Mike Volin said he wanted me on his show last week, but I guess I got overshadowed by the breaking story of Cody Robert Judy at the Supreme Court. Preparation for Judy’s appearance last night must have been taxing. So while we await Judy’s inevitable rejection, here’s the audio.
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What day will we see “Cert Denied?”
It should be posted Monday at 10 AM.
I’ll be traveling that day so somebody else will perhaps check and comment–or I could just write the article now and auto post it.
Yup.
I’ve been denied Certs before. Man, some people can be so stingy with their breath mints!
Certs is a candy mint!
Gee, I wonder what CBS would think of his use of their (presumably, still under copyright) theme song.
Can you say “DMCA take-down, Danno”, boys and girls?
It’s two, two mints in one.
I was wondering about that. It turns out there is an ongoing lawsuit by the estate of the composer (Morton Stevens) against CBS.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/cbs-sued-hawaii-five-o-783275
Violin screwed up big time. In light of the shooting in SC, Crj had no place being a guest on the show. crj too tried to harm people in a house of worship by threatening to use bomb. to have crj on the show was just so uncalled for.
Crj won’t even begin to get consideration from Scotus as soon they see the word frivolous in the judges order, its Doa
I agree with you, John.
So, john, would it be appropriate to have crj on the show at another time given his past activities? Perhaps you are just realising how unacceptable some of your birther heros are.
John,
Now, if you’ll begin to see the other Birthers with the same clarity, you’ll be on your way to a better life. What are your thoughts on A/Z day ?
Cody Robert Judy is simply a dysfunctional individual with some very obvious mental health problems. Fact is, a lot of birthers share the very same personality difficulties. That doesn’t excuse their generally awful behaviors, but it does help in part to explain them.
Folks, remember this. Any time you think john might come around, keep in mind that he’s perfectly fine with “kill zones”, being placed at our border.
I know but I john has more integrity by far that any Birther I know; not that it takes a lot to do that.
I haven’t a single kind word for the little scab.
Yes he’s the world’s biggest whiner in birtherism. Always playing and no one actually caring to listen.
Doc, you should sue Volin for not having you on the show; that’s a reeeko.
CRJ did try to blow up a church or house or worship. But, I grant you the bomb was a fake so there was real no harm done. Nevertheless, to bring CRJ on the day or day after a mass shooting in a house of worship is really quite sickening. Mike should have called CRJ and rescheduled for later.
This being one of those cases where it is the thought, or lack thereof, that counts.
I certainly understand and respect your opinion. jy has said some disgusting things including saying he would gladly melt down the medal of a MoH winner who testified against his hero and traitor Terry Lakin.
It will never come. The CCP is debunked. There was a time where it had real promise but failure to address issues with it and to release new information along with Arpaio’s current legal problems involving Dennis Montgomery have left it completely debunked and discredited.
John must be back on his meds. Or maybe the fact that NY’s AJ has sent a cease and desist order to GNC, Target, Walgreens and Wal-Mart to pull their woo-woo products has brought him to his senses.
John
“It will never come. The CCP is debunked. There was a time where it had real promise but failure to address issues with it and to release new information along with Arpaio’s current legal problems involving Dennis Montgomery have left it completely debunked and discredited.”
Thanks for your answer John. Would you agree that Dr. Conspiracy, Foggy and Reality Check along with others here have been straight forward and honest in their attempt to expose the sham investigation? Do you think you were misled by people within the birther movement?
It only “had real promise” in the minds of the gullible.
From the very beginning it was perfectly clear that the CCP’s so-called “investigation” was a really just a campaign fund raising device for the Sheriff’s 2012 re-election campaign. Arpaio even admitted to that in “The Joe Show.” Sheriff Joe, effectively closed the “investigation” with his July, 2012 press conference, three full years ago.
Real investigations into fraud and corruption don’t get handed off to citizen posses led by used car salesmen. That was the first clue this was a sham and a scam intended to cull birther bucks from the ignorant and clueless.
Now – returning to topic – Cody Robert Judy is one of those among the ignorant and clueless.
My own view is that the CCP never had “real promise.” First, from its inception, the CCP lacked both resources and jurisdiction. Using the CCP allowed Arpaio to do something to placate the Tea Party and poking his adversary Obama in the eye, while avoiding the public criticism that would have arisen from using Department resources and funds; however, without those professional resources, the investigation lacked credibility from the outset. One could add to that the book deal between Mike Zullo and professional birther Corsi–a connection that forever labeled the CCP a smear rather than an investigation. A serious investigation would not allow itself to give the perception of bias.
The second “disappointment” was the first news conference, where the arguments were based on inexpert analysis, and weasel words, avoiding specific accusations directed against an individual, or citing a statute that was violated. It showed that they really didn’t have anything, and were nowhere close to making any kind of a case. Someone like me who is practiced at it, can see when someone is trying to mislead his audience through verbal trickery. So it was easy to see Zullo was up to no good even before sifting through the specifics.
I would say, then, that the Cold Case Posse was an easily-identified side show from the start, and any hopes placed upon them were unjustified.
The CCP posse was a success — Arpaio got a few bucks and Zullo got a lovely vacation in Hawaii.
And the birthers have been shown to be the fools they are.
But john, do you understand the real issue? That A/Z day will never come — and never had real promise — because President Obama was born in Hawaii and his birth documents are just what he’s been saying they are?
Have you figured that out yet?
Just because the CCP is debunk doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem. As it stands, Obama was probably born in Hawaii. Of course there is evidence you simply can’t ignore such the 1993 Phamplet that said he was born in Kenya. The publisist’s explanation is absurd nonsense which it remains to be seen if Obama passed himself off as a foreigner in various parts of his life. Do his college records reveal that. We may never know.
Evidence you can’t ignore? And what about the birth certificates and the letters of verification? How can you ignore them?
Your answer used to be that the CCP was going to show those documents to have been falsified, and the proof was coming any day now. But now that even you acknowledge that that day is never coming, what evidence do you have that can overcome the enormous probative weight of official state documents?
The publisher’s brochure, on the other hand, has no weight whatsoever. There is no reason to suppose that the person who wrote it had personal knowledge of the President’s birth place — and, if she did, you could simply put her on the stand to testify as to what she knew and how she knew it. Simply calling her explanation “absurd nonsense” without proof will get you nowhere.
You are absolutely correct. It was a charade and nothing more.
John, I was really hoping that you finally had reached the conclusion that you and many others like you were taken for a ride. I now detect some back pedaling on your part.
Absurd nonsense? She wrote the dang thing she says it was her error. Thus it negates the whole pamphlet. Not like it mattered anyway since pamphlet would be hearsay.
So how do you excuse the articles from before 1993 saying Obama was born in Hawaii. Tell me something “John” what point would there be in telling the world you were born in Hawaii as there are numerous interviews and articles over the years saying he was born in Hawaii and then telling some publisher you didn’t end up hiring that you were born in Kenya. The pamphlet went uncirculated which is why birthers didn’t find it until 2012. So why tell virtually no one you were born in Kenya? What motive is there?
There’s no proof he passed himself off as a foreigner.
Not to mention the fact that the important question is, where was he born?
The DOH documents — completely unrefuted — show that he was born in Hawaii. There is no evidence to the contrary.
Red herrings like “Obama passed himself off as a foreigner in various parts of his life” may be fun to fish for, but they lend no support to the original claim of a foreign birth.
Just as Orly has been reduced to a reliance on the nonsensical “Bounel” SSAN, john seems to feel that his strongest argument emanates from the meaningless brochure. They are both light-years from what they originally set out to prove.
The vacuity of the birther position is laid completely bare.
The Publishers’ promotional pamphlet was from 1991 not 1993 and more than a year earlier there were articles about Barack Obama in major metropolitan area newspapers such as the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Post. These articles were because Obama had just been elected to head the Harvard Law Review. In every instance, the 1990 newspaper articles on Barack Obama listed Hawaii as his place of birth, and again, this was a year before the 1991 Promotional Booklet.
Here’s a link to the New York Times article from February 6, 1990: “First Black To Head Harvard’s Law Review”
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
Three weeks after Barack Obama was born, his father was interviewed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) concerning a requested student visa extension.
The INS agent (William Wood) who interviewed Barack Obama Senior wrote a memo in which Obama Senior said that he had a U.S. Citizen wife and a son who was born in Honolulu.
The Wood Memo :
https://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/obama-sr-ins-file-pg-34.jpg
When six year old Barack Obama moved to Indonesia in 1967 with his mother to join his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, he was enrolled at St. Francis of Asissi Roman Catholic School in Jakarta.
The school application lists Honolulu as his birthplace:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uxm74BqfyEU/UPljtec2b_I/AAAAAAAAAFI/oX_V4KBWpCE/s640/SoetoroSchoolRecord.jpg
My article on the denial of cert will auto-publish at midnight.
Certs is a laxative 😳
Very old joke.
You’ve been around here long enough to know that the story about Obama being a foreign student was an April Fool’s joke. The claim that Obama was a foreign student has always been tied to the claim that he used the name Barry Soetoro. We have enough records from Occidental and Columbia to know for sure he did’t attend under that names. FERPA keeps most college records private, but not student lists. Breitbart published the Columbia graduation list.
Think about it: how do you pass yourself off to a college as a foreign student with a US high school transcript?
Not to mention we know he attended Punahoa as Barack Obama from the videos of the high school yearbooks on youtube.
The birther movement is web of unanswered questions that will never be answered or have disappeared from attention. I would love to know someday the answers to these questions:
Why does Obama have a SSN from CT and why did it fail E-Verify? – Never been answered definitely.
What more information does that Hollywood Movie producer have on the Birther scandal involving the Clintons?
Whatever happend to Mia Pope. She had interesting information and then disappeared.
Who is mole that Corsi referred to at the Hawaii DOH that tipped him off to a possible forged birth certificate.
How does or why does the Kenyan Government as well the foreign presses believe Obama was born in Kenya?
Why was a museum built in Kenya to honor Obama’s birth there.
What is contained in Reed Haye’s Report.
What more is there to death of Loretta Fuddy.
What passports has Obama owed in the past.
The questions go on and on and on with no definitive answers.
No the birther movement is full of questions that have been answered thousands of times over that you just don’t accept the answers.
Because Social Security is a federal program and issued the number to Obama in 1977. He didn’t fail E-verify. Linda Jordan failed E-verify because she used the self check system to check a social that wasn’t hers and couldn’t pass the third party identification process.
There was no information since she made the whole thing up. She has never shown any proof that she was anywhere near Clinton. She has shown she was a pre-existing birther who posted on puma boards and then decided to tell a story years later.
There was no mole. Corsi as he always does makes up stories. Corsi lied plain and simple.
Whatever happened to her? She’s given interviews as recent as March on birther shows. She never could prove her claims. Not a single person who has known her has come forward to say that Mia knew Obama. Mia cobbled together birther rumors and tried making them her own. Mia like the other birthers such as racebannon, etc made up stories years after the fact in order to have some 15 minutes of fame.
The Kenyan government doesn’t believe he was born in Kenya. In fact they denied he was born there and said they have found no records suggesting he was born there.
There is no museum built in Kenya to Honor Obama’s birth there. No such museum exists.
A big steaming turd from a guy not even qualified to examine the PDF file.
There is nothing more.
United States of America passport and that’s it.
You’re a gullible fool John
You have received the correct answers numerous times. You just refuse to believe them.
It never had any “promise” to begin with. The CCP has always been a bumbling joke. They set out from the beginning repeating long discredited birther claims.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater gave a better response to John’s idiotic questions.
The birther mind is a mysterious thing. Completely void of reason.
Brithers made the mistake of depending on Zullo when they should have hired a real detective like Nick Danger, Third Eye.
RIP Phil Austin
This is what I call “worshiping the pile” and one sees it in arguments with birthers, usually when they are losing on some small point. The dump a list, like these “unanswered questions” or “sealed documents” or something akin to them. The argument is that there must be something to it since the pile is so big. But if someone diligently shovels out the contents of the horse stable long enough, they will make a large pile, but it is a pile of horse shit, not something of significance that deserves investigation. I and others on my side of the field have done a forensic examination of the pile, and found that it is pure unadulterated horse shit.
As for the Reed Hayes report, that is a birther problem, not an Obama problem. My present theory about the Reed Hayes report is that you have essentially read it already. I strongly suspect that it is a repackaged compilation of prior birther crank image analysis.
There’s a lot of truth to what you say, john, and I must say I’m reading a different tone in what you wrote from what most of the others here have taken.
If the question is, why does Obama’s SSAN have a code that one might have expected to denote Connecticut, we don’t know the answer. There has been some speculation concerning typographical errors; and we know for certain that, as there was no strict coding involved, there’s no significance to the apparent mismatch. But I imagine it’s likely to be a question that remains unanswered.
On the other hand, the question about failing E-Verify is based on a false premise. If you look a little deeper into it, you will see that it’s one of those ideas that appealed to you because it seemed to reinforce other beliefs of yours. If you go back and look at the facts more objectively, I think you’ll see what I mean.
And so on down the list. Pretty much all of them rely on unfounded assumptions that only a birther would be willing to make. Perhaps you can look with fresh eyes now.
But your stated insight is an important one. The birthers came on the scene challenging the President’s birthplace, and as challengers they had the burden of proof. Now, seven years later, what has been clear to us for years is finally dawning on you. The birther movement, for all the time it’s had and all the odd questions it’s concocted and all the rocks under which it’s looked for answers, has come up with nothing. Not a shred of evidence.
All it is is a web of unanswered questions that will never be answered or have disappeared from attention.
Don’t worry Birthers, you still have Donald Trump! I’m sure that once he becomes president, he will uncover what his private investigators have found and immediately reveal all!
This is the easy one. SSA blocks access to Obama’s SSA records. eVerify, Self-Check and even the Health Care marketplace can’t access it. SSA does this for select national figures, a fact I learned from SSA in response to a FOIA query.
I finally forced myself to listen to parts of the interview with Cody Judy. To call Judy inarticulate and clueless is probably being kind. Of course Volin is no better. My favorite quote from Judy, “We need to restore the things that are ruining America”. The recently disbarred attorney Phil Berg called in at the end of the show too.
To think that Volin bumped Doc as a guest to have on this fool is hilarious.
I wonder if anybody making that false “failed E-Verify” claim even has any idea how the E-Verify system is used. One has to be either an employer registered to use the system, and use the system ONLY to verify the status of an employee who has submitted an I-9 to that employer; or an individual using the Self-check feature to verify one’s OWN status.
In order to use the system, an employer must have had access to the employee’s current identity and employment eligibility documents (or a current document that serves as both, like a US passport). The document numbers and, if applicable, expiration dates, must be entered when creating an E-Verify case. You simply cannot use the employer E-Verify system with just a social security number.
In completing the form I-9, the employer must have signed the following certification:
“I attest, under penalty of perjury, that (1) I have examined the document(s) presented by the above-named employee, (2) the above-listed documents appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee named, and (3) to the best of my knowledge the employee is authorized to work in the United States.”
According to the E-Verify User Manual for Employers, “All E-Verify users must follow the guidelines specified in the ‘Rules and Responsibilities Overview”—
“Employers who participate in E-Verify MUST:
Follow E-Verify procedures for each newly hired employee while enrolled and
participating in E-Verify.
Notify each job applicant of E-Verify participation.
Clearly display the ‘Notice of E-Verify Participation’ and the ‘Right to Work’
posters in English and Spanish and may also display the posters in other
languages provided by DHS.
Complete Form I-9 for each newly hired employee before creating a case in
E-Verify.
Obtain a Social Security number (SSN) from each newly hired employee on
Form I-9.
Ensure that Form I-9 ‘List B’ identity documents have a photo (Section 2.1).
Create a case for each newly hired employee no later than the third business
day after he or she starts work for pay.
Provide each employee with notice of and the opportunity to contest a
Tentative Nonconfirmation (TNC).
Ensure that all personally identifiable information is safeguarded.”
According to the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) which MUST be signed by every enrolled employer,
“The Employer agrees that it will use the information it receives from E-Verify only to confirm the employment eligibility of employees as authorized by this MOU. The Employer agrees that it will safeguard this information, and means of access to it (such as PINS and passwords), to ensure that it is not used for any other purpose and as necessary to protect its confidentiality, including ensuring that it is not disseminated to any person other than employees of the Employer who are authorized to perform the Employer’s responsibilities under this MOU, except for such dissemination as may be authorized in advance by SSA or DHS for legitimate purposes”
and
“The Employer acknowledges that the information it receives from SSA is governed by the Privacy Act (5 U.S.C. § 552a(i)(1) and (3)) and the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1306(a)). Any person who obtains this information under false pretenses or uses it for any purpose other than as provided for in this MOU may be subject to criminal penalties”
and
“The Employer understands that if it uses E-Verify procedures for any purpose other than as authorized by this MOU, the Employer may be subject to appropriate legal action and termination of its participation in E-Verify according to this MOU.”
In order to use the Self Check service, one must of course be the party in question oneself. There is just just no way the E-Verify system can legitimately be used for birther purposes.
As I’ve said previously, I seriously doubt that any of the birthers involved are or were smart enough, then nor now, to actually accomplish an e-verify on themselves, let alone anyone else. The system is notoriously cranky on a good day, and since they didn’t have good information or really valid to start with it is highly unlikely that they were even able to correctly complete the process. That coupled with the fact that the President’s information would most likely have been blocked as soon as he was nominated means that there is no way they could have gotten an answer even if they had valid information. The attempt should have been flagged at SSA, but that is probably hoping for a bit much. The stupid it burns, and seems to keep rising to the surface like the pond scum it is.
What a nice and very fitting expression! I’ll add that to my vocabulary for future discussions with cranks.
It’s not just that Doc, I doubt Linda Jordan would have been able to pass the third party identification questions. This is why I ask birthers to run the self check system on themselves. Typically there is a set of three questions that are in addition to knowing the social, name birthdate, etc. Mine were who I had my auto lease with, what the payments were and the timeframe of my bill. You know stuff that I would know personally.
At this rate john will be all out of straws to grasp by lunchtime.
Well, I think I can provide answers to at least a few of these.
He doesn’t. You’re a moron.
I actually have a definitive answer to this. It was the mole on Corsi’s butt. Left side, to be precise.
It doesn’t. You’re a moron.
It wasn’t. You’re a moron, and you’ve read too much crap from WND.
Now there’s a real mystery. However, from my secret sources I am able to give you at least an overview. What’s contained in Reed Haye’s top-secret Report? Crap.
There you go. An accurate answer, and all at no charge to you. What more can you ask for?
Now we’re getting into the dangerous stuff. Loretta Fuddy was murdered by a certain birther, in order to give the birther movement a death that could serve as more fuel. I could show you the proof, but I’m in enough danger just posting this as it is.
All of them, until he paid the applicable fees.
As I’ve reported here previously, both my wife and I, native Hoosiers, have social security numbers which indicate a relationship with a different state. In my wife’s case, we think that may be because her first job was at a camp in Wisconsin, but my first paycheck was from the family business here in Indiana. A government which has trouble getting a letter from Boston o San Francisco in under three days might mess up other things. Who cares? I have birth certificate from Indiana, and the President has one from Hawaii.
There are lots of folks who “fail” e-verify even if you do it right. That’s been explained here numerous times. In a world where Dr. Taitz can publish and re-publish the President’s social security number (not to speak of Chinese hacking), it is no wonder that we protect some people. That the President’s social security number is protected for security reasons is no more amazing than that the President is protected by the Secret Service.
And John, feel free to get and publish the Reed Hayes report Even you don’t contend that the President has any control over that document. It’s your friends who refuse to publish it. And while you are at it, getting your buddy Donald Trump to tell us exactly what his investigators found in Hawaii. The President is not hiding the results of that investigation, either.
Yes, John, you would love to know someday, the answers to your current list of the 7 year blizzard of Birther un-evidenced conclusory allegations against Obama, styled as ‘questions’, in the same way that a thirteen-year-old window-peeker would love to grow someday, at least three inches taller.
The birther movement is a bottomless pit of assumption-loaded questions that by design, can never ALL be answered. Birthers continue to perpetually suggest more such questions. These questions, even when answered in a way that exonerates Obama, are repeated by Birthers, who typically then further profess doubt about ANY answer that benefits Obama, no matter HOW OFFICIAL that answer is.
Regardless of how completely Birther questions are answered, ANY of the endless successive unanswered follow-up questions newly posed, is claimed to have tipped the circumstantial evidence scales back in favor of claiming that there is something illegal or unconstitutional about Obama’s Presidential eligibility, or US Citizenship, or status as a law abiding citizen.
Because the never-ending and claimed-never-satisfactorily answered questions are by themselves, too transparent a method of goalpost moving and burden-shifting to work with the public when it comes to America’s precious commitment to ‘innocent until proven guilty’, Birthers aggressively employ one of the greatest outrages possible against the Constitution; they themselves usurp the judiciary’s power to pre-eminently interpret the Constitution, not just in interpreting what ‘Natural Born Citizen’ means for Presidential Eligibility, but prepostering to pre-eminently declare HOW, and WHEN and with WHAT OUTCOME courts must act to be legitimate in processing and trying Birther related cases. They even pretend to have over the courts, the pre-eminent legal interpretation of previous related court decisions.
They are not simply exercising their right to say that they believe Obama is an usurper, or that in their opinion, Obama is guilty of specific crimes. They declare that Obama IS an usurper and that he IS guilty of specific crimes AS THOUGH THEIR PRIVATE CONCLUSION IS OFFICIAL.
They then declare, as though they were prosecutors, that all of the real courts and real other government officials who have not legally pursued Obama in the manner preferred by the Birthers, are all traitors to the Constitution, and ALL KNOW that Obama is ineligible to the Presidency and is guilty of whatever crimes any Birther cares to repeat or make up. Having openly usurped the Judicial power to try Obama, Birthers proceed on to ASSUME by DECLARATION that he would be found guilty and that all the officials who did not pursue that outcome, should themselves be hauled off to prison or hanged, often by Birther-approved, if not Birther-solicited, vigilantes. In Birther-land, this is how freedom reigns.
Birthers live in a sort of parallel dimension where Obama is irretrievably guilty of numerous odious monstrous crimes to a degree that transcends the need for conventional proof and forfeits for him the guaranteed presumption of innocence. Birthers, being anarchists, are not constrained to settling for consensus Birther demands as sufficient to prove their accusations false; Obama can remain ‘guilty’ even if he REPEATEDLY proves himself innocent, BY SPECIFIC and EVER-INCREASING DEMANDS WHICH EVERY BIRTHER CAN UNIQUELY DICTATE!
In such a state of mind, Birthers are infuriated by the mention on Obama’s behalf, of what would be conventional exonerating evidence for any other American Citizen. Mere OFFICIAL LEGAL innocence will not suffice to get his neck out of their noose.
To explain the abject failure of their ineligibility claims about Obama, in not getting any significant support from anyone but a handful of the craziest right-wing lunatics, Birthers have manufactured the craziest explanation for failing imaginable. With a straight face they assure each other and a laughing general public, that EVERYBODY knows that Birthers are right about Obama’s ineligibility, and their other accusations against him!
It’s a perfect conspiracy of ALL of the thousands of government officials and the press corps protecting and defending the usurper. Of course, this is pathetically mediocre 6th grade reasoning, the only kind capable of supplying for Birthers an explanation that avoids admitting how wrong they HAVE PROVEN to be!
It’s not just at BR, but anywhere Birthers emerge, that they demonstrate the ultimate disregard for the Constitution. The Framers designated the judiciary to settle disputes. Naturally some of those disputes will concern if, how and by what means the judiciary will settle said disputes. As John Bingham said during Johnson’s impeachment proceeding, the Constitution gives no judicial power to private citizens, INCLUDING PRESIDENTS!
Birthers openly and repeatedly claim the power to privately interpret what NBC means and demand that their conclusion requires that legitimate government must ignore the outcome of a legal election and imprison thousands of law-abiding citizens, (the disagreeing government officials and members of the press corp)!
Birthers, Kerchner for example, NEVER address the fact that their usurpation of the judiciary’s power to interpret the Constitution, including the power to say when, how, and if the judiciary should act, and substitute their own private Birther interpretations is nothing less horrific than the power to privately interpret (and therefore ignore or disobey) the entire Constitution.
The Birthers are hypocritical adult crybabies. When they frivolously and abusively involve the courts in this extended tantrum over the oft-confirmed Presidential eligibility and legal election of Obama, they show their true anarchistic stripes.
The Founders would undoubtedly spit on Birthers.
Their pretense of defending the Constitution is exposed by their utter disregard for the above mentioned two of its premier provisions and EVEN MORE importantly, a social principle upon which every one of its provisions and the ongoing viability of every nation critically depend.
It is the principle upon which productive discourse here on Doc’s blog, critically depends and the principle without which, the Framers would have never even tried to collectively establish this nation. It’s intellectual integrity.
Could I sum that up a bit more succinctly?
Birthers are moronic, hypocritical dipsh*ts.
(See the past 7 years of archives of this site for a thorough proof of this.)
Thanks! I meant to say just that, but I couldn’t think of the word, “moronic”.