Thanks to Loren for a note about my brief mention on the Peter Boyles (pictured right) KNUS radio show yesterday. There we learn that “cats walk by themselves.” Then Boyles got into his Obama sweet spot. The guest was Alan Jones (followed later by Terry Lakin).
Jones has a degree in “interdisciplinary studies” and worked as a stock broker. He says that he got interested in the Obama topic through writing about Terry Lakin.
Jones experienced what I have also experienced, writing something on the Wikipedia only to have it quickly reverted (undone) by someone else. In his case, he was trying unsuccessfully to create a main entry for Terry Lakin. I note that there is now in the Wikipedia a section on Terry Lakin in the Barack Obama Presidential Eligibility Litigation article, as well as a main article on the Court-martial of Terry Lakin.1 When I had problems getting material into the Wikipedia, I worked to understand the Wikipedia rules, did a better job of sourcing the material, and ultimately got my change in. Jones had a different perception:
That’s when I realized that there are operatives out there, whose job is to make sure that the story of Barack Obama does not get out. I then went on to start writing for the Washington Times community where I broke a number of stories…
One of those articles was about what he perceived as a scheme to dispose of microfilm copies of Obama’s selective service records, a theory I responded to 2012.
At about 11 minutes into the interview, I got a mention:
And it’s interesting now that you bring up the concept of attack dog [in reference to Mother Jones and Media Matters] there’s this self-appointed expert out there named Dr. Conspiracy [Jones: “yep”] that’s not a doctor of anything. His name is Kevin Davidson, and he runs a web site in which he is the attack dog that attacks anyone who dares to question the official narrative of Obama’s [two talking over each other]. Well if you look into his background, he’s actually been a fraud prevention committee member at the National Association for Public Health Statistics and Information Systems.2
This is an outfit called NAPHSIS. Well do you know who was recently appointed President of NAPHSIS in 2008?3 A guy named Dr. Alvin Onaka…. I find it very curious that Dr. Conspiracy is connected to the organization that was headed by Dr. Onaka.
Boyles then goes on to mention Eleanor Nordyke and Jones says:
Back in, I think it was 2012, she came out of the woodwork, nobody had ever heard of her, and she reached out to the media and actually was published in a very radical media organization called the Women’s [inaudible] that was set up by Jane Fonda…
Of course the more knowledgeable of us will remember that there was a feature article on her in the Honolulu Advertiser way back in 2008.
I think Alan Jones would have literally exploded if he had known that I am the one who created the Wikipedia Article on Alvin T. Onaka. 😯
1It makes sense that Terry Lakin shouldn’t have an article since he is personally not notable except for his court-martial, and that already has an article. The concept of “notable” is sort of like “standing” in that you have to take some effort to understand it well.
2To look into my background in this instance means to read my web site.
Good lord! You’ve worked to prevent fraud in public health statistics? You awful, awful man!
That’s what Kleenex and old socks are for.
Congrats Doc! You have now consumed about 22 seconds of your allotted 15 minutes of fame. It doesn’t get any better than that!
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I think Alan Jones needs to get some his facts right. Alvin Onaka wasn’t President of NAPHSIS in 2008, it was 2002 long long before Obama entered the picture. Even if Doc C is a member of NAPHSIS now, I don’t see how that has any relavence to Onaka. He is long gone as President. And even if Doc C knew Onaka in 2002, it was 5 years before anyone even heard of Obama, so I don’t see what relavence that has. If Alan Jones can show some sort RECENT connection of Alan Onaka to Doc C, I will be impressed. So far, nothing along that line has been shown.
“Back in, I think it was 2012, she came out of the woodwork, nobody had ever heard of her, and she reached out to the media and actually was published in a very radical media organization called the Women’s [inaudible] that was set up by Jane Fonda…”
Responding to Doc C’s comment, Jones says “I think” so maybe he’s not absolutely sure. Nevertheless, If Alan Jones wants us to believe he is as credible and knowledgable as he wants people to believe, he needs to be sure.
John,
“If Alan Jones can show some sort RECENT connection of Alan Onaka to Doc C, I will be impressed. So far, nothing along that line has been shown.”
They both live on planet earth. That’s all it takes for Birthers to make a connection.
Birthers have never met a logical fallacy they didn’t like, especially, post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Obama came to national prominence in 2004, when he gave the keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention. He also was elected to the U.S. Senate that year, trouncing Alan Keyes 70%-27%.
Hence the rather convincing theory that there are 27% of absolute lunatics in the US electorate.
But currently they’re mainly reduced to playing “Six Degrees of Separation”. If A worked at a company where B also worked and B is a member of C that supported D for whom E worked, A is connected to E. Now replace A and E with two arbitrary people from the vast realm of birther lore and you have something for birthers to obsess over for days.
Eleanor Nordyke? Birthers have known her since the release of the COLB when the Nordyke BC was pimped as “this is what a real Hawaiian BC looks like”.
But I knew it was only a matter of time until she was thrown under the bus, too. (Not sure if Butter-“everything ever is a forgery”-dezillion has included the Nordyke BC in her “they’re all fake” rant, but wouldn’t be surprised.)
It’s amusing that several of them focus on the fact that you’re “not really a doctor”, as if by putting “Dr.” in front of your name, you’re trying to pull something over on the world. Have they never heard of Dr. Demento? Doc Savage? The Lawn Doctor? The Rug Doctor? The Doctor of Love? Dr. Feel Good?
“That’s when I realized that there are operatives out there, whose job is to make sure that the story of Barack Obama does not get out. I then went on to start writing for the Washington Times community where I broke a number of stories…”
I wonder if Jones would agree that I should be allowed to go into Conservapedia articles and change them to my point of view and they should stand without ANY challenge.
LOL
It’s funny how Doc has never claimed to be a real doctor. All they have to do is go on his about section. I’ve had people on the birther side complain about your username as well even though I’ve always stated it was a joke from the movie Anchorman.
Is Peter Boyle really a peter boil?
What’s this? John sounding reasonable? John, I never knew you had it in you. You actually sound like you’re off the crazy train in this post. Could there be some hope that you’re recovering from your delusions?
Let us not forget Dr. Johnny Fever on that great American broadcast instituion WKRP in Cincinnati
Perhaps like this one: Things just got very hot for climate deniers’ favorite scientist
I used to say (around 2010ish I think) that the way the birthers behaved was like an organized tag team match. For a while there one birther would come on with the full-monty of ‘complaints’ and as soon as they had been knocked down, another would come along and start from scratch. Now there were surely sock-puppetry involved, but I suspect Doc would have noticed if it was the same poster over and over again.
My point being, the posting flurries were ORGANIZED, multi-player, and scripted.
Given that there are folks who have no compunction against buying scientists to lie about existential threats to the planet, I have no doubt that some of those posting ‘clubs’ were pay for play.
And Dr. John the Night Tripper!
Keith, it wouldn’t surprise me that money changed hands in several different ways. Unfortunately for them, sock puppets don’t donate to their causes. 😛
Obama also had articles written about him in the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune and Sun-Mirror in 1990 when he was elected President of Volume of the Harvard Law Review.
Its “Boyles” and there’s more than one on that Peter! Anybody remember Boyles’ calling Kapi’olani Hospital back in 2011? It was the week of the release of the long form. Boyles talked with a hospital receptionist who answered his call and tried to get her to say that Obama wasn’t born there, to no avail.
The birthers have a pretty good list of doctors with impressive credentials to bolster their knowledge of presidential eligibility. Let’s review:
Dr. Laurie Roth – Ph.D in counseling with an emphasis on alcohol and drugs from Oregon State University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Roth
Dr. Kate Vandemoer – received a Ph.D. in Watershed Management from the University of Arizona in 1988. Drkate is president and CEO of her own company focusing on the management and protection of watersheds and water resources. – (See more at: http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/partners/105-katevandemoer.html#sthash.LWIeOnWB.dpuf )
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., DDS – need I say more?
PIGLET: Well, what seems to be the trouble?
GALAHAD: They’re doctors?
ZOOT: Uh, they have a basic medical training, yes. Now, you must try to rest. Dr. Winston! Dr. Piglet! Practice your art!!
Indeed! Many Doctors, Attorneys, Journalists, Sheriffs and Pastors support the Birther movement. How can such respectable credentialed people all be wrong???!!!
Make that “believe in the birther religion”.
Good thing we have the only Doctor who matters…
(I’ve already given it away, but of course it’s the one with the time machine so he could forge all those docs back in 1961 when Obama decided to run in 2007 ;)).
27% people voted for that certifiable lunatic Alan Keyes. Maybe you should rename your country the United Asylums of America.
You would be surprised at the number of highly intelligent professionals who fall for the Nigerian 419 e-mail scams.
Having an advance degree doesn’t mean someone has common sense or critical thinking skills.
You’re either trying to pull a fast one on low information individuals, or you yourself are low information in regard to mathematical logic. Many does not mean most. I would hazard that the vast majority of lawyers and journalists for sure and probably most in the other categories consider birthstone barnyard waste. I would venture that the brother community as a whole averages out to be on the low information side of the bell curve.
Dagnabbit my auto correct did it to me again. I failed to notice that it changed birther to birthstone.
be on the low information side of the bell curve.
I once read those scams were deliberately bad to make sure only those stupid enough to fall for anything would even answer those emails (as anyone even remotely skeptical could be lost in the process, making the scammer waste valuable time).
I think this high crazification factor is due to some circumstances particular to the US, like home schooling, strength of the religious aspect in political life etc. It’s quite likely a higher influx of immigrants will cut that down to size in the future.
No reference to Doc C. would be complete without Lucas Daniel Smith making a kinda creepy video.
Sarcasm is hard to express on the Internet.
Maybe people voted for Keyes merely because they just voted for the Republican candidate, being unaware or non-interested in Keyes’ degree of craziness?
And as long as we’re on the subject of really smart people saying really silly things…
M, I’ve known a lot if immigrants, and I’ve known a lot of people who trace their roots in the USA through many generations. While I agree that the particular brand of crazy that manifests itself as birtherism is a predominantly caucasian/Christianian, self-proclaimed “native” phenomenon, I don’t see a higher rate of rational thinking in general among immigrants. Ridiculous beliefs and superstition do not have borders. However, If you’ve got some kind of peer-reviewed scientific study to back up your comment, I’m all eyes, as my personal experience may not be indicative of the whole population.
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Keyes wasn’t even from Illinois. The Illinois Republicans brought him into the state because the party had no one else to run. IMO, they thought they could trick Chicagoans into voting for Keyes, based on the Republican false view that black voters are uninformed and will vote based on race.
How can that be when Barack Obama announced his senate candidacy long before Alan Keyes? Alan Keyes was brought on board 86 days before the election to try to fend off a Democratic win.
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I don’t understand your question–sounds like we are saying the same thing. They brought in Keyes to try to get some black votes away from Obama. Of course, it didn’t work.
When Jack Ryan dropped out of the race, and Alan Keyes came on to replace him, black voters had no other choice than to vote for a black candidate. Your quote confused me because both Obama and Keyes were black candidates. I guess you are correct though, they tried to confuse voters by placing another black candidate on the ballot with an (R) behind his name.
Alan Jones will be on Mike Volins show today.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificatexcom/2015/03/05/alan-jones-with-incredible-info-about-obamas-forged-id-controversy
Promise of startling information.
Volin, who was supposedly fired as a Maricopa County Cold Case Posse Member?
In reviewing Wikipedia based on Doc’s article, I found this:
Florida[edit]
Two lawsuits filed in state court, including one filed by Larry Klayman, seek to have Obama declared ineligible.[126][127] Joe Arpaio, the sheriff for Maricopa County, Arizona, submitted in support of Klayman’s suit an affidavit stating “there is probable cause that [Obama’s birth certificate] is a forgery.”[128] Klayman also sent Arpaio a subpoena directing him to appear in the Florida courtroom.[129] The suit filed by Klayman was dismissed on June 29, 2012.[130]
If the case was originally brought in on behalf of Arpaio, would it be necessary to send a subpoena?
I’m ignorant of court procedures having fallen under the protection of the formerly Federally incarcerated, now deceased by my own hand (Abel Danger, witness, who may or may not have placed a bomb on a Miami commercial airline).
I have called Larry Klayman on several occassions. His voice mail box is (conveniently?) always full. Although, to give him credit, there was an attempt at contact via FaceBook. He seemed to be aligned with Ted Cruz and his legal secretary was so sloppy that she forgot to send me a confirmation email for an online meeting. I guess she just had better things to do.
As for Alan Jones, just more BS distraction to keep people from learning the truth.
Do you think they’ll talk about Volin’s dismissal? Or, shy away from the subject altogether?
Volin was never a member of the Maricopa county cold case posse. Arpaio has brought no birther case to court.
If you’re too crazy for Larry Klayman to talk to…..
Oh my God! Is that actually a thing?!
That’s all so true. The other day I ventured into the darker sides of German cranks on YouTube, and the comment sections are almost worse than the birther echo chambers (I’m currently trying to take a guy up on his bet that our chancellor is not a human being). Same hatred, same level of word salad, and, frighteningly, same numbers of people (though our population is smaller).
The only difference I see w.r.t. the US is that I’ve yet to see German lawmakers make any of the crazy statements I read from yours every other day, or Bible thumpers elected to high office, or a general crazification factor of 27% manifesting itself in everyday politics (e.g. with our multi-party system, you rarely have two parties surpassing the 27% line, but if you lump together all sane parties, you don’t get more than 10% voting for the crazies, and even those may largely consist of protest voters, not devoted followers).
Now I’m not talking about hateful statements from politicians (we get that over here, too) but the “global warming is a hoax” or “our head of state supports the enemy” or “our head of state is a secret [whatever]” material.
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IMO, to understand the “tea party” (aka, the sickness in the Republican Party), here is the formula:
Lee Atwater + Roger Ailes + Karl Rove = Sarah Palin et al.
Perhaps you know that Lee Atwater, before untimely dying of cancer, unburdened his conscience publicly. See, e.g., http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy#