People learn in different ways. I grasp the spoken word better than I do the written word. For auditory learners like me, I found the two recent appearances of blogger NBC at the RC Radio program to be hugely lucid explanations of the results of his experiments with scans of a copy of the President’s birth certificate on a Xerox copier/scanner.
If you are a birther, or you even have doubts about Obama’s long form birth certificate being a forgery, you owe it to yourself to listen to these programs. Even if you don’t agree with what you hear, you need to know what you’re up against, or else you will likely find yourself making embarrassing mistakes.
I cannot overemphasize how strongly I make this recommendation. If you care about this issue, it will be the most important couple of hours you could spend. If you only listen to one, I suggest the second.
If text is your thing, visit NBC’s blog.
New error or flaw found on Obama’s long form birth certificate. Note the doctor’s signature – David Sinclair. Obots like to poke fun at Miki Booth because her son was delivered by the same doctor – David Sinclair. Now look at Miki’s birth certificate – http://logisticsmonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MikiBoothBC.jpg
Notice the signature. Notice what is next to the signature –
“MD” for Medical Doctor.
Now look at Obama’s birth certificate – NO “MD” signature.
Obots will argue that he would have been redundant to do it on Obama’s BC because the “MD” checkbox is marked. However look at the following example: http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pdf-text-fails-grid-test.jpg
Note how the doctor adds “MD” to his signature even though the checkbox is marked.
it’s a matter of preference. Doctors like to add “MD” to their signature to show respect for their title and profession.
Again, it’s just another flaw or inconstistancy on Obama’s birth certificate.
It’s a different person. Are you arguing that all doctors think alike?
You birthers are still looking for the FIRST flaw of inconsistency, and you certainly haven’t found “another.”
A normal person would start to realize by now that they just might be wrong, badly and totally wrong.
We still have the problem about race being “African”. I have noticed that almost all Hawaii Long Form BC list race are based on country of origin not continent of origin. Eg. Chinese for China not Asian, German for Germany not European, Caucasian for US not America. So, for Obama Sr. his race should be listed as “Kenyan” not “African”. In fact, Obama Sr. immigration documentation lists Obama Sr.’s race as “Kenya”(Kenyan). Obots try to quote a Kenyan Census that would classified Obama Sr. as “African” but that census applies in Kenya not the United States.
I’m saying its inconsistitent doc. On birht certificate Sinclair add “MD” but another birth certificate he doesn’t. If you going to argument redundentcy, look at the other birth certificate.
Wow John, an inconsistency in a pdf of a document! That’s… irrelevant.
I guess it never occurred to you that Booth might have had her BC forged? Or is that crime the purvue alone of black guys in your White House?
I looked at it, but you had already noted why they’re different.
Both forms say exactly the same thing, David A. Sinclair MD. The only difference is that the MD is pre-printed on the form from the year Obama was born, and it is written on the form from the year when it was not pre-printed. This is not “inconsistent.” This is to be expected.
What is anomalous is the doctor who wrote MD when it was pre-printed. Maybe that other one you found is a fake. It’s the one with the mistake, saying MD MD.
The Kenyan census form proves the racial categories that Kenyans use to describe themselves. The race on a birth certificate is what the father considers himself to be. Barack Obama was a Kenyan, ergo he would have considered himself to have the race African.
This is not a problem. This is the most probable thing to have happened.
I don’t know why you say “(Kenyan”) since that’s not what is on the form. It says Race: Kenya (rather odd). I presume you are looking at the fingerprint document. The Race seems to have been put there, copied from the nationality. There’s no indication that Obama Sr. had anything to do with the racial category on the form. It’s not connected to what Obama himself might have said, and therefore not probative.
Wow, yet another thread with nary a single on-topic comment by John!
Well, I very much appreciate the links, Doc, as I am not able to keep up with RC, and it will be a hoot to hear NBC. Looking forward to it.
Actually Miki Booth has the original hard copy BC. The Ultimate test would to take that BC and scan in the Xerox and see what happens. Miki claimed she gave the CCP her BC along with another one. It’s possible as part their parliminary testing that they took those BCs and scanned them. This would be true test and the basis for further testing of Obama’s BC. It is absurb to think the CCP did not test on Xerox scanners. That would like not testing Magnavox or Panasonic TVs. If NBC is correct, the only rational conclusion could be that not all Xerox scanners use the same scanning technology. Perhaps they are unique only to the Xerox Workcenter 7000 Series.
You can get the podcasts from iTunes too.
If the CCP really wants to refute they should scan Miki’s BC on a Xerox. NBC doesn’t posses a hard, orginal copy and simply printing the Obama’s BC and scanning it is simply not the same as scanning an original hard copy. You have to remember the PDF is a “construction” based on specific scanning technology and thus any print out is based on the “construction”. However, an original hard copy BC is based an “actual” document and would yield far more realistic results.
Miki doesn’t know it but her birth certificate is now the Holy Grail to CCP. It is the one document out there that can determine once and far whether Obama’s BC is forgery not withstanding NBC’s apparent findings.
John is desperately trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
I haven’t read the sources myself, but RC is saying that birthers at the Free Republic are starting to come around to NBC’s explanation and even Hermitian is engaging in rational dialog about it at NBC’s blog.
“There’s no indication that Obama Sr. had anything to do with the racial category on the form. It’s not connected to what Obama himself might have said, and therefore not probative.”
It’s just speculation. The race clearly says “Kenya”. Even if Obama Sr. reported himself “African” Hawaii would have put “Kenyan” because it appears Hawaii lists race by country of origin not continent of origin.
If Barack Obama Senior had described himself as a Negro then the birthers would be all over it saying its an indication of forgery. And they would be right.
Right, they really should do that, and publish a high resolution JPG of the original and the PDF they get from it. They really should do that. Yep. Definitely. You’re absolute right. Spot on.
The tide is turning against the Posse and they better do something fast or they are doomed to the scrap heap of cranks and nut cases.
John,
I recently found online the passenger manifest for the ship my great-grandfather and grandfather came to America on in 1907.
One of the columns on the form (500-B, US Department of Labor and Commerce) was “Race or People”. This was followed by a footnote: “List of races will be found on back of this sheet.”
On that list, the first of the “races” to choose from is: “African” .
Feel free to look up the form if you wish.
The point here, in case it’s winging over your head: there is historical precedent for immigrants from Africa to the US being referred to as being of the “African” race, on US forms, by US people.
This is, therefore, a non-argument.
The point is that if what I said is speculation, then what you said was speculation too, and therefore not probative.
However, on a birth certificate, the race is what the parent says it is. There’s no translation allowed. That’s the rules.
“However, on a birth certificate, the race is what the parent says it is. There’s no translation allowed. That’s the rules.”
That an absurd argument. I once knew a man who claimed he was an alien from another planet (I am really serious, he really thought he was a space alien., he was crazy.) Does this mean on the birth certificate he would have declared his race as “martian” or “Placadian”
Only Garret Pappit provided us with a list of all the hardware/software he used in his 1,200 tests, and no high-end Xerox WorkCentre among them. Plus, if the CCP had actually tested a Xerox in the same series as the one used by the White House, they would have to have flat-out lied in some of the things they said about what does and does not happen.
The Cold Case Posse’s reputation cannot be salvaged. The whole “birth certificate’s done for” claim is toast.
😯
No wonder I haven’t seen / heard from H in a while. No one could bear that much Itoldyouso. Even tho they’d all be unsaid.
Testing Procedures
Each control document was painstakingly analyzed during the course of the testing.
Every combination of settings was used in order to compare results from each change.
Furthermore, a wide array of PDF software was used including ABBYY PDF
Transformer, Adobe Acrobat Pro (Versions 6, 7, 8, 9 and X), CVista PDF Compressor,
Lead Tools, LizardTech Document Express, LuraTech PDF Compressor, NovaPDF
Professional Desktop, Nuance PDF Professional, Pdfforge PDFCreator, Primo PDF,
Software602 Print2PDF and many more
AND MANY MORE…..
So the Xerox printer could have tested. Perhaps the Xerox printers they tested did not have the same scanning technology as the Workcenter.
It’s not absurd. It’s out of the instruction book for the US Standard Birth Certificate. Duh.
Specifically, instructions for the US National Certificate say:
Father’s Race: The race(s) that best describes what the father considers
himself to be. …Based on the response to the worksheet or interview, select all the corresponding checkboxes on the certificate and fill in any literal (written) responses exactly as given regardless of whether or not any checkboxes are marked.:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth_edit_specifications.pdf
Did you see that part “exactly as given”?
Now as to “Martians,” I was told by a former state registrar of Colorado, Janet Weiser, that there are indeed some “Martians” in the files. Other states do exclude “facetious entries” but “African” would not be facetious.
Sorry, but you are 100% wrong on this point.
Hawaii issued 12,000 birth certificates in 1961. How many of them have you seen?
He’s banned here.
Sorry, I meant having not seen H anywhere, not just OCT.
Mass-produced fraud! This evil knows no bounds!
This is what Papit said in December of last year on this blog:
So if Papit was true to his word, those details should have been published by now. Why don’t ask your buddy Mike Zullo for a copy?
And while you’re as it, ask him for his IRS Form 1023 with attachments, his IRS determination letter, and copies of his past 5 years Form 990-T if it wouldn’t be too much trouble.
the data on these forms are self-reported – i have a BC of a family member from 1947 that states the father was “33” when i know he was “40”
mitt’s mother’s age on his (supposed) BC does not match her DOB
the 1962 kenya population census form (#6) states for race write european, arab, somali, or african, etc
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~rmccaa/IPUMSI/CensusForms/Africa/ke1962ef_kenya_enumeration_forms.en.pdf
african-american, negro, etc are american terms and nothing an african would self-report
How old was George Soros in 1961?
How do you know? Were you there?
He’s a 2,000-yr man. 😈
You may be onto something there. My Xerox printer has no scanning technology whatsoever! I can picture the scene now …
Note that no scanners are mentioned. As I had expected they looked at software…
Poor John
Hermitian is doing his best, which so far has been less than impressive.
John is falling apart at the seams… His faith in the CCP has been shaken…
Hilarious.
Well hey, john, here’s a handy list of Xerox products … kindly ask the CCCP to collect them all while they still can! 😛
http://ftp.xerox.com/dnd/productList.jsf?Xlang=en_US
But… but… I thought the CCP said they tested *every possible way* the PDF could’ve been created? Now you’re saying they left out the most obvious ones (because obviously the WH would not have scanned a document on Cousin Cletus’ $50 all-in-one scannerprintercopierfaxmachine)?
Because, you see, unless you tested *every possible way*, you cannot possibly conclude “a crime has been committed”. That’s like testing 1200 guns and then saying “the guy’s guilty” while leaving out the remaining 500 (or 5,000) guns on the market.
I’ve always concidered George Pepitt’s 1200 scans as
“Yeah Mike, I had my computer scan this 1200 times overnight while I slept and there were like no layers.”
“YES! HE-MAN STANDS NO CHANCE NOW!!! MUHUHAHAHAAAA!!!”
“… Mike?”
NBC has done some really impressive work on detailing the NBC workflow..
Doc, on Hermitian, I’ve read some of his strings.. I wouldn’t characterize his responses as “engaging in rational dialogue”.
My impression is that he is a couple of posts away from a meltdown.. He’s dropped the technical jargon and has resorted mostly to name calling..
Typical birther/crank reaction when faced with facts and left without the talking points they read elsewhere. When forced to build a supporting argument for their claims on their own, their brain simply can’t comply.
That’s our henry. He used to do that on Amazon when put into a corner he lashes out and starts randomly insulting. He can’t back up his claims and knows he’s outmatched.
But, but Miki Booth said “Mike Zullo is laughing incredulously and talking with Judge Roy Moore”.
I have invited Garrett Papit to write a guest article on NBC’s work with the Xerox theory.
While the racial category of “African” on the Kenyan census form (and other East African countries) in the early 60s shows definitively that the colonial government applied that term to the African population. However, it does not automatically mean that Obama (Sr.) would have used that term in describing himself. In South Africa in the early 60s, the government used the racial category of “Bantu” to describe most Africans. However, this term was rejected by most of the politically conscious black people in South Africa, preferring the racial identity of “African”. It is, after all, the AFRICAN National Congress that led the struggle for a change in the government composition and policy.
As an aside, even though the Kenyan census of 1962 established a separate racial identity of “Somalian”, I believe a Somali from Northeast Kenya would have used “African” as a racial identifier. Likewise, although the Kenyan census form wanted “Asians” to use “Indian” or “Pakistani” as racial identifiers, I believe any person whose ancestors came from the former British colony of India would have used the racial identifier of “Asian”. Just because the colonial authorities established certain categories for political reasons in conducting the census does not necessarily mean the people used those categories in their self identification.
The self identification by Obama (Sr.) as “African” is exactly what I would expect, given the political consciousness of people of his age. The political literature(in English of that time is all about an “African” identity. The political literature in French was about “negritude” or blackness. I was in East Africa in the mid 1960s to attend Makerere University College and discussed at great length the African identity with the students there. I later did research on the group of Kenyans that flew to the U.S. in 1959 as part of the Mboya Airlift and interviewed many of them. Their self identity as “Africans” was extremely strong. So was their rejection of a Negro identity. For the students in Africa, Negro meant you were from the U.S.; for those Kenyan Africans who had been in the U.S., there was an even stronger reaction against identification as Negro. They were proudly “African” in their political aspirations. Although they were sympathetic to the political struggles of “negroes” in America, it was not their fight.
It is my belief that Obama (Sr.) was not present in the hospital room when the birth certificate was filled out. I believe that Stanley Ann provided the information of “African” and “Kenya, East Africa”. This suggests to me that Obama (Sr.) had impressed on Stanley Ann his own racial identity and his Kenyan, yet East African, Origins. This is exactly what I would expect, given Obama’s (Sr.) political activism at the University of Hawaii. From the biographies of him, his zeal for engaging his fellow students about the struggles for African independence would certainly have included discussions with Stanley Ann.
I would recommend they give up on the BC. They obviously have no background or experience with them and no clue what they are doing. Hint: it’s not the fact he posted a PDF that proves he’s a natural-born citizen…it’s the fact that Hawaii stands behind its records and say he was born there that makes him a natural born citizen. However, if you could locate irrefutable evidence of the President’s birth in another country, you might have something. Maybe instead of Hawaii, you and Mr Zullo could spend a week at that lovely vacation destination of Kenya. Enjoy your trip! Make sure NOT to write! 😀
“Does this mean on the birth certificate he would have declared his race as “martian” or “Placadian”
So, are the birther bigots now excluding Africa as a legitimate continent on planet Earth?
*smh*
What is the basis of your belief (for the record I agree with you)? But is your belief based on the written entries themselves? Or was there a cultural significance to his not being there?
poor john, he is so far down the rabbit hole he may never get out, his hate for Obama is so consuming that he is ruining his life.
Just a “surmise”, They didn’t live together after she got out of the hospital, as far as anyone can tell. There is no record of any of the his friends at the university being told about seeing his son. I recall that the INS records make it sound like he wasn’t up to speed on his wife and baby. I don’t think there is anything in the Luo culture that would preclude the father from seeing his wife and baby right after birth. There are ceremonies surrounding a birth, and as far as I know there is no record of Stanley Ann telling her son later in life that his father had come to perform the ceremonies. (My recollection about the exact nature of the ceremonies is a little hazy, but I don’t think they involve the father.)
My point was that the information on the form was exactly what Obama (Sr.) would have provided. If he was there, the information he provided is exactly as expected. If he wasn’t, the information that Stanley Ann provided is spot on, suggesting to me that she had fully internalized the political/racial persona of Obama (Sr.)
And that’s not all! If you call now, they’ll test it with this set of Ginsu knives!
“There is no record of any of the his friends at the university being told about seeing his son.”
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I attended University of Hawaii, I started during summer session of 61, the foreign exchange cafeteria was cheaper so I hung out there, I met most exchange students including a black African that had a pregnant white wife. That student could not drive so he asked me to take him to see his baby. I didn’t have a car so I asked another friend to take us. I don’t remember his name but recently my wife told me it was Obama Sr. (she was a foreign exchange student from Japan). We were causal acquaintances not exactly friends.
I pretty much agree with that. That she left for Washington soon after the birth was another indication to me that the marriage may have been done to make an honest woman of her and so the child would be considered legitimate.
Interesting. You went along? If you did, you went into the hospital with the fellow? Tell us more!
I”nteresting. You went along? If you did, you went into the hospital with the fellow? Tell us more!”
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yes, I went along, we went up to the viewing room and saw the little black baby, plus my wife baby sat for his wife a couple of times, so she knew the mother. I never put this together till recently. Though I remember the incident I forgot all names. Note: breakfast in the foreign students cafeteria was 25 cents.
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I didn’t get married till 1964, so her baby sitting was before we were married as was my trip to the hospital, the car was driven by my Chinese (local not from China) friend, he looked exactly like a popular Hawaiian TV show character.
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my most memorable moments were at UH, I lived on a boat at the Ala Wai Yacht Harbor, free rent in exchange for boat maintenance. The good old days.
Did she steal it? How did she manage to get the vault copy? how many people did she kill while breaking into the records vault? How many people did it take? Was id a full on frontal assault, or a high-tech break-n using top secret stealth technology she got from Tom Cruise?
Miki doesn’t have the original. You don’t have a clue.
“Actually Miki Booth has the original hard copy BC”
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more than likely the hospital souvenir BC, much like I have my daughter’s Kapiolani BC, you can’t get a passport or a drivers license with it.
that would be like me trying to test the performance of a kawasaki GPz 750 turbo by road testing a normally aspirated kawasaki GPz 750.
it makes no sense, and any data gained would be totally irrelevent
Thank you very much for the information!
Does you wife remember the location of the babysitting? Was it at the address that was listed on the birth certificate? Any evidence that the husband was living there or even appeared while your whife was babysitting?
(We all should be so lucky as to live on a boat at a yacht club during our college years.)
” Was it at the address that was listed on the birth certificate?”
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she doesn’t remember the address, she never saw the father, just the mother
I was the one who saw the father, but I don’t remember the mother though I’m sure I saw her on campus
(whatever that may imply)
And they’ll throw in a free ice crusher and every record ever recorded. They’ll initially drive a truck to your house.
But you must act now – before Obama’s Chicago thugs find out and aieeeeeeeeee…
Prove it. How did she get it? When did she fly to Hawaii, and how did she get into the archives?
Did she pay someone $5,000 like Lucas Smith claimed he did in Nairobi?
T. Lobsang Rampa wrote a book, claiming he went to Venus: My Visit to Venus…describes how Rampa meets the masters of several planets during a trip in a spaceship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa
Really?
In the image you posted, the registration number has been redacted. Didn’t you used to argue that redacting the registration number on Obama’s COLB made it invalid?
This puts me in mind of a video Doc linked to a while ago, from an Arizona news station. The owner of a document company out there, when he first heard Sheriff Joke’s report, also thought that layers sounded suspicious. If I remember correctly, he took an employee’s birth certificate (which the employee had at the office for some reason), and scanned it first with a lower-end scanner, then with a high-end scanner. Lo and behold, the high-end scan had layers, while the low-end did not! It turns out that yes, different machines will produce different outputs. I know, John, that concept is too crazy to be possible, right?
Just wanted to say Mahalo to Doc C, RC & NBC for their hard work.
Hearing it helped me to understand easier.
I guess I’m an auditory learner too.
Here is a clue about which Xerox scanners use JBIG2 compression. Xerox put out a press release yesterday addressing the scanning errors caused by JBIG2 that blogger David Kriesel discovered.
Xerox lists these models:
Impacted Office Product Families
ColorQube: 87XX, 89XX, 92XX, 93XX
WorkCentre: 5030, 5050, 51XX, 56XX, 57XX, 58XX, 6400, 7220, 7225, 75XX, 76XX, 77XX, 78XX
WorkCentrePro: 2XX
BookMark: 40, 55