We’ve been waiting for a long time to see any number of items talked about, but never delivered by Mike Zullo. I wrote about that in my first article titled, “Waiting for Zullo” back in 2013 where I listed 34 such items, and the answers are still not forthcoming.
One hoped, perhaps too optimistically, that some of the answers might come from Mike Zullo’s deposition scheduled for next Wednesday, October 7. The subpoena of Zullo also requested all documents in his possession related to investigations of public officials on behalf of Arpaio and all correspondence with a list of individuals, starting December 23, 2011 and extending to the present. Arpaio’s defense team has moved, the day before the documents were due, to quash that subpoena. The motion to quash argues that the production of documents is a hardship for Mr. Zullo, and provides him with insufficient time. Defense also claims that the subpoena is overly broad, noting that the subpoena extends back roughly 2 years prior to any involvement with Dennis Montgomery (which we now know thanks to the subpoena started in the Fall of 2013). The Defense claims that it will take the full-time activity of Mike Zullo “weeks” at his own expense to respond with all the subpoena asks for. The subpoena was served on Mr. Zullo on September 24 evening and demands delivery of the documents by September 30. The motion to quash states that the subpoena was issued “on late September 25” but that was the day that the attorneys were served, not Zullo. Indeed the motion to quash states:
Plaintiffs’ filed three subpoenas on September 25, 2015 with this court, but have not indicated that they have served Mr. Zullo.
In fact, the subpoena filed on September 25 with the Court clearly shows service of Mr. Zullo on the preceding day (see page 37).
While not argued in the subpoena, Arpaio’s counsel takes a shot at Plaintiffs in a footnote:
In addition, Plaintiffs have known for months about Mr. Zullo and his role with MCSO in this action, but failed to ever serve a subpoena on him. Plaintiffs apparently believe they are entitled to rolling discovery in this case with absolutely no limitations or regards to Defendants’ rights. Indeed, Plaintiffs’ Notice of Subpoenas does not provide any reason as to why this information is relevant let alone why there is good cause that it should be discoverable now, or why it should be produced on such an expedited timetable. Plaintiffs had ample opportunity to discover their requested information, but failed to do so, and now seek to recover this information when proceedings are ongoing, in a further attempt to continue their “trial by fire” litigation tactics.
The Zullo subpoena requests documents in “native format.” Native format is the format in which the information is usually maintained on the producing party’s system. A problem with such raw data is that individual items, such as emails, cannot easily referenced (by a the “Bates number” we keep hearing about in testimony), cannot be redacted, cannot be marked confidential, and cannot be viewed without the application software that produced it; however, it is the format with the least cost to produce. An email folder may consist internally on the computer as a single file that could be copied to a flash drive. Paper documents have to be scanned, but who uses paper any more? OK, Arpaio only has a typewriter. Never mind.
I cannot count the number of times in my IT career that I asked “what format do you want it in?” in response to requests for information. I would suggest to Zullo that he take the subpoena literally, and just dump the files. If Zullo’s information is not well-organized, then it could take a fair amount of time to separate what is responsive to the subpoena vs. what is not. Considering how long it has taken Hillary Clinton to respond with her emails, perhaps 5 days is a bit short of the requisite time for Mike Zullo to sort through his, quaquaquaqua.
Flash!
In court documents filed yesterday, Plaintiffs have modified the Mike Zullo subpoena changing the start date for the documents requested from December 23, 2011, to September 1, 2013. Also the “catch all” language referring to “any employee of Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office” is deleted, as well as emails to and from Brian Sands. There is also an updated delivery deadline of October 5, 2015. Plaintiffs indicated that the earlier date was a mistake and that Mr. Zullo was re-served with the correct date on September 25. Plaintiffs defend the “any elected official” language, saying:
Documents showing any discussion relating to this litigation or investigation by Mr. Zullo or others, targeting any judge or elected official, during the requested time frame, are also material to this Court’s determination of whether the retention of Dennis Montgomery reflects Sheriff Arpaio’s use of Mr. Zullo to target and investigate the Sheriff’s perceived opponents, which will case light on the activities of Mr. Zullo relative to this Court and case.
Plaintiffs observe that Zullo may have emails from certain MCSO staff that were not turned over by those individuals previously, but perhaps should have been.
This was posted at Fogbow…the reality of the subpoena to Zullo has sent some shock waves through Team Arpaio. Zullo is the weak link. His information if it makes it to court will destroy Team Arpaio.
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Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Excellent Federal Court Adventures
PostTue Sep 29, 2015 9:54 pm
If any of us thought that Arpaio and team might be anxious to keep Zullo (or at least his documents) off the witness stand…
WE WERE RIGHT!!!!
Stephen Lemons @stephenlemons 8m8 minutes ago
.@RealSheriffJoe attny Masterson,paid w/county$, moves2quash subpoena2posseman MikeZullo.We paying 2defendZullo now? http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/10589547.0.pdf
“Hell, I would wear a dress and ruby red slippers all year if we can prove this” – Mike Zullo
Looks like they want to quash the production of documents subpoena but not the deposition or testify subpoena.
http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/10589547.0.pdf
I suspect the other folks in this case are more concerned about him turning in Captain Queeg on the stand than Dorothy in drag.
The end is nigh:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/breaking/2015/09/29/joe-arpaio-contempt-proceedings-federal-court/73032728/
One would think that a motion saying he’s got a lot of stuff to go through is an admission that Zullo has a lot of stuff. I guess he has not followed John’s suggestion of having a dog eat his computer.
You cannot hold them here or there.
You cannot hold them anywhere!
You cannot hold them, Joe, you schmoe.
The Court has told you, “No, no, no!”
IIRC, Arpaio in his April testimony said that Zullo had all the Seattle/Montgomery stuff.
I don’t quite understand the “Alternatively…” part.
Are they saying that it’s too burdensome for Zullo to produce the material, but if he produces it anyway, plaintiffs should not get to see it?
Isn’t that the “I don’t have the money, but if that was a lie, let me just pay half of it” defense? 😮
The protective order “in the alternative” protects Zullo from incurring the expense of producing the documents.
It would seem that the motion to quash seeks to limit the time period covered by the subpoena to omit the period between December 23, 2011, and the Fall of 2013 (when Zullo was investigating the Obama Certificate), and to omit emails to and from persons not explicitly listed on the subpoena.
There is a provision in the rules where someone could be compensated for the expense of production in lieu of having the subpoena quashed.
I inadvertently omitted hyperlinks to the subpoena and the motion to quash. These have been added to the article.
I am puzzling over the fact that Arpaio’s attorney is filing the motion to limit/quash — that it didn’t come from an attorney working for Zullo. Is this usual?
Maybe Zullo can’t afford an attorney.
Motion to quash contains a false statement. It says “Plaintiffs … have not indicated that they have served Mr. Zullo.” Proof of service was on the last page of the subpoena filed with the court on September 25.
Doc,
“Motion to quash contains a false statement.”
One of many false statements coming from the defendants.
Zullo’s documents, if still in his possession and not destroyed, I predict will be a disaster for the defendants.
It isn’t the Maricopa County taxpayers’ burden to supply him with one.
I’m going to do a little research later, but IIRC it is permissible (albeit uncommon) for a party to defend the interests of “allied” non-party.
Zullo never arrives.
At this point, we are perhaps waiting for the court.
At least the court has a possibility of arriving.
Apparently, the Server Jason Stoor served Zullo on 23th but it looks like subpoena for documents was not served even though Stoor indicated it was because on the 25th the plantiffs said they “Intend to Serve” to documents subpoena meaning it never got served in the first place despite what Stoor says.
Stoor’s statement said clearly that he served the “subpoena to produce documents…” at “19:56” on “September 24”, by serving Zullo “in person.” That is the statement of what happened.
The subpoena was issued Sept. 23, served on Zullo Sept. 24, served on Plaintiffs on September 25 (electronically) and filed with the court on Sept. 25.
Now you’re into the magical Alice in Wonderland part of this thing. The posses are not part of the MCSO. Each one is a separate non-profit corporation.
Now…the fact that they wear exactly the same uniform as sworn deputies and drive around in marked cars that look exactly the same is beside the point.
During Arpaio’s tenure he has embraced them when it serves his purposes and not when it did.
In other words a troop of Cub Scouts has as much law enforcement authority as the Cold Case Posse.
So far, then, Zullo’s had 6 days to hire someone to copy his email folder to a flash drive.
A troop of Girl Scouts has as much law enforcement authority as the Cold Case Posse, and they even provide tasty cookies.
They don’t get to drive the cars, though.
Do you guys archive text messages? I typically delete mine after a while.
Backing up messages from your iPhone:
http://www.wired.com/2013/11/backup-sms-iphone/
Does anyone know if you get free donuts as a member of the CCP?
Maybe those are reserved for real cops.
But they do have pint sized cars available when they need them……………
http://images1.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/original/6499710/billymoore3.jpg
Flash: See update to article. Subpoena modified! Date extended to Oct. 5. The completeness of MCSO prior production of emails questioned.
What I find troublesome with the motion to quash argument of an undue burden on Mike Zullo is that it doesn’t come from Mike Zullo, and it is not accompanied by any metric of the task. Does Zullo have 10,000 messages? Are there 4 cubic feet of paper documents? I would think the Court couldn’t make a burden determination without some concrete information on what the actual burden is.
“Plaintiff’s modify subpoena”
The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe!
That was a typo on my part, but my quotation from the motion to quash, “Plaintiffs’ filed three subpoenas,” is what they wrote.
Stephen Lemons of the Phoenix New Times, published another great article today (WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2015) entitled:
“ARPAIO’S EX-LAWYER ROLLS ON SHERIFF; CHIEF DEPUTY PRACTICALLY ADMITS PERJURY”
See at : http://tinyurl.com/p8yuxjm
It says notably, in part:
“Pseudo-conspiracies have been a useful tool for Arpaio.
For instance, the sheriff’s much-ridiculed investigation of President Obama’s birth certificate netted him campaign contributions from birthers nationwide.
Arpaio even bragged about the birth certificate probes’ ability to net cash in a telling moment during the 2014 documentary The Joe Show.
The Seattle conspiracy was born from the birther investigation. It involves many of the same players, such as Cold Case Posse commander Mike Zullo and Detective Brian Mackiewicz. “
The older 2014 Joe Show link in the article excerpt above goes into more detail about Our Pie Hole’s unholy Birther fund-raising connection. But, I’m pleased to see that as of today, the premier reporter following and reporting on this mess, still has not lost sight of the birthing role that Birthers hounding Obama, played in getting their clown kar off the obscure dirt roads of the Internet, and into the citified jaws of the REAL judiciary.
It’s looking like they’re not going to get away scot-free!
Oh to be the fly on Mike Zullo’s nose!
Or any one of the hoard of warm-weather flies which probably follow around Karl Gall Oops! if he makes surprise tithe-dunning visits to those of his flock who are shut-ins.
I read through the list of 34 items you were waiting for two years ago.
By my count, it appears that you’re still waiting for all 34.
neither can zullo when he loses his car in the car park
I did a little research. The federal law isn’t entirely clear, but it seems like if a party can claim an interest (privacy, confidentiality, trade secrets, etc.) in the evidence sought from a non-party, then a party can move to quash the subpoena served on a non-party. (States’ laws might be different, but this is a federal case.)
But the motion here is woefully short on the specifics that would show that the MCSO, etc.’s interests are at play.
How about “If Mike testifies I’m going to jail?”
This is both interesting and facinating.
A couple of different perspectives exist both declaring it so.
1- Nixon’s own paranoia opened the door of Watergate. He just couldn’t bear to not know. Could this be the way to bring to the Public what CCP UNIVERSE SHATTERING had up its sleeve? Wow! if that was the case and Obama’s State Department all of a sudden had un earthed and publized at the same time their leaders demise(?).
2- More folk here speculating on the size of Pink Panties Sheriff Joe and Zullo wear. Was the good Sheriff actually a bad Sheriff of Nottingham stripping the #birther movement with much needed resources in the interest for his own Campaigns interest, the mutual interest impossible to separate(? )
3-As far as my own personal interest, my own emails to MCSO went unanswered. .in spite of being the First to include the CCP Findings in a Court in the Judicial BRANCH.
As a Presidential Candidate with more Standing than any of the MCSO, I thought not so much as a “Thank You” note somewhat disconcerting.
Lord knows a mention of this by Sheriff Joe might have been a spotlight of heat for the Georgia Court.
None came. Perhaps my own Past was the reason, though 22 years old, benign, and paid for seems awfully weak in a “continuous prosecution” rather than a “discretionary prosecution”, all the same it was noticed.
Perhaps it was Party Affiliation as I was a D Pres CANDIDATE ’12, whatever that would really politize prosecution in a polarization.
Either kind of negated Justice for All in the process of Civil Rights afforded U.S. Citizens who are under the Jurisdiction of the COTUS.
I’m reading “Response to Motion To Dismiss Barack Obama Georgia Ballot Challenge” on Scribd. Read more: http://scribd.com/doc/83474362
You are reading the response you and Farrar filed in opposition to President Obama’s motion to dismiss, which his attorneys filed in the superior court in Georgia.
SPOILER: The superior court granted President Obama’s motion to dismiss. The Supreme Court of Georgia affirmed the dismissal. The U.S. Supreme Court denied cert. President Obama appeared on the Georgia ballot.
No , I wrote and Filed that after Taitz abandoned ship . FARRAR agreed because he had no clue on what to do.
Spoil Your own Spoiler?
Oh, the irony.
Taitz abandoned us after she was denied Pro Hac Vice by the Judge.
She later picked up Farrar in the GEORGIA SUPREME Court after he and I separted.
Technically speaking the Georgia Judge had a duty to refer the criminal action to a Prosecutor or be found in a misprision conspiracy Case to cover up an understood crime.
That irony is not really anything to laugh at.
Irony is the the Judge was the one who had been shot by her lesbian lover for cheating. This seemed the reflective ruling also.
Technically speaking, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The irony is you calling someone else clueless. Which is hi-larious!
So Bob.. Let’s get this straight. You think if a Judge becomes aware of a Crime, let’s just say from the Sheriff Office testifying on the Stand in Court. No duty to report that?
Is that a reflection of what you think hilarious?
Let’s get this straight: There was no evidence before the Georgia superior court in the failed ballot challenge of anyone committing a crime.
YOU are hilarious, you scamp!
Thank you for answering the Question by never answering straight.
SCAMP (Supersonic Cruise and Maneuvering Program), the initial name for the General Dynamics F-16XL prototype aircraft
That’s actually made in America..so not bad!
I answered you straight: The judge in the Georgia superior court “technically speaking” had no duty to report anything because there was nothing to report; duh.
Not all made-in-America scamps are impressive, e.g., Plymouth’s; or Judy (assuming Judy is an American).
You can’t say that!
He answered straight. You’re the one who is crooked. There has never been any proof submitted that Obama committed a crime in regards to the birther allegations.
Farrar is just as clueless and stupid as you are.
PROOF? Hell, there’s never been the SLIGHTEST shred even of any credible evidence whatsoever to support ANYTHING that birthers have ever alleged in regard to Obama’s birth certificate.
Doesn’t stop them from making the most idiotic of false claims and accusations, though.
This whole birther thing was the stupidest damn thing I’ve ever seen.
Yes, that’s what I was thinking — each and every thing they complained about in the motion was about limiting the burden on Zullo. They didn’t even allege any legitimate interest of the defendants.
No, because there’s nothing really important in them. I do use my phone primarily for business, but any texts that I send or receive are usually something like “I’m in traffic, so I might be a few minutes late” or “Check your email” (which does get archived, because that’s where the important messages are).
I do delete the alert notices I get from systems I’ve installed, but I just let the ones to/from people accumulate in the phone, because there aren’t that many.
If I were doing substantive communications via text, though, I definitely would keep backups.
Probably not.
In your hypothetical the Sheriff’s Office already knows about the crime, so what’s to report and to whom?
Further, what the judge knows is second hand (from the sheriff). Perhaps the sheriff has some duty to act, but not the judge.
The judge MAY convene a grand jury in some jurisdictions to investigate something he becomes aware of, but there is no duty to do so. (Remember Doug Vogt in Washington State.)
The subpoena is legally defective. It’s virtually impossible for Zullo to deliver in the time frame requested and even if he could deliver at all it would take months if not years to hunt down and comply all the information.
First Zullo is required to do an immense search of PCs, Cell Phones, Tablets, File Cabinets, Safes, Evidence rooms and vaults to find all the information requested.
Further, Zullo desn’t even have to be required to be part of an investigation, only that has information about it.
This is problematic for Zullo because he must background check every person of investigation listed in his articles of information
He must background search Husbands, Wifes, Mothers, Father, Brothers and Sisters. Why?
The subpoena demands all information regarding and elected official INCLUDING ALL FAMILY MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES.
So for example, if Zullo has an email referring to an investigation concerning Joe Blow (and Zullo need not be even part of the investigation) who has a sister who is an elected property appraiser is Northern Maine, he has to turn over that email because Joe Blow is member of an elected official’s family (he’s the brother)
I imagine the number of information articles is in thousands.
Another example might if Zullo and company have articles of information regarding Jodi Arias. MCSO obviously investigated Jodi Arias in order to bring forth the murder charges. Now, Zullo must background check Jodi Arias. If Jodi’s father, mother, brother or sister is an elected official then Zullo has to give that information because Jodi Arias is a family member of an elected official. The person of investigation doesn’t even need to be a family member of the an elected official or judge. He or she just has to have some association with elected official. The bakground checking for Zullo is immense and it would take months if not years.
A subpoena is only for things in the possession of the person being served. Zullo doesn’t have to go looking for things someone else has, for example in evidence rooms or vaults. Further, there’s no reason to believe that Zullo investigated anyone in the time frame specified except the judges, Eric Holder and Barack Obama. And if Zullo doesn’t know that someone investigated is a relative of an elected official, then he doesn’t have to deliver information on that person. A subpoena doesn’t require someone to do an investigation or what he has, only to deliver what he reasonably believes is responsive.
Further, since Zullo operated out of his house, any investigative work products were probably done by third parties who sent him results in email. Zullo might have a file cabinet, but more likely less than that. How many cell phones do you think Zullo has? How many tablets?
Most of what Zullo investigated was stocks for his day trading.
I imagine you’ve been thinking way too much about what they might find when your name shows up in the Zullo dump.
Let’s try to clarify your complaint. What it really is (if I understand correctly) is that you feel they haven’t given Zullo enough time to destroy the evidence. And that’s plain unfair. Right?
Which reminds me. Are you serving as a consultant to Mike on how he can delay, obfuscate and destroy evidence? If not, this is a golden opportunity for you and your new consulting business. I’d definitely jump on it.
I especially liked your suggestion that Mike should find a skunk to get himself sprayed with. That’s creative. Clients pay extra for that.
“Zullo doesn’t have to go looking for things someone else has”
Actually he does. The subpoena demands that Zullo produce all articles of information from persons acting on his behalf or under his supervision. Zullo has contact all of his subordinates, informers, agents, and others to get all their information too.
John is complaining (on Zullo’s behalf) that the subpoena is burdensome, overbroad, and will require much time to comply.
Which may be bases for filing objections or moving to quash. But that doesn’t make the subpoena “legally defective.”
It remains Zullo’s burden to seek relief from the court, and blowing the subpoena off could result in sanctions.
Sure, all Zullo has to do is on the morning of his depo, he gets ahold of skunk and have it spray himself. He could say it was unfornate accident that he suprised a skunk outside in his yard and it sprayed him. The opposing attorney could still do the dpeosition if she’s willing to wear a gas mask.
Because judges just love intentionally frustrating the purpose of a valid court order. And then lying about it.
Sometimes they even hold extended hearings to explore the depth of disobedience.
//The subpoena is legally defective. //
ROFLMAO!
I’m guessing John doesn’t remember back when he was defending Orly’s fail “subpoenas”, and saying the Judge should honor them anyways even with the errors.
//Zullo has contact all of his subordinates, informers, agents, and others to get all their information too.//
Awwwwww … John thinks Zullo has subordinates and agents.
That’s so cute.
First, Zullo doesn’t have any subordinates.
Second you’re misreading the subpoena. It doesn’t say “his subordinates”; it says “their subordinates.”
That is, if that woman that does Arpaio’s emails (since he doesn’t know how) sent Zullo an email on behalf of Arpaio, Zullo has to produce it.
//Sure, all Zullo has to do is on the morning of his depo, he gets ahold of skunk and have it spray himself. He could say it was unfornate accident that he suprised a skunk outside in his yard and it sprayed him. The opposing attorney could still do the dpeosition if she’s willing to wear a gas mask.//
Is John actually advising someone to obstruct justice on a public forum?
Not really the sharpest tool in the shed… is he….
I sense much panic in you, john. Surely you of ALL people want the information that Zullo’s sitting on made public.
I’m mystified, john. Why are you giving this away for free when you could be charging Zullo hundreds in a consulting fee? Or even a couple thousand.
Hopefully he doesn’t read this blog. Actually, I think you’re still good. Even if Zullo reads over here from time to time, he’s probably too busy with his current court situation, and undoubtedly hasn’t managed to pick up this valuable nugget yet.
Have you got his phone number?
You’re just jealous of john’s new consulting career. 😉
Or “under the control of”: the subpoena explicitly said that, if he had something stashed with someone else, and had the right to retrieve it, he had to do so and produce it.
Or did they change that when it was revised?
One would hope not: it opens the door to all manner of cheating.
I don’t get why racist dimbulb John is so upset at Zullo the Klown being subpoenaed for his information.
In John’s fantasy world, Arpaio and Zullo have irrefutabubbly eblidence of Barack Obama’s fake birth certification, his adoption of Harrison Bounel’s identity and Social Security number, his birth in Kenya and Indonesia, his Muslim faith, etc. – and Obama was probably involved in the Watergate conspiracy too.
Lyin’ Carl Gallups promised that Arpaio and Zullo would release this devastating and Kompleatly Trooo information on A/Z day, which was put back (they said) due to interference by Obots and OARPA.
Zullo and Arpaio are trying to prevent the release of this information now, in their objections to these subpoenas. As the charges against Arpaio are bunkum (in John’s fantasy world), this can only be because Arpaio and Zullo wish to keep the Obama-related evidence hidden.
Why would they do that?
Isn’t it obvious?
Zullo the Klown is in fact an Obot! He wants to protect his leader, the usurper Obama. Why else would he prevent the wholly conclusive expert report by world-renowned document expert Reed Hayes from becoming public?
Birthers! Come along to the courthouse! Protest! Zullo the Klown’s records MUST be made public so Obama can be indited for treasonous treachery and treacherous treason!
Or they could go with the more efficient solution of zipping Zullo into a hazmat suit for the day.
<zoidberg>I HAVE NO NOSE</zoidberg>*
Maybe there’s a business opportunity for you, john – selling skunks to birthers being hauled before court in the wake of the Arpaio case (who knows, we might even see Jerome Corsi subpoenaed).
_______________
* (For the nitpickers, the real quote was “YOU HAVE NO NOSE”, addressing Fry.)
Even if Mike Zullo does not have to do a background of all the persons of investigation, Mike Zullo’s task of retrieving all the information is a herculan one that would still take years to complete.
Mike Zullo is required to do the following things:
Contact all persons acting on his behalf or under his supervision – This could include dozens of individuals
Contact Gmail and Earthlink Servers for complete archive of all emails.
Access All phone records, memo and all forms other communication he’s had access to in the last 2 years.
A complete access to all court documents in the court file.
A Search of all evidence rooms, vaults, safes and file cabinets under MCSO juristiction.
Access to all communication equipment that Zullo and company has had access to in the last 2 year. This would include accessing all cell phones, tablets, PCs, flash drives, etc.
Cell phones easily get broken and replaced so that would be a task in itself.
In the time Zullo has, I would be surprised if he was only able to get a small handful perhaps a dozen information articles
Only if he’s been lying all this time.
Zullo claims he’s been entirely occupied with his birth certificate snipe hunt for the last 4 years, with little or no compensation. So he can’t afford an “immense” set of PCs, cell phones, and tablets that need searching.
And, since he’s just a Brave and Patriotic Volunteer™, not a real LEO, he shouldn’t have info or communications related to other MCSO investigations.
Moreover, since he claims to be running “an official law enforcement investigation”, all the subpoenaed materials should be properly organized and stored.
So it should be dead simple (if, perhaps, a bit tedious) to comply. He just needs to be a bit careful when making photocopies of his evidence, lest some of it leak out and shatter the universe.
Of course, if what he’s really been running is a haphazard scam intended to separate gullible birthers from their money, then he might be terminally screwed.
John,
It sounds like you’re at least an honorary member of Zullo’s CCP F Troop, looking for ways to protect your boss from having to comply with a subpoena. Big Daddy Arpaio is in trouble because he didn’t comply with a court order. Do you see any pattern developing? I thought you wanted the universe shattering investimagination to be revealed? And when is your buddy, the saintly, Reverend Carl Gal-OOPs going to reveal the truth about what he knows? It’s been mighty quiet over at Gal-OOPs Free from Zullo Friday.
Ran Talbott,
“Of course, if what he’s really been running is a haphazard scam intended to separate gullible birthers from their money, then he might be terminally screwed. ”
And if that’s the case, could there be a court ordered referral to the Arizona Attorney General’s Office in the future for Director Mike Zullo and the Cold Case Posse Incorporated? The AZAG has the responsibility to hold Arizona non-profit corporations accountable.
John, if Zullo is the hotshot investigator you imagine him to be he would have all of this data and information well-organized and easily accessible for expeditious production. A key role of a criminal investigator is to organize evidence in a manner that can legibly make the case to the prosecutor being asked to file charges. If you can put together a power point for a press conference, you ought to be able to figure out how organize and file the case info in a reasonably accessible format so that when the court asks for it you can produce it.
But, as we all know, Zullo is no “hotshot investigator” – more like “crackpot investigator.” And, you, of course, are just a crackpot.
I dunno whether a federal judge can order a referral to a state or local prosecutor. But I’ve been saying for a while that I believe Zullo’s misrepresentation of the snipe hunt as “an official law enforcement investigation” to solicit donations is, by itself, sufficient grounds for mail fraud charges. The lies he’s been telling about the “universe-shattering evidence” should make it an open-and-shut case.
We’ve heard that a couple of people tried to get their money back, and failed when Zullo refused delivery on their registered letters. The recent revelations might motivate one or more of the suckers to file a criminal complaint.
I suspect (though I have no evidence) that, ironically, Zullo has been “protected” by the Obama administration: in the absence of complaining victims, and with the CCP being such small potatoes, they weren’t pursued because the feds didn’t want to be seen as going after political enemies. Especially after being pilloried for that when they weren’t.
But a referral to the state AG could be even more scary: he caught one of Arpaio’s witch hunt cases when he was an assistant AG, and took some flak from the MCSO when he dropped all the bogus charges. He’s not part of the Arpaio/Horne/Pearce crowd, and might be motivated to go extra hard on a publicity-motivated bogus “investigation”.
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“But, as we all know, Zullo is no “hotshot investigator” – more like “crackpot investigator.” And, you, of course, are just a crackpot.”
John, your crackpot investigator idol will soon be going down in flames in court, just like Arpaio has crashed and burned in court. Ohhhh the humanity!
It’s telling that while you think Zullo’s doing good and valuable work investigating the highest elected official in the nation, you simultaneously believe that Zullo is so utterly unorganized and incompetent in that investigation that it would take him “years” just to locate selected documents in his files.
Ran Talbott
“But a referral to the state AG could be even more scary: he caught one of Arpaio’s witch hunt cases when he was an assistant AG, and took some flak from the MCSO when he dropped all the bogus charges. He’s not part of the Arpaio/Horne/Pearce crowd, and might be motivated to go extra hard on a publicity-motivated bogus “investigation”.
Maybe Birthers who frequent this site and have donated funds to this debacle should consider filing a complaint with the Arizona Attorney General to get the ball rolling.
I say it based on the wording and legal terminology of the subpoena. The subpoena asks too much and it’s virtually impossible for one person to comply it. The subpoena needs to focus on shorter time frame and it has identify which emails and documents they are looking for and at what locations.
John
“I say it based on the wording and legal terminology of the subpoena. The subpoena asks too much and it’s virtually impossible for one person to comply it. The subpoena needs to focus on shorter time frame and it has identify which emails and documents they are looking for and at what locations.”
John, it’s so interesting to hear your legal explanation of the subpoena that was issued to Kommandant Zullo. Just to put it in simple non legal terms for you, Zullo and Arpaio are SCREWED!!!
One wonders when morons like john will come to understand that they’ve been had, and get angry at the people who used them and (for many of them) took their money.
One wonders how many years it will take.
It should be obvious that if Arpaio and Zullo had any real evidence of their claims, Obama would’ve been declared ineligible by now. It should also be obvious that if they had any good evidence in anything like Reed Hayes’ report it would’ve been made public long ago.
Oh, but of course it’s because the entire system is unfathomably corrupt (except for lying A/Z, of course.)
How strange it must be to live in a world where up is down and down is up.
Personally, if I’d given some of my hard-earned money to Zullo’s “send more cash, we’re continuing our critical investimigation through challenging waters” scam machine, I’d be all over his ass about now.
By which I mean, if he didn’t either publicly release his evidence or file some charges somewhere, or give me my money back, I’d be talking to the state attorney general.
And you got your law degree when and where, exactly?
Now there’s an idea. I like it. In fact, I like it a LOT!
See John squirm.
Squirm, John, squirm!
😛
So John, are you saying that when they go to prosecute the President for forgery or something, it will take years for Zullo to give the prosecuter the evidence and information he spent years collecting?
On a side note, the choir and I were having a discusion about whether or not we had done a particular anthem 6 or 7 years ago. Though it was on my list as having been done, we were not sure if it might have been pulled. So, I fired up my older computer and did a quick search. I found that it was selected and there were no emails changing the music for that Sunday. I accomplished that in a minute or so. Then I spent the next hour migrating the old emails to my newer computer.
John: “I say it based on the wording and legal terminology of the subpoena. The subpoena asks too much and it’s virtually impossible for one person to comply it.”
I say, john, that you’d have much better luck with the “My dog ate it” defense.
I’m loving the play-by-play Lemons is giving us on Twitter.
If Shurfjoke’s goose gets any more cooked, the meat is gonna be all leathery and dry…just like Joe himself. LOL.
I noticed, with a certain amount of glee, that a few of the more desperate ones at BR are still of a “Now is the perfect chance for him to release the universe shattering info!”. No, Shurfjoke is too busy trying to look feeble, in an attempt to get the court to go easy on him. The defiant firebrand they’re expecting, has long since left the building.
Well, you’ve demonstrated, time and time again, that you are a moron who understands very little about anything. So any guesses from you should be taken with a salt lick.
Though, to be honest, I feel like your latest bunch of erroneous crap, is nothing but a lot of sore loser talk. You know Shurfjoke and Zullo’s carnival show is over, but you can’t bring yourself to admit it.
If this were the old west, you’d be the moron who kept on buying from the snake oil salesman, long after he’d had been exposed as a phony.
Now, now. What would we do without john? I contend that his antics add amusement value.
Incredible comment at BR:
Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/09/report-sheriff-arpaios-lead-obama-id.html#d7SI9toCIv3Qr16j.99
*snort*
Stephen Lemons @stephenlemons 1h1 hour ago
Stepped outside. After lunch Seagraves still on stand. After sidebar Snow warnsmay have 2clear court for an “investigation” #ArpaioContempt
Whoa!!! ANOTHER investigation by the court? What has Arpaio been up to now??? Break out more popcorn, we’re gonna need it!
Ha ha ha ha heh.
Yeah, Zullo should just give ’em a Sheriff’s Kit in response to the court’s demand for his correspondence re: Seattle.
That, plus the skunk maneuver, will get him right off the hook.
I’m certain about this.
I see as with all things, John has no idea what he’s talking about.
Besides, John, don’t you want that “universe-shattering evidence” on Obama revealed? 🙂
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john
October 1, 2015
Even if Mike Zullo does not have to do a background of all the persons of investigation, Mike Zullo’s task of retrieving all the information is a herculan one that would still take years to complete.
Mike Zullo is required to do the following things:
Contact all persons acting on his behalf or under his supervision – This could include dozens of individuals
Contact Gmail and Earthlink Servers for complete archive of all emails.
Access All phone records, memo and all forms other communication he’s had access to in the last 2 years.
A complete access to all court documents in the court file.
A Search of all evidence rooms, vaults, safes and file cabinets under MCSO juristiction.
Access to all communication equipment that Zullo and company has had access to in the last 2 year. This would include accessing all cell phones, tablets, PCs, flash drives, etc.
Cell phones easily get broken and replaced so that would be a task in itself.
In the time Zullo has, I would be surprised if he was only able to get a small handful perhaps a dozen information articles
I don’t know about john, but I’m all for the release of Inspector Zoulleau’s universe-shattering evidence!
Me too, Pete.
Is it too good to be true? (The Zullo subpoena)?
It was, but they fixed that 🙁
But there’s a good chance that the revelations from this subpoena will lead to the opening of … What did Zullo and Gallups call it? … “a second criminal investigation” 😉
Or he could use the Montgomery Manoeuvre [tm] and just dump 600 hard drives with garbage on the court and say “search for the juicy bits yourself”, right? I wonder why that isn’t your prime advice for Zullo. Maybe he should hire another wingnut armchair lawyer.
With there being dispute as to whether AARPaio donated $10,000 to the CCP, one would think that the CCP finances are ripe for discovery.
John, I deal with these types of subpoenas and public records requests all the time – for precisely this kind of infomation. There is nothing difficult or complex with the request being made of Zullo, especially in this day and age of electronic communications and digital files. Gathering up the information requested here could be done in less than a day.
That’s probably true, but another aspect of the process is determining whether a particular email is responsive or not. Zullo could get into trouble by providing an email that is not responsive, but embarrassing to someone or a breach of confidentiality.
Unfortunately, the dog who buried it for him had a heart attack and died when some fool threw a skunk over his fence, so now he he has no way to find it.
True. That’s something the attorneys will do once the materials are assembled and delivered. Things that are not responsive will be removed. Items that are protected by proprietary rights and/or attorney-client privilege will be removed or redacted.
Frankly, though, I doubt that Zullo has anything that would be protected from discovery, except maybe his birth certificate. 🙂
Zullo’s biggest liability is being overly narrow in his search and having something he failed to turn over show up in someone else’s files. The beauty of email communications is that both the sender and the recipient have copies and they are easily copied and forwarded to other parties.
That’s true, but it still would be burden on Zullo because as we know he is working 24/7 on the Obama eligibility question!
And Doc is absolutely correct that Zullo only has to produce records which are in his possession or control. He does not have to go rummaging through the MCSO file cabinets. If he claims that his e-mails have been deleted, the ACLU would presumably subpoena Earthlink and Google for his e-mail records.
I really admire a man who’s willing to go without sleep like that, for 4 long years and counting, in his quest to find the truth about the President’s eligibility.
A little blasphemous light reading while we wait for Zullo:
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/surprise-az-tea-party-project/
Dave B.
October 2, 2015
“A little blasphemous light reading while we wait for Zullo:”
Many people are giving credit to the birth certificate investigation for bringing the perfect cast of characters together that have created the unbelievable mess that Arpaio is facing in the contempt of court hearings. Could it be that the birth certificate investigation ultimately exposed the real Joe Arpaio for who he is? The certified Verification of Birth, issued to the Arizona Secretary of State also was an outcome of the birth certificate investigation. Some would say God works in mysterious ways.
I don’t know if this is true or not, but I would certainly love to see it happen.
“The point of the story? This project came together flawlessly because it truly was the Lord’s will.”
Perhaps it was, in fact.