Support group?
Due to recent incidents of injury sustained by birthers after being thrown under the bus by other birthers, I am concerned that there may be a need for some public support for these victims. The most obvious recent example is the “birther princess” Miki Booth, accused by birther Douglas Vogt as the forger of Obama’s birth certificate (with help from Ah’Nee, Onaka, Fuddy, and me). Vogt has incredibly strong credibility in the birther community based on his impeccable credentials as a self-proclaimed expert and his status as a litigant. Booth is taking her licks from commenters at Birther Report and now responds in a BR article (subsequently scrubbed), calling Vogt “dangerous.”
The clueless Nathan Bickel urges Booth to chill out and not be so unhappy about being accused by Vogt of a felony:
It would seem that Miki Booth would be able to stand aside and be happy that the forgery issue of aka Obama is apparently getting some Supreme Court attention.
What birthers need to realize (and some already have) is that they will have to choose between Douglas Vogt and Mike Zullo. Tensions rise as some birthers become frustrated at the lengthening silence of Mike Zullo, prompting this response to our token birther, Jim Youngblood:
★FALCON★: You’re a loon Jim – telling everyone that the ZeroX 666-7779 must be refuted.
It’s time that the rest of you lying O-Holes come out, proudly. And admit your allegiance. You’re not fooling anyone who has been paying attention to your asinine posts.
Other birthers who didn’t follow the party line have been similarly castigated—like Nancy Owens and Martha Trowbridge. Orly Taitz is pretty much persona non grata outside her own circle of supporters, while she has taken Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio to court to force them to testify, and has been highly critical of delays from the Cold Case Posse. Taitz accuses her own Super PAC of stealing her money in a Mississippi court filing.
BR commenter Marshman2 puts it succinctly:
Next week people will be calling Mike Volin a OBOT. Where does it end. Orly was called a plant. Vogt may have something and he may not. The Zullo release is what I am waiting for. Then for the repubs to take the senate. That’s when the patriots need to surround the White House until congress does something about the Obama fraud.
When I was growing up, some folks said, “Republicans eat their young.” I suppose the same can be said of any doctrinaire group, and especially the birthers.
Follow me!
The conspiracy theory literature characterizes the conspiracy theorist as a loner. In the birther movement we see a number of people who act primarily alone, but then expect others to accept them as leader. Orly Taitz is a great example, and the lone researcher continues to predominate. These folks think that their insights are self-evident and have a problem when everybody doesn’t jump on board.
Will the real forger please stand up?
I have pretty good intelligence that the real creator of Obama’s long-form birth certificate may be attending the anti-birther meetup in Philadelphia. Roxy7655 has volunteered to come up from the DC area to make copies for the group.
Bickel
I laughed when I saw a scathing attack against me from Nathan Bickel at Birther Report, who inflicted the ultimate insult: de-friending me on Facebook. 😯 The irony is that Bickel was never my friend on Facebook in the first place–I never accept birthers as friends on Facebook. He admitted the mistake, but it still was good fun. He did block me on Twitter.
RC Radio
I see that Reality Check Radio has a show scheduled for tonight (Wednesday) to discuss the Vogt forger identifications. I hope to call in as John Doe #8 to answer any questions.
Orly Taitz Super PAC
Reports are that the Orly Taitz Super PAC has one of its “patriotic presentations” scheduled this weekend. It may be in Auburn, California. Watch for a bloom of OTSP bumper stickers next week.
The recent Birther ego feeding frenzy is the funniest thing that I’ve seen in decades. The funniest part is to watch the huge damage that they are self inflicting to their movement. Universe Shattering event? Yes it will happen when the Birther Universe implodes from their own egotistical actions and infighting. It’s like watching a bunch of 5 year olds fighting over who gets to control the Legos.
“…where’s it all end? An interesting ethical question.” Johnny Caspar
I regard “Birther Bits” as the worst breakfast cereal ever.
Dr. C…..
“What birthers need to realize (and some already have) is that they will have to choose between Douglas Vogt and Mike Zullo.”
The silence is deafening from Zullo. Why isn’t Zullo publicly defending Miki Booth? Has he thrown her under the Birther bus with his silence? It would appear so. Miki seems like a dedicated Birther and deserves better from Zullo.
Castigated? On the contrary, Doc…..
This is finally getting interesting and, just as I was ready to take a break from the cospiratorial lies that you people keep pumping into the system hoping no one will find out the real truth behind all of this.
Where’s Waldo?
Oh, wait! *thumbing through a dictionary real fast*
Darn! You knew I’d fall for it!
As the birthers descend deeper and deeper into paranoia, it is worth nothing that November will mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of historian Richard Hofstadters’s famous essay, “The Paranoid Style of American Politics.” Except for the reference to Goldwater, the opening paragraph could have been written today:
American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind.
The entire essay is available online and is well worth reading.
http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
Tastes like cat food and ass, according to that Mikey kid from the Life cereal commercials.
y’know, i can’t help but feel sorry for miki mainly for two reasons.
the first is having a proportion of the very people she was fighting for (however erroniously) turn on her like sharks smelling blood. she’s finally feeling what it means to be falsely accused of something and having her name dragged through the dirt.
can’t help but see the irony there though
the second is the immediate and unanimous defence of her innocence of forgery coming from the obots.
man, that’s REALLY got to sting!
Now with more layers!!
BR is cribbing from Lord of the Flies. I started to feel sorry for those filling the Piggy role, but then I remembered how vile and contemptible they are and got over it.
Birther infighting always reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Tj_l4PcPs
She is so full of it that she is unable to realize your Nr. 2 ……
You know who’s fault it is ….
“I suppose the same can be said of any doctrinaire group, and especially the birthers.”
You can clearly see the same dynamic in any (splintering) group whose thought process emphasizes ideology over reality.
I like part about the 5-year-olds, but my analogy would be 5-year-olds fighting over pretend legos, legos that don’t actually exist.
“Roxy7655 has volunteered to come up from the DC area to make copies for the group.”
Copies? Heck, I can make you all birth certificates knocking ten years off your ages!
I don’t feel sorry for her, or any of the birthers. They get stabbed in the back by their own? Oh well. Let them eat each other.
Meanwhile, FALCON over at BR writes:
“Nice we now have Miki “Forger Queen” Booth and the O-Holes all defending each other. Funny that you’re worried about swearing when you are accused of the biggest forgery in the history of the world? Did that just sink in Miki? ”
FALCON appears to be jealous of all the attention Miki is receiving.
Since we all know that there is no birth certificate forgery and therefore no crime has been committed, I think it’s fair that we all should declare Miki’s innocence.
Suggested overpass signs: Miki is INNOCENT! Miki is NOT a Forger Queen! Miki is a BIRTHER Patriot! FREE Miki! Miki is NOT an O-Hole!
Zullo is Miki’s FRIEND!
Burma Shave.
Birdboy despises every woman in the birther movement and is obsessed with guns, male genitals, and homosexuality . . . I wonder what this all means?
That means he is not homosexual. Never seen a homosexual man who despises women. Just the contrary. There are no better friends for women.
To continue:
I guess FALCON the BIRDBOY saw as a kid the prick of a black man. Since then he is jealous and a racist ….
Can I come if I invoke the “witness protection” clause demanding a clean house with tiled floors, a swimming pool, five bedrooms, and a huge back yard upon my return? *grins*
There are certainly rifts in the diverse group that seeks more evidence from obama. But it’s worth bearing in mind that it’s the president’s immature conduct that licenses all the conspiracy theorizing, and it’s inevitable that differing theories will develop. That’s the sign of a vibrant lively birther discussion.
I find it unusual that doc repeatedly seeks to dismiss any skepticism of the prez by pointing to a single “lie” on the part of any given birther. There are so many lies from the object of his affections… seems like a birther might be justified in calling doc a hypocrite.
it’s bammy’s fault
my screws are loose
that uppity cur
won’t wear my noose
burma shave
If any birther can show how President Obama fails to meet any objective standard set by past presidents (particularly his immediate predecessor), then I would be willing to listen, but given the baseless smears against President Obama that birthers continually utter plus their parroting of the blatant right-wing propaganda coming from FOX News every day, there is no justification to assume that any birther even understands the term “hypocrisy”.
Gimme a break. I have thousands of detailed instances of debunking birthers. I point out huge numbers of lies, see for example http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/debunk/
FIFY
You fail to understand the significance of this particular rift.
Vogt and Irey applied their pseudoscientific techniques to President Obama’s LFBC and then to show their techniques were correct they applied them to Miki Booth’s son’s and Johanna Ah’nee’s LFBCs. And lo and behold they found the same anomalies in the two authentic BCs as in President Obama’s.
Zullo says that Ah’nee is not a suspect. That means the part of his case that uses the Vogt/Irey findings is now even more worthless. I didn’t think that was possible.
What’s going on in Birferdom right now reminds me a lot of what went on in Russia after the revolution once Lenin was in charge. Lots of old stalwarts suddenly disappearing or being turned out. Only gets better.
Birthers are not merely being skeptical of the President. It’s not just his word on the matter that people are taking (though historically it seems to have been sufficient). The state of Hawaii says he was born in Honolulu. Two hundred court cases have rejected various birther arguments. Congress has repeatedly rejected birther demands to investigate this matter. For any birther theory to be true, it has to involve a vast conspiracy of various actors that are either lying or complicit in silence, even though it would in many cases run contrary to their ideological and/or self interest. Birthers allege many different (and often contradictory) iterations of such a conspiracy without even a coherent narrative let alone anything resembling actual evidence for their claims.
Don’t kid yourself that it is just the President’s word that the birthers question.
I suspect that very soon Zullo will have to throw Miki under the bus. He has to preserve the typography part of his case as he has already lost the computer anomaly part.
What will Mike Volin do? Well, he can always play the Selma clip.
A single lie? This site has documented thousands of birther lies. There has never been a justification in birther reasoning.
Actually, it’s a good example of someone still in the closet who can’t accept himself and lashes out against women he can’t have and men who turn him on that he won’t.
Support group? Nah, you meant mental hospital, yes?
Any year now! 😛
Why? At this point the last thing he could or would want to do is give Vogt any credibility or appearance of credibility at all. Vogt is horning in on his grift and attention, and that can’t be tolerated. My suspicion is that he will do what he has done previously with inconvenient truths and interruptions, ignore them and pretend like it never happened. Ironically, at this juncture, he may well be the closest thing to a friend Miki has, not that he’ll come right out and say anything.
So is feces throwing by the monkeys at the zoo.
I was thinking the same thing.
There are thousands of lies that birthers have told. I can name 10 without really thinking about it.
1. That African wasn’t allowed on birth certificates, that the actual term was “African American”. This was debunked multiple times, including the Hawaii Department of Health stating that the field was just whatever the parents would put down. This was further proven when birthers released the Johanna Ah’nee (done same month as Obama was born) birth certificate, which had, and I quote: “Hawn-Caucasian-Chinese” for the race of the mother, and “Hawn-Caucasian-Korean” for the race of the father. Yet, birthers still say that the term “African” should not be on the birth certificate.
2. The certificate numbers. Birthers claim that the birth certificate numbers follow a set pattern, and are set up to follow them by a strict time-of-birth, yet provided no proof of this. This was further debunked when Stig Wadelich’s birth certificate number was shown (which is much higher), Johanna Ah’nee’s birth certificate # (which is much lower) and also Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number (which is much higher). However, birthers still claim this as part of their claim.
3. The race codes. The birthers came out with a claim that Obama’s race on the mark-up was off, and that proved forgery. The only problem is that they were using a mark-up book from 1968, and directly claimed that it was from 1961. When the actual code-book from 1961 came out, the codes lined up perfectly.
4. Forensic credentials. The birthers are relying upon people like Ron Polarik, Techdude, and others who either completely made up their credentials, or people like Doug Vogt, who claim that using a typewriter 20 years ago somehow makes him an expert in Forensic Document Examination. Their one true expert seems to be an handwriting analyst, who submitted a report that they will not allow anybody to see. That seems very suspecious to me. ON the other hand, when Genuine experts have weighed in, they have found nothing wrong with it. Gee, I wonder why.
5. The “grandmother said that he was born in Kenya”. This one they knew was a lie because they actually cut off the tape before Obama’s grandmother actually said, “He was born in Hawaii.” Can’t have the unfortunent truth obstruct them.
6. The Social Security Number. This is the most amusing one. It’s been demonstrated to be a lie many times over, and yet the birthers still hold onto this.
7. The Supreme Court rulings. Birthers have been pushing interpretations of laws that have absolutely no basis in laws. This can be seen in their searching for anything that means anything that can even be remotely be construed as being helpful to them. For instance, it’s them taking a court case that denied women the right to vote, and using that to claim that the Supreme Court ruled that Obama is not eligible, even though at least 5 different courts have told them that no, that case is not the precedent on that.
8. Vattel. Birthers had never heard of Vattel until Obama was elected. This again falls under the category of them searching for anything remotely helpful to their case. They don’t actually believe this stuff. They just argue it because they think that it helps their case. There are many lies here. For instance, that “parents” is significant to mean two parents. If they truly believed that, then they have an idiotic view of both the English and French Languages. For instance, if you saw a sign that said, “only children of members may use the pool”, would you interpret that to mean that the children of single mothers who are part of the club cannot use the pool, as they are not “children of members”.
9. SR511. Birthers state that this proves that their interpretation of law is correct when going to this sentance, “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936”. They state that because it’s in SR-511, that proves that it is a neccessary condition. They convientely forget the other clauses in that statement “on an American military base, in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936” as being in that same sentance. If they truly believe this, then they must believe that the only Natural Born Citizens were the ones who were born to two Citizen Parents, on an Military Base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.
7. “This will all be over when Obama releases .” I’ve been hearing this lie spouting by the birthers for the last 7 years. They know it’s a lie too, because it’s then usually followed up by them requesting information from documents that they have either no right to, or most likely do not exist (kindergarten records come to mind), but always outside of what they just said. 7 years ago, it was, “If Obama just releases his birth certificate, this will all go away.” So, Obama released his birth certificate. He scanned it in, emailed it to various news organizations, and displayed it on his campaign website. He also allowed news organizations to come to his campaign headquarters, and photograph it, handle it, feel the raised seal. The Hawaii Department of Health said that it was his “official Hawaii State Birth Certificate”. Various news organizations such as Politifact and CNN compared it to other birth certificates from Hawaii, and found that it matched up. Yet, it didn’t go away. As soon as he released it, they said, “That’s not a real birth certificate.” and demanded something else.
4 years ago, it was: “If he’d just release his long-form birth certificate, this will all go away.” So, Obama wrote the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health to get a special waiver to get a birth certificate that Hawaii doesn’t usually issue anymore. He got it photocopied and authenticated. He had both the Director of the HDOH, and the State Registrar sign affidavits stating that this is the real thing. He then takes it in front of the White House Press Corps, lets them feel the seal, lets them photograph it, and scans it into his website and posts it up on the Official White House Website. Birthers immediately called it a fake, demanded more documentation, and said that it didn’t matter anyways.
These are just 10 lies that the birthers have told, that have been debunked and proven to be wrong. I could spend all night here, writing down a thousand more.
So more postponing of the end of the usurperation… *sigh*
The ironic part is that these peeps are quick to yell “election fraud” whenever their side loses, yet are still willing to believe in winnable elections when it’s an excuse to not take to the streets today.
I still remember how they croaked “impeachment hearings will start any day now” after the 2010 elections.
Birtherverse is completely upside-down. They’ve been blabbering how we “useful idiots” would be the first to be executed when the Obama dictatorship comes. Now it seems it’s really the die-hard birthers who are the first to be “executed” by their own when the birther dictatorship doesn’t come. 😉
“It is of no concern.” *lol*
Incidentally, I dug out my university diploma last week and it had my birth date 10 years later than it actually was. I never noticed it back then.
Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Let us not forget his strange and ongoing fetish around matters fecal as well…..Possibly poor old Budgie had a less than edifying childhood with an overly touchy-feely “uncle”.
In which case we should feel nothing but sadness for a childhood stolen and life competely wasted.
Or he could just be a nassively closeted, self loathing feckwit with anger, intimacy and mommy issues who sublimates his self hatred and feelings of personal and physical inadequacy through overt displays of faux masculinity and coprophilia.
In which case we should just continuee to point and laugh mockingly……..
Damn you, now I gotta change all locks again. And maybe close the window when I go to work.
I didn’t even realize Bickel blocked me on twitter until now. After reading he blocked you, I went to check. meh. Miki Booth blocked me long ago. You can still follow them in you add to a search column on tweetdeck. I exclude the @ symbol. The tweets come down. But they won’t see your tweet unless somebody retweets manually.
I prolly won’t tweet at him anyway. But I like to see what he’s spreading.
Ooh! A “patriotic presentation” in Auburn this weekend, did you say?
I live just a hop, skip, and a jump from Auburn. If it weren’t for the fact that I have a packed weekend of youth baseball & softball games, I’d be there with bells on.
However, if the “patriotic presentation” is being held at the Auburn Ale House, I may have to rethink my priorities… 🙂
More media attention:
Tea Party’s Latest Plan To Get Millions To March On Washington Will Be A Comedic Failure
The new packages have secret Kenyan spices and when you’re done, you can turn the box into a toy Xerox WorkCentre 7535.
Collect 5 boxtops, and send away for a frogman with a poisonous dart gun you can use to kill Barbie dressed up as Loretta Fuddy. GI Joe to fly the plane and other passengers sold separately.
Birthers’ new hero:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Town-s-white-police-official-calls-Obama-N-word-5480252.php
Another sheriff is heard from.
Two rather frightening articles about right wing violence:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
http://southernbeale.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/because-its-not-about-guns/
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!
William, this crime exists only in your imagination. So stop whining…..
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William · 4 minutes ago
I’ve heard from the main Obots, that the primary reason they have created fake fraudulent documents to send to Attorneys and investigative Sheriff Dept., was simply out of pure fun. I beg to differ.
For example: If a murder, say you child, was being investigated, would you consider it “Funny”, to have someone and a team of people creating fake documents and intentionally creating false leads pertaining to the investigation of your murdered child? Of course not.
But Obots do.. Why?
It’s not funny and this is not a game. One that Doc and Foggy have been playing for quite some time together, as well as a few others.
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It is fun to send Orly and others chasing for their own tails…..
http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/05/oas-live-stream-coverage-patriots.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BirtherReportObamaReleaseYourRecords+%28Birther+Report%3A+Obama+Release+Your+Records%29
from lupin’s link: The thing you have to remember with these guys is that it’s really not about guns. It’s about power, and their inability to deal with a culture in which they have to share that power with women, minorities, Muslims and gays. It’s about feeling culturally irrelevant. It’s about being left behind while the rest of the country moves forward.
That sounds pretty accurate.
Many of them do not realize they had no power before. Their sense of power comes from how they resemble those in power not their actual power or control. It is quite sad when your existence must be defined by who others are or what others do.
That was just a coincidence: Hawaii was using their own book, and coding the originals for their own statistics. There was some overlap, but also some differences, in the codes used for race. And the feds weren’t coding “Kind of business” at all. Not we would see any markings from them, because they did their coding from microfilm sent in by Hawaii.
The Hawaiian book appears to have been permanently lost, so the only way to find out their system would be to get a big stack of LFBCs and reverse-engineer it.
Doc was one of the people who did a great job of figuring all this out, and it’s written up in a few of his articles linked from the Debunker’s Guide.
It’s walking into Walmart and seeing signs in Spanish.
I think before they could at least look down upon black people as being below them; now they can’t do it anymore and one them is in the White house. It totally freaks them out.
John Reilly: It’s walking into Walmart and seeing signs in Spanish.
sí, vote aquí o para Español, marque número uno.
Lupin:
c’est vrai!!!! the minorities have taken over and that includes WOMEN – hillary will only continue their last ditch effort
“The Revolution devours its children.” –Jacques Mallet du Pan
If you want to know their greatest fears, look what they’re saying about post-Apartheid South Africa.
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Good point. I just watched the movie Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. In the movie, I noted that when Afrikaners met with him (before they even released him from prison), they expressed the same fears that RWNJs express today in the US.
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Exactly. And it seems to totally freak them out that–even when they don’t use the N-word anymore–people still can see their blatant racism. Let’s face it, many of them also think that his parent’s relationship should be considered illegal and immoral, and so his very birth was a sort of crime. Barack Obama was 6 years old when the US Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional the laws in southern states that made interracial sexual relations, cohabitation, and marriage criminally illegal. See Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967).
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Yes. That’s it. But they need to move forward. All of us have had to move forward, and the challenge never ends.
Seems to me, they still haven’t gotten over the fact that the Constitution was amended after the Civil War. It’s been about 150 years. Seems to me, there is no part of the deep, multi-claused 14th Amendment that they don’t really hate and are trying to change. And they can’t even be honest and say they want to change the 14th Amendment–instead, they propose their own bizarre legal theories for an upside-down interpretation of the law. Even for their twisted Vattel-is-the-authority insanity, all they can really cite in their briefs is a reference to Vattel in a Dred Scott concurring opinion. They give no moment to the fact that Dred Scot was overruled by having a whole Civil War and amending the Constitution. They have no shame.
J.D. Sue: They have no shame.
you can’t spell “shame” without “âmes” which means “souls” in french
Pretty similar to our German (right-wing) cranks who still obsess over a 1971 Supreme Court ruling that they misquote to claim the Reich still exists as the “real” German state – forgetting that, apart from the fact they misquote it like birthers mis-translate Vattel, the 1990 reunification and the 2+4 treaty have rendered all prior legal observations w.r.t. sovereignty and territorial issues moot.
As I tried to explain to Paige (I think), the only way to use Vattel against Obama (leaving aside the absurdity of it) is to use the “Father only” clause, not the “two citizens parents” which only exists in their imagination.
The problems with that “sexist” approach are that (1) all the Vattelist countries have subsequently amended that rule to put mothers on the same footing; and (2) citizenship being automatically granted upon request at majority, it never precluded anyone from running for any office.
A lunatic could probably ignore (1) and (2) but that still remains the ONLY line of attack using Vattel.
Either Mario thought that tack too idiotic to use, relying instead on a willful distortion, or he was too stupid to full grasp the article in question.