The occasional open thread: Mass produced edition

Posted on May 28, 2015 by Dr. Conspiracy

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177 Responses to The occasional open thread: Mass produced edition

  1. Lupin says:
    May 28, 2015 at 4:47 am  (Quote)

    More American RW madness:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/26/3662560/jeb-bushs-favorite-author-publishes-318-page-rant-democracy/

    It is ironic that Mr Murray appears unaware of the fact that James Madison was offered French Citizenship by the French Revolution Assembly; citizenship which he enthusiastically accepted (after clearing it with Thomas Jefferson) because of the Revolutionary ideals — and we know what the French Revolution did to the class of people Mr Murray so heartily defends. It starts with a G and rhymes with shmillotine.

  2. Reality Check says:
    May 28, 2015 at 12:00 pm  (Quote)

    In case anyone is wondering the Fogbow Forum is down. I have been in contact with Dr. Ken. He thinks he knows what is wrong but only Foggy has server access to fix it. Foggy mentioned earlier in a post that he would be tied up most of the day in meetings.

  3. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 28, 2015 at 12:18 pm  (Quote)

    ergle bergle I’m annoyed right now. I was simply adding the announcement when the memory limit went kaput. I think it was the processes that were running all morning. Foggy is going to try to restart the server remotely

  4. Nancy R Owens says:
    May 28, 2015 at 3:23 pm  (Quote)

    Are ZulloMoore and Arpaio using money to make sure America does NOT learn the truth? Sounds like it to me.

    My name is Nancy Ruth Owens and I forged Obama’s birth certificates for the still very active Medellin Cartel in 1985.

  5. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 28, 2015 at 8:39 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Are ZulloMoore and Arpaio using money to make sure America does NOT learn the truth? Sounds like it to me.

    My name is Nancy Ruth Owens and I forged Obama’s birth certificates for the still very active Medellin Cartel in 1985.

    No one cares nancy

  6. Rickey says:
    May 29, 2015 at 12:48 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Are ZulloMoore and Arpaio using money to make sure America does NOT learn the truth? Sounds like it to me.

    My name is Nancy Ruth Owens and I forged Obama’s birth certificates for the still very active Medellin Cartel in 1985.

    I’ll repeat my previous challenge to you.

    Why don’t you look up Mike Moore in Clewiston and ask him why he is posing as Mike Zullo? That would be an interesting Q&A. Did you know that “Mike” is actually his middle name? Did you know that he married Judy Byars 19 years ago? Heck, you could call him on the phone. He is listed in the phone book, but you need to know his first name in order to get his number.

    Please report back after you have spoken with him. We can hardly wait.

  7. Kate says:
    May 29, 2015 at 8:11 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: I’ll repeat my previous challenge to you.

    Why don’t you look up Mike Moore in Clewiston and ask him why he is posing as Mike Zullo? That would be an interesting Q&A. Did you know that “Mike” is actually his middle name? Did you know that he married Judy Byars 19 years ago? Heck, you could call him on the phone. He is listed in the phone book, but you need to know his first name in order to get his number.

    Please report back after you have spoken with him. We can hardly wait.

    Don’t forget to tape his alleged confession so you can put it on YouTube!

  9. bgansel9 says:
    May 29, 2015 at 10:04 am  (Quote)

    By the way, not sure if anyone cares, but this happened (this was the big news story yesterday, despite the announcement that a mosque here will be the scene of a Draw Mohammad” event today, organized by a bunch of armed bikers.)

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/05/28/former-maricopa-county-sheriffs-deputy-arrested-for-armed-robbery/28076483/

    Arpaio is feeling the heat in all directions.

  10. Crustacean says:
    May 29, 2015 at 12:59 pm  (Quote)

    That sounds like good times. What could possibly go wrong?

    bgansel9: a mosque here will be the scene of a Draw Mohammad” event today, organized by a bunch of armed bikers.

  11. Nancy R Owens says:
    May 30, 2015 at 5:07 am  (Quote)

    I called the man who is supposedly in charge of this investigation which is Arpaio. This is not my first attempt at sharing info with the MCCCP.

    I have my call to Arpaio on video as proof which they most certainly don’t like. It’s now up to them to do the right thing and call or contact me, don’t you think?

    After all, they are reportedly taking in millions upon millions of dollars to do just that.

    [Address redacted. Doc.]

    Make sure to send all mail certified.

    Kate: Don’t forget to tape his alleged confession so you can put it on YouTube!

  12. Rickey says:
    May 30, 2015 at 8:04 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I called the man who is supposedly in charge of this investigation which is Arpaio. This is not my first attempt at sharing info with the MCCCP.

    I have my call to Arpaio on video as proof which they most certainly don’t like. It’s now up to them to do the right thing and call or contact me, don’t you think?

    After all, they are reportedly taking in millions upon millions of dollars to do just that.

    Make sure to send all mail certified.

    The man who is in charge of the “investigation” is Mike Zullo. You claim that Mike Zullo and Mike Moore are one and the same, and Mike Moore is right there in your home town of Clewiston. No certified mail is necessary to speak with him. Why won’t you do it?

  13. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 30, 2015 at 10:16 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I have my call to Arpaio on video as proof which they most certainly don’t like. It’s now up to them to do the right thing and call or contact me, don’t you think?

    yes proof that you’re a crazy person who calls up random people and spouts nonsense. I notice you still haven’t provided any support for your previous claims.

  14. Nancy R Owens says:
    May 30, 2015 at 11:05 am  (Quote)

    I don’t live in Clewiston and I am banned from entering Clewiston. Since when is it necessary to chase investigators?

    Rickey: The man who is in charge of the “investigation” is Mike Zullo. You claim that Mike Zullo and Mike Moore are one and the same, and Mike Moore is right there in your home town of Clewiston. No certified mail is necessary to speak with him. Why won’t you do it?

  15. Kate says:
    May 30, 2015 at 1:58 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: yes proof that you’re a crazy person who calls up random people and spouts nonsense.I notice you still haven’t provided any support for your previous claims.

    There’s zero proof that NRO was talking to anyone, let alone Arpaio’s office. Why didn’t she put that call on speaker along with all those calls to Congress where she claims the turned herself in? She had no problem putting Mike Volin on speaker.

    In the alleged calls to Congress, there is one where she gives her name, address, etc. and then, out of the blue, says, “the mailman is from Clewiston.” It appears someone on the other end of the phone decided to ask her about the mailman nonsense as if it is an important part of her fairy tale.

    After all of this, I’m surprised she is actually expecting a phone call about a non-existent allegedly forged b.c. from anyone, especially someone representing a non-functioning investigation.

  17. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 30, 2015 at 7:54 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I don’t live in Clewiston and I am banned from entering Clewiston. Since when is it necessary to chase investigators?

    Lol banned from entering a backwater town? That’s hilarious. More excuses for why you’re too lazy to travel

  18. Arthur B. says:
    May 30, 2015 at 8:54 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Tell me if ya’ll like my new haircut.

    “Straightening up their hair is all they ever do. Why don’t they straighten up the mess that’s inside?” — Alan Jay Lerner

    (Apologies, NRO, it was irresistible.)

  19. Nancy R Owens says:
    May 30, 2015 at 10:03 pm  (Quote)

    What? You don’t think that fake investigators who don’t want to question this forger would say, “Stay out of town.” AKA, “Stay out of our legal reach,” which, if memory serves me right, is one within a 100 mile radius.

    Now that I’m in Tampa, I wonder if this range has changed. Orlando was 150 miles. I’ll have to check on that.

    I just checked and no, Riverview is 145 miles away from Clewiston, FL.

    Still, I have volunteered to give a deposition to Arpaio and Volin on several occassions.

    Arpaio and ZulluMoore are going to milk this Obama forgery scam investigation for all it’s worth and I’m sure they never expected me to come forward with the truth about Obama’s forgeries.

    Remember, out of Arpaio’s own mouth, he’s just waiting for “collusion.”

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lol banned from entering a backwater town?That’s hilarious.More excuses for why you’re too lazy to travel

  20. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 30, 2015 at 10:16 pm  (Quote)
  21. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    May 31, 2015 at 9:17 am  (Quote)

    GerbilReport.com is unmoderated.

    scott e: why is that ? if someone knows of a forum of unfettered exchange let me know.

  22. dr. kenneth noisewater says:
    May 31, 2015 at 9:40 am  (Quote)

    scott e: . i think is to a large degree is wishful thinking on your part (collectively)

    This is hilarious you’ve spent multiple years on that debate forum posting your wishful thinking. In order for the investigation to be active they actually had to start one in the first place. Repeating long debunked birther menes isn’t an investigation. I find it funny you remain a hopeful optimist considering birtherism has accomplished nothing

  23. dr. kenneth noisewater says:
    May 31, 2015 at 9:44 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Still, I have volunteered to give a deposition to Arpaio and Volin on several occassions.

    Arpaio and ZulluMoore are going to milk this Obama forgery scam investigation for all it’s worth and I’m sure they never expected me to come forward with the truth about Obama’s forgeries.

    A deposition from your double wide trailer? Volin isn’t an investigator he’s just some dumpy idiot who runs a package store in Pennsylvania. You’ve already told us you’re too lazy to talk to anyone in person. You’ve never provided anything true. In all this time you’ve never provided proof of a single claim.

  24. scott e says:
    May 31, 2015 at 10:13 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    GerbilReport.com is unmoderated.

    seriously ? why the trademark ? what’s up with obot.org ??

  25. scott e says:
    May 31, 2015 at 10:16 am  (Quote)

    dr. kenneth noisewater: This is hilarious you’ve spent multiple years on that debate forum posting your wishful thinking. In order for the investigation to be active they actually had to start one in the first place.Repeating long debunked birther menes isn’t an investigation. I find it funny you remain a hopeful optimist considering birtherism has accomplished nothing

    it doesn’t make sense kenneth. what forum ??

  26. CarlOrcas says:
    May 31, 2015 at 10:52 am  (Quote)

    scott e: i’d like to hear some names, talk to some people, hear some stories. we all know what’s out there already for information. that it’s all over just doesn’t make sense. sorry.

    What exactly has happened in the last four years that makes you think it’s not over?

    If you have too much information to post here why don’t you accept Doc’s invitation to use Gerbil Report?

  27. scott e says:
    May 31, 2015 at 11:27 am  (Quote)

    CarlOrcas: What exactly has happened in the last four years that makes you think it’s not over?

    If you have too much information to post here why don’t you accept Doc’s invitation to use Gerbil Report?

    this cyber place for instance. the obvious answer is of course all of you saying for eight years that we know all there is to know… we don’t. i don’t think so on the gerbil report, sorry.

  28. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    May 31, 2015 at 1:03 pm  (Quote)

    Gerbil Report is a parody of Birther Report. The trademark symbol at Gerbil Report follows the trademark symbol at Birther Report. The use of Intense Debate at GR also follows BR. Despite its spoof status, Gerbil Report has developed some extended discussions with participants that include ramboike and Mario Apuzzo.

    Obots.org is a concept site that demonstrates what I think birthers imagine an anti-birther site to be. It was biased, insulting, and 100% censored. No new content is being published there.

    scott e: seriously ? why the trademark ? what’s up with obot.org (sic) ??

  30. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 31, 2015 at 2:14 pm  (Quote)

    scott e: it doesn’t make sense kenneth. what forum ??

    You don’t remember the forum you posted at for years and got torn apart repeatedly on?

  31. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    May 31, 2015 at 2:28 pm  (Quote)

    scott e: this cyber place for instance. the obvious answer is of course all of you saying for eight years that we know all there is to know… we don’t. i don’t think so on the gerbil report, sorry.

    So nothing has actually happened that would lead you to believe it’s not over. In the years since the CCP did their last press conference they’ve presented nothing We know your history of believing in false claims. You spent several years on politicalforum making a fool of yourself and you’re continuing to do it here.

  32. Rickey says:
    May 31, 2015 at 2:53 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I don’t live in Clewiston and I am banned from entering Clewiston.

    You’re banned from entering Clewiston? How does that work? Did the town have a restraining order issued against you? If so, on what legal basis? And how do they keep you out? Have they set up checkpoints on every roadway in and out of town? What will they do if they catch you?

    Since when is it necessary to chase investigators?

    By your own admission, you’ve been chasing Arpaio.

    Since you’re not willing to drive from Riverview to Clewiston, why don’t you call Mike Moore on the phone and ask him if he is living a double life as Mike Zullo?

    If you can’t figure out how to get his phone number, let me know and I’ll give you a hint.

  33. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    May 31, 2015 at 5:45 pm  (Quote)

    I know the site is running slow. The hosting company is experiencing high loads.

  34. Rickey says:
    May 31, 2015 at 8:55 pm  (Quote)

    scott e: this cyber place for instance. the obvious answer is of course all of you saying for eight years that we know all there is to know… we don’t.

    What is it that you need to know which you don’t know? For years you have been making vague pronouncements like that which are notable for their lack of specificity.

    We know that the CCP’s claims about a forged birth certificate are nothing but B.S. We know that the State of Hawaii has verified the accuracy of all the information which appears on the PDF copy of Obama’s birth certificate that can be viewed on the White House website. What else is there that would be relevant to his eligibility?

  35. Rickey says:
    May 31, 2015 at 8:56 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I know the site is running slow. The hosting company is experiencing high loads.

    It seems to be better now.

  36. gorefan says:
    May 31, 2015 at 10:06 pm  (Quote)

    Pat Boone talks his career and birthers with Travis Smiley on PBS.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/2365499906/

    Still thinks the hospital was not named Kapiolani.

  37. bgansel9 says:
    May 31, 2015 at 10:20 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: I don’t live in Clewiston and I am banned from entering Clewiston.

    Aren’t you embarrassed at how conversations on this thread are always about YOU? I would be if I were you.

  38. jdkinpa says:
    June 1, 2015 at 1:34 am  (Quote)

    If he hasn’t already been nominated for Birthers from A to Z, I would like to submit Brian Kolfage to be included. I had never heard of him before, but I belong to a group on FB “Liberal Veterans and Servicemen” and one of the members posted an interesting story about the guy. Seems like he’s a died in the wool birfer.

    Link to story here. http://www.bustatroll.com/busta/117-truth-vs-lies-brian-kolfage-and-jan-vrostos

    Being a veteran myself; I have great respect for any and all who served and are serving now. But as they say, the military is a microcosm of our country. Although these days it’s more like the 1% who serve are a slice of the microcosm. So that being said; I find it disheartening at how some current and former military are as rabid President Obama haters as anyone over at Birther Report or any other equally offensive site on the internet. The above link shows that Kolfage sees himself as another expert on the ‘fake’ birth certificate. I didn’t see his name on the A to Z list and feel he deserves a spot with all the others.

  39. Suranis says:
    June 1, 2015 at 3:35 am  (Quote)

    All they would have to do is not pick up the phone and not talk to you. They wouldn’t care less where you went. You could camp outside their office and they wouldn’t have to talk to you unless a Judge forced them to with a Subpoena.

    Good luck getting a subpoena.

    Nancy R Owens: What? You don’t think that fake investigators who don’t want to question this forger would say, “Stay out of town.” AKA, “Stay out of our legal reach,” which, if memory serves me right, is one within a 100 mile radius.

  40. donna says:
    June 1, 2015 at 11:36 am  (Quote)

    Supreme Court Declines Request To Revive Arizona Immigration Law

    The justices rejected an appeal filed by Maricopa County and its controversial sheriff, Joe Arpaio. Three of the court’s conservative justices, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito, said they would have heard the case. Four of the nine justices must agree to hear a case for the court to take it up.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/01/supreme-court-arizona-immigration_n_7483862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

  41. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 1, 2015 at 1:44 pm  (Quote)

    I thought they were about Obama’s forgeries, which I forged and the inactive “investigators” who refuse to contact me.

    It’s all about me?

    Gee, I’m flattered.

    bgansel9: Aren’t you embarrassed at how conversations on this thread are always about YOU?I would be if I were you.

  42. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 1, 2015 at 1:48 pm  (Quote)

    So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?

    Answer: I won’t (waste my time, money, and gas).

    Suranis:
    All they would have to do is not pick up the phone and not talk to you. They wouldn’t care less where you went. You could camp outside their office and they wouldn’t have to talk to you unless a Judge forced them to with a Subpoena.

    Good luck getting a subpoena.

  43. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 1, 2015 at 3:23 pm  (Quote)

    So that begs the question of why you waste your time posting on this web site, when you get the same result.

    Nancy R Owens: So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?

  44. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 1, 2015 at 3:45 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?

    Answer: I won’t (waste my time, money, and gas).

    I don’t know, why do you waste your time making up stories on the internet?

  45. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 1, 2015 at 3:57 pm  (Quote)

    So, with each passing bit of bad news for Shurfjoke, the inmates at Birther Report react with angrier versions of “But we’re still winning!” Sure, they’re beaten, bloody, and have nothing left in their arsenal, but they’re “winning”.
    Reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

  46. Jim says:
    June 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:”So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?”

    So you can post about your trip without having to make it up instead?

  47. Rickey says:
    June 1, 2015 at 4:20 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?

    Answer: I won’t (waste my time, money, and gas).

    You don’t have to drive. I’m willing to tell you how to look up Mike Moore’s phone number and you can call him, tell him that you believe that he is Mike Zullo, and see what his response is. He has a listed phone number, but “Mike” is his middle name and his number is listed under his first name.

    How about it? It’s put up or shut up time.

  48. Thomas Brown says:
    June 1, 2015 at 5:06 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    So, why would I waste my time driving 150 to 1500 miles to their offices to get exactly the same results that I am getting now?

    Answer: I won’t (waste my time, money, and gas).

    Why don’t you use the teleport function on your time machine… the one you have, based on your “statements,” used numerous times already.

  49. bgansel9 says:
    June 1, 2015 at 6:04 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: So that begs the question of why you waste your time posting on this web site, when you get the same result.

    Exactly, Doc. Thank you.

    (Note to Rickey, I quoted you when you quoted NRO. My post was not directed towards you. Apologies).

  50. Rickey says:
    June 1, 2015 at 8:33 pm  (Quote)

    bgansel9: Exactly, Doc. Thank you.

    (Note to Rickey, I quoted you when you quoted NRO. My post was not directed towards you. Apologies).

    Thanks, but I could tell that your comment wasn’t directed at me.

  51. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 1, 2015 at 9:16 pm  (Quote)

    Does it have a chameleon circuit, and has it ever appeared as a mini-sub?

    Thomas Brown: Why don’t you use the teleport function on your time machine…

  52. Dave B. says:
    June 2, 2015 at 11:23 am  (Quote)

    Lennie’s back:
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theheartlandchronicle/obama_demands_ted_cruz8217s_birth_certificate/#comment-2057726361
    He says James Madison lied, David Ramsey was the father of the first Naturalization Act, Justice Gray was an idiot, Congressmen are stupid– and he’s none too happy with me, either.
    He is, on the other hand, rather warm towards someone who appears to be a Cajun-French fusion chef, “Emeril de Vatel.”

  53. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm  (Quote)

    As you keep saying, “For the record.”

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    So that begs the question of why you waste your time posting on this web site, when you get the same result.

  54. Punchmaster via Mobile says:
    June 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    As you keep saying, “For the record.”

    Ironic, as you sound like a broken record.

  56. Rickey says:
    June 2, 2015 at 7:34 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    As you keep saying, “For the record.”

    Why aren’t you willing to speak with Mike Moore? That conversation would make for an interesting record.

  57. Dave B. says:
    June 2, 2015 at 8:27 pm  (Quote)

    Oh yeah. Of course, that didn’t stop some ODS sufferers from falling for it. Over at the American News, they sort of reposted the Empire News story from last fall about Obama admitting to forging his birth certificate. I guess they figured that the rest of the story, that he also admitted he’s from the planet Garlarktaschpel, was too much even for THEIR readers, so they left that part out.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The article itself appears to be a spoof.

  58. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 2, 2015 at 9:13 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    As you keep saying, “For the record.”

    What record? You’ve spammed your nonsense practically everywhere. Not once have you offered any actual proof.

  59. gorefan says:
    June 3, 2015 at 10:32 am  (Quote)

    Pat Boone on birthism.

    Travis: But you’ve made some birther comments, you’ve made some other comments that folk found a little racially tinged when it came to the president. So for all this good that you think you’ve done to help Black artists, how do you juxtapose loving on those Black people and, as some might take it, hating on the Black president?

    Boone: Well, I’m so glad that you’ve brought this up because who I am goes back to those early days on the TV shows. I started to tell you, Jesse Jackson made the statement. He called in to Santita on the radio and he said, “I want to say something I’ve never said publicly before. But I think Pat Boone did more to combat racism with his music than any other performer.”

    This is Jesse Jackson. “Because a white boy from Nashville doing all these rhythm and blues songs and, not only liking the music, but liking the other performers too.” Well, that was an incredible statement coming from Jesse Jackson.

    Now at the 76th Republican Convention, I was a Reagan delegate. While I was there stumping for Ronald Reagan who did not get the nomination, I was also going from caucus to caucus saying, “Look, we’re the party of Lincoln. There’s going to be a Black vice president, Black senators, a Black president and it ought to happen in the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln. Let’s nurture and bring forward Black candidates.”

    And I’m talking to Nelson Rockefeller and people like that. It fell on deaf ears, nothing came of that, but I was stumping for Black candidates back then, knowing it was going to happen, wanting it to happen. But my differences with the current president has nothing to do with the color of his skin. In fact, I try my best to be his color [laugh].

    Tavis: Watch that suntan, yeah.

    Boone: Yeah, yeah. But it’s all policies and when you say birther, yes, I have asked over and over and over again to see an actual copy of a birth certificate because what’s on the White House is not a copy.

    Tavis: That issue has long been laid to rest.

    Boone: Listen to me. It’s not a copy of anything because there’s discrepancies on that supposed certificate that lists, for example, the name of the hospital is Kapiolani, which it wasn’t called then. Now if there were a real certificate, he would have shown it.

    He wouldn’t have had Donald Trump haranguing him. I’m not a birther. I’m a questioner. I’m asking legitimate questions, asking for legitimate answers, and they haven’t…

    Tavis: So all these years later, you still don’t think Barack Obama was born in this country?

    Boone: I was in Kenya right after he was elected. My wife and I established the Boone Center. It’s a life center in Tanzania. Fresh water wells, school for young Black kids, Maasai kids, to bring up the literacy level. We’re active. We’re not just talking it, we’re doing it.

    And while I was in Kenya, people everywhere were saying, “Your president was born here. You know that?” I said, “Well, some of us think that, but he denies that he was born here.”

    And the questions kept rising and it could have all been settled if there was just a certificate shown that was the legitimate certificate, not a certificate of live birth which anybody can get if they have a passport and can prove they’re a citizen. They can get that that was shown originally on his site.

    Tavis: To whose who say that he handily beat John McCain, your candidate, he handily beat Mitt Romney, your candidate…

    Boone: Sure, yeah.

    Tavis: And Pat Boone and others just won’t let this die even though they got their butt whipped twice. Why can’t y’all just let this go?

    Boone: It’s because I feel that it’s the policies. I hope I’ve set to rest the idea that it’s prejudice. It is not because I was stumping for Black candidates. I wanted Black candidates.

    Tavis: See, I think I could accept–and those watching who agree with my point of view on this, whoever they might be–they could accept that the policy differences are legitimate. This audience knows I got plenty policy differences with Barack Obama.

    And we are the same skin color and I’ve got policy differences. That’s not the issue. But it’s that birther stuff, I think, that makes it hard to believe that it’s just policy difference.

    Boone: Well, have experts check out–for some reason, people are reluctant to do it. They don’t want–see, ridicule is one of the best weapons. That’s what Donald Trump to stop even bringing up the issue because the president said, “Go to the website. I’ve now put this copy of the long-form certificate.”

    The guy in my office who is much more computer savvy than I am, he said, “That’s not a copy. That’s a creation. That’s a Photoshop thing. People who know it have given sworn affidavits.” So now if there is cover-up, there’s got to be a reason for the cover-up.

    Tavis: Let me just say this. I want to get to your music. I don’t think there’s anything in the world that will ever stop Donald Trump, much less ridicule.

    Boone: Well, that did. No, it did.

    Tavis: I think Donald Trump craves ridicule.

    Boone: I was in touch with him during that time.

    Tavis: He eats that for lunch, you know.

    Boone: He said to me, “I’m through because I’ve taken a lot of heat with this.”

    Tavis: Well, it ain’t ridicule that stops Donald Trump [laugh], but I digress on that. To your music. Does it feel like 60 years? I mean, you’re still doing it.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/singer-pat-boone/?show=24843#comments

  60. bgansel9 says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:07 am  (Quote)

    gorefan: The guy in my office who is much more computer savvy than I am, he said, “That’s not a copy. That’s a creation. That’s a Photoshop thing

    So, because a guy in Boone’s office knows more about computers than Boone does, that makes him an expert? And, did Boone ask about any bias or animosity prior to that determination? LOL

  61. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 3, 2015 at 12:38 pm  (Quote)

    Tell him to call me. I’ll talk to him just as I tried to talk to Volin, Gallups, RC, and Arpaio.

    Rickey: Why aren’t you willing to speak with Mike Moore? That conversation would make for an interesting record.

  62. Hermitian says:
    June 3, 2015 at 12:48 pm  (Quote)

    Benji Franklin June 2, 2015 at 9:53 pm (Quote) #

    ‘Forgery’, Mr. Zoo Low?

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/response-los-angeles-daily-news-wheres.html

    Maybe the seal impression on Obama’s second copy is readable?

    I suppose we’ll never know?

  63. Fred says:
    June 3, 2015 at 1:13 pm  (Quote)

    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

  64. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 3, 2015 at 1:52 pm  (Quote)

    OK, so you challenge me to show you two birth certificates (Obama’s and one other) from Hawaii from 1961 where the father’s race is “African.”

    Well I challenge YOU to show me two birth certificates from Hawaii in 1961 where the race is “black” or “negro.”

    You can’t do it. Your challenge is stupid.

    Fred: Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

  65. gorefan says:
    June 3, 2015 at 2:05 pm  (Quote)

    Fred:
    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

    Here is one which lists the race as Hawaiian Caucasian Korean

    https://rcradioblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/johanna-bc.jpg

    Is Korean a race?

  66. gorefan says:
    June 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm  (Quote)

    Hermitian: http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/response-los-angeles-daily-news-wheres.html

    Maybe the seal impression on Obama’s second copy is readable?

    I suppose we’ll never know?

    Not likely as Hawaii uses a low relief seal that makes it difficult to copy or scan. It’s one of their security features.

    Like this one

    http://s56.photobucket.com/user/Danae_photos/media/SCN_0002.jpg.html

    Or this one

    https://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/img_0035-small.jpg

    Or this one

    http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/09/SUNAHARA-short-form-COLB.jpg

  67. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm  (Quote)

    Fred:
    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

    Show us another example of a father being born outside the country from the African continent from any state during the time period so you have something relevant to talk about. Caucasian isn’t an approved term according to the coding manual yet a lot of birth certificates during that time period list that.

  68. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Tell him to call me. I’ll talk to him just as I tried to talk to Volin, Gallups, RC, and Arpaio.

    So once again you’re too lazy to make any real effort to prove your fictional stories.

  69. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm  (Quote)

    As a matter of personal privilege, I go off topic. Following is a link to the Giant Robots Debating Society image by Bradley W. Schenk. I have been a fan of his retro-science fiction art at least since the Amiga computer game (there was a later PC version) Labyrinth of Time. He’s the guy behind the Pulp-O-Mizer, featured in my 2013 article, Night of the Undead Lawsuits.”

    http://www.webomator.com/2015/06/01/and-now-something-for-the-giant-robots-debating-society/

  70. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 3, 2015 at 3:29 pm  (Quote)

    Yeah, that phone is just too heavy to lift. What’s his number?

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: So once again you’re too lazy to make any real effort to prove your fictional stories.

  71. Suranis says:
    June 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm  (Quote)

    I defy you to find a BC form over here listing “Caucasian” Or “Negro” as a race. They are Americanisms.

    The fact that he said “African” is a point in the BC’s favour, and if it said “Negro” you lot would be screaming that it should have said “African”

  72. Hermitian says:
    June 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm  (Quote)

    gorefan June 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm (Quote) #

    Hermitian: http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/response-los-angeles-daily-news-wheres.html

    Maybe the seal impression on Obama’s second copy is readable?

    I suppose we’ll never know?

    Not likely as Hawaii uses a low relief seal that makes it difficult to copy or scan. It’s one of their security features.

    Like this one

    http://s56.photobucket.com/user/Danae_photos/media/SCN_0002.jpg.html

    Or this one

    https://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/img_0035-small.jpg

    Or this one

    http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/09/SUNAHARA-short-form-COLB.jpg

    You’re mixing apples and oranges. My post was for the two purported copies of the Obama LFCOLB. Your response was for the COLB. The examples of Hawaii LCOLB copies given at the posted link (addressing the unreadable seal on the Obama LFCOLB) are indisputable.

    Moreover it is a fact that the Obama COLB posted on the White House website is a forgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRVfvI6RFxA

  73. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 3, 2015 at 4:30 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Yeah, that phone is just too heavy to lift. What’s his number?

    You don’t know how to open the yellow pages?

  74. Joey says:
    June 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm  (Quote)

    Suranis:
    I defy you to find a BC form over here listing “Caucasian” Or “Negro” as a race. They are Americanisms.

    The fact that he said “African” is a point in the BC’s favour, and if it said “Negro” you lot would be screaming that it should have said “African”

    I’ve always thought that a Kapi’olani Hospital employee was asking Stanley Ann Dunham for demographic info for the birth certificate and when the employee got to the father’s race question, Stanley Ann Dunham said: “He’s from Kenya,” or he’s from Africa and the employee wrote “African.”

  75. Crustacean says:
    June 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm  (Quote)

    I love when you go off topic like that, Doc! Mr. Schenk is a brilliant talent. Little Crusty Junior is getting a Giant Robots Debating Society t-shirt as a birthday present, thanks to you.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Giant Robots Debating Society image by Bradley W. Schenk.

  76. Joey says:
    June 3, 2015 at 4:58 pm  (Quote)

    Fred:
    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

    Dear Fred, Sometimes in life, there is only one occurrence of a thing. That does not mean that the thing did not occur, it just means that it only occurred once. Barack Hussein Obama, II may have been the only child born to an African father in Hawaii in 1961. That wouldn’t invalidate his birth there and the “Health Bureau Statistics” columns in the two major Honolulu newspapers on August 13, 1961 and August 14, 1961 corroborate the president’s birth place and birth date.

  77. Kate says:
    June 3, 2015 at 7:01 pm  (Quote)

    Fred:
    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

    I can’t show you any birth certificates however, the fact is, the information regarding the parents was self-reported. It’s not the least bit surprising that Obama, Sr. referred to himself as African as he also did when he entered the U.S. in regards to race.

    During WWII, black Americans fighting for the U.S. armed forces were referred to by Germans as “Africans” yet they certainly knew they were from the U.S. and fighting for the U.S. Do you discount what they say as not being true? Nelson Mandela spoke in his autobiography about his time at Robbens Island Prison in Africa about he and other Africans were isolated and discriminated against, while whites from Africa were also segregated from them.

    While these examples are not the same as the birth certificate, it certainly validates the fact that black people from Africa were referred to as Africans, whether it was by others or they self-identified, it happened. There’s no doubt regarding this. So why do you and other birthers insist it’s impossible for the father to identify himself as African? It’s there in black and white and what the parents reported was not changed. After all, the people who compiled the information for statistical studies didn’t have the parents in front of them to question when they input the info, they’d be violating the state’s practices if they were to change it on their own.

  78. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 3, 2015 at 8:24 pm  (Quote)

    Given that seals on both types of certificates were applied in the same era by the same agency, I fail to see the relevance of the short/long form distinction.

    Hermitian: You’re mixing apples and oranges. My post was for the two purported copies of the Obama LFCOLB. Your response was for the COLB.

  79. Pete says:
    June 3, 2015 at 9:14 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Tell me if ya’ll like my new haircut.

    It’s okay, Nancy, but I think you would look nicer with your hair cut just a little bit below your ears and kind of rounded. In between the current cut and the way you had it before.

  80. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 3, 2015 at 9:31 pm  (Quote)

    In Hawaii where they had such great ethnic diversity, that idea seems very plausible. If Obama had been born in Kansas, not so much. Nowadays many hospitals they have a “Mother’s worksheet” that the mother may fill out. I don’t know about 1961.

    Joey: Stanley Ann Dunham said: “He’s from Kenya,” or he’s from Africa and the employee wrote “African.”

  81. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm  (Quote)

    Test comment.

  82. Rickey says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:06 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Yeah, that phone is just too heavy to lift. What’s his number?

    So you claim to know Mike Moore but you don’t know his real first name?

    His first name is Kevin. He is the only Kevin Moore in Clewiston. I’m not going to post his phone number here. Call Directory Assistance.

  83. Rickey says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:15 pm  (Quote)

    Fred:
    The African Race: the final chapter

    We’re not interested in your conjectures.

    Just show us other 1961 hawaiian birth certificates that list the race of the father as “African”.

    Email me when you unearth something.

    I bet I’ll be waiting. Forever.

    No black man from Africa in 1961 would have referred to himself as “negro.” The word “negro” is derived from the Spanish and Portuguese, not from Africa.

    The term “African” is generally used in popular speech to refer to the broad majority of black peoples of Africa who generally fit the popular traditional classification of physical features called Negroid.

    http://strategyleader.org/peopledefinitions/raceandethnicity.html

    Is is entirely understandable that Barack Obama Sr. would have referred to himself as an “African.”

  84. Reality Check says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:22 pm  (Quote)

    As I have shown before the use of the term “African” as a race goes back at least as far as the sinking of the Titanic.

    https://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/birther-claim-about-obamas-fathers-race-goes-down-with-the-titanic/

  85. gorefan says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:25 pm  (Quote)

    Hermitian: You’re mixing apples and oranges.My post was for the two purported copies of the Obama LFCOLB.Your response was for the COLB.The examples of Hawaii LCOLB copies given at the posted link (addressing the unreadable seal on the Obama LFCOLB) are indisputable.

    Moreover it is a fact that the Obama COLB posted on the White House website is a forgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRVfvI6RFxA

    You moron, you are comparing the President’s LFBC seal to a 1971 Hawaii seal (LFBC or COLB?) and the DeCosta 2002 COLB (short form). So you are comparing apples (LFBC) to oranges (COLB).

    Looking at the 1971 seal, it is clearly different from the DeCosta 2002 seal. Both images are JPEGs while the President’s is a highly compressed PDF. When we compare the President’s seal on the Guthrie’s photo, it is much more obvious and appears to have the same type of outside ring as the 2002 DeCosta seal.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dBWb0nPzjwY/T-0OEMY0QqI/AAAAAAAAFI4/xWAkN5UIo98/s640/SavannahGuthrieObamaLongFormHUWAII.jpg

    As to the President’s COLB, people might actually take you seriously if you didn’t link to a YouTube video by Pollard.

  86. Kate says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:49 pm  (Quote)

    Reality Check:
    As I have shown before the use of the term “African” as a race goes back at least as far as the sinking of the Titanic.

    https://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/birther-claim-about-obamas-fathers-race-goes-down-with-the-titanic/

    Great find, RC. Of course, after reading the comments, it’s obvious that despite the claim being debunked, John still refuses to believe what is in front of him, completely resisting the fact that the information was self-reported. SMDH…

  87. Kate says:
    June 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: So you claim to know Mike Moore but you don’t know his real first name?

    His first name is Kevin. He is the only Kevin Moore in Clewiston. I’m not going to post his phone number here. Call Directory Assistance.

    At one point, Nancy claimed to have married Mike Moore in order for him to avoid sharing profits from the alleged discovery of fingerprint removal that she said she shared with him. Never mind the fact that there would be no profits for the supposed discovery of something known to LEO at least 5 or 6 decades earlier. You can’t expect her to remember all these fairy tales and husbands she has claimed to have had and/or sitll have.

  88. Keith says:
    June 4, 2015 at 1:07 am  (Quote)

    gorefan: As to the President’s COLB, people might actually take you seriously if you didn’t link to a YouTube video by Pollard.

    Or not.

  89. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 4, 2015 at 9:28 am  (Quote)

    gorefan: As to the President’s COLB, people might actually take you seriously if you didn’t link to a YouTube video by Pollard.

    Oh don’t you know? Hermy here holds Polland up as an expert in that he believes Pollard created the birth certificate.

  90. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 4, 2015 at 11:07 am  (Quote)

    He’s put himself front and center in this investigation and…..no contact number?

    Rickey: No black man from Africa in 1961 would have referred to himself as “negro.” The word “negro” is derived from the Spanish and Portuguese, not from Africa.

    The term “African” is generally used in popular speech to refer to the broad majority of black peoples of Africa who generally fit the popular traditional classification of physical features called Negroid.

    http://strategyleader.org/peopledefinitions/raceandethnicity.html

    Is is entirely understandable that Barack Obama Sr. would have referred to himself as an “African.”

  91. Rickey says:
    June 4, 2015 at 12:22 pm  (Quote)

    In other news, Cody Robert Judy proves that he is incapable of learning anything. His latest SCOTUS petition has been scheduled for a conference on June 18 without a single justice calling for a response, yet he still thinks that he has a chance of being granted cert.

    The same scenario took place for him 2 1/2 years ago, and then he was told that his petition had been dead filed and he refused to believe it.

    No. 14-9396
    Title:
    Cody Robert Judy, Petitioner
    v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.
    Docketed: April 20, 2015
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
    Case Nos.: (14-4136)
    Decision Date: February 3, 2015
    Rehearing Denied: February 27, 2015

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Mar 30 2015 Petition for a writ of certiorari and motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis filed. (Response due May 20, 2015)
    Apr 27 2015 Consent to the filing of amicus curiae briefs, in support of either party or of neither party, received from petitioner.
    May 20 2015 Waiver of right of respondent Barack H. Obama, President of the United States to respond filed.
    Jun 3 2015 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of June 18, 2015.

    Note that he apparently was hoping for some amicus curiae briefs, but none were forthcoming.

  92. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 4, 2015 at 2:57 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    He’s put himself front and center in this investigation and…..no contact number?

    So you don’t know how to open the phone book?

  93. Arthur B. says:
    June 4, 2015 at 3:17 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: So you don’t know how to open the phone book?

    Or one could try googling Kevin Moore Clewiston. I had the number within minutes.

  94. Suranis says:
    June 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm  (Quote)

    But.. guys.. the calories that will burn up…

  95. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 4, 2015 at 3:25 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: In other news, Cody Robert Judy proves that he is incapable of learning anything.

    I think he’s also proven that he’s incapable of knowing which planet he’s on, or what decade it even is.

  97. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 4, 2015 at 4:43 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve always found the SSRN stuff to be anti-immigrant. Let’s see about this one.

    Apparently, this is not at all anti-immigrant or right-wing.

    Interesting history, but very little specifically on the birther question. I did pick up some bits on the government’s case against Wong, and how it is similar to the birther position.

    Dave B.:
    New article:
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2610859

  98. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    June 4, 2015 at 4:55 pm  (Quote)

    Hermitian: http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/response-los-angeles-daily-news-wheres.html

    Maybe the seal impression on Obama’s second copy is readable?

    I suppose we’ll never know?

    As a licensed professional engineer, I am required to keep and maintain a seal or stamp with my license info. I decided to get both, and often need to use them to seal drawing sets. I learned very early on to never use a raised seal on drawings that are going to be copied. We had a drawing set get rejected because the raised seal was not legible in any of the copies, which cost us nearly $300 to replace.

    Raised seals just do not photocopy well.

  99. Crustacean says:
    June 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm  (Quote)

    Random thoughts after a brief trip to BR:

    1,,,,,,,,,,Has anyone ever figured out why it is that RWNJ’s insert so many commas,,,,,,,,, and ellipses-on-steroids ……. in their writing…….?

    ….. do LWNJ’s do the same thing? It’s really annoying,,,,,,,,,,

    2. I can’t decide which is more creepy: the comments by nuts like js/js and charlesmountain at BR or those “The Next Step in Evolution” robot soft-porn ads.

    Kiss my grits, Danno,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  100. roadburner says:
    June 4, 2015 at 6:19 pm  (Quote)

    it strikes me that with arpaio being their last hope, and that hope being currently shattered and exposed, bob nelson is pulling out the old BC guff to distract the faithful at BR

    `go shurrrf joe…any day now!….oh look! shiny things!’

  101. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 4, 2015 at 6:41 pm  (Quote)

    They’ve been doing that for a long time. Remember the universe was supposed to get shattered over a year ago.

    roadburner: it strikes me that with arpaio being their last hope, and that hope being currently shattered and exposed, bob nelson is pulling out the old BC guff to distract the faithful at BR

  102. CarlOrcas says:
    June 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm  (Quote)

    W. Kevin Vicklund: Raised seals just do not photocopy well.

    That’s why most states now require Notary Public’s to use a rubber stamp with black ink rather than an impression seal.

  103. W. Kevin Vicklund says:
    June 4, 2015 at 8:21 pm  (Quote)

    Hermitian: Moreover it is a fact that the Obama COLB posted on the White House website is a forgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRVfvI6RFxA

    Aww, how cute. Hermie is linking to a guy who finally admitted that the COLB he originally posted wasn’t actually a forgery.

  104. RanTalbott says:
    June 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Caucasian isn’t an approved term according to the coding manual yet a lot of birth certificates during that time period list that.

    And, ironically, the comments section of the BR article Hermie cited includes a link to a Hawaiian short form with the mother’s race listed as “Filipino, Chinese”:
    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4746/peterboycertificate.jpg

    However, the coding manual doesn’t “approve” terms: that’s a Zulloism. It just tells coders how to interpret the many ways people describe themselves, and acknowledges that its list isn’t exhaustive.

  105. Rickey says:
    June 4, 2015 at 10:14 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    He’s put himself front and center in this investigation and…..no contact number?

    Mike Moore has nothing to do with “this investigation.”

    Doc frowns on the posting of personal details such as addresses and phone numbers. I gave you enough information to look up his number. Moore isn’t hiding from anyone.

  106. Rickey says:
    June 4, 2015 at 10:18 pm  (Quote)

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I think he’s also proven that he’s incapable of knowing which planet he’s on, or what decade it even is.

    I posted a polite note on Judy’s blog this morning, advising him that his petition was dead filed. The note didn’t make it past his moderation.

  107. Benji Franklin says:
    June 5, 2015 at 1:04 am  (Quote)

    Hermitian: Moreover it is a fact that the Obama COLB posted on the White House website is a forgery.

    Since an original certified paper copy (of anything) cannot be physically “posted” on the Internet, and since there is no legally required minimal “fidelity-of-reproduction” standard for likenesses of original documents posted on the Internet for general information purposes, and since Hawaii has verified that the information on the published Whitehouse likeness, matches the official information recorded and preserved by Hawaii describing Obama’s birth, and since any other imaginable standard is NOT REQUIRED, your use of the word “forgery”, is contextually inappropriate and completely irrelevant.

  108. gorefan says:
    June 5, 2015 at 1:12 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: And, ironically, the comments section of the BR article Hermie cited includes a link to a Hawaiian short form with the mother’s race listed as “Filipino, Chinese”:
    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4746/peterboycertificate.jpg

    However, the coding manual doesn’t “approve” terms: that’s a Zulloism. It just tells coders how to interpret the many ways people describe themselves, and acknowledges that its list isn’t exhaustive.

    No evidence of a raised seal, it was issued in 1991 (4 months after the birth) but is a short form not a long form.

  109. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 5, 2015 at 3:39 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: I posted a polite note on Judy’s blog this morning, advising him that his petition was dead filed. The note didn’t make it past his moderation.

    As if he’d let any sliver of reality seep in.

  110. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 5, 2015 at 2:42 pm  (Quote)

    I am engaged in a rather one-sided debate with Steven Craig over at BR:

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/06/confession-cbs-news-bob-schieffer-media.html

  111. Joey says:
    June 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm  (Quote)

    If any court or any committee of Congress should ever need to see and verify the Seal on the Obama Certificate of Live Birth, they can issue a court order or a congressional subpoena for the ORIGINAL hard copy document. There is no need to rely on digitally reproduced images of that document.

  112. RanTalbott says:
    June 5, 2015 at 6:36 pm  (Quote)

    Joey: they can issue a court order or a congressional subpoena for the ORIGINAL hard copy document.

    Or, they can do what the AZ SOS did, and ask for verification from Hawaii. Which is even better than inspecting Obama’s copies, because they could, theoretically, have been fabricated in a spook lab somewhere.

    But that won’t do anything for the remaining birthers, who have convinced themselves that Hawaii is part of the giant conspiracy being run by the Illuminati/lizard people/Jewish banksters/commies/personal favorite bogeymen.

  113. Dave B. says:
    June 5, 2015 at 8:45 pm  (Quote)

    I reckon if any members of Congress wanted to see it they could just ask real nice. Maybe play you-show-me-yours-I’ll-show-you-mine. They could make a party game out of it, have a real nice time.

    Joey:
    If any court or any committee of Congress should ever need to see and verify the Seal on the Obama Certificate of Live Birth, they can issue a court order or a congressional subpoena for the ORIGINAL hard copy document. There is no need to rely on digitally reproduced images of that document.

  114. Joey says:
    June 5, 2015 at 9:57 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Or, they can do what the AZ SOS did, and ask for verification from Hawaii. Which is even better than inspecting Obama’s copies, because they could, theoretically, have been fabricated in a spook lab somewhere.

    But that won’t do anything for the remaining birthers, who have convinced themselves that Hawaii is part of the giant conspiracy being run by the Illuminati/lizard people/Jewish banksters/commies/personal favorite bogeymen.

    I didn’t mean President Obama’s copies that Henry Blake (Hermitian) is obsessed with, I meant the vault copy from the Hawaii Department of Health.

  115. Joey says:
    June 5, 2015 at 9:59 pm  (Quote)

    Dave B.:
    I reckon if any members of Congress wanted to see it they could just ask real nice.Maybe play you-show-me-yours-I’ll-show-you-mine.They could make a party game out of it, have a real nice time.

    And if they don’t want to be nice, congressional subpoenas have the force of court orders.

  116. Lupin says:
    June 6, 2015 at 3:18 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: But that won’t do anything for the remaining birthers, who have convinced themselves that Hawaii is part of the giant conspiracy being run by the Illuminati/lizard people/Jewish banksters/commies/personal favorite bogeymen.

    And the French.

  117. donna says:
    June 6, 2015 at 9:53 am  (Quote)

    an interesting “birthright citizenship” case:

    p 3: The judgment of the district court is affirmed; the Citizenship Clause does not extend birthright citizenship to those born in American Samoa

    http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/A927D0D5D8A8FB0B85257E5B004F530D/$file/13-5272-1555940.pdf

    “…. it strikes me that there’s a non-frivolous possibility that the plaintiffs’ claims could find support from at least seven of the court’s 11 current active judges (senior judges are allowed to participate in en banc rehearings when they were on the original panel, but they don’t vote on whether to go en banc in the first place). And so, whatever one thinks of this morning’s opinion, it may well not be the last word from the D.C. Circuit on the fascinating and fraught question of birthright citizenship for American Samoans.”

    http://justsecurity.org/23519/d-c-circuit-rejects-birthright-citizenship-american-samoans/

    As Neil Weare, the civil rights lawyer who argued the case in February on behalf of a group of American Samoans, noted in a statement Friday, “Today marks the first time a federal court of appeals has ruled that citizenship by birth on US soil is not a fundamental right.”

    Though the group of American Samoans lost on Friday, their chances of winning an appeal to the entire DC Circuit—which is more liberal than the three conservative judges randomly selected to hear this case—could be higher.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/appeals-court-denies-birthright-citizenship-american-samoans

  118. Dave B. says:
    June 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm  (Quote)

    In the absence of a ruling satisfactory to American Samoans desiring to be US citizens by birth, maybe Congress should allow US non-citizen nationals born in American Samoa to naturalize IN American Samoa, without having to become a “resident of any state.”

    donna:
    an interesting “birthright citizenship” case:

  119. Keith says:
    June 7, 2015 at 12:39 am  (Quote)

    Hmmm…

    I have been doing a bit of mouse clicking about the John Birch Society and came across this little bit of food for thought:

    Wikipedia: Getz v. Robert Welch, Inc

    From the article:

    Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (1974),[1] was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States established the standard of First Amendment protection against defamation claims brought by private individuals. The Court held that, so long as they do not impose liability without fault, states are free to establish their own standards of liability for defamatory statements made about private individuals. However, the Court also ruled that if the state standard is lower than actual malice, the standard applying to public figures, then only actual damages may be awarded.

    The consequence is that strict liability for defamation is unconstitutional in the United States; the plaintiff must be able to show that the defendant acted negligently or with an even higher level of mens rea. In many other common law countries, strict liability for defamation is still the rule.

    IANAL and I am not sure I understand the upshot of that 100%. Strict liability means that no fault need be found, the plaintiff only has to show that the ‘offense’ occured and the defendent did it; the plaintiff doesn’t have to prove he was damaged.

    Robert Welch, Inc (the legal name for the John Birch Society) made scurrilous allegations against the lawyer (Elmer Guertz) for a family that was suing the JBS, Guertz sued for defamation, and the JBS claimed he was a public figure and couldn’t sue.

    The court found otherwise, the lawyer was not a public figure and (this is the part that caught my attention) highly doubted that one could involuntarily become a public figure.

    In his majority opinion, Justice Powell:

    rejected the idea that the mere public interest of the subject should outweigh any consideration of Gertz’s status as a private or public figure. The latter, he noted, have access to more ways of counteracting allegations about them than private figures do, and thus they deserved a lower standard to prove libel. He also highly doubted that one could involuntarily become a public figure.

    Gertz “had achieved no general fame or notoriety in the community,” despite some public service in his past, and therefore did not meet the Sullivan or Curtis tests. “He plainly did not thrust himself into the vortex of this public issue, nor did he engage the public’s attention in an attempt to influence its outcome.”

    I repeat that IANAL, but what I am reading here is that maybe those people who think they are be protected by the idea that the people they defame are ‘public figures’ due to their participation on ‘public’ internet forums aren’t as protected as they think they are.

    Maybe *Birdboy* should learn some restraint in his ‘free speech’ because even if he thinks he’s anonymous, we all now know that the Chinese likely know who he is… 😎

  120. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 7, 2015 at 1:20 pm  (Quote)

    This guy, Russrhs, has got to be the stupidest birther of all time.

    http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-born-citizen/

  121. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 7, 2015 at 1:21 pm  (Quote)

    Even I know who he is.

    Keith: Maybe *Birdboy* should learn some restraint in his ‘free speech’ because even if he thinks he’s anonymous, we all now know that the Chinese likely know who he is…

  122. Dave B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 2:12 pm  (Quote)

    I’d say he deserves an “A to Z” entry on that basis.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This guy, Russrhs, has got to be the stupidest birther of all time.

    http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-born-citizen/

  123. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 7, 2015 at 2:38 pm  (Quote)

    Since I don’t know who he is, I can’t tell whether he is notable or not.

    Dave B.: I’d say he deserves an “A to Z” entry on that basis.

  124. Dave B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 2:39 pm  (Quote)

    Yeah, but “stupidest birther of all time”– and I’ve got to go along with you on that one– merits SOME note.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Since I don’t know who he is, I can’t tell whether he is notable or not.

  125. Dave B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 2:40 pm  (Quote)

    Oh. Come to think of it, you’ve already given him SOME note on that.

  126. Slartibartfast says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:26 pm  (Quote)

    Is the Fogbow down for everyone else? I get the “new content” page just fine, but when I try to view a thread I get:

    Fatal error: Call to undefined method IPSMember::GetDateDifference() in /home/wlbjr/public_html/thefogbow.com/forum/system/Theme/Theme.php(627) : eval()’d code on line 163

    p.s. The last comment on the new content page was left around 3pm eastern.

    I wonder if Dr. Ken is trying to fix the relative date problem and something went wrong.

  127. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:44 pm  (Quote)

    I see it too. Looks like a coding error. Maybe it should be a lower case “g”. Dunno.

    Slartibartfast: Is the Fogbow down for everyone else?

  128. Arthur B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:51 pm  (Quote)

    Slartibartfast: I wonder if Dr. Ken is trying to fix the relative date problem and something went wrong.

    Last I read, both Foggy and Dr. Ken were unable to access the Admin control panel, and then the SHTF.

  129. Slartibartfast says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm  (Quote)

    Jeebus Chris!

    I was going to say that was a pretty strong statement, but then I followed the link… I’m not sure that the guy really exists–he might just be a pastiche of birther memes that has learned how to post on blogs.

    Dr. Conspiracy: http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-born-citizen/

  130. Slartibartfast says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm  (Quote)

    I read that too also. I guess it’s time to flee the country or start the frogs marching…

    Arthur B.: Last I read, both Foggy and Dr. Ken were unable to access the Admin control panel, and then the SHTF.

  131. Dave B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 4:07 pm  (Quote)

    Oh my gosh– an artificial ignorance has outdumbed the birthers? Well, they said this kind of thing was bound to happen. Sort of.

    Slartibartfast:
    Jeebus Chris!

    I was going to say that was a pretty strong statement, but then I followed the link…I’m not sure that the guy really exists–he might just be a pastiche of birther memes that has learned how to post on blogs.

  132. Arthur B. says:
    June 7, 2015 at 4:40 pm  (Quote)

    TFB is back up.

  133. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 8, 2015 at 6:04 am  (Quote)

    My website, http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com, was hacked from the inside of HostGator so I had no choice but to let it go.

    Arthur B.: Last I read, both Foggy and Dr. Ken were unable to access the Admin control panel, and then the SHTF.

  134. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 8, 2015 at 7:21 am  (Quote)

    This guy breaks new ground, for example, he adamantly asserts that the Reed Hayes report was released, and that he read it.

    Slartibartfast: he might just be a pastiche of birther memes that has learned how to post on blogs.

  135. RanTalbott says:
    June 8, 2015 at 10:19 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: This guy breaks new ground

    It may be brown, but that’s not “ground” that he’s breaking. 😉

    Birthers often seem to get their myths mixed up. Sooner or later, I’m sure we’ll see one claim he spent 2 million dollars to conceal his Kenyan draft card.

  136. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 8, 2015 at 10:37 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: My website, http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com, was hacked from the inside of HostGator so I had no choice but to let it go.

    Lol your host hacked your site? Are you sure it wasn’t them realizing your rants ruin their brand and they let you go?

  137. Rickey says:
    June 8, 2015 at 2:06 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    My website, http://www.iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.com, was hacked from the inside of HostGator so I had no choice but to let it go.

    That should give you more time to call Mike Moore. How is that going?

  138. Krosis says:
    June 8, 2015 at 2:13 pm  (Quote)

    Will the birthers soon assert that Obama had already been impeached, with Arpaio proclaimed the new president, and everyone who insists on the contrary are Obots?

  139. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 8, 2015 at 3:40 pm  (Quote)

    The Grace Po natural born citizen stories keep coming (sometimes more than one a day). Here’s the latest:

    http://opinion.inquirer.net/85594/is-grace-poe-a-martian

  140. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 8, 2015 at 3:40 pm  (Quote)

    Krosis:
    Will the birthers soon assert that Obama had already been impeached, with Arpaio proclaimed the new president, and everyone who insists on the contrary are Obots?

    They are pretty far down that rabbit hole, so that seems as likely as any other prediction. I never tire of watching birthers eat their own. Anyone they saw as an ally who either came to their senses, or were never really with them to begin with, get the empty threats treatment. And you can actually see just a bit more of BR’s collective morale die, each time it happens.

  141. Rickey says:
    June 8, 2015 at 4:03 pm  (Quote)

    Here is another candidate for the Birthers A to Z List.

    I shall leave aside whether Mr. Obama is actually not “a natural born Citizen”. If he were, he could and should establish that fact, which for some unfathomable reason he has so far refused to substantiate in any satisfactory manner. In the absence of proof on that score from the party in the best position to provide such proof, for the purposes of this commentary I shall assume to be valid the assertion that Mr. Obama is not “a natural born Citizen”.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin255.htm

  142. Rickey says:
    June 8, 2015 at 4:33 pm  (Quote)

    Krosis:
    Will the birthers soon assert that Obama had already been impeached, with Arpaio proclaimed the new president, and everyone who insists on the contrary are Obots?

    A right-wing website called americannews.com published a story two days ago which says that articles of impeachment were “recently drafted.” They actually are referring to articles which the head of the United States Justice Foundation drafted nearly two years ago.

    The birthers, with nothing new to say, keep recycling old hogwash.

  143. Jim says:
    June 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm  (Quote)

    Krosis:”Will the birthers soon assert that Obama had already been impeached, with Arpaio proclaimed the new president, and everyone who insists on the contrary are Obots?”

    Shhhhhhhhhh…Obama already declared Obama Law, Congress is just a figurehead to keep the citizens happy.

  144. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 8, 2015 at 6:53 pm  (Quote)

    It looks like I was not the only person to confuse charlesmountain with Charles (mountain goat) Kerchner.

    The esteemed William Rawle writing in 2013 at keystonepolitics replied to charlesmountain:

    Why don’t you take out another add in the Washington Times. That’s been so successful for you.

  145. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 8, 2015 at 10:14 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It looks like I was not the only person to confuse charlesmountain with Charles (mountain goat) Kerchner.

    The esteemed William Rawle writing in 2013 at keystonepolitics replied to charlesmountain:

    Well they’re both raging a-holes who make the same claims, spam the same links and repeat the same nonsense.

  146. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 6:12 am  (Quote)

    I paid for the website. I still had several months left on my account. Who are they to decide the content? If it can happen to me, it can happen to anybody. Oh, wait, it is happening to other people.

    I guess that’s so the anti-birthers can claim birtherism is dead. It’s not dead. It just being very, very heavily censored. And, we’re superior to China and Russia how?

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lol your host hacked your site?Are you sure it wasn’t them realizing your rants ruin their brand and they let you go?

  147. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 6:14 am  (Quote)

    What’s his number?

    Rickey: That should give you more time to call Mike Moore. How is that going?

  148. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    June 9, 2015 at 7:15 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: A right-wing website called americannews.com published a story two days ago which says that articles of impeachment were “recently drafted.” They actually are referring to articles which the head of the United States Justice Foundation drafted nearly two years ago.

    Even if those “articles” were current, it would have the importance of me writing something down on a piece of toilet paper and then claiming that a Constitutional Amendment has been proposed.

    The interesting thing is that the same people who (must) believe the entire Congress is complicit in some conspiracy also believe the same Congress has just been waiting for some loons to cobble together an impeachment demand to reverse course and turn on the Usurpsident.

  149. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    June 9, 2015 at 7:17 am  (Quote)

    Slartibartfast: eval()’d code on line 163

    Sounds, uh, “safe”…

  150. dr. kenneth noisewater says:
    June 9, 2015 at 8:11 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    What’s his number?

    He already told you how to find it, you’re lazy

  151. dr. kenneth noisewater says:
    June 9, 2015 at 8:13 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I paid for the website. I still had several months left on my account. Who are they to decide the content? If it can happen to me, it can happen to anybody. Oh, wait, it is happening to other people.

    I guess that’s so the anti-birthers can claim birtherism is dead. It’s not dead. It just being very, very heavily censored. And, we’re superior to China and Russia how?

    Lol you actually paid for that nonsense. I feel even more sorry for you than I did. They’re the hosting company obviously you didn’t read their terms of service agreement. Many hosting companies have certain rules about what they consider inappropriate content. Birtherism was dead the moment it started.

  152. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 9, 2015 at 9:23 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I paid for the website. I still had several months left on my account. Who are they to decide the content? If it can happen to me, it can happen to anybody. Oh, wait, it is happening to other people.

    I guess that’s so the anti-birthers can claim birtherism is dead. It’s not dead. It just being very, very heavily censored. And, we’re superior to China and Russia how?

    Blogger.com is free. If they allow Birther Report, they should allow your content.

  153. bovril says:
    June 9, 2015 at 9:34 am  (Quote)

    dr. kenneth noisewater: He already told you how to find it,you’re lazy

    Now Nancy, all of us know Doc Cs’s stance on personal information of non public individuals, it’s a no-no.

    Never mind the matter that even if some wicked Obit provided you with said number, if you ever actually used it, after you got blown off as a crazy person, all we would hear would be how you/they were gotten to.

    You have all the details you require, go to Whitepages.com or wherever else you want, plug in the name and town and ooh and behold…. details.

    Takes all of 10 seconds.

    Off you go Nancy, hop hop.

  154. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 9, 2015 at 11:46 am  (Quote)

    And that Russ guy is back with even more stupidity. Responding to your information about the verification letters he says this:

    “Russrhs 24 minutes ago
    the verification letter is proof that who ever signed it is saying that they have seen it and verified it. so basically your taking his word for it. that is your proof. some bodies word. lol. would never stand up in a court of law or a congressional hearing. so and so said they seen it so that makes it all legit. yea right. have u ever been to a court. I viously not.”

    “I viously” Russ has never been in court. The verification letter would stand up in court as it’s a statement by the civil servant who has the authority to examine the records.

  155. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 3:01 pm  (Quote)

    Oh, I didn’t know hosting company employees who modify their customer’s files are also qualified judges. Now I do.

    For the record, I never received any notice of violation and the customer rep continued to act like she was trying to fix the very files that she destroyed. Yes, she sounded as though was African-American based on her accent and speech patterns.

    dr. kenneth noisewater: Lol you actually paid for that nonsense. I feel even more sorry for you than I did. They’re the hosting company obviously you didn’t read their terms of service agreement.Many hosting companies have certain rules about what they consider inappropriate content. Birtherism was dead the moment it started.

  156. Slartibartfast says:
    June 9, 2015 at 3:04 pm  (Quote)

    Doc,

    Thanks for this (posted on the thread with russrhs):

    I will be brief, limiting the number of pearls cast. Smith was born in South Carolina, which is in the United States. Granted, it was part of British North America when Smith was born, but our framers understood that after the Revolution the political character of all who remained was changed to the allegiance of America. That is, any natural born British Subjects in what became the territory of the United States who chose to remain were considered natural born citizens of the United States.

    This is how Madison understood it, and how he argued that Smith was born a citizen of the United States in South Carolina.

    This is not just my opinion. Read Mr. Kettner’s book on American Citizenship.

    I believe that this is one of the most fundamental and universal birther misunderstandings and it is far too infrequently brought to light.

  157. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 3:19 pm  (Quote)

    Thank you, Doc. Here is my blog. It works great for a free product. But, I would have much rather enjoyed using all of the bells and whistles that I paid for on HostGator which, of course, I will never us again and encourage others not to make the same mistake that I did.

    http://obamatheperfectmanchuriancandidate.blogspot.com

    Dr. Conspiracy: Blogger.com is free. If they allow Birther Report, they should allow your content.

  158. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 9, 2015 at 4:21 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Oh, I didn’t know hosting company employees who modify their customer’s files are also qualified judges. Now I do.

    For the record, I never received any notice of violation and the customer rep continued to act like she was trying to fix the very files that she destroyed. Yes, she sounded as though was African-American based on her accent and speech patterns.

    Lol you’re now blaming the company for your own file problems. Obviously the other Nancy Ruth Owens was hacking you.

    Here you go with the racist nonsense.

  159. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    June 9, 2015 at 4:24 pm  (Quote)

    I use Blogger for Gerbil Report (and of course Birther Report itself uses Blogger). There are a lot of ways to customize a Blogger blog, and discussion on the Internet on how to do it. You can also take your existing domain and point it to the Blogger blog, for example gerbilreport.com is actually zulloreleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com.

    WordPress.com also provides free accounts using WordPress. I have never hosted one of those, so I didn’t suggest it.

    If you host your own account, as I do here, you have a great deal of flexibility, but you also have lots of maintenance headaches.

    Nancy R Owens: Thank you, Doc. Here is my blog. It works great for a free product. But, I would have much rather enjoyed using all of the bells and whistles that I paid for on HostGator which, of course, I will never us again and encourage others not to make the same mistake that I did.

  160. Reality Check says:
    June 9, 2015 at 4:49 pm  (Quote)

    Tha is a great comment. I have always believed it is incorrect to say that the grandfather clause was needed for the first presidents. I think they would have considered themselves natural born citizens. The grandfather clause was inserted for the benefit of those like Hamilton who were original citizens but not natural born subjects.

    The grandfather clause is just more evidence that the Birthers are full of crap when they take the meaning of John Jay’s letter to the extreme to eliminate the children of aliens who are native born citizens. If true why would the Founders allow someone born in Prussia who immigrated to the colonies to be president.?

    Slartibartfast: That is, any natural born British Subjects in what became the territory of the United States who chose to remain were considered natural born citizens of the United States.

  161. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 5:39 pm  (Quote)

    I guess in your world, Ken, nobody ever gets hacked, politicians are really good people, and there really is an Obama birth certificate.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lol you’re now blaming the company for your own file problems.Obviously the other Nancy Ruth Owens was hacking you.

    Here you go with the racist nonsense.

  162. CarlOrcas says:
    June 9, 2015 at 5:45 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Yes, she sounded as though was African-American based on her accent and speech patterns.

    And that means what…..exactly?

  163. Rickey says:
    June 9, 2015 at 5:49 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    What’s his number?

    ‘

    Since I last looked it up he changed the listing from “Kevin Moore” to “Mike Moore,” but it’s the same number.

    Call 1-863-555-1212 and ask for the phone number for Mike Moore in Clewiston. Then give him a call and ask him about Mike Zullo.

  164. Nancy R Owens says:
    June 9, 2015 at 7:25 pm  (Quote)

    I know what I know and I have it saved if anyone wants to challenge me as it appears you do.

    Call me racist.

    I am not so simple-minded that I care no matter how many years the government spends trying to brain wash us into believing that it is all good.

    My files were fixable until she split them in half by adding a space.

    CarlOrcas: And that means what…..exactly?

  165. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 9, 2015 at 8:19 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I guess in your world, Ken, nobody ever gets hacked, politicians are really good people, and there really is an Obama birth certificate.

    No in my world when people actually get hacked there’s proof of it. I’ve noticed that crazy people seem to claim they get hacked every time they show they don’t know how to use a computer. It reminds me of that lady who claimed she was hacked when she simply left something on her delete key.

    There is an Obama birth certificate and you’re still crazy.

  166. Keith says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:35 am  (Quote)

    Slartibartfast: I believe that this is one of the most fundamental and universal birther misunderstandings and it is far too infrequently brought to light.

    And it is exactly what folks with Hispanic heritage, whose families have lived in the Southwest for generations, mean when they say that “they didn’t cross the border, the border crossed them”.

    Sir William Blackstone said in 1765 that “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”. The descendants of Hispanic pioneering families out number the undocumented aliens by many millions. Yet Sheriff Arpaio seems the think that Blackstone got it backwards.

    Arpaio’s actions with respect to ‘racial profiling’ (ALL brown skinned people must be illegals so that there is probable cause) speaks to the principle that “It is better that ten (or a hundred or a thousand!) innocent persons should suffer so that one guilty should not escape”.

  167. Reality Check says:
    June 10, 2015 at 10:01 am  (Quote)

    RC Radio tonight:

    Clueless in Seattle

    9-11 PM EDT Phone 347-324-5546

  168. Rickey says:
    June 10, 2015 at 10:42 am  (Quote)

    Cody Robert Judy continues to pimp his SCOTUS petition, now suggesting that his case will force Obama to resign.

    Previously he posted that Obama defaulted when he declined to file a response, proving once again that birthers are clueless.

    And of course the only people who can post comments on his blog are people who agree with him.

  169. Thomas Brown says:
    June 10, 2015 at 10:47 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I guess in your world, Ken, nobody ever gets hacked, politicians are really good people, and there really is an Obama birth certificate.

    Yes, we live in the real world. People do get hacked, but people often believe they were when they weren’t. Many politicians are good people at heart, but some are just power-hungry swine. And Obama has a perfectly good birth certificate… on that there is no equivocation necessary.

    You live in a fantasy world, doing nothing for anyone. We contribute to society and deal in facts.

    Here’s one: you are simply a boil on the butt of America.

  170. Arthur says:
    June 10, 2015 at 10:55 am  (Quote)

    Rickey: And of course the only people who can post comments on his blog are people who agree with him.

    Cody, like most lunatics, has a thin skin.

  171. CarlOrcas says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:14 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I know what I know and I have it saved if anyone wants to challenge me as it appears you do.

    Call me racist.

    I am not so simple-minded that I care no matter how many years the government spends trying to brain wash us into believing that it is all good.

    My files were fixable until she split them in half by adding a space.

    I’m not “challenging” your observation that the person “sounded…..African-American”.

    I just asked what you think it means. It appears that you think this person did something to your files or website because she’s “African-American”…..is that it?

    What makes you think that…..beyond her accent?

  172. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I know what I know and I have it saved if anyone wants to challenge me as it appears you do.

    Call me racist.

    Okay I’ll call you racist. Since you’ve certainly proved it in a lot of your old comments and videos on the internet over the years. How do you know what you know since your claims change from day to day and include new people whom you didn’t even know previously.

    Don’t blame others for your own incompetence.

  173. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:31 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur: Cody, like most lunatics, has a thin skin.

    Yep he blocked me on twitter simply because I retweeted this dumb photo of his: https://twitter.com/CodyRobertJudy/status/575153807601967104

    Oh and I called him Generalissmo Cody

  174. Arthur says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:50 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I am not so simple-minded

    Not so simpleminded, but simpleminded enough to be ridiculous.

  175. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:51 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I am not so simple-minded

    Simpleminded or not, you’re a spaz.

  176. Andrew Vrba, PmG says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:52 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey:
    Cody Robert Judy continues to pimp his SCOTUS petition, now suggesting that his case will force Obama to resign.

    Previously he posted that Obama defaulted when he declined to file a response, proving once again that birthers are clueless.

    And of course the only people who can post comments on his blog are people who agree with him.

    I’m curious to what reality his mind will construct to compensate for his fantasy not happening.

  177. Arthur says:
    June 10, 2015 at 4:58 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yep he blocked me on twitter simply because I retweeted this dumb photo of his: https://twitter.com/CodyRobertJudy/status/575153807601967104

    Oh and I called him Generalissmo Cody

    What a comically self indulgent image. So like his music,

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