations from the audience. His answers to questions were direct, no hesitation. It was an awesome presentation approximately 50 minutes.

    My reply:
    Scott B scottkb1978@gmail.com
    5:24 PM (19 minutes ago)

    Sounds good, John! If it’s available at some point, let me know.

    Thanks to all the folks on your end who have done such a great job forwarding the eligibility/birth certificate issue!

    Scott

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/03/shocker-columbia-daily-herald-publishes.html

    Any day now.

  250. BillTheCat says:
    March 5, 2014 at 9:53 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. I forged his short form, signed his long form, and helped create the Selective Service card. The mailman is from Clewiston, Florida. Not Chicago.

    COO-COO, COO-COO!

    No one believes you, crazy lady.

  251. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:09 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. I forged his short form, signed his long form, and helped create the Selective Service card. The mailman is from Clewiston, Florida. Not Chicago.

    I’m sure you’ve explained this before…..but I wonder how did you get your forgeries into the Hawaii files? And….how about those newspaper birth announcements?

    Just curious.

  252. JPotter says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:16 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: it could be Birtherverse shattering.

    If intended as in actually making an impression on the fantastically dense denizens of that realm, then shattering the birferverse is a feat far more impressive shattering a universe!

    CarlOrcas: The video isn’t going to be released until Gallups says it’s okay.

    Ah, so maybe it was posted on the YouTubes for Big Carl’s private viewing pleasure. Still,I’m not getting a sense of urgency from these guys. They don’t seem to know how to work a crowd. Maybe CG will mention it in his show, but I would guess that he probably speaks to lots of groups? He does style himself a minister of some sorts? speaking should be routine.

    CarlOrcas: Which one has the questions about the surprise in Surprise?

    Some in “The Ticket” posted 3/3/14, near bottom of thread.

  253. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:25 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Big Carl’s private viewing pleasure.

    …Oh well. I didn’t need to sleep ever again anyway.

  254. Dave B. says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:30 pm  (Quote)

    So what you’re saying is…basically…in other words, Carl Gallups will sell no whine before its time.

    CarlOrcas: A not very big surprise from Surprise!! The video isn’t going to be released until Gallups says it’s okay. Here it is from BR:

  255. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:30 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Ah, so maybe it was posted on the YouTubes for Big Carl’s private viewing pleasure. Still,I’m not getting a sense of urgency from these guys. They don’t seem to know how to work a crowd. Maybe CG will mention it in his show, but I would guess that he probably speaks to lots of groups? He does style himself a minister of some sorts? speaking should be routine.

    I’ve listened to his show a couple times and I don’t find him a compelling presence. I don’t know how he does as a standalone speaker.

    I find it fascinating that his talk and question session only lasted 50 minutes. You would think it would take a little more time to deal with a universe shattering event than that.

  256. CarlOrcas says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:45 pm  (Quote)

    Dave B.:
    So what you’re saying…basically…in other words, Carl Gallups will sell no whine before its time.

    So………….maybe they are going to offer a package deal? A copy of the speech with the Reed Hayes report and the final report from the posse?

  257. Dave B. says:
    March 5, 2014 at 10:57 pm  (Quote)

    An’ a bolla red. or twooo…
    That speech about the Swiss and their cuckoo clock from The Third Man is crying out for a birther adaptation.

    CarlOrcas: So………….maybe they are going to offer a package deal? A copy of the speech with the Reed Hayes report and the final report from the posse?

  258. RanTalbott says:
    March 5, 2014 at 11:19 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I find it fascinating that his talk and question session only lasted 50 minutes

    How many different ways can you say “It’s really big, but I can’t tell you yet”?

    Besides, given the average age of the crowd, after 50 minutes, most of the males in the room were probably in urgent need of a bathroom break (Laugh while you can, kids: someday, you’ll be weeping. And not with your eyes…).

  259. Arthur says:
    March 5, 2014 at 11:47 pm  (Quote)

    BillTheCat: No one believes you, crazy lady.

    The poor thing’s not interested in being believed, she’s interested in getting attention. If you want to criticize her, ignore her.

  260. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:01 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: it could be Birtherverse shattering

    Just like in “Donnie Darko”. It’s not our universe (the real one) that will be destroyed but the tangent universe created when birthers appeared on the scene in 2008.
    Now I finally can connect the dots! 🙂

  261. Reality Check says:
    March 6, 2014 at 6:55 am  (Quote)

    Doc

    Do you have any idea why the pinch/zoom gesture on an iPad doesn’t work here? It would be nice for reading if it did. I have seen some discussion on this and it might involve changing the theme settings to allow user scaling.

  262. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 6, 2014 at 7:38 am  (Quote)

    I know why it’s happening. The WordPress theme I’m using is called Canvas. It’s an an “adaptive theme” meaning that it changes its layout depending on the device size so, for example, in a narrow size the right sidebar is moved to the bottom of the page. Generally, as I read it, adaptive themes disable pinch/zoom for mobile devices.

    The only to change this, according to discussions on the theme forum, is to hack the code, which I don’t do because it means you have to hack the code again every time there is an update (and they are pretty frequent).

    On my iPhone, though, the text is quite large without zooming. On my Windows tablet I can pinch/zoom, probably because the theme doesn’t recognize the user agent as from a mobile device.

    There’s a lot of debate on this topic, search for: wordpress adaptive theme pinch zoom

    Reality Check:
    Doc

    Do you have any idea why the pinch/zoom gesture on an iPad doesn’t work here? It would be nice for reading if it did. I have seen some discussion on this and it might involve changing the theme settings to allow user scaling.

  263. Reality Check says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:30 am  (Quote)

    Thanks for looking at it Doc. It sounds like there is no fix on this theme.

  264. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:54 am  (Quote)

    Funny results from the Gibberish Generator at http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Gibber/GibGen.htm, using one of Doc’s articles as source:


    “We’re in the congress over.” With some to six monuments the faith a “definite plausibly vague.

    I try to note yet anothings.

    By “major media was that they mean the Cold Case Posse press could begin hopefully by Sharon Rondeau. It’s all things.

    Carl Gallups, “We will be universaries.1 Yesterday was they would begin happening,”

    In January 2013 we learn about those failures. “Today is a good day to the tunnel, I don’t believe the driver’s seat.”

    We have much to say except to say think about VIP’s, “hope investigation,” and on an article by Sharon Rondeau. It’s all remarkably mid-summer

    while


    O Cold Case Posse shatterialized
    With report Sherification breaking

    sounds like Vogon poetry.

  265. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    March 6, 2014 at 11:15 am  (Quote)

    I doubt many people care, but I solved Hermie’s latest mystery. The file in question included two pages (most likely) scanned on a Xerox, was assembled from several electronic documents in Adobe Acrobat, saved as a PostScript file, and then converted to a PDF in Adobe Distiller with settings to preserve the original images. This strips out the extra Flate encoding and most of the metadata, eliminating those aspects of a Xerox WorkCentre-generated pdf while retaining most of the other characteristics.

  266. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 11:49 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I’m sure you’ve explained this before…..but I wonder how did you get your forgeries into the Hawaii files? And….how about those newspaper birth announcements?

    Just curious.

    You’re wanting to put the cart before the horse. In 1985 Griselda Blanco of the Medellin cartel (assassinated over a year ago) wanted to forge his documents along with Maya’s (Delgado). Research was done in Hawaii. Not hard. Money and motivation would get the records into Hawaii IF THAT’S EVEN TRUE.

    So far, no hard copy has come from Hawaii to the best of my knowledge and the murder of Fuddy does not a birth certificate make. This “cart” was made in 1985. Not 1961 and there is no “Stanley” Anne Dunham. Anne Dunham, yes. Stanley Anne, no. At least, not prior to 1985 presuming there was a legal name change and any ALL records with this name prior to 1985 and possibly beyond are forgeries.

    On my YouTube page you will see a video where I had posted in Godlike Productions a day or so prior to Fuddy’s death stating that it was not up to me to prove that I forged Obama’s documents. But, that it was up to Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi and the Democratic National Party to prove TO US that he was legit. Within two days Fuddy was dead.

    YouTube video title: “Forger Posts “You Prove To Us That He Has A Paper Document” One Day Before Fuddy Death!”

    https://www.youtube.com/user/amendment28now

  267. JPotter says:
    March 6, 2014 at 1:16 pm  (Quote)

    W. Kevin Vicklund: I doubt many people care, but I solved Hermie’s latest mystery.

    Herm’s noted the file was created using using PDFMaker, which is a plug-in for MS Office. The plug-in does precisely what you have outline here, take the user’s Office doc, and, following any other inputs from the user, fires up Adobe apps to compile the job and ‘print’ to PDF via distiller. Similar to how Acrobat can incoporate other file types through its interface, by launching the app that created those files, and ‘printing’ from those apps back to Acrobat.

    Gosh, reminds me of the days when you had to manually queue files to Distiller. PDF tech just gets better all the time.

    There was a bit of a kerfuffle a few years back, when Office 2013 came out. If your MS apps and your Adobe apps aren’t up to date, they won’t talk to each other anymore, which became a real pain in modern offices, which can be very reliant on PDFs!

    The site Herm’s found his file on had several dozen similarly constructed documents, all following the same general outline, making it very clear that these were routine, assembled, files. The one he pinged on was the only one appearing to have 2 pages scanned in on a Xerox. The pages in question were a self-report, to be completed by a power company and submitted via email to the regulatory agency. In the other files I looked at, the forms were still digital, had not been scanned. In Herms’ chosen file they had been scanned. In some offices, the easiest (laziest) way to convert a file to an e-mail attachment is to print it, and scan to e-mail on the office’s networked MFD … 😉

  268. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:08 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Herm’s noted the file was created using using PDFMaker, which is a plug-in for MS Office. The plug-in does precisely what you have outline here, take the user’s Office doc, and, following any other inputs from the user, fires up Adobe apps to compile the job and ‘print’ to PDF via distiller. Similar to how Acrobat can incoporate other file types through its interface, by launching the app that created those files, and ‘printing’ from those apps back to Acrobat.

    Just clarifying, PDFMaker is also the CreatorTool when you merge non-PDF files directly within Acrobat, so it can be used in Word or in Acrobat. It’s not merely similar, it’s the same.

  269. Dave says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:21 pm  (Quote)

    Further evidence that the birthers have run out of material: BR has devoted a post to a birther letter to the editor printed in the Columbia Daily Herald. I want to stress that I have nothing against this paper — it seems to be a fine local paper (Columbia, TN) that prints the views of its readership, however sensible or, in this case, deranged — but we are talking here about a letter to the editor in a paper with a circulation of about 10,000.

    Note that BR’s headline calls this a “shocker.”

  270. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:29 pm  (Quote)

    Dave: Note that BR’s headline calls this a “shocker.”

    They promote these things – including purchased ads – as though they are work of the newspaper. Pretty lame.

  271. roxy7655 says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:54 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur: The poor thing’s not interested in being believed, she’s interested in getting attention. If you want to criticize her, ignore her.

    Ignore who? (hee hee)

  272. RanTalbott says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm  (Quote)

    Dave: Note that BR’s headline calls this a “shocker.”

    As in “It’s shocking that they couldn’t find better filler to replace the story on the 4H picnic that was cancelled because it was rained out”?

  273. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: You’re wanting to put the cart before the horse.

    No…..just the birth before your supposed forgery.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: So far, no hard copy has come from Hawaii to the best of my knowledge……

    So what was that thing that Savannah Guthrie held in her hands at that White House press briefing a few years ago?

    Did you make that for them also?

  274. JPotter says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm  (Quote)

    W. Kevin Vicklund: Just clarifying, PDFMaker is also the CreatorTool when you merge non-PDF files directly within Acrobat, so it can be used in Word or in Acrobat. It’s not merely similar, it’s the same.

    Good point, thanks for clarifying!

  275. Arthur says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:08 pm  (Quote)

    roxy7655: Ignore who?

    I can’t remember.

  276. justlw says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm  (Quote)

    Trump’s speaking at CPAC right now, doing what a Trump must do — Dave Weigel tweets:

    Trump on Obama’s memoir: “On the cover of the book, it said ‘a young man from Kenya.’” Sure, okay.— daveweigel (@daveweigel) March 6, 2014

  277. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm  (Quote)

    There are requests to the theme company to make changes. When the iPad mini comes home from vacation, I’ll poke around. But for now, it’s the way it is.

    Reality Check: Thanks for looking at it Doc. It sounds like there is no fix on this theme.

  278. Majority Will says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:50 pm  (Quote)

    “You’re wanting to put the cart before the horse.”

    It’s the cartel before the hoarse. ( ~bazinga~ )

  279. Majority Will says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:56 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: No…..just the birth before your supposed forgery.

    So what was that thing that Savannah Guthrie held in her hands at that White House press briefing a few years ago?

    Did you make that for them also?

    It was to the best of her knowledge which is like a knowledge base stored on a Seagate 200mb HD with lots of random bad sectors and comprised of empty space, benign spyware and lots of cheap, useless adware.

  280. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: You’re wanting to put the cart before the horse. In 1985 Griselda Blanco of the Medellin cartel (assassinated over a year ago) wanted to forge his documents along with Maya’s (Delgado). Research was done in Hawaii. Not hard. Money and motivation would get the records into Hawaii IF THAT’S EVEN TRUE.

    You claimed previously that the birth certificate was created in 1985 so that he could get into college. The problem for you is that he was already in college and graduated Columbia University before 1985. There’s also the issue that you claimed to forge Ann Dunham’s signature on the short form which was also incorrect as the only signature on the short form is the registrar’s. How do you explain the birth announcements from 1961? Or say the documentation supporting Obama’s birth in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4th 1961 as documented in Barack Obama Sr’s immigration records from 1961? Nothing supports your 1985 date I think you’re confusing Obama with the movie Back to the Future.

  281. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:37 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Savannah Guthrie

    It says she “photographed” two certs. That still does not a hard copy make.

  282. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:40 pm  (Quote)

    Guthrie says she felt the raised seal. That a hard copy makes.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It says she “photographed” two certs. That still does not a hard copy make.

  283. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:44 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: You claimed previously that the birth certificate was created in 1985 so that he could get into college.The problem for you is that he was already in college and graduated Columbia University before 1985.There’s also the issue that you claimed to forge Ann Dunham’s signature on the short form which was also incorrect as the only signature on the short form is the registrar’s.How do you explain the birth announcements from 1961?Or say the documentation supporting Obama’s birth in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4th 1961 as documented in Barack Obama Sr’s immigration records from 1961?Nothing supports your 1985 date I think you’re confusing Obama with the movie Back to the Future.

    No, he wasn’t. In 1985 he was living in South Florida. Our politicians are very motivated to keep the secrets of their drug trade. He was picked up by a Chicago lawyer or judge who WOULD be very motivated to forge his history in order to cross out HIS involvement with the Medellin cartel. In 1985 he the Clewiston, Florida mailman was a witness to ALL of the student loan applications and the forged documents. That reminds me, did Orly ever get her FOIA on the mailman or is that still being withheld?

  284. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:46 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Guthrie says she felt the raised seal. That a hard copy makes.

    I felt it, too.

  285. roxy7655 says:
    March 6, 2014 at 5:47 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Guthrie says she felt the raised seal. That a hard copy makes.

    Dim, this one is.

  286. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 6:27 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It says she “photographed” two certs. That still does not a hard copy make.

    She showed it. She talked about feeling the seal…..all live on television.

    She did it in the press briefing room with lots of reporters and technicians around.

    Or……are you saying you had all that faked to provide cover for your forged birth certificate?

  287. JPotter says:
    March 6, 2014 at 6:32 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It says she “photographed” two certs. That still does not a hard copy make.

    Well, she certainly didn’t photograph a computer monitor, so ….. yeah LOL

  288. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 7:11 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Guthrie says she felt the raised seal. That a hard copy makes.

    According to the Fuddy reports out of Hawaii, Fuddy was alledgedly the only one known to have seen the hard copy. So, to the best of my knowledge, there is no hard copy being shown and open for handwriting analysis. Or, is there? If there is, why is there no mention of a handwriting expert having examined this document? It does not jive.

    I’d be more than happy to submit writing samples and blood samples to anyone who asks for it. So far, nobody has and any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out. They can’t rule me out and they can’t press charges as much as they may have liked.

    For those who might not get what I’m saying, let’s say a man comes up and confesses to rape. What do you do? Accuse him of being an attention whore? Ignore him? Tell everybody he’s a liar? Hope that he gets executed and then say, “Well, before we knew he was actually telling us the truth, he was murdered” shrug it off and say, “Oh, well. Too late to do anything about it now.”

    Or, do you get a cotton swab of his mouth to rule him out as a suspect? You do what you have to do to prove or disprove his claims. Afterall, it is about proof, right?

    The so called authorities might try to say, “We’re just trying to keep her alive” which would be a bald-faced lie considering they’re tried to kill me on numerous occassions.

    It’s not hard to connect the dots, This is all about the cocaine drug trade and the trail of blood left in its wake. Most notably, the blood of Adam Walsh which leads right up to the White House itself.

    @I_Am_The_Forger

  290. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 7:16 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: She showed it. She talked about feeling the seal…..all live on television.

    She did it in the press briefing room with lots of reporters and technicians around.

    Or……are you saying you had all that faked to provide cover for your forged birth certificate?

    And yet, no mention of a handwriting analysis. Strange, wouldn’t you agree given all of the controversy? A PDF expert, yes. A handwriting expert, no.

    Why cut out the handwriting expert and the hard copy? Are they afraid of the forger disclosing things they don’t want disclosed?

  291. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 7:33 pm  (Quote)

    JPotter: Well, she certainly didn’t photograph a computer monitor, so ….. yeah LOL

    A photograph? What’s a handwriting expert going to do with a photograph?

    Nothing….so yeah LOL

  292. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 6, 2014 at 8:38 pm  (Quote)

    That is not true. Fuddy, Onaka and Fukino all reported seeing the original.

    http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

    Nancy Ruth Owens: According to the Fuddy reports out of Hawaii, Fuddy was alledgedly the only one known to have seen the hard copy.

  293. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And yet, no mention of a handwriting analysis. Strange, wouldn’t you agree given all of the controversy? A PDF expert, yes. A handwriting expert, no.

    There was no “PDF expert” and there is nothing a real handwriting expert could determine from a photocopy of the original….which is really all the certified document is…..a photocopy on security paper.

  294. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:04 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: A photograph? What’s a handwriting expert going to do with a photograph?

    Nothing….so yeah LOL

    So…..again….why do we need a handwriting expert if the State of Hawaii has repeatedly certified that the information is accurate?

  295. JPotter says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:09 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: A photograph? What’s a handwriting expert going to do with a photograph?

    You seem to be having trouble following a multilinear conversation … on a site that conveniently links each reply back to the comment replied to LOL

    roxy7655: Dim, this one is.

    Quite so, quite so. Your reputation for inerrancy is continually enhanced!

  296. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:14 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I felt it, too.

    When? Where?

  297. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 10:08 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That is not true. Fuddy, Onaka and Fukino all reported seeing the original.

    http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

    They’re all forgeries and I know this for a fact so what Fuddy (deceased treasonist), Onaka (treason), and Fukino (treason) say has no relevance to me.

  298. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 10:25 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: So…..again….why do we need a handwriting expert if the State of Hawaii has repeatedly certified that the information is accurate?

    It’s being contested according to Zullo and Arpaio. Nobody has to take Hawaii’s word for it, obviously. It’s up to them to produce the PAPER document for handwriting analysis. But, I don’t hear anybody calling for handwriting analysis, do you? Not exactly a thorough investigation by any stretch of the imagination, is it?

  299. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 6, 2014 at 10:27 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: When? Where?

    1985, Montura Ranch Estates, Clewiston, Florida, Hendry County.

  300. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 11:52 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: 1985, Montura Ranch Estates, Clewiston, Florida, Hendry County.

    What address?

    Which certificate?

  301. CarlOrcas says:
    March 6, 2014 at 11:55 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It’s being contested according to Zullo and Arpaio. Nobody has to take Hawaii’s word for it, obviously.

    No one has done anything official to contest the validity of the record and, of course, we do have to take Hawaii’s word for it. That’s how our Constitution and the law works.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: But, I don’t hear anybody calling for handwriting analysis, do you? Not exactly a thorough investigation by any stretch of the imagination, is it?

    There is no investigation.

  302. John Reilly says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:47 am  (Quote)

    We don’t have an expert opinion from a proctologist, either. What’s your point, Nancy? The State of Hawaii can’t forge it’s own documents.

    Only a very sick and mentally deranged person would hijack the murder of Adam Walsh for his or her own sick purposes. You are despicable.

  303. BillTheCat says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:57 am  (Quote)

    Well, I see what you mean about giving this dim bulb attention, yeesh.

  304. Lupin says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:13 am  (Quote)

    Judged by the catalog of insanities she’s been expounding, I’m actually astounded that Nancy can function in ordinary life. Or does she? I don’t know. But I confess a twinge of curiosity about how she copes with banks, insurance companies, taxes, etc. anything that requires a modicum of intelligence.

    When I was appointed my elderly parents’ legal guardian it took me a good three to five months to clear up the mess that their mental disabilities had created in the space of three years. So I know one can function on “automatic pilot” (as it were) for quite a while.

  305. The Magic M says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:11 am  (Quote)

    Lupin: But I confess a twinge of curiosity about how she copes with banks, insurance companies, taxes, etc. anything that requires a modicum of intelligence.

    From my experience with cranks on the verge of mental illness, it seems many of them function quite well because they always focus their derangement on a specific issue.
    For example I know somebody (not personally, though) who keeps posting about his fight with the courts in a single issue all over the place (basically his company went broke and, unwilling to accept it, he started a vendetta against the judge who decided he was bankrupt, accusing him of forgery etc.), yet seems to get along fine with “the system” in all other aspects of his life.

    The crazy does not manifest itself everywhere, just in selected fields. Seeing how these people juggle lots of information (albeit the wrong way) shows they are not helpless.
    (As a contrast, my late mother would never have been able to deal with complex paperwork, should my father have died before her. She wasn’t crazy, she was just limited in her abilities and had zero experience with issues like insurance or Social Security. My father OTOH still has no problem handling his paperwork despite being 90 years old.)

  306. The Magic M says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:16 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: They’re all forgeries and I know this for a fact

    It’s kinda hard to argue if you start with the conclusion and fit the facts to reach it…

    Nancy Ruth Owens: what Fuddy (deceased treasonist), Onaka (treason), and Fukino (treason) say has no relevance to me

    That’s the old nutjob game. They say “bring me proof” and when you do, they go “not a credible source”.

    I actually tried that game two weeks ago on Breitbart. I asked that one RWNJ 10 times what source he would consider “credible” but he refused to answer my question and kept parroting “show me proof” after having denounced the sources I gave him as “not credible”.

    Nancy, that’s like saying I know for a fact you killed my neighbour yesterday and all your witnesses who say you were in the US are liars, therefore I win and you’re a murderer. Get it now?

  307. Lupin says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:44 am  (Quote)

    The Magic M: From my experience with cranks on the verge of mental illness, it seems many of them function quite well because they always focus their derangement on a specific issue.

    You’re quite right, I suppose. Thank Odin I haven’t had to deal with people like that in my professional life (other than the odd fan letter from inmates), as opposed to people who have real clinical cognitive impairments.

    A long time ago I briefly belonged to Mensa and there were folks there with unarguably high IQ who were clearly deranged in some of their beliefs, so obviously the two don’t go together.

    After all the so-called Church of Scientology still manages to attract recruits based on third-rate pulp sci-fi concepts.

  308. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:27 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: No, he wasn’t. In 1985 he was living in South Florida. Our politicians are very motivated to keep the secrets of their drug trade. He was picked up by a Chicago lawyer or judge who WOULD be very motivated to forge his history in order to cross out HIS involvement with the Medellin cartel. In 1985 he the Clewiston, Florida mailman was a witness to ALL of the student loan applications and the forged documents. That reminds me, did Orly ever get her FOIA on the mailman or is that still being withheld?

    No he wasn’t living in south florida. Not everything happens in your population 7000 town. There is nothing placing him in Florida at anytime during 1985. Which “lawyer” or “judge” picked him up? It’s funny how you’re always light on details. Why would a mailman be witness to student loan applications in sealed envelopes? He wasn’t sending out Student loan applications in 1985 as he had already graduated from Columbia a few years earlier and didn’t start harvard until 1988.

    I notice you skipped over the lies I caught you on.

  309. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:30 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: According to the Fuddy reports out of Hawaii, Fuddy was alledgedly the only one known to have seen the hard copy. So, to the best of my knowledge, there is no hard copy being shown and open for handwriting analysis. Or, is there? If there is, why is there no mention of a handwriting expert having examined this document? It does not jive.

    Except you know her predecessor Dr Fukino who examined the vault copy multiple times. So you lied again.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I’d be more than happy to submit writing samples and blood samples to anyone who asks for it. So far, nobody has and any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out. They can’t rule me out and they can’t press charges as much as they may have liked.

    You already lied and claimed your signed Ann Dunham’s name on the short form. This is a lie as only the registrar’s signature is on the short form.

  310. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:32 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens (crazy): They’re all forgeries and I know this for a fact so what Fuddy (deceased treasonist), Onaka (treason), and Fukino (treason) say has no relevance to me.

    So again you have nothing to prove any of your claims?

  311. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:34 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It’s being contested according to Zullo and Arpaio. Nobody has to take Hawaii’s word for it, obviously. It’s up to them to produce the PAPER document for handwriting analysis. But, I don’t hear anybody calling for handwriting analysis, do you? Not exactly a thorough investigation by any stretch of the imagination, is it?

    Ummm no claims by birthers on the internet do not equal a valid contest of the document. The onus is not on the department of health to produce anything for conspiracy theorists. The onus is on the ones making the accusations to prove their claims. Thus far you and Zullo have failed miserably to prove a single one of your claims.

  312. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:35 am  (Quote)

    Lupin:
    Judged by the catalog of insanities she’s been expounding, I’m actually astounded that Nancy can function in ordinary life. Or does she? I don’t know. But I confess a twinge of curiosity about how she copes with banks, insurance companies, taxes, etc. anything that requires a modicum of intelligence.

    When I was appointed my elderly parents’ legal guardian it took me a good three to five months to clear up the mess that their mental disabilities had created in the space of three years. So I know one can function on “automatic pilot” (as it were) for quite a while.

    She doesn’t seem to function normally. I’ve seen her pop up randomly on facebook groups, twitter, random websites. She spends most of her day posting the same crap to various websites.

  314. The Magic M says:
    March 7, 2014 at 9:07 am  (Quote)

    Lupin: A long time ago I briefly belonged to Mensa and there were folks there with unarguably high IQ who were clearly deranged in some of their beliefs

    Any sufficiently high intelligence may be indistinguishable from insanity. 😉
    (I hardly ever socialize with the other Mensa peeps, I’m only in because my crush was.)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: She spends most of her day posting the same crap to various websites.

    Reminds me of the fella I once followed on Twitter who posted the same 5 political statements 500 times a day (to reach his ~2000 followers plus most media outlets), every day. Unless he had some kind of automation tool, that must be one hell of a non-life. Sad, in a way, but then again I don’t tend to pity hateful people.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out

    No, no “good” investigator wastes time questioning any random nut who “confesses” stuff on the interwebs.
    If not even the bad investigators such as Zullo take you seriously, that oughta tell you something.
    Heck, even the crazy “I was such good friends with Obama but I disliked him yet I saw him do cocaine and have gay sex although I kept away from him” girl gets more attention in Birtherstan than you. That must sting.

  315. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm  (Quote)

    John Reilly:
    We don’t have an expert opinion from a proctologist, either.What’s your point, Nancy?The State of Hawaii can’t forge it’s own documents.

    Only a very sick and mentally deranged person would hijack the murder of Adam Walsh for his or her own sick purposes.You are despicable.

    And, yet, after six months and counting no one has challenged me on it. Not an everyday occurrence, wouldn’t you agree? Sick? Or, the truth? This is the ultimate conspiracy, folks. And, it goes on and on and on……

    http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com

  316. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:14 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin:
    Judged by the catalog of insanities she’s been expounding, I’m actually astounded that Nancy can function in ordinary life. Or does she? I don’t know. But I confess a twinge of curiosity about how she copes with banks, insurance companies, taxes, etc. anything that requires a modicum of intelligence.

    When I was appointed my elderly parents’ legal guardian it took me a good three to five months to clear up the mess that their mental disabilities had created in the space of three years. So I know one can function on “automatic pilot” (as it were) for quite a while.

    When people have nothing else to support their argument, they resort to the “She’s crazy” button. God forbid if you should look at the truth. Obama’s cartel and part of the Hispanic New World Order and I’ve been saying this for almost a year now. Within a week, Putin has reclaimed former Russian territories while we Americans twiddle our thumbs trying to figure out what’s really going on. It’s right there in your face. If you chose not to see it, so be it. You’ll see it within the next two decades. Perhaps, sooner. Then the Adam Walsh, Tiffany Sessions, Jimmy Hoffa, Bill Clinton and his “Seal Team did not kill Pablo Escobar” scandals will be nothing but a memory as you watch them toss your loved ones into mosh pits full of Americans just as they’ve done in South Florida for Castro. Maybe even worse. And, if you’re black or a Yankee, you’re no safer than we are so don’t kid yourselves.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  317. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm  (Quote)

    The Magic M: It’s kinda hard to argue if you start with the conclusion and fit the facts to reach it…

    That’s the old nutjob game. They say “bring me proof” and when you do, they go “not a credible source”.

    I actually tried that game two weeks ago on Breitbart. I asked that one RWNJ 10 times what source he would consider “credible” but he refused to answer my question and kept parroting “show me proof” after having denounced the sources I gave him as “not credible”.

    Nancy, that’s like saying I know for a fact you killed my neighbour yesterday and all your witnesses who say you were in the US are liars, therefore I win and you’re a murderer. Get it now?

    LOL. Put the bottle down before you write, please. This has no clarity for me to follow. He who? Show me proof of what? Etc.

  318. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:20 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: No he wasn’t living in south florida.Not everything happens in your population 7000 town.There is nothing placing him in Florida at anytime during 1985.Which “lawyer” or “judge” picked him up?It’s funny how you’re always light on details.Why would a mailman be witness to student loan applications in sealed envelopes?He wasn’t sending out Student loan applications in 1985 as he had already graduated from Columbia a few years earlier and didn’t start harvard until 1988.

    I notice you skipped over the lies I caught you on.

    Wow! I guess they were sealed before they were filled out? Is that your argument?

  319. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Except you know her predecessor Dr Fukino who examined the vault copy multiple times.So you lied again.

    You already lied and claimed your signed Ann Dunham’s name on the short form.This is a lie as only the registrar’s signature is on the short form.

    And, I am saying that your Dr. Fukino (treason) is a liar with no credibility. Much like Bill Clinton and/or Richard Nixon are liars with no credibility. I was referring to the long form and did not understand why RC and his cohorts had no interest in finding out the truth considering the consequences. Crimea, Ukraine, gone while we waste time with clowns like RC and Foggy. I do believe RC and Foggy will be serving out the rest of their lives in a Federal prison before too long. So, I’ll bide my time patiently until then. :0)

  320. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Ummm no claims by birthers on the internet do not equal a valid contest of the document.The onus is not on the department of health to produce anything for conspiracy theorists.The onus is on the ones making the accusations to prove their claims.Thus far you and Zullo have failed miserably to prove a single one of your claims.

    Is there a paper copy of Obama/Allen’s birth certificate? I don’t think a handwriting expert can be brought in on a PDF file. My website has been up for six months. I do believe that in light of the fact that it has gone unchallenged, it constitutes some small degree of proof, don’t you? It would be an act of treason otherwise and the FBI would certainly be able to press charges. As it is, and I HAVE proven this failure to investigate, they don’t even want to talk about it.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  321. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:36 pm  (Quote)

    The Magic M: Nancy Ruth Owens: any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out

    I repeat: Any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out.

  322. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm  (Quote)

    Bovril:
    For those who love themselves some BitterDelusional Extra-Krunchy-Nutbag, the two current Threads O’Insane are…….

    (links)

    Thanks! Bovril. Spending time watching the crazy cranks as FR is one of my favorite hobbies. I would have missed this if you had not not posted it. LMAO!

  323. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:47 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It’s being contested according to Zullo and Arpaio.

    Please tell me what jurisdiction my Maricopa County Sheriff has to an investigation of a FEDERAL official, and especially to a president? My Maricopa County Sheriff was elected by Maricopa County voters, NOT the entire American electorate. HE HAS NO JURISDICTION!

  324. J.D. Sue says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:48 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out.

    —
    Have you tried Doug Vogt?

  325. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 12:59 pm  (Quote)

    Nope.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: My website has been up for six months. I do believe that in light of the fact that it has gone unchallenged, it constitutes some small degree of proof, don’t you?

  326. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And, yet, after six months and counting no one has challenged me on it. Not an everyday occurrence, wouldn’t you agree? Sick? Or, the truth? This is the ultimate conspiracy, folks. And, it goes on and on and on……

    http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com

    What’s to challenge? It’s all made up, all in your imagination. There is no there there. Kinda like your website…..”under construction”.

  327. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:19 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: What’s to challenge? It’s all made up, all in your imagination. There is no there there. Kinda like your website…..”under construction”.

    The only challenge I can see is trying to figure out how she manages to stay out of a mental institution.

  328. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:22 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Is there a paper copy of Obama/Allen’s birth certificate?

    Yes.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I do believe that in light of the fact that it has gone unchallenged, it constitutes some small degree of proof, don’t you?

    No.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: It would be an act of treason otherwise and the FBI would certainly be able to press charges.

    The FBI doesn’t decide when to file or press charges.

  329. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:26 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: The only challenge I can see is trying to figure out how she manages to stay out of a mental institution.

    Assuming this isn’t just an act (and I’m inclined to think it isn’t) I’d say that’s a good question.

  330. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Please tell me what jurisdiction my Maricopa County Sheriff has to an investigation of a FEDERAL official, and especially to a president? My Maricopa County Sheriff was elected by Maricopa County voters, NOT the entire American electorate. HE HAS NO JURISDICTION!

    J.D. Sue: —
    Have you tried Doug Vogt?

    J.D. Sue: —
    Have you tried Doug Vogt?

    J.D. Sue: —
    Have you tried Doug Vogt?

    Yup. He’s only interested in the PDF. Not the actual forger. As for the MCCCP, I think what they’re doing or not doing is a mystery to us all.

  331. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I repeat:Any good investigator would at least ask questions to rule a self-confessed forger out.

    If investigators wasted their time questioning every nutbar with a crazy story they’d never get any work done. That’s why you haven’t and never will hear from any “good” investigator.

  332. RanTalbott says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Please tell me what jurisdiction my Maricopa County Sheriff has to an investigation of a FEDERAL official, and especially to a president?

    If the docs were fake, Obama would be in violation of AZ election laws.

    Of course, the admission by Gallups that it’s always been about lobbying Congress from the very beginning renders the jurisdiction question moot.

  333. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:36 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And, yet, after six months and counting no one has challenged me on it. Not an everyday occurrence, wouldn’t you agree? Sick? Or, the truth? This is the ultimate conspiracy, folks. And, it goes on and on and on……http://www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com

    We’ve challenged you repeatedly on your claims crazy lady.

  334. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:37 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: When people have nothing else to support their argument, they resort to the “She’s crazy” button

    But Nancy you’ve never supported any of your arguments what’s your excuse?

  335. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Wow! I guess they were sealed before they were filled out? Is that your argument?

    WTF are you talking about? How exactly would the mailman have access to student loan information that was filled out unless he opened the sealed envelope after they were filled out. Is your argument that the (nonexistent) mailman committed mail fraud?

  336. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:41 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: If the docs were fake, Obama would be in violation of AZ election laws.

    Of course, the admission by Gallups that it’s always been about lobbying Congress from the very beginning renders the jurisdiction question moot.

    Our Secretary of State has already gone on record stating the Birth Certificate is valid: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/05/obama-arizona-ballot-birth-certificate/1#.UxoSaj9dXp8 and has even apologized for any embarrassment he caused to our state in seeking verification: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/23/news/la-pn-arizona-obama-birth-verification-20120523

    And what Congress is going to render this judgment on our sitting president? LOL

  337. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:41 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And, I am saying that your Dr. Fukino (treason) is a liar with no credibility. Much like Bill Clinton and/or Richard Nixon are liars with no credibility. I was referring to the long form and did not understand why RC and his cohorts had no interest in finding out the truth considering the consequences. Crimea, Ukraine, gone while we waste time with clowns like RC and Foggy. I do believe RC and Foggy will be serving out the rest of their lives in a Federal prison before too long. So, I’ll bide my time patiently until then. :0)

    Sorry but Dr. Fukino was the custodian of the records. You have provided no proof to show that she was lying or a reason she would lie. You’ve shown yourself to be a habitual liar and every time you’re question on even the most mundane details your story falls apart. How exactly would Bill Clinton have no credibility on certain subjects? I’d say foreign affairs he’d have a lot of credibility being a former President.

    You’re a liar you were referring to the short form when you called RC’s show back then you were claiming you only did the short form and not the long form. Back then you were claiming you signed ann dunham’s name when only the registrar’s signature is on the document. You change your story.

  338. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:44 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: My website has been up for six months. I do believe that in light of the fact that it has gone unchallenged, it constitutes some small degree of proof, don’t you? It would be an act of treason otherwise and the FBI would certainly be able to press charges. As it is, and I HAVE proven this failure to investigate, they don’t even want to talk about it.

    Your website full of false claims has been up 6 months? Wow and you’ve been parroting the same nonsense for years now gotten challenged on it only for you to run away. Your website contains no proof of anything other than claims.

  339. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:45 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Crimea, Ukraine, gone while we waste time with clowns like RC and Foggy.

    Yes, Crimea has been a huge concern of yours for many years now, hasn’t it? LOL

  340. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:03 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: If the docs were fake, Obama would be in violation of AZ election laws.

    What documents are you talking about? The PDF’s of his birth certificates? Something else?

  341. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:05 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Yes, Crimea has been a huge concern of yours for many years now, hasn’t it? LOL

    I’m waiting to hear about her role in the rise of Putin.

  342. BillTheCat says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: When people have nothing else to support their argument, they resort to the “She’s crazy” button.

    We don’t need to resort to anything, you’re just plain nuts. The only reason you feel important is that the internet has given crazy people like you a platform, when previously nut cases like yourself would be relegated to posting fliers in your neighborhood and shouting at the TV.

  343. RanTalbott says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:24 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Our Secretary of State has already gone on record stating the Birth Certificate is valid

    Sure, but, if this actually were a real “official law enforcement investigation”, they would just say that the crime was that he had been fooled.

    bgansel9: And what Congress is going to render this judgment on our sitting president?

    Any Congress would, if there were any truth to it.

    I’m just saying there is no technical legal argument here that would stop them: it’s entirely about their so-called “facts” being wrong.

  344. RanTalbott says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: What documents are you talking about?

    The actual BC and/or the certified copies. The SS registration and other stuff have nothing to do with AZ law.

  345. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: But Nancy you’ve never supported any of your arguments what’s your excuse?

    I have an idea. Why don’t we get the MCCCP to deputize me? That way I would have some authority to investigate myself, right?

  346. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Our Secretary of State has already gone on record stating the Birth Certificate is valid: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/05/obama-arizona-ballot-birth-certificate/1#.UxoSaj9dXp8and has even apologized for any embarrassment he caused to our state in seeking verification: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/23/news/la-pn-arizona-obama-birth-verification-20120523

    And what Congress is going to render this judgment on our sitting president? LOL

    Exactly. They would have to admit that they put a foreign King on the American throne which renders them obsolete (powerless, ridiculed, bankrupcy, prison, etc.) which makes Obama king of fact. They will continue the charade until their dying day despite the overwheming evidence. They will NOT let you find out that they had a very active role in the murder of Adam Walsh and White Genocide in exchange for their cocaine gold paid for with White Blood.

  347. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:45 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Sorry but Dr. Fukino was the custodian of the records.You have provided no proof to show that she was lying or a reason she would lie.You’ve shown yourself to be a habitual liar and every time you’re question on even the most mundane details your story falls apart.How exactly would Bill Clinton have no credibility on certain subjects?I’d say foreign affairs he’d have a lot of credibility being a former President.

    You’re a liar you were referring to the short form when you called RC’s show back then you were claiming you only did the short form and not the long form.Back then you were claiming you signed ann dunham’s name when only the registrar’s signature is on the document.You change your story.

    And, I’m telling you that FUKINO is a LIAR. My address is on my website and he should feel free to file charges of libel against me as soon as possible for tarnishing his reputation. And, please don’t give me that, “She doesn’t have enough money” BS. I have a degree in Journalism and DO understand quite well what libel is.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  348. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm  (Quote)

    If you knew what libel was, and what it takes to win a libel case, then you would know that Fukino (who is a “she” by the way) would have to show that your nonsense damaged her in some way. It hasn’t. No case. And you don’t “file charges” of libel, you file a lawsuit for defamation.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And, I’m telling you that FUKINO is a LIAR. My address is on my website and he should feel free to file charges of libel against me as soon as possible for tarnishing his reputation. And, please don’t give me that, “She doesn’t have enough money” BS. I have a degree in Journalism and DO understand quite well what libel is.

  349. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:00 pm  (Quote)

    Give it a try. Maybe RC will give you Zullo’s phone number.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Why don’t we get the MCCCP to deputize me? That way I would have some authority to investigate myself, right?

  350. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm  (Quote)

    Any day now.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I do believe RC and Foggy will be serving out the rest of their lives in a Federal prison before too long.

  351. Arthur says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:07 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: You’ve shown yourself to be a habitual liar

    I’m not a psychiatrist, but I don’t know if you can call someone a liar if, due to mental confusion, she is incapable of separating reality from delusion.

  352. Arthur says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve heard there’s a crazy lady on this site saying that R.C. and Foggy would soon be locked up in federal prison, and what I want to know is: what about Dr. Conspiracy???? I mean, COME ON! He’s a DOCTOR of — wait for it — CONSPIRACY!!!!

    As a side note, did you know that some retired blogger from South Carolina has been cast as Dr. Conspiracy in the new “Batman” movie? True story.

  353. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:20 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur: I’m not a psychiatrist, but I don’t know if you can call someone a liar if, due to mental confusion, she is incapable of separating reality from delusion.

    Arthur: I’m not a psychiatrist, but I don’t know if you can call someone a liar if, due to mental confusion, she is incapable of separating reality from delusion.

    Another bubblegum psychiatrist. How rare.

  354. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: The actual BC and/or the certified copies.

    OK. If, for the sake of discussion, they were forgeries I can’t think of an Arizona law that would violate. What do you have in mind?

  355. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If you knew what libel was, and what it takes to win a libel case, then you would know that Fukino (who is a “she” by the way) would have to show that your nonsense damaged her in some way. It hasn’t. No case. And you don’t “file charges” of libel, you file a lawsuit for defamation.

    Hmm…. it would have to damage her in some way? Any suggestions on how this could be accomplished?

  356. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:58 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I have an idea. Why don’t we get the MCCCP to deputize me? That way I would have some authority to investigate myself, right?

    I got an idea, why not expose the fact that you’re trying to use my county taxes to run a political HIT job!

  357. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:00 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I have an idea. Why don’t we get the MCCCP to deputize me? That way I would have some authority to investigate myself, right?

    The MCCCP has no power to deputize anyone.

  358. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:01 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Exactly. They would have to admit that they put a foreign King on the American throne which renders them obsolete (powerless, ridiculed, bankrupcy, prison, etc.) which makes Obama king of fact. They will continue the charade until their dying day despite the overwheming evidence. They will NOT let you find out that they had a very active role in the murder of Adam Walsh and White Genocide in exchange for their cocaine gold paid for with White Blood.

    See your psychiatrist immediately. You’re in danger of harming yourself.

  359. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:01 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Exactly. They would have to admit that they put a foreign King on the American throne which renders them obsolete (powerless, ridiculed, bankrupcy, prison, etc.) which makes Obama king of fact. They will continue the charade until their dying day despite the overwheming evidence. They will NOT let you find out that they had a very active role in the murder of Adam Walsh and White Genocide in exchange for their cocaine gold paid for with White Blood.

    Not foreign and we don’t have kings or thrones in America. Perhaps you’re confused as usual?

  360. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: And, I’m telling you that FUKINO is a LIAR. My address is on my website and he should feel free to file charges of libel against me as soon as possible for tarnishing his reputation. And, please don’t give me that, “She doesn’t have enough money” BS. I have a degree in Journalism and DO understand quite well what libel is.

    Your word holds no weight nancy. Again you have provided no reason why you believe she’s lying or what the motive would be. Why would one file a claim against someone who they can’t collect from. No you don’t have a degree in “Journalism”

  361. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:05 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I’m waiting to hear about her role in the rise of Putin

    Oh, I’m sure she had something to do with Chairman Mao being able to feed his people too! She obviously harvested all the crops all by herself! What would China have done without her?

  362. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:07 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: I got an idea, why not expose the fact that you’re trying to use my county taxes to run a political HIT job!

    LOL. Huh? What are you talking about?

  363. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: I’m waiting to hear about her role in the rise of Putin.

    Russia, unlike the USA, is doing quite well on its own. We, on the other hand, sing the praises of a false idol by the name of Ronald Reagan.

  364. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Not foreign and we don’t have kings or thrones in America.Perhaps you’re confused as usual?

    YOU ARE SO CLUELESS. We do, in fact, have a King on the American throne. It’s either that or the CIA has deliberately deceived this nation by not sharing the truth with the American people. Either way, not good.

  365. RanTalbott says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:14 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: If, for the sake of discussion, they were forgeries I can’t think of an Arizona law that would violate

    Depending on whether it was covering up ineligibility, it might make his ballot signup a violation of AZ law. I don’t think there are other possibilities, but ianal.

    Sorry, but things are getting too busy at work, and I have to bow out for now.

  366. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Depending on whether it was covering up ineligibility, it might make his ballot signup a violation of AZ law. I don’t think there are other possibilities, but ianal.

    So what you are saying is that SoS Bennett didn’t do his homework enough to feel confident that he was acting according to law? There was a question of Obama’s eligibility and he satisfied that question by contacting the State of Hawaii. By suggesting that the answer he received was not lawful, you are suggesting that Hawaii officials could have conspired to hide Obama’s identity? Really? Please tell me you are smarter than that.

  367. Dave B. says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm  (Quote)

    I came across this bit of comedy gold today:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121126163642AAC3fQh
    The devil is in the details.

  369. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm  (Quote)

    Yes, I am aware of the story, but I have decided as least for now not to write an article because I don’t have anything to add.

    I wrote an earlier article noting the Feds dropping the investigation:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/feds-drop-criminal-investigation-of-joe-arpaio/

    that has a link to a US News and World Report article on it.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I know you’re aware of this, Doc. What is the background story?

  370. Crustacean says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:48 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: White Genocide

    Didn’t their lead guitarist die recently? Complications from gastric bypass surgery, I think. He just couldn’t stay off the mayonnaise.

  371. Dave B. says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:53 pm  (Quote)

    Stephen Tonchen’s at it, hammer and tongs:

    http://people.mags.net/tonchen/BenefitingFromObamasIneligibility.htm

    “March 3, 2014

    Copyright (c) 2013-2014, Stephen Tonchen

    This article is intended for persons who are facing prosecution, fine, incarceration, capital punishment, deportation, loss of franchise, loss of revenue, loss of business opportunity, or other injury in fact, as a direct result of (a) a law that President Obama has signed, or (b) an offical action or decision by the President or one of his appointees.

    If you are such a person, you may have standing to pursue a collateral attack against the injury-causing law, action or decision, on grounds that Barack Obama does not meet the presidential “natural born citizen” eligibility requirement specified in the U.S. Constitution,”

  372. Arthur says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:57 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: See your psychiatrist immediately. You’re in danger of harming yourself.

    What about me? I’m dying of laughter from the comments on this thread.

  373. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:00 pm  (Quote)

    Actually Arizona may be the one state where a charge could be leveled against Obama for ineligibility. In this 2007 Arizona document, Barack Obama swore that he was a natural born citizen:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf

    RanTalbott: Depending on whether it was covering up ineligibility, it might make his ballot signup a violation of AZ law. I don’t think there are other possibilities, but ianal.

  374. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm  (Quote)

    King’s don’t have term limits.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: We do, in fact, have a King on the American throne.

  375. Keith says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:10 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin: Judged by the catalog of insanities she’s been expounding, I’m actually astounded that Nancy can function in ordinary life.

    He is a performance artist. Probably a fan of alternate history fiction.

  376. Keith says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:24 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Oh, I’m sure she had something to do with Chairman Mao being able to feed his people too! She obviously harvested all the crops all by herself! What would China have done without her?

    Probably the same thing they did ‘with’ him. Starve.

  377. Majority Will says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm  (Quote)

    “Huh? What are you talking about?”

    Massive irony meter explosion.

    This is the most cogent post yet (possibly ever) by the lonely troll. Impressive.

  378. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:08 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Actually Arizona may be the one state where a charge could be leveled against Obama for ineligibility.

    In this case we were talking about the birth certificates and the charge if they were forgeries. As I recall (from your stuff here) no birth certificates were submitted to any state, right?

    As far as the nomination form is concerned you might have false swearing, or something like that, if he were found ineligible at this point. That, of course, would be the least of his problems in that eventuality, wouldn’t it?

  379. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: LOL. Huh? What are you talking about?

    You want to be Deputized? That’s a county position, it involves taxpayer funding. You want to use my county’s taxes to run a political hit job on the president? Out of the question!

  380. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:16 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Depending on whether it was covering up ineligibility, it might make his ballot signup a violation of AZ law. I don’t think there are other possibilities, but ianal.

    The only thing submitted in Arizona (as Doc noted) was a statement of candidacy in which he certified he met the requirements.

    I don’t believe either of his birth certificates was submitted to any state.

    And, of course, Hawaii certified to Arizona that Obama’s birth records were in order and he was, in fact, born in the state.

  381. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: YOU ARE SO CLUELESS. We do, in fact, have a King on the American throne. It’s either that or the CIA has deliberately deceived this nation by not sharing the truth with the American people. Either way, not good.

    Sorry, you’re the one who is clueless. Go talk to a professional psychiatrist. You need serious psychological help.

  382. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Actually Arizona may be the one state where a charge could be leveled against Obama for ineligibility. In this 2007 Arizona document, Barack Obama swore that he was a natural born citizen

    Well, perhaps SCOTUS will have to smack this down after all.

  383. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: So what you are saying is that SoS Bennett didn’t do his homework enough to feel confident that he was acting according to law? There was a question of Obama’s eligibility and he satisfied that question by contacting the State of Hawaii. By suggesting that the answer he received was not lawful, you are suggesting that Hawaii officials could have conspired to hide Obama’s identity? Really? Please tell me you are smarter than that.

    What really happened is that Bennett dug himself a deep hole when he started shooting off his mouth about keeping Obama off the ballot and the State of Hawaii was kind enough to throw him a rope.

  384. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:30 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes, I am aware of the story, but I have decided as least for now not to write an article because I don’t have anything to add.

    I wrote an earlier article noting the Feds dropping the investigation:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/feds-drop-criminal-investigation-of-joe-arpaio/

    that has a link to a US News and World Report article on it.

    You should update it to show much much these political games are costing our county: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140127maricopa-county-arpaio-costs-tallied.html

  385. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:31 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: What really happened is that Bennett dug himself a deep hole when he started shooting off his mouth about keeping Obama off the ballot and the State of Hawaii was kind enough to throw him a rope.

    Yes, I can agree with that, but, he put the full backing of his office behind this.

  386. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:35 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: We, on the other hand, sing the praises of a false idol by the name of Ronald Reagan

    Well, okay, a stopped clock can be right twice a day. This is the first thing I’ve read from today that makes any sense at all.

  387. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Russia, unlike the USA, is doing quite well on its own. We, on the other hand, sing the praises of a false idol by the name of Ronald Reagan.

    Hmm. I think you’re onto something: Both Putin and Reagan liked to ride horses. I don’t find any pictures of Reagan bare chested on a horse but I do find a few of him in the surf or working as a lifeguard. Reagan was 41 when Putin was born. Where was Reagan in 1952. I think you need to get on this right away.

  388. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:41 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Yes, I can agree with that, but, he put the full backing of his office behind this.

    He dropped the whole thing like a hot rock (in Arizona) about two nanoseconds after the letter from Hawaii arrived in his office.

  389. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm  (Quote)

    I had it pegged at $55 million.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/12/maricopa-county-to-pay-3-75-million-for-false-arrests/

    bgansel9: You should update it to show much much these political games are costing our

  390. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: He dropped the whole thing like a hot rock (in Arizona) about two nanoseconds after the letter from Hawaii arrived in his office

    And put the full backing of his office behind the fact that Obama is eligible.

  391. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:59 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: I had it pegged at $55 million.

    You may be right once all the dust settles.

  392. CarlOrcas says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: And put the full backing of his office behind the fact that Obama is eligible.

    Ah! Sorry. I misunderstood and thought you were talking about full backing BEFORE, not after Hawaii helped him out.

  393. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm  (Quote)

    Oh Doc, I should add, I used to be a private investigator, and if anyone has a Pacer account, they can log in and look up Arpaio on the Arizona District Court site and find a gazillion lawsuits against Arpaio. I used to research federal records and came up against his name constantly.

  394. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:10 pm  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: Ah! Sorry. I misunderstood and thought you were talking about full backing BEFORE, not after Hawaii helped him out.

    We were saying the same thing Carl. LOL

  395. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:15 pm  (Quote)

    Been there. Done that. You can search cases at dockets.justia.com without a PACER account, at least to see the list.

    bgansel9: and if anyone has a Pacer account, they can log in and look up Arpaio on the Arizona District Court site and find a gazillion lawsuits against Arpaio.

  396. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:19 pm  (Quote)

    I did not know that. Thanks!

  397. Northland10 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:30 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9:
    Oh Doc, I should add, I used to be a private investigator, and if anyone has a Pacer account, they can log in and look up Arpaio on the Arizona District Court site and find a gazillion lawsuits against Arpaio. I used to research federal records and came up against his name constantly.

    I think I may pass on that. The quarterly bill would be huge.

  398. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 8:34 pm  (Quote)

    Northland10: I think I may pass on that. The quarterly bill would be huge.

    True, my employer paid it when I was using it. My job was to research federal criminal cases. I would say about half of the subjects I was researching had sued Arpaio.

  399. RanTalbott says:
    March 7, 2014 at 9:19 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: So what you are saying is that SoS Bennett didn’t do his homework enough to feel confident that he was acting according to law?

    No.

    bgansel9: By suggesting that the answer he received was not lawful

    I suggested nothing of the sort.

    What I said was that, since it’s not literally impossible for their wacky conspiracy theory to be true and, if true, it would violate AZ law, you can’t legally tell them they have no jurisdiction. All you can tell them is that their theory is ridiculous, and that they’re either stupid for believing that what they’ve presented constitutes proof, or dishonest for claiming it’s proof when they know it’s not.

    Initially, I leaned toward the former, but now I’m convinced of the latter, and I don’t hesitate to say that Zullo is, literally and legally, a con man.

  400. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 7, 2014 at 10:07 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Sorry but Dr. Fukino was the custodian of the records.You have provided no proof to show that she was lying or a reason she would lie.You’ve shown yourself to be a habitual liar and every time you’re question on even the most mundane details your story falls apart.How exactly would Bill Clinton have no credibility on certain subjects?I’d say foreign affairs he’d have a lot of credibility being a former President.

    You’re a liar you were referring to the short form when you called RC’s show back then you were claiming you only did the short form and not the long form.Back then you were claiming you signed ann dunham’s name when only the registrar’s signature is on the document.You change your story.

    I called RC’s show only one time and realized that RC and Co were traitors to our country. Not worth a second phone call and I am telling the truth.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  401. bgansel9 says:
    March 7, 2014 at 10:37 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: you can’t legally tell them they have no jurisdiction

    A county sheriff has no right to get involved in a presidential eligibility matter. It is not a county or even state matter, it’s federal.

    RanTalbott: Initially, I leaned toward the former, but now I’m convinced of the latter, and I don’t hesitate to say that Zullo is, literally and legally, a con man

    Well, I most certainly agree with that.

  402. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 8, 2014 at 12:58 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: YOU ARE SO CLUELESS. We do, in fact, have a King on the American throne. It’s either that or the CIA has deliberately deceived this nation by not sharing the truth with the American people. Either way, not good.

    Do you stare into a mirror as you write these things? The only one clueless here is you. We don’t have a king or an American throne. Time for you to go back and retake civics.

  403. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    March 8, 2014 at 1:02 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I called RC’s show only one time and realized that RC and Co were traitors to our country.Not worth a second phone call and I am telling the truth.

    You called one time where you were quickly destroyed. In several times you came into the chatroom and claimed you only did the short form. You then changed this claim later on saying you did both. Every single time you were lying.

  404. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 8, 2014 at 7:51 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: You called one time where you were quickly destroyed.In several times you came into the chatroom and claimed you only did the short form.You then changed this claim later on saying you did both.Every single time you were lying.

    What do you consider forgery? I honestly don’t know. I definitely forged the short form but, signed the long form. So, did I forge one of the documents? Or, two? Or, three if you count the selective service registration? There were many people involved which is hard to comprehend, I know, since most people want to convince themselves that the forgeries were done by professionals.

    How else would they pass CIA inspection?

    They wouldn’t pass inspection if any inspection were done. So, you have several possible scenarios. One, either no one inspected his credentials. Two, Someone or several someones did and were paid off. Or, three, it was considered by Congress to be a moot point. Beneficial to them to hide their dirty deeds and in no way in step with the intentions of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

    You also have to remember that this is going back almost 34, 35 years ago during a very stressful part of my life in which I served Pablo Escobar which was no Sunday picnic, I can assure you.

    Note the “miraculous” closing of Gainesville’s Tiffany Sessions murder case with a deceased serial killer who oh so conveniently happened to keep a diary detailing the exact date of her murder just as I’m posting in this forum. Amazing how I get things done, eh?

    Adam Walsh, (www.ikidnappedadamwalsh.com) white genocide, Hispanic New World Order and those who know their American history know that Cuba was backed by Russia with nuclear weapons and the money and power of several other world leaders because Pablo was not shy and he shared captured/stolen children, women, boys, etc.

    Two major areas, the Crimea and Ukraine being claimed by Russia again (knock, knock, “Hello! Time to wake up!”) and America to follow very shortly if it hasn’t already.

    I met Hugo Chavez in Clewiston (FL) in the very same house where we forged my brother’s fake birth certificates. Ugly as sin up top. Take those pants down and, to put it quite bluntly, OMG!

    Me, drunk: “Oh, my God, what’s your name. Take me home with you.”

    Hugo: “I live in far away in Venezuela.”

    Me: “I don’t care where you live. I want to go home with you.

    Hugo: “Why would you want to leave with me?”

    Me: “I’ve never seen ……. like yours!”

    Hugo: “But, I have a wife.”

    Me: “That’s Ok, I will kill her.”

    Hugo to me: “We have children.”

    Hugo to Pablo: “Umm…Pablo?”

    Pablo: “Ok, Nani, es enough. Es time for chu to go home.”

    Pablo to Hugo: “Esta loca.”

    I promise you as both a survivor and the number one serial killer having murdered Pablo Escobar (Melbourne, FL 10-2-90) and Carlos Lehder (His island home, early 80’s, body tossed out into the ocean), two of the top ten drug lords according to the internet (present during a third just after Mark Chapman and I shot Pres. Reagan on my 19th birthday, body left in the orange grove just south of Ocala, FL with a single gunshot wound), those birth certificates are the least of our worries.

    Keep laughing.

    Me?

    I’m stocking up on guns, ammo, and supplies, warning the wise and ignoring the idiots.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

  405. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 8, 2014 at 8:18 am  (Quote)

    Please make good on with your promise to ignore the idiots.

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I’m stocking up on guns, ammo, and supplies, warning the wise and ignoring the idiots.

  406. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 8, 2014 at 8:26 am  (Quote)

    I’m not planning an article but I do want to mention that Butterdezillion is continuing on her theme of the Loretta Fuddy murder with some still shots from ABC footage of the passengers in the water provided by Mr. Puentes. The stills that come from the sequence beginning around 3:30 in the Nightline video for just a moment show something that might be imagined to be a scuba diver, but in the whole sequence looks like debris. Certainly if it had been a real diver, there would have been a reaction from the people in the water, which there was not.

    Here’s BZ’s page: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/extras/

    Here’s the Nightline video: http://ondemand.abcnews.com/playback/abcnews/140111_ntl_mayday_1240_700.mp4

    The way I look at these things is to download the video and then single-step with QuickTime (the arrow keys move by one frame).

    Also in the video I found a young man wearing glasses and a pointed wizards hat.

    Harry Potter?

    Harry Potter?

  407. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    March 8, 2014 at 8:37 am  (Quote)

    None that I am aware of.

    CarlOrcas: As I recall (from your stuff here) no birth certificates were submitted to any state, right?

  408. Kate says:
    March 8, 2014 at 9:15 am  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. I forged his short form, signed his long form, and helped create the Selective Service card. The mailman is from Clewiston, Florida. Not Chicago.

    When are you going to explain how you can claim the pic of Barack Obama and his half-sister, Maya Soetoro, is actually you when you have also claimed that you met Barack Obama for the first time when you were both about 14 years old? You even went so far, in another video, as to claim you had sex with him.

    It’s quite obvious there are several years difference between Maya and Barack yet you have acknowledged that you two are approximately the same age. When someone lies as much as you do, it’s impossible to keep all those lies straight. It’s seen in the many discrepancies in just watching a few of your far-fetched videos.

    You’ve avoided this question repeatedly. Are you going to continue to do so, proving you are nothing but a liar who is seeking attention?

  409. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 8, 2014 at 10:49 am  (Quote)

    Kate: When are you going to explain how you can claim the pic of Barack Obama and his half-sister, Maya Soetoro, is actually you when you have also claimed that you met Barack Obama for the first time when you were both about 14 years old? You even went so far, in another video, as to claim you had sex with him.

    It’s quite obvious there are several years difference between Maya and Barack yet you have acknowledged that you two are approximately the same age.When someone lies as much as you do, it’s impossible to keep all those lies straight.It’s seen in the many discrepancies in just watching a few of your far-fetched videos.

    You’ve avoided this question repeatedly.Are you going to continue to do so, proving you are nothing but a liar who is seeking attention?

    Allen and I are the same age. Six months apart. I met him when I was somewhere around 12, 13, or 14. Not any later than this. Just because our so-called government claims that the photo of Maya Delgado does not make it so. This is the same government who claimed that Allen is a legitimate citizen with a white mother and a black father.

    Now, they say they really don’t know.

    That’s me in the photo and it was taken on Ventura Avenue in Clewiston, Florida during a Hawaiian pinata birthday party. Wake up. There is a ton of money in cocaine and these politicians don’t give a you-know-what about you or me.

    Allen’s father is white and still living. His mother, murdered in 1982, is black.

  410. bgansel9 says:
    March 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Allen’s father is white and still living. His mother, murdered in 1982, is black.

    Oh, please, tell us more about how this “Allen” had a mother who was murdered? By whom, where and how did it happen? Got any evidence to back it up? Who was Allen’s father?

    You really need to seek out that psychiatrist I mentioned. One day someone’s going to Baker Act you for all the crazy that you spew.

  411. Kate says:
    March 8, 2014 at 12:24 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Except you know her predecessor Dr Fukino who examined the vault copy multiple times.So you lied again.

    You already lied and claimed your signed Ann Dunham’s name on the short form.This is a lie as only the registrar’s signature is on the short form.

    NRO also claims she’s the one who made the “Stanley mistake” and that is why Ann Dunham’s name was changed. She told ridiculous stories about how she was afraid she would be killed because she made a mistake on the LFBC and that the reason she made the mistake is because she was copying her info from a man’s b.c., whose name was apparently “Stanley”. She doesn’t mention that this would have her making two mistakes on the LFBC, the first one in typing in “Stanley” before using Ann as a middle name and then allegedly forgetting to write Stanley Ann Dunham Obama when signing the LFBC. (Stanley was in parentheses on the LFBC because the real Ann Dunham Obama did not use it on a regular basis. She wasn’t used to signing her name that way. However, the name “Stanley” is on Stanley Ann Dunham’s SS application from a few years before Barack Obama was born. Who took care of the SS application? NRO has never mentioned that before. She’s tried to cover her bases and just keeps adding to her lies. She’s delusional and an attention whore who boasts about killing as casually as if she was talking about going to the grocery store. She refuses to answer those questions that prove she’s a liar.

  412. bgansel9 says:
    March 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm  (Quote)

    Kate: She told ridiculous stories about how she was afraid she would be killed because she made a mistake on the LFBC and that the reason she made the mistake is because she was copying her info from a man’s b.c., whose name was apparently “Stanley”. She doesn’t mention that this would have her making two mistakes on the LFBC, the first one in typing in “Stanley” before using Ann as a middle name and then allegedly forgetting to write Stanley Ann Dunham Obama when signing the LFBC. (Stanley was in parentheses on the LFBC because the real Ann Dunham Obama did not use it on a regular basis. She wasn’t used to signing her name that way.

    Yes, so then all of these people who remember (Stanley) Ann Dunham would be lying, right? – http://www.eastwestcenter.org/news-center/web-articles/spotlight-on-alumni-ewc-alumna-ann-dunham-mother-to-president-obama-and-champion-of-womens-rights-and-e

  413. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 8, 2014 at 12:57 pm  (Quote)

    Kate: NRO also claims she’s the one who made the “Stanley mistake” and that is why Ann Dunham’s name was changed.She told ridiculous stories about how she was afraid she would be killed because she made a mistake on the LFBCand that the reason she made the mistake is because she was copying her info from a man’s b.c., whose name was apparently “Stanley”.She doesn’t mention that this would have her making two mistakes on the LFBC, the first one in typing in “Stanley” before using Ann as a middle name and then allegedly forgetting to write Stanley Ann Dunham Obama when signing the LFBC. (Stanley was in parentheses on the LFBC because the real Ann Dunham Obama did not use it on a regular basis. She wasn’t used to signing her name that way.However, the name “Stanley” is on Stanley Ann Dunham’s SS application from a few years before Barack Obama was born.Who took care of the SS application?NRO has never mentioned that before.She’s tried to cover her bases and just keeps adding to her lies.She’s delusional and an attention whore who boasts about killing as casually as if she was talking about going to the grocery store.She refuses to answer those questions that prove she’s a liar.

    You’re government loves you and will protect you from the bad guys. Now, go back to sleep, little one.

  414. Sef says:
    March 8, 2014 at 1:35 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: And it’s that quality that is going to eventually land her in a mental institution.

    Don’t worry about her. She’s in the “witless protection program”.

  416. Arthur says:
    March 8, 2014 at 2:32 pm  (Quote)

    Yes, no need to worry about ol’ Nancy. She made her money working the first Hooters in Clearwater back in ’83. I used to go in there regularly . . . back then she was known as Bouncing Betty. I introduced her to this Cuban guy, and the rest is history.

  417. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur:
    Yes, no need to worry about ol’ Nancy. She made her money working the first Hooters in Clearwater back in ’83. I used to go in there regularly . . . back then she was known as Bouncing Betty. I introduced her to this Cuban guy, and the rest is history.

    ‘Scuse? You have me confused with god only knows who.

  418. Crustacean says:
    March 8, 2014 at 4:36 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur:
    Yes, no need to worry about ol’ Nancy. She made her money working the first Hooters in Clearwater back in ’83. I used to go in there regularly . . . back then she was known as Bouncing Betty. I introduced her to this Cuban guy, and the rest is history.

    Thanks, Arthur. Now we know whom to blame.

    Nancy: please visit the Wikipedia page for Ann Dunham. See the photo? Now, focus on that face, especially the lower half – the lips, the shape of her jaw. Remind you of anyone?

  419. Nancy Ruth Owens says:
    March 8, 2014 at 5:09 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Yes, so then all of these people who remember (Stanley) Ann Dunham would be lying, right? – http://www.eastwestcenter.org/news-center/web-articles/spotlight-on-alumni-ewc-alumna-ann-dunham-mother-to-president-obama-and-champion-of-womens-rights-and-e

    Her alledged nickname has been shortened to an “s” which indicates NOBODY knew her by the “Stanley” name. They may remember Ann Dunham. Not “Stanley” Ann Dunham. Don’t waste my time with your simple propaganda. And, she’s not his mother.

  420. Kate says:
    March 8, 2014 at 7:42 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: I called RC’s show only one time and realized that RC and Co were traitors to our country.Not worth a second phone call and I am telling the truth.

    http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com

    Nancy Ruth Owens: You’re government loves you and will protect you from the bad guys. Now, go back to sleep, little one.

    In other words, I can’t answer those questions!

    Nancy can’t answer the questions posed so she tries to be funny or condescending. Neither works in this case as she’s just caught in more of her lies. Try to explain the age difference between the little girl in the photo, Maya Soetoro, and her brother, Barack Obama, while claiming it’s really you despite the fact that you have already admitted to being the same age as Obama. Just more of Nancy’s delusions that she refuses to answer. She’ll run away for awhile and then come back, post more of her insane rantings and pretend that these valid, unanswerable questions still exist here.

    You do know what you can do with the “little one” comment, right? If you have any family members, why haven’t they urged you to seek professional help? You’re in desperate need and fortunately for you, it’s covered by Obamacare.

    As for anyone being a traitor, you’re bragging about shooting a former President and helping a well-known criminal execute dozens of people all around the country, what did RC and Foggy do that puts them in the category of treasonous or traitors? They defended our current President from the lunacy you were trying to spread.

  421. Kate says:
    March 8, 2014 at 7:52 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy Ruth Owens: Allen and I are the same age. Six months apart. I met him when I was somewhere around 12, 13, or 14. Not any later than this. Just because our so-called government claims that the photo of Maya Delgado does not make it so. This is the same government who claimed that Allen is a legitimate citizen with a white mother and a black father.

    Now, they say they really don’t know.

    That’s me in the photo and it was taken on Ventura Avenue in Clewiston, Florida during a Hawaiian pinata birthday party. Wake up. There is a ton of money in cocaine and these politicians don’t give a you-know-what about you or me.

    Allen’s father is white and still living. His mother, murdered in 1982, is black.

    Nobody in the gov’t claimed the photo was Maya Soetoro, it was in Barack Obama’s book that he wrote. YOU are the one who claimed it was you yet the little girl in the picture is obviously several years younger than Barack as shown. You can’t explain the discrepancy in ages while claiming to be the same age as him. You just keep getting caught in lie after lie and try to distract the person who’s asking the question by talking about everything but the age discrepancy. Forget it, Nancy, you’re freaking clueless.

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