There could be some big announcements in the case soon and forthcoming.
— Carl Gallups
— Facebook January 2013
Sheriff Arpaio & Mike Zullo Are Saying Investigation Press Conference Forthcoming
— Carl Gallups
— Freedom Friday February 2015
My habit is to goad the birthers by explaining the Posse’s years of silence, saying “they have nothing.” That’s true in the sense that it is unlikely that the Cold Case Posse, with no manpower to speak of, no resources, and no expertise, would scoop everyone else in the country in uncovering some infamous crime related to Obama’s presidency. My reason might apply to a real law enforcement investigation where standards of evidence apply, but what does that have to do with the Cold Case Posse?
Mike Zullo, fronted by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, presented a raft of issues in his first two press conferences. The standards of evidence didn’t come into play in the selection of that material–arguments and evidence that utterly fell apart under scrutiny. Looking behind the curtain, we found conspiracy theorist author Jerome Corsi feeding much of the bogus evidence. We still don’t know how the fake race code table from the Daily Pen Blog made it to the Posse, but we know Corsi had a hand in getting a bogus confirmation of it. Even with Corsi apparently out of the birth certificate business, there must still be many birther sleuths with their own pet theories being sent to Mike Zullo. I cannot believe that the absence of a third press conference can be attributed to a lack of material. As we know, birthers believe anything, and Zullo is easily fooled. I suppose it is possible that Mike Zullo is too busy pursuing other ways of making a living, to assemble a presentation with the appropriate official-sounding trappings.
In my mind, a strong contender for an explanation is to avoid embarrassing questions. Since the 2nd press conference, two mini scandals arose: Zullo’s acceptance of $10,000 for his personal use from a birther who was also supplying material to the Posse’s investigation, and the disclosure that Arpaio had paid over $100,000 to a con man for evidence supposedly related to the Justice Department (I think this was the source of the universe-shattering revelation that fizzled). If a press conference were held, hard questions about these would certainly be appropriate.
While I think it unlikely, it is conceivable that members of Arpaio’s staff, some of whom are serious professionals, have counseled the Sheriff about the poor quality of the Cold Case Posse work product and that Arpaio has required that any new material be vetted by real detectives. That would effectively screen out anything birther.
It might be that yet another press conference, followed by no indictment, would highlight for the birthers the futility of the entire exercise.
One final possibility is that the difficult situation Arpaio faces with a federal judge scrutinizing his department, and threatening contempt of court against Arpaio, might have convinced him that now is the time to keep his head down and not make bogus accusations against the President.
Whatever the underlying reasons, I think that the most reasonable explanation for the silence is that Joe Arpaio considers it not to his political advantage that a press conference be held.
(I’m assuming that no press conference is actually forthcoming. If it really were forthcoming, then the appropriate thing would be to announce the press conference and give a date.)
The full Gallups quote from 2013 is:
PPS has been in direct contact with the Sheriff Arpaio investigation. We have just again been assured by Lt. Mike Zullo lead investigator that the investigation and potential angles of prosecution are still going full steam ahead. Just because it’s not in the news right now does not mean they are not feverishly working on the matter. There could be some big announcements in the case soon and forthcoming.
Somebody gave Giddyup a brand new word, which I can pretty well guarantee he neither found for himself nor knew the meaning of until someone handed it to him. I must say it doesn’t take much to catch his attention, bright and shiny theory.
I have to agree with both Doc and Foggy on this one. I think the silence from our favorite one man comedy routine is likely due to Zullo running out of lies and the shurf having bigger fish or in this case his own hind end to keep out of the fire. While I concede that it is possible that the shurf actually does have some competent people working for him, the laws of probability and Murphy insist on it, I can’t imagine any real competent, and more importantly, honest member of the unit would want anywhere near this albatross. I mean being really in law enforcement and serious about your work would preclude any real professional from coming within spitting distance of something like this for fear of it permanently destroying their credibility. In pretty much the same way our favorite handwriting analyst will never again sit in a court room for fear of getting his credentials impeached and himself laughed out of the court room. I mean, can you imagine a real LEO getting grilled by a defense attorney whose first question was “what was your part in the infamous Cold Case Posse fraud?” or something to that effect, thus ending any chance of them ever testifying in court again. I just can’t see anyone who wanted to stay in the field who would willingly go anywhere near something like this. I think the posse is down to one individual who is skeered witless, not a far leap I agree, to show his shadow.
Doc C,
“There could be some big announcements in the case soon and forthcoming.”
— Carl Gallups
— Freedom Friday January 2013
“Sheriff Arpaio & Mike Zullo Are Saying Investigation Press Conference Forthcoming”
— Carl Gallups
— Freedom Friday February 2015
In the words of the great, former New York Yankee great, Yogi Berra, “It’s déjà vu all over again.”
Of course Yogi was referring to back to back home runs hit by Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle. I see no back to back home runs forthcoming from Arpaio & Zullo and their investimagination or a third press conference.
I thought it rather effective to pair those two quotes, over two years apart, but saying essentially the same thing. I was lucky that I came across the older one and made it the quote of the day not so long ago that it was still fresh in my mind.
The article has been corrected to say that the 2013 Gallups quote is from Facebook, rather than Freedom Friday.
I agree with your “most reasonable explanation”.
Arpaio will do what serves him best……in his opinion.
Former Deputy Chief Brian Sands talked about the competent staff at the Sheriff’s Office in his book, “Arpaio De Facto Lawman.”
“One final possibility is that the difficult situation Arpaio faces with a federal judge scrutinizing his department, and threatening contempt of court against Arpaio, might have convinced him that now is the time to keep his head down and not make bogus accusations against the President.” – sounds quite plausible. I used to call the MCSO a few times a week and ask if there was any investigation going on having to do with the Birther issue. The MCSO contact on the other end of the phone always said no. Perhaps I should try calling and see if I can leave a message for Mike Zullo and find out if they will forward the message or connect me with him? LOL
any year now…
If another press conference IS forthcoming – including the highly anticipated “universe shattering” information – why on earth would they spend time and energy sending out the latest Sheriff’s Kits just a few months ago with the same stale information from previous kits. Even birther dead-enders like john admit that they contain no useful information.
You’d think the CCP could have coordinated with Volin to wait a few months, THEN send them out with the new “universe shattering” info for maximum effect.
RC can give you Zullo’s private number. Zullo leaked it a while back.
It has been pointed out to me that Sheriff Joe’s usual response to bad news (see: The Joe Show) is to stage a media distraction. In this case the bad news is Judge Show’s contempt hearing of Arpaio April 21-24. To me it would seem that a birther event would be a very bad choice for a distraction, but I could be wrong.
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The problem here is that the Judge would not be distracted by a media event, and likely the Judge would be annoyed by it.
But the point is not to distract the judge; the point is to distract the birthers — into opening their wallets.
Ok, this is weird. A bit off-topic, but… Falcon has a post up on the thread “Gallups: Sheriff Arpaio & Mike Zullo Are Saying Investigation Press Conference Forthcoming”, with a screen grab of his profile page and arrows pointing to two of his “Last 5 visitors”. One is Doc, the other is “deletemyaccountyouassholes”, which is ME. I changed the name of my account to that months ago, because it pissed me off that they actually don’t let you delete your information.
Falcon’s caption reads “Someone just shit his pants with this announcement,” which I assume was referring to me, as if I was trying frantically to disassociate myself from the “Obots”.
But here’s the thing — I hadn’t visited Falcon’s page in weeks at least, quite possibly months! Which can only mean one of 2 things: Either Falcon had saved that screen grab from a LONG time ago… or he’s been doing a little creative Photoshopping to make himself seem… relevant?
I think the latter. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the sell date on birtherism is expiring and they are trying to keep the movement alive (and the money flowing).
At MCSO? I want to see if MCSO is still admitting they are associated with Zullo. Calling his home wouldn’t serve the purpose. Does Zullo still answer at an MCSO number?
I really can’t imagine that Zullo is exactly popular back at the ranch these days after having twice publicly and humiliatingly failed the shurf. In fact, him actually having any kind of presence there could be construed as as use of county funds for an unauthorized purpose i should think. My suspicion is that the Montgomery affair is what pretty well put the final nails in the coffin after that blew up so spectacularly in the shur’s face as it were. I would suspect at this point that the shurf has quit taking Zullo’s calls, another reason for the resounding silence, and that the only reason he even gets mentioned at all is if the shurf gets backed in to a corner and has to respond. If you think about it, it would appear that the ice began to really form in earnest about the time of the presser that didn’t happen when the local paper blew the gaff about Joe’s super duper, gonna get that meddling judge now, pretend fake document and computer expert, well that and all the county money that apparently got funneled to him. i just can’t see any of that making him the shurf’s currentest BFF, not with his pathological penchant for not taking responsibility and having a scapegoat near by, and never forgiving a perceived slight.
MIke Zullo is not a household name here in Maricopa County, which you would expect if he failed so spectacularly. Most of Arpaio’s constituents have never heard of him and don’t care. I think it’s very possible Zullo is still answering a phone at MCSO. I will call tomorrow and see if they connect me to his phone or can forward a message.
I can’t imagine that he would have been a presence at any rate other than with the really very tiny nutburger faction(that’s Tea Party and other fruit loops in plain English) the Shurf was pandering to. He wasn’t a real cop, wasn’t a real posse member, and as near as I could tell, other than when he was salivating at the Shurf’s beck and call when they were doing a pretend presser, he was never seen. I just really can’t imagine he ever had much of any of a public presence. I wouldn’t be surprised that they at least still maintain a voicemailbox for him, although that might count as use of county funds as well. Will be interested to hear what you find out.
I was told had a mail slot.
Volin tried that last year, announcing that there would be a ShurfSkit 2.0 with all the new
bullevidence, and being embarrassed when The March Reveal™ turned into The Someday Show&trade.My take is that Volin and Kerchner got frustrated by the endless delays, and decided to do something on their own.
Volin was one of the reasons the March date got out. Supposedly he was on a call with Zullo and someone else and he blabbed his mouth saying something was going to happen in march.
Perhaps the best time is when Obama is at his weakest and when the media is most against him, that someone of credibility need to mention the birther issue and of course the Sheriff Arpaio investigation. So far, this has yet to happen. There been a few times where it got close where someone might have come out or the media was going against Obama, but every time that opportunity faded and Obama rebounded. Until such an event weakens Obama enough for the media to go against him, that will be time the birther issue gains it’s credibility. Unfortunately, Obama has less 2 years left in his term. It is highly unlikely the birther issue will ever get any credibility.
You really are desperate. Credibility and the birther movement don’t go hand in hand. Anytime someone has credibility who mentions birther claims instantly lose it.
Why do you hate America and the Constitution so much John?
Zullo claimed that just before the March Release, new information came forward that forced to be pushed off. It is a year later and there is no indication of any kind that information is forthcoming. It obvious Zullo’s resources are pityful in effort to get this “new” information
vetted.
There was never any new information John. Zullo found out anytime he opens his mouth he gets destroyed and loses what little credibility he has. Nothing will ever happen John. There is nothing to the birther claims.
Why do you hate America and the Constitution so much John?
I don’t think it’s “[blown] up so spectacularly” yet, and Arpaio is trying to avoid it doing so. Which it absolutely would do if he tried to peddle the load of horse manure Montgomery is presumed to have sold him ahead of the contempt hearing.
It would be good to hear from the Phoenix-area folks whether the story has drawn more interest from the local press than just a couple of mentions in the New Times.
Smearing a local judge to score political points is a little risky, but attacking a federal judge who’s about to decide whether to fine you, or maybe even lock you up, is a very large kettle of quite different fish.
And it’s an order of magnitude worse when the basis of the attack comes from a known con man who, even if the info were true, probably broke the law to get it. That’s an engraved invitation for criminal investigation and possible prosecution.
Some politicans don’t seem to have any concerns or qualms abut calling Obama a communist, a Muslim and a hater of America.
Given that it seems unlikely they would be shy about the “birther issue”…..if they thought there was anything to it, don’t you think?
What information? I’m not aware of any – new or old – that’s worth talking about.
I assume A/Z already held their 3rd press conference, their evidence shattered the universe and now we’re all stuck in a universe where they never had any evidence to hold their 3rd presser. 😉
Good luck waiting for that. Obama’s job approval is back at 50%. And with a Republican Congress not getting anything done, it’s highly unlikely it’s ever going to go down much.
Besides, the belief that just because people/media are critical of Obama they are willing to entertain the follies of total nutjobs is delusional at best.
It’s part of the black-and-white thinking among nutjobs that you’re always 100% for or 100% against someone.
John, you’re just so, well cute really isn’t the right word, but I’ll think of something eventually, when you try, clumsily, to be clever. Bless your poor little heart. It just must be such a struggle.
The thing is, that credible, and birfer just don’t go together, ever, there is no such thing as a credible birfer, and the minute someone who might be considered to be credible otherwise starts to birf, they lose ALL credibility, and the said can be said with ANYTHING having to do with the Shurfjoke frog fishing expedition. Definite credibility killer, like instantaneous. There is NO ONE who has any credibility who is going to tank their career by going anywhere near something like this that has no traction in reality. Birfers have had almost 8 years at this point, longer if you count the pre-election time to get their message across and get someone to take them seriously, and funny thing it hasn’t, no one does, it hasn’t changed, you’re bigger jokes now than when you started, if that is even possible.
Even the most sympathetic view of these events would lead to the conclusion that the vetting failed and the evidence didn’t stand up. I personally hold a less sympathetic view.
For our Australian readers: I think claims of new evidence were RS.
Do you listen to yourself? You are advocating for the fall of the president of the United States, and in turn, the fall of the United States itself. I bet you consider yourself a patriot too, don’t you? You are no patriot, John. You are a domestic enemy of my country.
It never was, but you keep praying that it will be released. Any. Day. Now! LMAO You are such a fool, John. they made a complete fool of you and you still cling to the empty promises. You don’t learn very quickly, do you?
You mean the goods from Zullo that you already agreed he does not have. Weren’t you going on about how this was all purely academic at this point? In addition to being a complete idiot, and a domestic enemy who hates the US Constitution, you also have the short term memory of a gold fish.
He just can’t quit the CCP fantasy and the constant wishing and hoping that they will follow through. LOL He had a moment of clarity recently and then dismissed it. He is addicted to the Birther mindset.
You have this backwards. The “universe shattering” information shouldn’t have to wait for the right time. It should be the catalyst for those things you wait and hope for – a drop in Obama’s popularity, the “media to go against him,” and the birther issue gaining credibility (you gotta chuckle at that last one.)
Of course, for that to happen, the birthers have to offer some compelling evidence, something that can be verified independently and withstand any scrutiny from the mischievous Obots.
This is why I think the birther version of reality is grounded in police procedural dramas. Birthers see “Zullos big reveal” as the Deus Ex Machina that wraps the episode up neatly. And just like a police procedural, it has to be revealed about five to ten minutes before the final commercial break.
But even in those shows, the police does not wait until the popular suspect becomes unpopular to make their case public / go to trial.
It’s akin to claiming OJ murdered his wife during his active career and the police waited 15 years into his retirement before taking the case to court to assure his popularity wouldn’t shield him from punishment.
But hey, birthers will easily wait until 2032 for Obama to finally face a court for his commusurperous espiotreasonery, or whatnot.
After all, there’s still so many gerbil pictures waiting to be made.
The true silliness of this whole psycho drama is that if the birfers, or Kommandant Zullo, actually had anything real, anything that amounted to anything but an ant’s fart in a hurricane, some real evidence of something, even an actual fact or document, it wouldn’t matter one iota when it was released, but since it is all ant fart there NEVER EVER will be a good time to release it, since the laughing and pointing would begin immediately, and it would certainly be in order.