Today was interesting for what happened in the Melendres v. Arpaio lawsuit. First, hearings are back on schedule for the contempt proceedings against Sheriff Arpaio, and Deputy Sheridan:. That’s scheduled for September 22-25 and September 29-October 2. Larry Klayman showed up, but left with his pro hac vice parking stub not validated. Judge Snow, for his part, suggested that Larry Klayman himself could be a witness, and that is certainly a conflict of interest for Klayman to both represent Montgomery and be questioned about him.1
Meanwhile the US Department of Justice moved to intervene in the Melendres case and Judge Snow granted their request for copies of the material supplied to Arpaio’s office by Dennis Montgomery. The DOJ ought to be very interested in the possibility that Montgomery absquatulated with secret CIA material, including harvested telecommunications metadata.
Right in the middle of what the Sheriff’s Office called the “Seattle Operation” sits Mike Zullo who was one of the people in Seattle babysitting Montgomery for Sheriff Joe, and was involved in the chain of emails between Detective Mackiewicz, Larry Klayman and Dennis Montgomery that seems to contradict Arpaio’s claims under oath that he wasn’t targeting Judge Snow. This writer thinks that Zullo’s testimony is crucial in determining whether Arpaio was up to his old tricks of investigating his enemies, and whether he lied about it to Judge Snow.
As for the punishment phase of the contempt trial, I think Sheriff Arpaio should be sentenced to watch the 60 hard drives full of Al Jazeera broadcasts he paid Montgomery $120,000 in public funds to obtain.
Read more:
- “Snow Allows DOJ to Review Montgomery Docs, Denies Stay Request, Sets Dates for Further Contempt Hearings” – Stephen Lemons, Phoenix New Times.
- “Dates set to resume Arpaio’s contempt-of-court hearings” – Jacques Billeaud, Associated Press
1I am not a lawyer, but I understand that attorney-client privilege doesn’t hold once the material is disclosed to a third party, in this case Klayman’s discussion with Mike Zullo.
Let the Zullo games begin!
“absquatulated”?!?! KUDOS to you, Sir!
Let’s play the “Who is on the FBI persons to interview list?” game:
Montgomery
“David Webb”
Zullo
Mackiewicz
Klayman
Anglin
Sheridan
Arpaio
Reality Check
July 20, 2015
Let’s play the “Who is on the FBI persons to interview list?” game:
Montgomery
“David Webb”
Zullo
Mackiewicz
Klayman
Anglin
Sheridan
Arpaio
LISA ALLEN!
Carl Gallups
Mark Gillar
A Clockwork Pink
Karl Gall Oops!: “We’re back Listeners with our special Monday evening edition of Free Dumb Friday! I’ve not been following the Our Pie Hole contempt hearing, but today, the Lord put it on my heart to clarify and remind you faithful listeners, of what my position has been all along on the Coaled Case Pussie’s investigation of President Obama. Regarding that matter, I KNOW NOTHING, I have seen NOTHING – at least eleven times -, I have heard NOTHING, I am aware of NO EVIDENCE of ANY WRONGDOING on the part of the President, I have recordings of many statements made to me by Mike Zoo Low ON THE AIR, saying he COULD NOT TELL ME ANYTHING about the case, and if I gave the impression I knew anything at all about any investigation, that was just my lack of law enforcement experience making me unaccountable for leading you listeners to believe we were successfully pursuing Obama so that you would send us your Grandmother’s hand-painted Bavarian dinnerware. I have never favored mixing politics with my religion; that would end me up in Hell alongside people of the Jewish faith, including especially those who don’t purchase my best-selling books about Rabbis who discover MY GOD is killer!
So again, I know nothing, there never were any V IP’s, Our Pie Hole has NOTHING, Zoo Low has NOTHING, Bat Poone knows LESS than NOTHING, and all the station’s records were destroyed in a fire that will break out tonight! Bye for now!”
THE DAY THE BIRTHERS DIED
(LAMENT OF A BIRTHER PROFITEER)
(Slow and reverent, fond reminiscing)
A long, long time ago, I can still remember when the Birthers use to make me smile.
And I knew if I had the chance, to profit from Birthers while they rant, that may be I’d be happy for a while.
2008, had made them shiver, when election results they were delivered. It was bad news on their door steps, they cried and shouted, “what the heck?”
I can’t remember if I cried, when their delusions of victory began to subside, but something touched me deep inside, the day the Birther’s died.
So bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried,
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
(Up tempo, remembering the good ole days)
Did you read, all the books we sold, you know this Birther stuff is worth its weight in gold, but we’ll never tell you so.
If you believe in Vattell of old the posse said they’d save the Birther’s souls, then the posse, lead them on and on real slow.
They said Hawaii’s in cahoots with him, and when more money was sent they began to grin,
then they all kicked off their shoes, on white sand beaches in those waters of blue.
Back home I too was making lots of bucks, I sold impeach Obama stickers for their pickup trucks, but I knew that it had all gone bust, the day the Birthers died.
I started singing, bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried.
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
Now, for six years they’d been on their own but with the Sheriff on board they thought they’d really grown but, that’s not how it was to be
Then Orly spoke to the court in words, from a brief she borrowed from Philip Berg, in a voice that never went to court for free.
Oh and how the Birthers began to frown, when for the second time Obama took the crown. All the court rooms were adjourned. Case dismissed was what was returned.
And although Orly never hit the Mark, I still made lots of cash at birther rally parks, while Gallups kept them in the dark till the day the Bithers died
And he was singing,
bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried.
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
Helter skelter in a summer swelter. They swore by March they’d have their shit together. Nine months soon and coming fast.
They swore for years Obama’d never last, but that thing in March just never came to pass, so the Birthers got defensive, and then crass.
They said, the only reason we got Cruz, is cause the whole thing has been rigged by Jews.
Then they tried to take it back, oh but they never got the chance.
Cause when the Birthers tried to make it real, the Congress all refused to yield, I guess
them VIPs just up and quit the deal, the day the Birthers died.
And they were singing –
bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried.
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
Well Birthers could never stay in one place, so they filed their Birther cases in every state, and when they lost they filed again.
Some lawyers are nimble and some are quick, and good lawyers just jump over them candle sticks, cause money is a lawyers only friend.
Klayman turned the court room turned into a stage, where he quoted Vatell with clenched fists in rage.
But no lawyer born in Hell, Could break Obama’s spell.
\
And as Obama’s poll numbers began to rise and celebrations ran all though the nite, I saw Obots laughing with delight the day the Birthers died.
But I was singing –
bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried.
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
(slow and reverent, sad now because my Impeach Obama sticker sales have just about tanked)
I met a girl named Sharon Rondue, and I asked her for some happy news, but she just smiled and turned away.
So I went down to the Birther Report, where I’d laughed at Birthers years before, but the man there said that Obots couldn’t play.
And in the streets the Birthers screamed, cause gay marriage was legal the courts had deemed, but not a word was spoken, their spirits now were broken.
And the three men I admired most, Apairo, Zullo and the Gallups show host, they took the last train for the coast, the day the Birthers died.
And they were singing –
bye, bye Birther pie in the sky. Boy Hawaii sure was great till the donations went dry. Now us good ole boys are all caught up in our lies but we hope they still believe that we tried.
Yes, we hope they still believe that we tried.
And BINGO was his name-o
I learned a new old word today, so it wasn’t a total loss, and I mystified a fellow word fan with it. A twofer. We neither one knew it, and it so fits the person applied to.
I think I learned this word here on this very website some years ago but haven’t had a chance to use it since. 😉
No new delay attempts? Or is Arpaio looking for a new set of lawyers willing to go even beyond what his current bunch has done in their recusal motion?
Can anyone file a bar complaint? Because I think his counsel requires at least a very stern warning for their blatant attempt to use the argument “the judge must recuse himself because we were running a shady investigation of him” alongside “although our client himself testified under oath these Grissom claims are bogus, they must be considered as true in a recusal motion”. Both arguments look highly frivolous to me, and if any lawyer tried them against me, you can be sure I’d raise living hell.
Am hoping they get back to the weekly status conferences. They kept headlines and editorials on this entertaining and ongoing.
I attribute my knowledge of the word to Mark Twain, although a quick search didn’t turn up the reference. I introduced the word here on the blog in my article “Donofrio absquatulates” in 2009. Another favorite word of mine that I managed to slip in a couple of times is “transmogrify.”
I know that one! I play Diablo 3 a lot and that’s what they call transforming one item’s appearance (weapon, shield, …) into that of another.
“Discombobulated” is another one I learned around here.
It seems to me that the charts in the Arpaio/Montgomery material that allege specific telephone calls and times constitutes sufficient evidence for the government to get a search warrant of Montgomery’s hard drives to determine if indeed there is illegally held CIA data in his possession.
Dr. Conspiracy:”It seems to me that the charts in the Arpaio/Montgomery material that allege specific telephone calls and times…”
Shows how incompetent the whole investigation was…Zullo couldn’t even be bothered to check that the phone numbers were correct. WHAT AN INVESTIGATOR!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
When Zullo gets on the stand, he has a breakdown, exclaiming “I admit it! The mustach is a rental!”
I remember it from Calvin’s transmogrifier.
https://disemvowel.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/trans-1-5.gif
Inspector Zoulleau on the witness stand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXwt5HNFLU
Well, they don’t really need ’em, do they? They got 3 months out of the previous ones.
I’m puzzled about why Snow scheduled the hearings that everyone was supposed to be ready for last month for September. Does he have other cases on his calendar keeping him busy? Is he planning to watch the whole al Jazeera’s Greatest Hits collection to see whether there might be a few seconds of relevant info edited into the middle of a “human interest” story on the return of a long lost goat?
With all the stories of innocent people languishing in jail for months, or even years, because they can’t make bail, we ought to have a rule that says delaying proceedings for more than a few days requires an explanation and justification written into the order.
I certainly hope so. Just for his sanity if nothing else.
Well, there’s a new player that is about to get a whole bunch of data dumped on them that they didn’t have access to before…
Arpaio is still “scheduled” to go to trial in the DOJ case in mid-August. Additionally, Arpaio/Sheridan have indicated their intention to file Petition for Writ of Mandamus. Additionally, Judge Snow likely DOES have other proceedings on his calendar. I *speculate* that all three factors played into the Judge’s decision to schedule the hearings in late September. In the meantime, discovery — and monitor investigations – will recommence. It’s all good.
Weren’t the recently released e-mail exchanges given to the plaintiffs as part of discovery? And IIRC the plaintiffs sealed those exchanges out of an abundance of caution not because they were required to.
Does the fact the previous e-mails were unsealed mean any new ones will also be unsealed? Has a precedent been set?
Yes. However, as I understand/IIRC, the MCSO had not turned over ALL Montgomery docs before the stay was issued, so – assuming they weren’t destroyed – there should be more coming.
Yes (though they should have filed under seal, imho, given that the last order before the stay was to not disclose the docs pending CIA/US Gov decision on the docs.
I suspect that until there’s a clear ruling on the Montgomery docs, Plaintiffs will (and should) continue to lodge under seal — but I suspect that the Judge will order disclosure… at least of docs similar to those already published on the docket.
all this just my opinion.
Now that DOJ is investigating, Zullo and Gullible-Gallups could easily find themselves charged as conspirators for obstructing justice in the Melendres v. Arpaio lawsuit.
See 18 U.S. Code § 1503 and more specifically 18 U.S. Code § 1509 (Obstruction of court orders).
Even though it would be hilarious to see Gallups deposed. I doubt we’ll see him charged he’s small potatoes. Zullo on the other hand has a direct connection. If Zullo does get charged I’d love to hear how Gallups spins it. “Obama knows that Zullo had the smoking gun so he had him arrested so it would never be revealed. Mike Zullo didn’t tell me anything but I can’t reveal what I know since the investigation is still ongoing”
Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, Listeners, Mike Zoo Low’s wife is on the phone with us, calling in to as our opinion as to something Mike said to her in a phone call a few days ago right after finding out that the DOJ was now investigating Montgomery’s so-called Universe-shattering evidence. Go ahead, Mrs. Commander Zoo Low, what did Mike say exactly?”
Shaking voice on the phone:”Well, he was screaming,Karl, and it sounded like, ‘I’ve gotta toad in my trance!”
Karl Gall Oops!: “No, dear, I was part of that conference call and he was just repeating what he said last year, a few minutes after we found out that Mount Gummery was a con-man! I remember his actual words were not anything about a toad or a trance. What he yelled was, ‘I’ve got a load in my pants!”
It could be five minutes after the rapture, and that’ll still be Carl’s answer.
I don’t know if they could really get the Kommandant on obstruction, I don’t think he is that smart, and he certainly wasn’t the guiding genius behind this, if you’ll pardon the expression, accessory probably, almost certainly, since he was working with these tools even if he didn’t really understand what they were doing, yes, I really do think he is that stupid and clueless, he’s the world’s perfect dupe when it comes right down to it, gullible, incompetent, insecure, and just plain stupid, stroke his ego and I’m betting he’d do just about anything, now conspiracy to commit fraud I can see since we know he was all but manufacturing his “proof” from day one, that I can really see. Which isn’t to say I don’t think he should go to jail, I think the whole lot of them, including probably more than a couple of the attorneys involved, including a county attorney or two need to be on that list. I think that when this is all over with, that they are going to need to terminate, for cause, most of the upper MCSO, and probably a good bit of the rank and file and just flat out start over with real, honest law enforcement professionals, which I think MCSO is woefully short of. I think the organization as a whole is corrupt, and I just can’t imagine that anyone who wasn’t more than middling competent wouldn’t have gone somewhere, anywhere else at first chance to get away from the stench and taint. I would suspect that at this point, and particularly if things go the way they could/should, that anyone putting MCSO on their LEO resume can kiss getting a real, good LEO job buh bye, they’ll always be suspect. Of course, it is AZ and they’ve let this go on for 20 years, so who knows.
While I think that Arpaio and Sheridan are going to find themselves facing obstruction of justice charges, I think it is highly unlikely either Zullo or Gallups will face criminal charges for their involvement in all of this.
I do think it is all but certain that Zullo (but not Gallup) will be deposed. In that regard, Arpaio may rue the day he put Zullo in charge of the Cold Case Posse.
I have no idea how this will all turn out for Arapio, Zullo, Montgomery, Klayman and the others. So far the DoJ has not aggressively pursued Arpaio on either civil or criminal matters so I am pessimistic that they will do anything in this matter either.
That being said I would not want to have this hanging over my head. I have to ask what were they thinking when they went into this wacky operation with Montgomery. Didn’t anyone stop to ask if investigating a sitting federal judge or obtaining private or classified information might just be an issue for them?
What’s good for the Gander is good for the Goose?
More Bang-for-the-Buck?
It would seem the same investigative philosophy applied to Secretary Hillary Clinton washing her private server by deleting emails, from the server that she used while on duty, would be a much more salient use of our public funds?
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-deleted-everything-on-her-email-server-2015-3
How’s the “Bumblehive” going to do us any good if we can’t retrieve them?
https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/
(smile)
She’s part of the Crowd who still thinks ‘erasing’ means they’re gone. Wait until the Debates Start… if she even gets that far.
Don’t you love the welcome sign?
“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”
The usual phrase is: “What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,” and the implication is that if some behavior is wrong, it is equally wrong for both sides.
In this case, I don’t see anything wrong either with the Department of Justice investigating a possible crime with clear probable cause, nor with the Congress investigating Clinton’s use of a private email system to conduct public business.
That said, “email gate” really isn’t something within the scope of this blog.
Except you know that they backed up the emails at the state department and the only missing emails were of a personal nature. But it’s not abnormal since Governor Bush did the same thing in Florida as did many predecessors. The emails have been turned over to the benghazi nonsense committee for some time. If they had anything they should make them public..
I notice Gabe Zolna is once again the guest tonight on Volin’s show. He seems too busy to have Doc C on but not busy enough to have the same guests on repeatedly.
The description for tonight show is funny
“Progressive researcher, You tube leader and member of wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com staff Gabor Zolna will be the guest. Gabor will discuss his thoughts and give evidence Obama is a Muslim Radical determined to destroy the United States Of America. Gabe has done exstensive research on Obama and his background and will reveal the startling results. As with this site, Gabor is in contact with the Cold Case Posse so he is in the loop. Don’t ask Gabor a question, you might get the truth.”
While I find the fancy chart quite fascinating, i am a bit perplexed about how they came to have the times and such for phone calls and the like of people who were not in their direct line of sight, particularly with regard to the judge, since I doubt they keep a minute diary of every thought and phone call they make or receive, and there is no real or legal reason that the Shurf would ever have had access to that information.
CNN host Jake Tapper on Thursday confronted Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio for claiming, without evidence, that President Obama’s birth certificate is “fraudulent.”
arpaio: “I’m not going to get into all the technical details,” he said. “I have a Smith Corona typewriter. I don’t have a computer but I have people that look into it. I’ve been around a long time. I’m not stupid enough to even talk to you about it if I didn’t think there was a lot of smoke and fire there.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joe-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate
This would seem to confirm my long held suspicion that the Shurf is less than shall we say computer literate. I would not be surprised in fact if he were not of the type who has his secretary print out all his emails and memos for him, since he either can’t be bothered, or can’t figure out how to use a computer.
Like I said, an easy mark for Montgomery.
It’s a fact. There was an article on Joe a few years back. He types his notes on a typewriter and doesn’t know how to use email. If he has an email address, I’ve never seen it.
Which then most likely means that anything computer related is handled by someone else. Kind of like his investimigations.
It also allows him to plausibly claim he was completely unaware that his “experts” were feeding him total bullsh*t regarding Obama’s PDF.
Emergency hearing in Judge Snow’s courtroom.
Stephen Lemons
Am hearing that Judge Snow is ordering marshals to seize 50 hard drives and IDs of potential victims of @realsheriffjoe from MCSO
https://twitter.com/stephenlemons/with_replies
More from Lemons:
Judge Snow orders @realsheriffjoe to turn over hard drives, etc. to Marshals service by day’s end. ditto 1,459 IDs that lack report #
Judge Snow’s order:
http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/10524695.0.pdf
“Potential victims,” eh? Sounds like the walls are closing in on @realsheriffjoe. As Jack Johnson sings,
And the mess he made
Cause hate is such a strong word
And every brick he laid
A mistake they say
That his walls are gettin’ taller
His world is gettin’ smaller
The more plaintiffs the merrier.
Do we have confirmation that the marshals actually located and recovered the sought material?
This story implies the records were seized.
US Marshals seize records inside Arpaio offices
I thought so too, but I’m looking for confirmation.
Yes, I have read several accounts and they are confusing to say the least.
My, isn’t that interesting. I wonder what sparked the sudden flurry of interest and activity? I can’t imagine it bodes well for either Montgomery or the Shurf.
Lemons wrote an article saying that the marshals got their van(load).
According to the Lemons article, what he said was “No one has asked us to turn them over before”. Which might be technically true: Snow ordered that they be preserved, and handed over to the monitor at some unspecified point. It’s possible that Warshaw didn’t come and ask for them until now because the stay was in place.
What should be interesting is the explanation of why some of the IDs were “slated for destruction” (was that offered during the hearing?). Is Arpaio going to claim that the preservation order “slipped through the cracks”?
btw, is this another “50 hard drives”? Or are they the ones we’d already heard about?
The ABC12 story says:
I haven’t heard this one before. Did the writer get the story wrong?
According to Tes at the Fogbow that was just sloppy reporting and not new information.
And BR has a clip from Channel 10 that also mixes up the different processes going on.
You’d think that all the practice they’ve had with Arpaio scandals would’ve taught them to make scorecards to keep the players and threads straight.
The status conference Friday will be very interesting.
The birthers may be the final straw to the downfall of Sheriff Arpaio. Got to admit, that will be a huge victory in AZ…for Obama.
The way it was with my Daddy was “When you’re done with that hole, dig that one, then that one, then that one…”
Except if he ever figured he had to go so far as to say so you didn’t want to be there. Having moved from where there was too much clay to where there’s too much caliche, I’d say good digging dirt is one of the better things in life.
There is only one way to put a hole in caliche… Dynamite. And then more dynamite.