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  1. The European says:

    To continue (and end it as far as I a concerned) the discussion from the last open thread:

    @ Suranis:

    This is (again) the headline and link that caused my anger:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/06/obama-advisor-susan-rice-hints-at-lethal-aid-to-syrian-rebel/

    So Pres. Obama still tries to oust Pres. Assad. He seems not to be capable to see that the ousting of all the other rulers / dictators of the region – from Saddam to Ghaddaffi – has destabilizised the region and made life for the majority of the populations worse or even unbearable. Just google “Christians Iraq”.

    @bgansel9:

    I am sorry, but your intellect seems to be too limited to allow you to participate in a fruitful discussion.

  2. bgansel9 says:

    The European: I am sorry, but your intellect seems to be too limited to allow you to participate in a fruitful discussion.

    You, the German, are making judgments about who best would serve as president of my nation? And I’m the one with the limited intellect? I rest my case.

  3. bgansel9 says:

    Suranis said:

    “And while Rand Pauls isolationism might seem attractive, its the only part of his platform that is. Its the worst form of Corporate statism cloaked in words of freedom and libertarianism.”

    You are absolutely correct.

    But, I’m the intellectual idiot and this European thinks he’s the intellectual giant. Bwahahahahaha!

  4. Lupin says:

    Another gem from birdbrain at BR:

    —-

    I’m pretty convinced that Obama is, in fact, a Saudi Royal Family member. Bowing the King of Saudi Arabia seemed like the act of a political neophyte at the time, but it’s much deeper than that.

    I’m sure Obama is a Wahhabist. It makes sense when you study his alliances and vision for the world.

    Obama didn’t want to take out fellow Wahhabist bin Laden even though he knew where he was located for 8 months. Then concocted a diabolical plan to kill off Corsi’s book “Where’s the Birth Certificate” and the mounting pressure for him to produce a viable document that said he was born somewhere in America. This killed two birds with one stone. In my opinion, Ben Rhodes and Valerie Jarrett are behind the majority of the obfuscation, past and present. We all know this.

    In my eyes, it’s all adding up that Obama is a Saudi and in my opinion this is where the investigation will end. Gallups said that no one has hit on the exact connection yet, I don’t believe that. I know Gallups reads here and I know that he has read every theory we have posted – I find it hard to believe that no one here over the years has not connected all the dots. We have had some great posters and some great theories – many are believable because Obama is so out of the mainstream that everyone has taken notice.

    One of my friends on another board said – yeah, something is wrong with this guy, something doesn’t feel right. Something doesn’t feel right because it’s not right.

    In my opinion, this whole thing smells Saudi to me. I’ll be shocked if I’m wrong.

    It is harder and harder to tell satire from reality.

  5. Lupin says:

    This is totally OT, but for the love of God, I wish your media would stop parading war criminals on their airwaves, arguing for more war.

    It’s disgusting, immoral, and nauseating.

    It’s bad enough that you can’t clean your own house, but least leave the skeletons where they belong: inside the closets.

    /end of rant.

  6. JPotter says:

    Lupin: It is harder and harder to tell satire from reality.

    …. calll the Poe-lice …. 😛

  7. bgansel9 says:

    Lupin: It’s disgusting, immoral, and nauseating.

    Yes, it is, Lupin. The rightwing can’t even remember how we got into Iraq to begin with.

    Speaking of your post above about Obama’s possible Saudi roots, what does that make George Bush? – http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dfd_1375495354&comments=1

  8. JPotter says:

    Lupin: The crazy anti-Hillary right-wing movement has officially begun today:

    Joke will be on them when someone else farther left takes the Dem nomination. Please, do continue wasting all your time focusing on Hillary …. they made that mistake once before 😉

  9. JPotter says:

    bgansel9: Yes, it is, Lupin. The rightwing can’t even remember how we got into Iraq to begin with.

    They can’t recall yesterday until the echoes in the chamber remind them!

  10. aarrgghh says:

    Lupin (quoting birdbrain): One of my friends on another board said – yeah, something is wrong with this guy, something doesn’t feel right. Something doesn’t feel right because it’s not right.

    if something don’t smell right
    about bama’s past
    it’s ’cause all your theories
    come straight from your ass
    burma shave

  11. RanTalbott says:

    A rather nice overview of birferism from a Republican who’s also tired of the madness.

    With a lengthy battle with Mario, for those who are into that sort of thing.

  12. RanTalbott says:

    Courtesy of the twitfeed: a hilarious new offering from the indefatigable Mr. Nash. Wong Kim Ark does not apply to Obama because he’s not Chinese. And, apparently, no longer applies to anybody, because China gave up the “Emperor” thang…

  13. Paper says:

    Just a repackaging of his same old same old.

    RanTalbott:
    Courtesy of the twitfeed: a hilarious new offering from the indefatigable Mr. Nash…

  14. Crustacean says:

    Touché.

    I remember being disgusted when I heard about war criminals from Africa parading down the Champs Elysées on Bastille Day a few years ago.

    Lupin: This is totally OT, but for the love of God, I wish your media would stop parading war criminals on their airwaves, arguing for more war.
    It’s disgusting, immoral, and nauseating.

  15. Arthur says:

    RanTalbott: With a lengthy battle with Mario, for those who are into that sort of thing.

    I enjoyed reading that. Thanks!

  16. Arthur says:

    Lupin: This is totally OT, but for the love of God, I wish your media would stop parading war criminals on their airwaves, arguing for more war.

    I agree. It’s truly disgusting.

  17. J.D. Sue says:

    I see congratulations are in order to Orly Taitz for winning her motion to expedite motion for reconsideration in Taitz v. Colvin.

    It was expedited. Reconsideration denied.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/229958865/USDCMD-ECF-42-Taitz-v-Colvin-ORDER-d-md-1-13-Cv-01878-42

  18. Thinker says:

    As we know, Taitz is sufficiently stupid and narcissistic to believe that this is a win for her. The judge may regret being so polite in her ruling.

    J.D. Sue:
    I see congratulations are in order to Orly Taitz for winning her motion to expedite motion for reconsideration in Taitz v. Colvin.

    It was expedited.Reconsideration denied.

  19. Bonsall Obot says:

    “Motion was granted! Judge said granted! Now I get discovereeeeeey!”

  20. Suranis says:

    Heh, Rand Paul ironic comment yesterday

    “I would not rule out air strikes.”

    I guess he found that isolationism a little uncomfortable when he has the sniff of the white house in his nose. Asshole.

  21. Suranis says:

    Heh. From 2013 but still good.

    RanTalbott:
    A rather nice overview of birferism from a Republican who’s also tired of the madness.

    With a lengthy battle with Mario, for those who are into that sort of thing.

  22. Lupin says:

    Crustacean:
    Touché.

    I remember being disgusted when I heard about war criminals from Africa parading down the Champs Elysées on Bastille Day a few years ago.

    For argument’s sake let’s not discuss France’s involvement with support for odious tyrants like Bokassa. The UK supported Idi Ami, the US Pinochet. It’s certainly morally appalling, but, you know, reasons of state…

    Let’s not talk about soldiers “following orders”, whether they are Foreign Legion, Brits in South Africa or Northern Ireland, or your GIs in Irak. There for the grace of God, etc.

    But does NBC have to parade someone like Wolfowitz???? And to do so without a minute of critical retrospective about his lies, deceits and manipulations? I don’t ask for him to be prosecuted & thrown in jail (although that would be nice), but do the independent TV networks have to parade him as if he were a honest man offering a honest opinion????

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, and France is certainly NOT a model, but you should have seen the treatment accorded by our news anchor (in a country where TV is far more beholden to the State than it is in the US) to some of the generals involved in the dirtiest moments of the Algerian War.

    Wolfowitz? Really?

  23. J.D. Sue says:

    Lupin: But does NBC have to parade someone like Wolfowitz???? And to do so without a minute of critical retrospective about his lies, deceits and manipulations?

    —-
    FWIW, Lupin, it is very distressing for many of us Americans to have to watch them paraded in front of us. It’s hard to overstate just how awful our news programming has become.

  24. Paper says:

    Well, Meet the Press is a mess…David Gregory in action. On the other hand, MSNBC is all over these retreads and the ridiculousness of their opinions being given the time of day.

    Lupin:

    But does NBC have to parade someone like Wolfowitz???? And to do so without a minute of critical retrospective about his lies, deceits and manipulations? I don’t ask for him to be prosecuted & thrown in jail (although that would be nice), but do the independent TV networks have to parade him as if he were a honest man offering a honest opinion????

    Wolfowitz? Really?

  25. Rickey says:

    Lupin:

    Wolfowitz? Really?

    Jon Stewart had a brilliant piece on The Daily Show last night where he played clips of the likes of McCain, Graham, Wolfowitz, etc. making disastrously wrong assessments about Iraq.

    McCain actually claimed that there was no history of of the Sunni and the Shia being unable to get along. Stewart pulled out a history book which showed that the last time they were not at each other’s throats was in the year 950. Yes, more than a thousand years ago.

  26. Rickey says:

    In other news, Strunk’s lawsuit against the New York City Board of Elections and other defendants is on the trial calendar for tomorrow, 6/18. I believe that this is the case where he wants Shrimpie to testify.

    It is unclear from the docket exactly what the status of the case is, but perhaps we’ll get some clarification in a day or two.

  27. Crustacean says:

    Lupin: But does NBC have to parade someone like Wolfowitz???? And to do so without a minute of critical retrospective about his lies, deceits and manipulations? I don’t ask for him to be prosecuted & thrown in jail (although that would be nice), but do the independent TV networks have to parade him as if he were a honest man offering a honest opinion????

    Lupin, I just want to make it clear that my comment was only meant as a friendly little jab. Of course, you are 100% correct. The only distinction I would make is this: if Wolfowitz were giving a public address, and I were a journalist, I would cover it. But inviting him into a studio and asking his opinion? No thanks!

    I was as disgusted by the prior administration as could be. Prosecution and jail time for the criminals among them would not only have been nice, it would have been an essential step toward reclaiming the rule of law in the USA. Obviously, there were reasons why the current administration didn’t take that step, but in my opinion, they blew it.

    Scott Horton laid it out nicely in 2008: “No prior administration has been so systematically or so brazenly lawless. Yet it is no simple matter to prosecute a former president or his senior officers. There is no precedent for such a prosecution, and even if there was, the very breadth and audacity of the administration’s activities would make the process so complex as to defy systems of justice far less fragmented than our own. But that only means choices must be made. Indeed, in weighing the enormity of the administration’s transgressions against the realistic prospect of justice, it is possible to determine not only the crime that calls most clearly for prosecution but also the crime that is most likely to be successfully prosecuted. In both cases, that crime is torture.”

    http://harpers.org/archive/2008/12/justice-after-bush/1/

  28. Paper says:

    Or you do it this way:

    Chris Hayes with Wolfowitz in November 2013

    Even starts off with a reference to Godwin’s Law viz. neocon rhetoric.

    http://youtu.be/v0-wwFE_DaM

    Crustacean: But inviting him into a studio and asking his opinion?No thanks!

  29. The Magic M says:

    Crustacean: Scott Horton laid it out nicely in 2008:

    And there you have the reason why the Tea Party types are pushing the “Obama = most lawless administration” meme so hard despite lacking any proof thereof – fear that with enough distance to their administration, Bush/Cheney might get prosecuted after all.

  30. JPotter says:

    Time for a new QotD …. not that I have any suggestions LOL

  31. Dave B. says:

    I tried to post a link directly to the article referred to here:
    http://lawlit.blogspot.com/2014/06/natural-born-citizens-and-us.html
    and it just disappeared. It’s about “The Natural Born Citizen Clause as Originally Understood” and it’s a pretty interesting article. It’s also interesting what is entirely missing from it.

  32. Paper says:

    Lupin, you may appreciate this sampling of what the chyrons on cable news *should* be displaying under these guys faces.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/honest-chyrons-bush-iraq_n_5508748.html

    Lupin:
    But does NBC have to parade someone like Wolfowitz???? And to do so without a minute of critical retrospective about his lies, deceits and manipulations? I don’t ask for him to be prosecuted & thrown in jail (although that would be nice), but do the independent TV networks have to parade him as if he were a honest man offering a honest opinion????

  33. Lupin says:

    Paper: Lupin, you may appreciate this sampling of what the chyrons on cable news *should* be displaying under these guys faces.

    Excellent!!!

    Dick Cheney’s would be “War Criminal. Currently at large.”

    Mind you, Kissinger could join him. (I’m dating myself here.)

  34. Lupin says:

    another gem from BR, this time from “Reagan’s Ghost” channeling his inner Yosemite Sam:

    Here’s my theory on the NWO and the Jihadists: the NWO wants a ONE WORLD GOV’T, I think we can all agree on that. The question is, how do you go about making it happen? people will rebel against a bunch of gazillionaires openly manipulating them. America, and the freedoms we enjoy here, have ALWAYS been a thorn in the side of the NWO and their dreams of a one world gov’t ruled by elites. Why? Because when you have a beacon of HOPE like America in this world, people have something to aspire to, a place to escape to if their own countries are ruled by tyrants. As long as America stands, people won’t accept the NWO. So what to do? Well, they’ve accomplished a HUGE part of their plan by dumbing down Americans through federalizing of education. Americans are so dumbed down, in fact, that they voted for their own destructor, Barack Hussein Obama. Now that he is in office, he is systematically dismantling the USA from within. At the same time, the NWO is aiding and encouraging the spread of radical islam and jihadists by providing them aid and weapons. The NWO’s hope, in my opinion, is to USE the jihadists to take the world by FORCE; in essence, the jihadists are a PROXY military force for the NWO that they will use to unite the globe, just like they’ve always wanted. Then, when Sharia is LAW not only in the USA but WORLDWIDE, the NWO will defeat the jihadists by SLAUGHTERING EVERY LAST SINGLE MUSLIM on Earth. Then, since the world will have already been united, our “saviors”, the NWO, will find an excuse to keep a one world gov’t, banning ALL religions, using the example of the jihadists as the reason to do so. And we will find ourselves in an NWO before we knew what even hit us. Your thoughts?

    Maybe the Soviets were right to register typewriters?

  35. RanTalbott says:

    Lupin: Maybe the Soviets were right to register typewriters?

    So many possibilities there…

    A. Obviously not: the place wouldn’t’ve been half as dreary and boring if they hadn’t.

    B. It was a foolish sacrifice of medical efficiency to give up that valuable psychiatric pre-screeening tool.

    C. There’s no longer any need to waste time on all that paperwork, since modern tools can trace IP addresses, and automatically send alerts to the Department of Pre-Crime. Bwahaha!

    (Speaking of IPAs, someone needs to steal BR’s httpd logs, so we can start remotely activating webcams, and get rich off a new reality TV series called “Duh! Dynasty”…)

  36. Keith says:

    RanTalbott: Speaking of IPAs,

    … Sierra Nevada Torpedo is very nice.

  37. Rickey says:

    Strunk’s lawsuit against the New York City Board of Elections was adjourned to 9/11/14. That gives him nearly three months to get Shrimpie to New York. For Strunk’s sake I hope that he bought Shrimpie a restrictions-free ticket.

  38. RanTalbott says:

    Rickey: Strunk’s lawsuit against the New York City Board of Elections was adjourned to 9/11/14

    So, it’s scheduled for the lucky 13th anniversary of the big attacks. Any chance the courtroom is located in the WTC complex? Some judicial humor is extremely subtle…

  39. Rickey says:

    RanTalbott: So, it’s scheduled for the lucky 13th anniversary of the big attacks. Any chance the courtroom is located in the WTC complex? Some judicial humor is extremely subtle…

    Strunk’s lawsuit is in Brooklyn, a good distance from the WTC complex. The courthouse in Manhattan is closer to the Brooklyn Bridge than to the WTC complex.

    Strunk’s other New York lawsuit, Strunk v. Paterson, et al., was adjourned for a year, to 6/19/15.

  40. Bonsall Obot says:

    Majority Will: I hope there’s no connection to this:
    http://www.spacex.com/falcon9

    Not exactly the “falcon” connection I was thinking of.

    Also: Arizona.

  41. Bonsall Obot says:

    Majority Will: I hope there’s no connection to this:
    http://www.spacex.com/falcon9

    Oops. Sorry, Will:

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/06/18/huppenthal-acknowledges-anonymous-blog-posts/10749057/

    “He said Wednesday that his online handles came from the name of a rocket…”

    Still no word on whether he posts at BR.

  42. Keith says:

    Bonsall Obot: Still no word on whether he posts at BR.

    Can’t be him.

    “I love talking about public policy, and I have a passion for engaging in debate,” Huppenthal said on Wednesday. “I probably have 300,000 words out on the Internet, and 100 of them are getting me in trouble.

    The bird-brain on BR has 300,000 posts not 300,000 words. And every one of them gets him in trouble, not 100. And his only passion is to expose himself in public, not debate.

  43. Bonsall Obot says:

    How can an interview with Shurf Joke be an “exclusive?” He loves attention more than the Bieber does.

  44. RanTalbott says:

    Bonsall Obot: How can an interview with Shurf Joke be an “exclusive?”

    Humphries was the only only journalist on the entire planet who interviewed him between 2PM and 2:45 this last Tuesday. No other journo will ever be able to make that claim.

    How much more “exclusive” can you get than an interview that can never be duplicated for all eternity? 😉

  45. Bonsall Obot says:

    If Humphries is a journalist, then am I a soused gurnet.

  46. RanTalbott says:

    Well, WorldNutDaily now has an “exclusive” from Corsi about Rusty’s “exclusive”, entitled “Sheriff Joe closing in on Obama forger”. It seems to be mostly just a rehash of parts of the interview. So, does that mean the “exclusive” has now become “inclusive”?

    Wasn’t there a Gallups announcement in the last several months that “We know who the forger is”? I was sure I had seen something to that effect, but can’t find it with google. Maybe it was just something he said in the video/audio, and wasn’t in the text of the title?

  47. Bonsall Obot says:

    “You can’t fool me, young man; it’s exclusives all the way down!”

  48. Arthur says:

    An informative article about the personality of a RWNJ:

    “He thinks he’s going to save the world”: The making of a “sovereign citizen”
    The brother of Brent Douglas Cole traces the alleged shooter’s descent into violent right-wing extremism

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/21/he_thinks_he%E2%80%99s_going_to_save_the_world%E2%80%9D_the_making_of_a_sovereign_citizen/

  49. gorefan says:

    Interesting article about a little known incident that involves Alexander Hamilton and John Jay.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gory-new-york-city-riot-shaped-american-medicine-180951766/?utm_source=smithsoniantopic&no-ist

  50. Benji Franklin says:

    RanTalbott: “Sheriff Joe closing in on Obama forger”.

    Since the White House LFBC likeness appeared online Birthers have obviously peevishly used the word “forgery” in a way that has NO Legal SIGNIFICANCE in this instance. It wasn’t posted online to fulfill any legal requirement. The information it displayed has been confirmed as authentic by the appropriate officials in Hawaii, so it can’t be defrauding anyone by displaying false facts. Any qualifying legal entity can get certified copies of whatever Hawaii is using as the official record for Obama, that will simply OFFICIALLY repeat and re-verify what the protested current online image displays.

    Mike Volin must have a head full of sawdust on this particular issue especially. He has paraded this “forgery” charge in front of ever Obama-hating Congress person he could find, many of whom are lawyers, and NOT ONE has come out and demanded that Obama (or his staff) be charged with “forgery” or needs to be investigated to evaluate the extent of his “forged documents”.

    My lawyer acquaintances (3) who are all staunch Republicans, dismiss the notion that Obama’s online LFBC likeness is a forgery as so ludicrous a premise, that merely suggesting it would call into question any other unproven or obscure accusation that the same accuser might utter.

    The most Obama-disliking attorney of the three, who thinks Ark settles the matter for now by the way, further opined that any group wishing to reopen the debate about what constitutes NBC for Article 2 purposes, would almost certainly lose the attention of nearly the entire legal community, if such a discussion was contaminated with transparently partisan, specious “forgery” accusations. And this guy really hasn’t seen even 1% of the wide-spectrum Birther silliness.

    I guess it’s difficult for Birthers to escape their desperate bunker mentality because of their endless failures in the real world. Faced with never-ending losses there, imaginary and prospectively predicted victories they claim will come from wilder and escalating charges are all they have to cling to. But the result is they are self-imprisoning themselves in the traveling Birther Klown Kar.

    They have cried “wolf” for too long to do their own cause much good any more. They’ve lost all credibility. They might be able to actually make at least a minor legitimate charge against the President go away at this point, just by associating themselves with it!

    With a blizzard of accusatory misinformation, they can’t get a single significant federal government official to acknowledge any criminal forgery took place with the LFBC, BUT

    They claim are still “closing in on the forger” – with the expectation that accusing someone of such a non-criminal act, by simply using the term “forgery”, will somehow bring down a sitting President!

    What would the Birther’s parents think of their sanity, if the Birthers called them and announced like they are still closing in on the Easter Bunny!

    And they explain their failure to get traction with any of these Obama accusations with the most insane premise of all; almost every government official and member of the mainstream press, is conspiring to treasonously protect the “known usurper” Obama!

    So Mike Volin, if your Birther Klown-troop is “still closing in on the forger? It’s in the same way that for going on 70- years, Hitler’s armies are still closing in on Stalingrad!

  51. JPotter says:

    RanTalbott: “Sheriff Joe closing in on Obama forger”.

    Always makes me think of water circling a drain.

    Big damn drain in this case!

  52. Bonsall Obot says:

    RanTalbott, citing insane people:

    “Sheriff Joe closing in on Obama forger”

    And somewhere, Zeno is doing the math.

  53. Steve says:

    Today, for the first time, I saw a car (an SUV, actually) with a “Where’s the birth certificate?” bumper sticker.

  54. Arthur says:

    Bonsall Obot: And somewhere, Zeno is doing the math.

    And Achilles is still chasing that damned tortoise!

  55. Sef says:

    Bonsall Obot: And somewhere, Zeno is doing the math.

    And surely we have a pair of docs on this site to help.

  56. Benji Franklin says:

    Bonsall Obot: And somewhere, Zeno is doing the math.

    Yes! Zullo’s Paradox is their excuse for never actually making the announcement of the UNIVERSE-SHATTERING and IRREFUTABLY EVIDENCED major, major, major, major, major, major, major, major criminal activity! You know, the new SECRET crime that makes Obama’s previous offense (the greatest case of usurpacious fraud in the nation’s history) worth less attention?

    It’s why Zullo can never quite get to the microphone to make that HUGE announcement! We should have noticed; he’s already been halfway to the microphone an infinite number of times!

  57. Sef says:

    Benji Franklin: It’s why Zullo can never quite get to the microphone to make that HUGE announcement! We should have noticed; he’s already been halfway to the microphone an infinite number of times!

    The problem with Zullo is that he has never learned to integrate.

  58. That’s one way to look at it. I would rather compare Zullo with a particle accelerating towards the speed of light. The closer to the speed of light it goes, the heavier it gets, and the more energy that’s required to accelerate it more. In Zullo’s case the excuse for not releasing anything is that the investigation has uncovered more things to release. The investigation grows and grows and it would take an infinite amount of investigation to finish and actually release anything.

    Sef: Benji Franklin: It’s why Zullo can never quite get to the microphone to make that HUGE announcement! We should have noticed; he’s already been halfway to the microphone an infinite number of times!

    The problem with Zullo is that he has never learned to integrate.

  59. Benji Franklin says:

    Sef: The problem with Zullo is that he has never learned to integrate.

    Good one!

    And by my humble calculus, we can compute the value of the Birthers’ movement as the Limit of (judicial decisions lost) over (meritless Birther theories of law) as the number of such theories approaches infinity.

  60. JPotter says:

    Dr. Conspiracy: The investigation grows and grows and it would take an infinite amount of investigation to finish and actually release anything.

    Most unique thing about the limit of the CCCP “investigation”s potential?

    The limit is -∞

  61. Jim says:

    We now have unimpeachable PROOF that the President is an English citizen and should not be allowed to serve as President!

    http://tinyurl.com/l5b7wu8

    Well, at least to a birther it’s unimpeachable. 😆

  62. Greenfinches says:

    Bonsall Obot: I a soused gurnet.

    oh my, a Shakespeare reference!

    I don’t think the birfers deserve such culture, me………….

  63. The reason you’re having a problem finding the reference is that perhaps you got it from the infamous, now deleted, “Birther Shattering: Gallups Savages Birther Movement; Birther Report Responds” article at Birther Report. It appears in the context of Gallups: “… they are now honing on on the group responsible for forging the fake document.'”

    Various people at BR took that to mean that they know who the forger is, but then maybe not as evidenced by comments like:

    Sid Jackson: “I guess I out-drove my headlights and became convinced they already knew who forged the document.”

    Bannerblue: “I, too, thought they identified the forgers. I’ve been thinking about what Zullo means by ‘honing in’ on the forgers. I find it hard to believe he would make a public statement like that if the essentials about the forgers weren’t already in place – especially at this point. I’m hoping it’s only more vetting that he’s working on.”

    RanTalbott: Wasn’t there a Gallups announcement in the last several months that “We know who the forger is”? I was sure I had seen something to that effect, but can’t find it with google.

  64. Bonsall Obot says:

    Greenfinches: oh my, a Shakespeare reference!

    I don’t think the birfers deserve such culture, me………….

    I don’t quote Shakespeare often, but I have a real soft spot for Falstaff; thanks for noticing. 😉

  65. Bob J says:

    Since there are no accidents in Birtherstan, I wonder if this could be the “Universe Shattering” information. Might also explain England’s early exit from the tournament.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/company-confuses-barack-obama-with-chris-smalling-on-england-team-mug-set–photo-143719664.html

  66. RanTalbott says:

    Bob J: Since there are no accidents in Birtherstan, I wonder if this could be the “Universe Shattering” information

    Definitely an MI-6 psyop to distract attention from Shrimpton’s upcoming testimony.

  67. Thomas Brown says:

    Bonsall Obot: I don’t quote Shakespeare often, but I have a real soft spot for Falstaff; thanks for noticing.

    Keep thy soused gurnet; I’ll partake of none
    Whilst we may yet pull young scamels from the rock

  68. The Magic M (not logged in) says:

    Bob J: I wonder if this could be the “Universe Shattering” information

    Well, it proves 100% that Obama is British and is using yet another name. ZOMG! Birthers are vindicated! Gotta find my emergency ticket to Kenya… misplaced my Obot Hiding Kit the other day… someone please tell Soros I need extraction ASAP… over and out…

  69. Lupin says:

    Another gem from the super-loony wing of the BR asylum.

    Yes, Obama is Hitler’s son:

    —–

    You should take a listen to Peter Lavenda’s research about the “escape” of Adolf Hitler, it was on Coast to Coast am

    Basically put, (in as short a way as possible) Lavenda says that Hitler and Eva escaped first to Argentina, then in 1954 they both went to live in Surabaya, Indonesia under the Austrian names of Hella and Dr Georg Anton Poch

    Eva went back to germany when he farther was ill and Hitler stayed, Hitler converted to Muslim and married a local Indonesian Women (there are photos of her and Hitler on google images, search “Hitler in Indonesia”)

    He says Hitler died in 1970 and is buried in a Muslim Cemetry which has been visited by MANY Europeans over the years, even the Russians sent their agents over their to check when he died and when they came back to Russia they dug up a few of the Nazis they had buried and cremated them !…this was in 1970…very strange behavior indeed.

    So if Hitler was in Indonesia between 1954 to 1970, and O’Bummer was in Indonesia between 1967 and 1971 supposedly then maybe someone should check he DNA to make sure he’s not Adolfs offspring?

    There were not so many “Americans” living in Indonesia back then!

    It was Prescott Bush, the Wallstreet Banksters and the Vatican that put Hitler in to Power and it was the vatican that smuggled out loads of Nazi scum AFTER WW2….and it was America that hired thousands of Nazis

    On top of all that America is now siding with Ukraine Nazis and Hitlers old Arab Nazis aka The Muslim Brotherhood who the cia sent to live in Saudi Arabia AFTER WW2, it was them that taught Osama Bin Laden

    and Ford, well the Nazis would have been walking if it wasn’t for Ford building their trucks DURING WW2

    You should listen to the long interview on Coast to Coast, there are so many details in there including a notebook from that Vatican Ratline guy Draganovitch, oh and there was a DNA test done by a Canadian TV program on the so-called remains of Hitler in the bunker and they WERE NOT HIS OR EVAS

  70. Lupin says:

    I’ve really come to enjoy a daily dose of BR. The derangement, the insanity, the nastiness, the racism, the ignorance… It’s like comic-book villainy (e.g.: the Joker, the Hate-Monger), but straight.

  71. Rickey says:

    This seems to have flown under the radar – Margaret A. Payne, the sister of Madelyn Dunham, died in North Carolina last week at the age of 87.

    http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsobserver/obituary.aspx?n=margaret-a-payne&pid=171433976

  72. mimi says:

    Joey Farah was caught with a loaded gun at Dulles. I believe it’s another for the ‘Birthers Behaving Badly’ category:

    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/24/birther-leader-joseph-farah-caught-with-loaded-gun-at-dulles-tsa-checkpoint-faces-weapon-charge/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  73. Thomas Brown says:

    There is exactly one fact in the rant above: Ford (Germany) did make vehicles for the Nazis. But so did every other car manufacturer they could get their hands on. So the point is… Hmm. Nope, don’t see one.

  74. Thinker says:

    Klayman appears to be trying to appeal the Alabama case to the US Supreme Court.
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/13a1274.htm

  75. RanTalbott says:

    I looked at the docket, and it looks to me like the deadline for filing an appeal passed about a week ago, but Klayman is asking for an extension.

    Does his application say, “Sorry: I was busy trying to overthrow the government with OAS, and fomenting sedition in Nevada, so I wasn’t able to get the paperwork done on time”?

  76. Dave B. says:

    Another Obama “relative,” Rick Hyatt:

    http://va-horror-story.blogspot.com/2014/06/birther-reports-criminal-expert-says.html

    I’ve come across this guy commenting here and there. He’s got a book out. His bios and book descriptions on Amazon are…interesting.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bred-Manchurian-Candidate-Following-Orders/dp/1257643886/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1403726479&sr=8-9&keywords=rick+hyatt

    http://www.amazon.com/BRED-MANCHURIAN-CANDIDATE-Rick-Hyatt-ebook/dp/B005DTO112/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403726479&sr=8-2&keywords=rick+hyatt

    http://www.amazon.com/Bred-Manchurian-Candidate-following-inhumanity/dp/1463607504/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1403726479&sr=8-5&keywords=rick+hyatt

    Apparently, “Celiac Disease Symptomaticy” is a very useful attribute for long-term operatives, and is the key to being a “Manchurian Candidate.” Oh, and we’ll have to have a joint Presidency of Living Presidents until the next election (presumably as a result of Pat Boone getting serious about all this).

  77. Bonsall Obot says:

    83% of the month is gone; so far:

    The Birfer civil war proceeds apace, with new factions developing and lunatics picking sides.
    Michael Shrimpton is denied a visa to testify in a Birfer lawsuit that’s going nowhere anyway.
    Birfers can’t manage to muster more than a few dozen seditionists to protest The President at a graduation address in Irvine, California… just down the road from their Queen.
    Birfer and seditionist Brent Douglas Cole wounds two and gets wounded himself when he finally snaps, in Nevada County, California.
    The Klown Kar Krewe faces dissolution for being lying liars.
    Shurf Joke has been caught playing footsie with a consummate conman.
    Larry KKKlayman gets himself an ethics censure.
    Walt Fitzpatrick gets convicted. Again.
    Joey Farah gets arrested. Again.
    Orly Taitz loses an election. Again.
    Orly Taitz loses in court. Again .
    Orly’s website crashes due to incompetence. Again.
    She blames others. Again.

    All in one month.

    June is Birfin’ out all over.

  78. Suranis says:

    And Joe Mannix has not posted in the last 4 weeks

    http://intensedebate.com/people/Joe_Mannix

    Personally. I’m calling Doc’s identification of Mannix as Zullo as confirmed. DING!

  79. RanTalbott says:

    Suranis: And Joe Mannix has not posted in the last 4 weeks

    It’s summertime: he’s very busy making reruns. It’s much harder than making the originals, because you have to make sure you do absolutely everything exactly the same way you did it the first time.

  80. Dave says:

    Just came to my attention that Gordon Klingenschmitt is running for a seat in the Colorado legislature as a Republican, and he just won his primary. Found this at Wonkette, and they are best equipped to report a story this stupid, so: Colorado’s Greatest Demon Fighter, Gordon Klingenschmitt, Wins Primary for State House.

    I bring it up because Klingenschmitt is a birther, though that just scratches the surface of his wackiness.

  81. Benji Franklin says:

    Bonsall Obot: The Birfer civil war proceeds apace, with new factions developing and lunatics picking sides.

    Meanwhile, the anti-Birther conspiracy of practically every government official and the press corp and the military, is statically in place ready to advance upon and/or stifle God in his Heavens, should God give any indication of being pro-Obama, beyond already bestowing two Presidential terms upon Obama and smiting the Birther movement by sending them Taitz, Volin, Zullo, and the rest of the Birther Klown Cast!

  82. The Magic M says:

    Dave: I bring it up because Klingenschmitt is a birther, though that just scratches the surface of his wackiness.

    He’s a regular on “This Week in Crazy”, aka the one weekly wrapup of right-wing nuttyness everyone should read.

    Dave B.: we’ll have to have a joint Presidency of Living Presidents until the next election

    At least that’s a new idea, other than the usual “GWB is still Prez” or “the New Congress will crown me Prez because I iz Superbirther”.

    With 4 former Presidents still alive, do they resolve deadlocks by Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock? Or do they want Clinton out because he’s an ebil Demonrat?

  83. JPotter says:

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/24/fox-news-cites-birther-to-claim-nasa-faked-glob/199871

    Fox News cites birther to claim NASA faked global warming data.

    Cherrypicking years? moron doesn’t even know how to correctly malign the work.

    Trends, not points. Chess, not checkers.

  84. Lupin says:

    Dr. Conspiracy: Fox News cites birther to claim NASA faked global warming data.

    I assume all this insane refusal to listen to scientists started with something like the Koch brothers’ efforts to disseminate their pseudo-science in the 90s, but the way it spread like wildfire is truly astonishing.

  85. Lupin says:

    Another rich one on BR:

    ====

    If no announcement is made today on Freedom Friday, I am prepared to give my own….theories. Believe it or not, Miki Booth and butterdezillion are the driving force for my primary beliefs and theories today. My theories have been firmly grounded thanks to them since 2011. Certain recent Mark Gillar revelations have made me even more convinced.

    ====

    The hubris. The stupidity. “Welcome to the team, DZ-015!”

    Reading BR is like wandering inside a Terry Gilliam movie.

  86. JPotter says:

    Lupin: I assume all this insane refusal to listen to scientists started with something like the Koch brothers’ efforts to disseminate their pseudo-science in the 90s, but the way it spread like wildfire is truly astonishing.

    First, socially acceptable denial. Second, back to burning witches … or modern equivalents. Expertise being ridiculed, denounced as black magic, but in modern terms of course.

    Oh, wait, already happening. Contemplating the next step in the regression…

  87. Lupin says:

    JPotter: First, socially acceptable denial. Second, back to burning witches … or modern equivalents. Expertise being ridiculed, denounced as black magic, but in modern terms of course.

    Oh, wait, already happening. Contemplating the next step in the regression…

    I grew up with the images of the white shirted, short sleeved, scientists with pocket pencil holders straight out of a Robert Heinlein novel that were universally respected and mentioned to those around as examples to be admired. At least in the movies.

    The fantasy world of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER and FATHER KNOWS BEST presumably loved by the right-wing loons would never have tolerated any criticisms of the kind we routinely see now in US media directed at scientists and engineers.

    I just don’t know how the US as a society could regress that fast. Heinlein and Asimov would be so ashamed.

  88. The next step?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk&feature=kp

    JPotter: Oh, wait, already happening. Contemplating the next step in the regression…

  89. Apart from the obvious things that don’t make sense, I thought the Zombie infection part of the movie was pretty good. Zombie bites man, man becomes zombie in 11 seconds and they both run at you at full speed. Definitely a recipe for regressing the planet in a short time.

    JPotter: Can’t believe they spent 6 min on it LOL

  90. Bovril says:

    Not to worry our ever helpful government does actually have real honest to goodness plans for Zombies……

    http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/16/pentagon-zombie-plan/#continued

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/223872345/CONPLAN-8888

    It’s particularly disturbing that they have identified 4 new classes of Zombie….

    Evil Magic
    Space
    Vegetarian
    Chicken

    I am however heartened to know that legal advice has been taken and the Laws of War are not regarded as being applicable to the Zombie foe and that there is a Mission Statement…..

    (Probably initially put together by Larry Sellin, in PowerPoint)

  91. MattR says:

    I can’t resist posting this article about an election being contested in Oklahoma by the loser, Tim Murray (who received about 5% of the vote in the Republican primary after running as a Democrat in the previous election). From Murray’s press release:

    The election for U.S. House for Oklahoma’s 3rd District will be contested by the Candidate, Timothy Ray Murray. I will be stating that his votes are switched with Rep. Lucas votes, because it is widely known Rep. Frank D. Lucas is no longer alive and has been displayed by a look alike. Rep. Lucas’ look alike was depicted as sentenced on a white stage in southern Ukraine on or about Jan. 11, 2011.

    This is a situation similar to the Senators’ from Kentucky situation in the 2012 election. I am contesting that this matter has happen since his election was blocked, because of the U.S. Defense Department’s use of Mr. Murray’s DNA. To my knowledge, the U.S. Defense Department has not released to the public that information, as it is their confidential information about many people. Congress is likely wanting me to state that all my DNA used will not result in benefits to people I have never had relations with of a family nature. I have been bound to protect that information unless it causes harm to The People.

  92. Keith says:

    Dave: Just came to my attention that Gordon Klingenschmitt is running for a seat in the Colorado legislature as a Republican, and he just won his primary.

    See? THAT’s what happens when you have that one last doobie for the road just before you go to vote.

  93. Lupin says:

    Before you read this new gem from Birdbrain at BR, please find a Metallica album and play it at full volume. Your experience will be greatly enhanced:

    FALCON

    Since this is a thread on the “shock” topic – I’ll add my own. I don’t find anything happening in the Obama Administration shocking, nor do I find what his rebels are doing worldwide shocking. I predicted it and so did many others. There’s no need to claim any glory because it was a plain as the nose on your face. If you didn’t see it you’re an idiot.

    You don’t need tarot cards or soothsayers to clue you in. This is the Muslim agenda from top to bottom, side to side, and inside out. This is what you get when you put an unqualified potentate at the top of the heap. I totally predicted this years ago. I expect the next six months to be total calamity and the O-Holes to defend the debauchery, mayhem and upheaval.

    What I EXPECT at the end, is the total annihilation of all that supported this criminal empire and that’s why they have tried so hard to grab your guns. Fortunately, we’re going to have the last laugh, as always. History is our guide.

    It’s too late to go back to the America we loved. All we can do it righteously and Constitutionally restore the Republic. That means there will be a massive bloodbath on the horizon. And I’m going to personally shove the Georgia Guide Stones right up the asses of the elites, piece by piece by piece, brick by brick by brick. It’s a little dream I have that gets closer to reality everyday – and it’s like Christmas to hand down the retribution that the communists gave free reign to America enemies.

    I’ll be no where near as merciful.

    I’ll be playing the heaviest metal ever as I roll though commie town.

  94. Lupin says:

    For the more classically minded, NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN works just as well.

  95. RanTalbott says:

    Lupin: All we can do it righteously and Constitutionally restore the Republic. That means there will be a massive bloodbath on the horizon

    I take it that Birdbrain is not a Strict Constructionist?

    Or did I miss out because the nuns decided to not teach us about the part that prescribes mass murder as a remedy for an election not going your way?

  96. Lupin says:

    RanTalbott: I take it that Birdbrain is not a Strict Constructionist?

    More like Strict Demolitionist. 🙂

  97. Punchmaster via mobile says:

    Falcon will of course give up on his dreams of glorious bloodshed, upon realizing that it requires leaving his mom’s basement, and involves actual physical activity. Besides, he knows damned well what happens to lone wolves.

  98. I participated in a university-sponsored poll at YouGov this week that included a range of questions on the topic of when it’s right to overthrow the government. I hope the results get published.

    Lupin: [Quoting Falcon at BR] It’s too late to go back to the America we loved. All we can do it righteously and Constitutionally restore the Republic. That means there will be a massive bloodbath on the horizon.

  99. That, I have handy.

    Lupin: For the more classically minded, NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN works just as well.

  100. CarlOrcas says:

    Punchmaster via mobile:
    Falcon will of course give up on his dreams of glorious bloodshed, upon realizing that it requires leaving his mom’s basement, and involves actual physical activity. Besides, he knows damned well what happens to lone wolves.

    The only bloodbath he will see is when he stubs his toe coming up the stairs into the real world. Mom will not be happy with that mess.

  101. Arthur says:

    Now, I can’t say for sure that this motorcyclist is related to the birdboy of birferstan, but he sure talks like him. Enjoy watching him get his comeuppance.

    http://samuel-warde.com/2014/06/karma-biker-experienced-cussed-reporter/

  102. Northland10 says:

    Lupin: Before you read this new gem from Birdbrain at BR, please find a Metallica album and play it at full volume. Your experience will be greatly enhanced:

    Lupin:
    For the more classically minded, NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN works just as well.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That, I have handy.

    I have both handy.

  103. Dave B. says:

    I’ve got Spike Jones’ greatest hits somewhere on 8-track. Will that do?

    Northland10: Lupin: Before you read this new gem from Birdbrain at BR, please find a Metallica album and play it at full volume. Your experience will be greatly enhanced:

    Lupin:
    For the more classically minded, NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN works just as well.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That, I have handy.

    I have both handy.

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  105. Keith says:

    Dave B.:
    I’ve got Spike Jones’ greatest hits somewhere on 8-track.Will that do?

    Don’t slip when Toothpase gets squeezed out on the rail and DON”T bet on Beetlebaum.

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