Sharon Rondeau, citizen journalist at the Post & Email web site, has interviewed Cold Case Posse commander Mike Zullo. In the interview, republished at Birther Report™, [cue the MAD-TV “Lowered Expectations” theme], Zullo is quoted:
The Post & Email spoke with Zullo, who told us that “there are going to be some findings that ‘birthers’ may find disturbing,” referring to those who specifically doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, as he claims.
Since his two original disastrously-wrong but detail-filled news conferences, Mike Zullo has been very closed lipped about his investigation, giving no one anything more to evaluate or criticize. This stonewalling has been remarkably successful in taking off the heat from critics and letting birthers’ imaginations run free, and their hopes soar.
More difficult to parse is another Zullo remark from the interview:
The public doesn’t understand the type of evidence required in a law enforcement investigation. The word “evidence” is often used to describe information that cannot be supported by its own weight. Evidence that cannot be supported or corroborated is in fact not evidence at all but often personal opinion or just mere speculation. Real evidence is something that provides proof to ascertain the truth in a proceeding. It has to stand the test of scrutiny, cross-examination and ultimately be determined to be factual and relevant.
Zullo puts that last in the context of speculation that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s real father, a speculation devoid of any proof says Zullo. He goes on to suggest that birthers are making him look bad, and he clearly is trying to distance himself and his investigation from the birther movement itself, says Rondeau:
Zullo believes that this is the type of activity which has diminished the credibility of the topic.
Of course it was Zullo himself who promoted all manner of crackpot image analysis, fake race code tables and unsupported tales at the beginning–but I digress.
Specifically, Zullo criticizes birthers trying to make sense of his intentionally ambiguous remarks, such as those on the Carl Gallups radio program. Zullo seems to be saying that birthers are mistaken when they think he is saying anything understandable [unplug irony meters]:
There is no room for this kind of rabid speculation. This is how wild rumors get started and then are repeated enough times that information-hungry audiences start to believe it to be factually correct.
Some have speculated that Zullo is making a subtle reference to Lawrence Sellin’s interpretation of a Zullo conversation to conclude that some Obots had turned coat and are assisting in the Cold Case Posse investigation (an absurd suggestion because no Obot has anything that could assist Zullo in proving his nonsense conspiracy theories). But even this speculation would be misguided if we listen to Zullo, who taken at his word, is telling us that it’s a mistake to try get any information out of anything he says. Zullo also promised another press conference. Because Zullo was widely criticized for not meeting his previous promises about press conferences, he’s not setting a date for this next one.
Poor Joel Gilbert. Made a whole movie about Frank Davis being Obama’s real father, only to be throwed under the bus by Mikey Zullo.
I noticed that in that whole lengthy interview, Zullo never mentioned Reed Hayes or his most excellent report as President Obama’s personal document examiner.
That report must not even reach Zullo’s high standards for competence and integrity. Zullo himself may have spotted some serious flaws in Hayes’s methodology. At the CCP HQ, they probably keep that report in a steel-lined underground tank so it don’t stink up the joint.
“The Post & Email spoke with Zullo, who told us that “there are going to be some findings that ‘birthers’ may find disturbing,” referring to those who specifically doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, as he claims.”
Is this Zullo’s way of us that Obama WAS INDEED born in Hawaii and that birth certificate is Legit?
This does not sound good.
I could see where a Birther might find it disturbing that Obots have evidence but all Zullo has is “evidence”
Zullo attempts to reclaim high ground.
If only he even knew what high ground looks like.
“Good luck …. you’ll need it!”
It’s amazing how stupid Zullo must think his pathetic followers truly are. Zullo is at the heart of the problem, but he is apparently too blinded by his magnificence to see. He has stirred the Birther pot for years with his unprofessional fireside radio chats to his believers. Now he’s paying the price for his lack of professionalism. But, what should one expect from someone who is not a real cop?
So how did that so-and-so think any of the stuff HE was promoting was genuine evidence? The Alan Hulton story comes immediately to mind…
When I first read it, this was my impression, but after reading more closely, the part about “born in Hawaii” was simply an editorial note by Rondeau explaining what a ‘birther’ is and probably has no special significance.
It could be that Zullo has discovered the easily-verifiable fact that Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has all the characteristics of a scanned paper document, and not something made in Photoshop. It would seem to me pretty hard for him not to know this by now, given the publicity RC and NBC’s results has gotten. Surely he’s gotten a zillion “what about this Xerox theory” emails from birthers looking for a lifeline.
I’m in the camp that thinks this was a response to the Sellin interview as well as feelings of being slighted.
On Boyles show, Sellin said that the investigation was going to be shut down last fall “[b]ut then this whistleblower walked into Arpaio’s office” and gave them the universe shattering info.
In the Rondeau piece Zullo says, “Trust me; no one walked in and handed it to us.”
Zullo also seemed P.O. that Boyles has not had Carl Gallups on his show. Even though Gallups has approached Boyles twice recently to set up an interviews and been shunned both times. This line was telling,
“The guy closest to me, but not me, is Carl Gallups…that speaks volumes,” Zullo told us. “Everybody else on BirtherReport has appeared in Boyle’s interviews. Those folks have not been involved with this investigation over the past two years and have no idea of what I am doing or what we have uncovered, but Gallups he shuns,” Zullo observed. “This raises some questions. It amounts almost to media censorship.”
BTW, after this article came out Gallups will be on Boyles show this Friday. LOL
When told about the Canadian broadcast of the Conspiracy Show that had Denninger, Apuzzo and Berg on, Zullo reportedly said “why didn’t they ask me”.
IMO there are some hurt feelings in the birther mob.
Heh, maybe it’s because Zullo is never willing to say anything.
This “whistleblower” could have walked in and said, “if you shut it down this close to the whole Xerox workflow thing, all the remaining followers will think we caved to the Obots.” For those dependent on keeping their nuts in line, that would have shattered a few universes.
Idle speculation with absolutely no evidence can be fun.
Zullo says he stopped doing interviews because everything you say gets spun out of context while complaining that Boyles won’t interview Gallups who won’t say anything because it is a criminal investigation and everything he says will be spun out of context.
Are you saying that you believe Zullo over the state of Hawaii? That’s a bit like saying you’ll only believe the homeless guy on the corner over the Federal Reserve when he tells you that green piece of paper with the 3s in the corner and “Muny” written all over it may not actually be legal tender.
Such is the story of the birther…
So how does Zullo feel about the distractions by ‘evidence’ such as the artifacts in the PDF document which were shown to be created by the Xerox Workcenter workflow?
Will he ever take responsibility for that ‘research’?
My guess, based on this and recent responses Arpaio has made to interviewer questions on this topic, is that this investigation is not going to dispute that Obama was born in Hawaii, but is going to contend that the birth certificate is a forgery.
If so, the answer to your question is yes and no.
As for Zullo’s eccentric legal dance, notice how odd it sounds hearing an investigative Birther speak about what constitutes “real evidence”.
Notice how odd it sounds hearing John speak cynically about the investigation only now, when he had two years to learn what constituted real evidence AND notice that there was none to substantiate all the wild accusations hurled at Obama, and repeated enthusiastically by John. I do hope, John, that as you see the Birther porta-potty you bought into starting to turn upside down with you still in it, you question the wisdom of having added so much of your own crap to the stink pot that will soon fall back on you.
Lawyers are divided into two classes; Orly Taitz, and every other lawyer who ever lived.
Birthers are divided into two classes, the ones who DO KNOW and the ones who DON’T KNOW , that no Obama-dooming Birther theory of law or interpretation of the Constitution , if it were to be expressed in a court of law, could ever survive cross-examination or satisfy the rules of evidence. Zullo wants us to think he is a member of this class.
Some of the ones who know that their crank effort will be forever doomed to failure are disingenuously saying, claiming, or essentially guaranteeing otherwise, as part of an effort to excite and more profitably financially exploit their fellow dumber birther’s.
Others who also know the Quixotic Birther tantrum will never prevail in court, nevertheless continue the crap-storm of lies and fallaciously based accusations, hoping for ANY scrap of political damage, or, for their own LOSING CAUSE source of compensatory amusement, trying to peevishly bluff their target’s supporters into thinking that some ludicrous Birther initiative has some potential to hurt the President.
It sounds as though Mike Zullo is now going to try to escape his obligation to reveal the details of his promised “Universe-shattering” evidence against Obama, by pretending it took an ethical top-notch investigator like him, several years to discover that in all the dirt he and other Birthers have thrown at Obama for years, there is NO REAL EVIDENCE of Obama’s Birther-postulated ineligibility.
This attempt by Zullo to recover his claimed professional “dignity”, should be about as successful as John Dillinger cornered by police inside a bank he just robbed, trying to escape prosecution and keep the loot by informing the only surviving teller, that he’d like to use the stolen money right then to open a new saving account.
We ain’t buying it, MISTER Zullo!
Let’s hope they claim the forgery based on pdf artifacts.
…in an interview with Rondeau, the context of which is being on various birther sites.
When was the last time you heard a used car salesman say “Trust me”, and believed a word he said after that?
Why doesn’t that sound good, John? I thought you wanted the truth.
I guess getting hit with the reality that birthers have wasted the last six years of their lives is a bitter pill for you to swallow.
What is astonishing to me is that Zullo is willing to admit he regularly reads Gerbil Report, a website so crude and ridiculous that a single screenshot at a “universe shattering” Zullo press conference would seal his fate for ever. How does he ever hope to live that down?
John, BirdBoy really does not like you.
And why does the truth not sound good ? You like lies more ?
Oh, no. Oh no, no, no. Zullo now turns on birthers, proclaims to “disturb” them. Was he bribed or threatened by Obama thugs? The highly respected professional known as Dr. Orly Taitz is our only hope now. Why, Zullo, why?
No, it’s Zullo’s way of telling you that we’re right, and NOTHING that the birthers have ever produced is actual, admissible evidence.
That’s because you’ve spent years on the wrong side of the issue, believing a bunch of crap based on “evidence” that wouldn’t prevail in a junior high school intramural debate tournament.
If you’d subjected birther claims to the same level of scrutiny you apply to picking a restaurant for a dinner with a prospective girlfriend or business client, you wouldn’t be in this pickle.
Oh, yeah: I really want to see that “NSA document” on how scanning a piece of paper through a Xerox removes the metadata.
(Actually, it occurs to me that it does do that, in a limited sense: if you scan and re-print, you can print on different paper, which would remove some possibly-valuable clues about the document’s origin. I wonder if Zullo’s dumb enough to believe that’s relevant in this case. Oh, wait: I don’t actually wonder about that).
I give it a week and you will haven forgotten what Zullo said and be back on the “any day now” train. Because obviously you’ve become a yokozuna in shielding your brain from anything that might challenge your confirmation bias.
It will definitely increase birfer traffic over there since now they think they can talk to Zullo directly by posting there.
“It is of no concern.”
I’m not so sure. The Xerox issue is so complicated that only a single birther (Hermitian) bothered to delve deeply into it. For most birthers, it is too complicated to even bother thinking about it. They just dismiss it in whatever way suits them best.
We all know birthers take “it’s a forgery” as a premise, not a conclusion. So unless someone proves to them, according to their own standards, that it’s impossible for it to be a forgery, they will just ignore the Xerox issue as “doesn’t prove it’s *not* a forgery” and move on.
In German, we have a saying: “Was kümmert mich mein dummes Geschwätz von gestern?” (“Why should I take into account the dumb stuff I said yesterday?”)
The other guests at least make up interesting crap. Gallups has not said a single substantive new thing in more than a year. We all know what he will say (and not say) tomorrow morning, so why would Boyles want him on the show?
Oh… me too, Also.
Ever since I first heard about that I’ve been trying to find the metadata in my own birth certificate without success. I’ve held it up to the light, repeatedly right clicked on it with a mouse… nothing, The damned piece of paper keeps its secrets well.
After three years of “investigation,” Mike Zullo admits that he has no evidence that can be “supported or corroborated.”
After three years of “investigation” the “work” of the “Cold Case Posse” has resulted in not a single subpoena being issued or a single criminal charge being filed.
After nearly six years serving as this nation’s President, not a single member of Congress has stated Mr. Obama is ineligible to serve and not a single civil court case or election challenge has succeeded in disqualifying Mr. Obama.
The only universe that has shattered is the one the denizens of Gerbil Report inhabit.
The only guts that have wrenched belong to those who have wasted so much of their time and energy trying to justify their misbegotten beliefs.
The only national media personalities trying to sell this snake oil have taken up day jobs barking in carnival tents.
Wow. The wind has really been knocked out of John’s sails. Not a single defiant rebuttal.
Looks like someone’s universe has been…shattered.
http://www.myinstants.com/instant/yeah/
john its never too late to confess and repent!
Get on your hands and knees, face Mecca, and pray for forgiveness!
Oh, he was plenty Birfery in the chat for Volin’s show last night. I was actually surprised to see him there, since he’s been so demoralized lately. But he was all-in.
i love this quote from the comments at gerbil report:
“I believe that a lot of the speculation was created by paid Obama agents to bury the Obama ineligibility issue in a pile of wild conspiracy theories and to generally discredit any challenges to Obama’s eligibility.”
when asked not to speculate, the birthers speculate about who is speculating.
A tribute to the genius of Joseph Heller.
I think Zullo’s news that will disturb birthers will be that the CCP is ending its investigation. I think he will say they have irrefutable evidence that the BC is a forgery, but that the corruption in Hawaii and DC is so great that they couldn’t get anyone with any authority to act on their concerns, even though everyone everywhere agrees that the BC is fake. The only other way out of this that I can see is to just STFU forever and ever, which is obviously not the route he has chosen…at least not yet.
who was a fulbright scholar…….!!!!
John, that is a profound statement, but I’m not sure that you fully appreciate the implication you are making.
Let me ask you a question. Is it better for the United States that Obama was born in Hawaii, or would it be better for the country if he were exposed as a usurper?
I know how someone who truly loves this country would answer my question, but I’m anxious to hear your response.
There are two reasons that I doubt John will no reply to you:
1.) He is an android, and the paradox just made his head explode.
Or, and more likely:
2.) He doesn’t want to own up to his bigoted nature. He can’t bring himself to see that.
Don’t forget about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography
The sham is rapidly being exposed. There is no place for Zullo to hide. The cracks of doubt are showing among his true believers. My best guess, all that’s left is a tell all book documenting that his F-A-I-L-U-R-E is the fault of everyone else, including all those speculating Birthers who speculate as a result of the past 3 years of Zullo’s grandstanding on the radio, and posting under assumed names on Birther Report. It’s time to bring back the Edsel to this former used car salesman and ask for a refund. What a guy!
hmm last fall? This was after they had been pumping Reed Hayes for months. So if they were going to shut it down this means they knew the Reed Hayes nonsense was crap and pumped it anyway.
Dr. Ken:
“hmm last fall? This was after they had been pumping Reed Hayes for months. So if they were going to shut it down this means they knew the Reed Hayes nonsense was crap and pumped it anyway.”
Just like all the rest of the garbage they shovel to the true believers.
Benji give John time he needs to get new orders from corporate. As I’ve learned time and again John has his period of doubt which quickly subsides when he hears a new excuse from his birther comrades.
Of course he does he used to post there under Joe Mannix.
Well, y’know, official law enforcement investigators often have to bravely enter unsavory places in their search for leads and evydunce.
I’m sure Zullo told his wife just that to explain why he and Foreman spent the afternoon “researching” the nudie bars in D.C., looking for one where Obama’s minion might’ve hooked up with the forger.
The comrades who hate him like poison.
T-shirts for all birfers:
I BIRFED WHEN I SHOULDA’ FARTED.
But that would only make birthers demand he release his “irrefutable evidence”, and then it would again collapse under our scrutiny.
A more likely exit strategy will be to claim he was visited by the FBI and all his evidence seized, or something. That way he can
(a) continue to claim “we had Obama by the …”
(b) feed the belief that “the powers that be are protecting Obama”
(c) add additional credence to his “investigation” (“if there had been nothing to it, our stuff wouldn’t have been seized”)
(d) have a proper excuse for dropping out
And birthers have another 6 months to dream how “our VIP’s in Congress are behind it and will use it to impeach Obama”, followed by some years of “they swept it under the rug”.
That’s just too good to not do.
That, more or less, was my theory a while back: the final press conference would be “We’ve done all we can. Now it’s up to you to persuade Congress to act. So long, and thanks for all the BirferBux. But please do spend a few more of them on our new e-book.”.
A reasonable assumption, but one that only holds in the real world. I spend more time than I should whacking birfers with clue-by-fours, and the most visible result is that I won’t need to chop any wood to keep the stove going this winter (although I like to believe that seeing my rebuttals alongside their BS deters some of the gullible from being sucked in). The remaining birthers really are a cult: they’ve withdrawn inside their reality-proof bubble, and convinced themselves they already have that “irrefutable evidence”. Any attempt to disabuse them of their quasi-religious beliefs just becomes another aspect of The Giant Conspiracy.
All Zullo needs to do is throw out something like “the NSA Document” to convince them the Xerox evidence is “of no concern”, and maybe add some gibberish that appears to bolster the DARPA and/or “Soros’ online army” delusions, and he’ll leave nearly all of them applauding.
I’m here today, all broken-hearted,
Because I birfed, when I should’ve farted.
Since Nov ’08, I’ve acted retarded,
#44 won the vote, and it was recorded,
A black POTUS? My mind’s distorted.
I checked my drawers, and I’d actually sharted,
Taitz and Zullo took cash, and really partied,
Hawaii was the spot, and Birfers bought it,
Taitz has stopped screeching, and that’s to be applauded,
But ALL OF THIS COULD’VE BEEN AVOIDED,
But I chose to birf, when I shoulda farted.
RanTalbott:
“That, more or less, was my theory a while back: the final press conference would be “We’ve done all we can. Now it’s up to you to persuade Congress to act. So long, and thanks for all the BirferBux. But please do spend a few more of them on our new e-book.”
You’ve exposed Zullo’s escape hatch. The only other possibility, Arpaio announces Zullo is really an electric Zu-bot, and has blown a fuse, and the Shurf can’t find his box of spare fuses. “Investigation” over.
Zu-bot………
http://www.youtube.com/embed/xGyQM3wfTfs?autoplay=1
Off topic somewhat – i generally only lurk – but who the hell is mike zullo, really? BR “correspondents” keep referring to him as an experienced retired defective (sp intentional) from NJ.
All i can find was on the RC blog where …”he told a room full of reporters that he had five years of experience as a police officer in Demarest, NJ. ….. the Demarest Police Department currently employs nine police officers. Zullo also reportedly worked as a private investigator before moving to the Valley in the early 1990s. For the past 20 years, Zullo has worked in the car sales business, most recently serving as president and CEO of the company, Autotruth”. A used call salesperson’s company is named autotruth?
and you can retire after 5 years with the PD ? sweet.
Anyway – if someone can point me to more detail, that’d be fun
You pretty much have it. Zullo really did service as an officer in the Demarest, NJ, Police Department, a very small department (that has no detectives). This is no reason to think he “retired” from that position. The circumstances of his departure are not publicly known.
He was in the used car business, I think with his father. Autotruth, as I understand it, is a company that serves as a go-between between car buyers and sellers, claiming to the best deal for the customer, and raking off a cut of the transaction.
Most recently Zullo was a full-time day trader in stocks. See my article, and linked article by Floyd Brown:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/04/the-re-branding-of-mike-zullo/
That much is public information, and I’m not going to go beyond that. One cannot help but speculate that Zullo personally benefits from donations to the Cold Case Posse, but there is no proof of that–the Cold Case Posse does not report its income and expenses to the IRS nor to the Sheriff’s Office.
The only real question s, is Zullo a thieving grifter, a deluded true believer, a racist and bigoted feckwit or D….all the above.
Guess what my vote is… 😈
Jack Fletcher
“BR “correspondents” keep referring to him as an experienced retired defective (sp intentional) from NJ.”
Zullo is very well thought of over at BR. They’ve all consumed the Zul-Aid.
The most I could get out of the Demarest Police Department was that he once was a police officer there and he moved with his family to Arizona.
I was told that nobody currently working there was there when Zullo was a cop. It’s unclear when he moved to Arizona, but it likely was at least 20 years ago. I found a UCC filing from 1996 for a business called MZ Ventures, LLC. Both Michael P. Zullo and Michael J. Zullo are listed as debtors.
I have a photo of the Demarest Borough Hall and Police Department which I can e-mail to you if you’d like to post it. It’s a very modest two-story brick building.