When I started to write this article, the title was going to be, “Arpaio should dissolve the Cold Case Posse,” but then I realized that the Cold Case Posse is an independent non-profit corporation not run by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office: The MCSO didn’t charter it; they don’t fund it; they don’t oversee it; they can’t make it go away. They can, however, sever all ties with it.
In all of this birther stuff, the reason for the Cold Case Posse gets lost. They were chartered to look into unsolved homicides in Maricopa County, Arizona. Here’s what the Cold Case Posse web site says:
In October of 2006, Sheriff Arpaio ordered the creation of the MCSO Cold Case Posse (CCP). The purpose of the CCP was to assist in the investigation of Cold Case Homicides. Since its inception, the CCP has been placed under the guidance and control of The General Investigation Division’s Homicide Squad (GID).
Nothing on the CCP web site suggests that they have ever actually assisted any homicide investigation, much less solved any cold cases. It’s 100% Obama birth certificate. So if they aren’t doing what they are supposed to do, then they shouldn’t exist.
More importantly, the Cold Case Posse with their wild accusations, fabricated evidence, crazy conspiracy theories, lack of proper law enforcement procedures, grandstanding, and use of unqualified experts puts a permanent taint on anything they might do in the future. That is, any evidence they developed in an attempt to solve a cold case could be impeached by the fact that they faked evidence, lied, and didn’t know what they are talking about in the past when they “investigated” President Obama’s birth certificate. Using the Cold Case Posse to develop evidence in a cold case homicide investigation would be like giving a murderer a
If I was Zullo, I’d be more worried about Arpaio tossing me under the bus and using me to make him look better…something Arpaio’s been known to do again and again to his supporters.
[This is the 200,000th comment on the blog. Doc.]
Doc,
Your post prompted me to review the Cold Case Posse’s Articles of Incorporation:
http://images.azcc.gov/scripts/cgi/dwispart2.pl?COMMAND=9&SESSIONID=YNHeRfzB2v9Lm1MYdHe9X8CYwuiEBZfz0436c3be&RESULTID=70701042&DISPLAYOPTIONS=0x0001&DOCID=1&PAGE=1&TOPAGE=1&PAGERANGEOPTIONS=1&ROTATION=0x0000&ZOOM=0x8000
First, the articles don’t really say the posse will work on “cold cases” and most of stuff is legal boilerplate but one section on the first page jumps out at me:
Article III
“The character of affairs of the corporation will be to maintain peace and good order; to uphold the law in Maricopa County; defend the Constitution of the United States of American and the State of Arizona; to be a loyal member of the Sheriff’s Posse; to work together as a team in an efficient productive manner; to work within an agreed upon investigation plan that will allow whoever looks at our work to know what the status of the investigation is at anytime; that every member of the Posse work their respective cases in the same manner as all other posse members are working their cases.”
The sentence in bold is the one that interests me.
Zullo’s never ending tap dance puts him in clear violation of his own articles of incorporation.
The bottom line is that a quick read of the articles makes it clear that the Cold Case Posse is a stand alone organization with no responsibility to anyone or anything other than itself that can, in the end, do whatever it wants.
The question for the lawyers among us is how does Zullo’s conduct jeopardize the posse’s corporate and non-profit status?
Carl: “Article III
“The character of affairs of the corporation will be to maintain peace and good order; to uphold the lawn in Maricopa County;…”
I’m not sure the citizens of Maricopa County likes the idea of them upholding the lawn…maybe Zullo’s new job is cutting it?
(I got the 200,000 post? What’d I win, an Obama BC coffee cup? :lol:)
LOL!! Yes, I saw that before you posted your message and thought of leaving it just for fun.
Congrats on #200k.
A Lieutenant Colonel Breasseale gave Sharon Rondeau a great smackdown in her latest article:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2013/08/29/where-is-the-u-s-military-on-obamas-fake-credentials/print/
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh man, they are seriously unhappy at ORYR today!!
CarlOrcas
“to work together as a team in an efficient productive manner; to work within an agreed upon investigation plan that will allow whoever looks at our work to know what the status of the investigation is at anytime;”
Does that include letting the public review what the CCCP is doing? Would that be plan A or plan B?
And they’re throwing fits at FreeRepublic.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3060359/posts
Why they thought they would get a definitive answer on military policy from a public information officer is beyond me but at this point I guess they’ll try anything.
Good question. I think “whoever” should include the public. Certainly more people than Mike Zullo.
I’m waiting for john’s reply as to how many members there in the Cold Case Posse.
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From the “Only In Arizona, Weird Facts But True” file:
It used to be standard practice for folks in Phoenix, in the middle of the desert (they got their water from dams on the Gila River), to flood their lawns. Literally. They had six inch (or more) dams all around their lawn and they would flood the lawn. They were doing this when I first moved to Phoenix from Michigan in the late 50’s and they were still doing it in the mid 60’s.
The practice caused several problems including raising the water table in the valley and bringing salinity problems that caused problems for farmers too. I think the practice is banned now, but current residents could answer that question better.
Tucson’s water problem was pretty much the opposite. They get their water from underground, and have lowered the water table, which has eliminated the grass and allowed the mesquite to move down from the hillsides and populate the valley.
Tucson’s water is quite alkaline and the old pipes are sometimes held together just by the encrustations. When Central Arizona Project water from the Colorado River arrived in Tucson and started putting it through the pipes, it dissolved some of the encrustations causing leaks and consumer lawsuits. Now they pump the CAP water underground south of town to restore the aquifer and continue to get the tap water from wells.
Edit: I just remembered that the University of Arizona (in Tucson) used to do the lawn flooding thing too. I only remember seeing it in front of the old Anthropology building, though.
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Quote of the Decade candidate.
Ah another happy day!
I love the smell of birther misery in the early evening.
…hold on a tic!
*looks at the card*
*looks at Doc’s picture*
*looks at the card*
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GASP! You’re Rich Uncle Pennybags!
It’s already the Quote of the Day. You’ll see it when the Widget Cache expires.
That comes not from the Articles of Incorporation, but from the CCP web site.
http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/index.php/about-ccp
But the Articles don’t say WHO can look at their work, only that the ones that do look at the work will know their status. I don’t think this section was ever intended to imply public review, which would after all be inappropriate for a police investigation.
The violation in my mind is the prohibition against propaganda, which is all they really do.
Having a hissy fit over at free republic too……
Irrigation is still allowed and used in many of the older residential sections of the valley. Problem is between the berms, which don’t get green, and the lawns which are full of weeds from the irrigation water the lawn isn’t nearly as nice as a flat, sprinkled chunk of turf that looks like a golf course!
There are irrigation districts all over the valley that serve both residential and farm customers. You pay the district whether you use the water or not and, if you do, you pay an additional fee for a person to come around to turn the irrigation on and off once a month or so.
The only problem is the CCP wasn’t formed, incorporated, until the end of December 2006.
And, of course, this explanation flies right in the face of Arpaio’s statement of a few weeks ago regarding the relationship of his public office and the private posses.
Zullo is obviously not under the control or guidance of anyone or anything!!
Notice that we have never heard a peep from any SO supervisor about Zullo or the posse.
An Arizona lawyer will need to jump in and tell us what the situation is regarding non-profits in Arizona and with the IRS and public access to what they’re doing.
Let’s not forget that the posse can not conduct police investigations because its members have no police authority.
If, for the sake of discussion, the sheriff really wanted to get help in conducting real investigations of cold cases he could assign certified reserves deputies to the task and place them under the command and control of the appropriate unit.
Many departments assign senior, experienced reserves to investigative duties.
And, yes, I agree about the problem with propaganda.
Gives the birthers a dose of reality.
I’ll bet the only cold case investigated is Coors. 😉
bada-bing
Oh, sure, I know there’s lots of irrigation and that is legitimate as far as it goes. I’m talking about residential lawns, not cotton farms. Although many of those residential lawns used to be cotton or citrus or sugar beets.
Not to wander too far afield…..so to speak…but the irrigation districts cover geographical areas and provide water to commercial and residential customers in that area.
When farm land is sold and subdivided for residential use the rights to irrigation water (much cheaper than city water) goes with the land. In many older areas people have put in nice flat lawns and regretted it when their city water bills hit $200 plus a month in the summer as opposed to the $20 they paid for irrigation.
For the record…sugar beets were a short lived phenomenon in the valley. The processing plant is still there in Glendale but hasn’t seen a beet for almost a hundred years. The big water consuming crop was cotton. Fields covered much of the area west of the Black Canyon freeway in Phoenix until the late 50’s and is still grow further west and southeast in the Chandler area. Citrus was big in northeast Phoenix and Mesa (where the Sunkist packing plant still stands along the railroad tracks downtown) with the remaining groves primary targets for developers.
Now….back to our regularly scheduled discussion.
When I lived in Phoenix, (57-60), everything between the Salt River and South Mountain was citrus groves except for the occasional flower farms. And the only bridge across the Salt had a ‘No Fishing From Bridge’ sign on it. OK maybe there were two bridges, but who needs a bridge when there is never any water in the river?
And who fishes in dirt?. There aren’t any gold coins in dirt. Gold flakes maybe, but you got to convert it to mud to get it out. Whatever.
The Glendale plant shut down quickly, but sugar beets were still being grown into the mid 80’s. The Spreckles plant was in Chandler and operated from the 30’s until 1984 when soft drink manufacturers switched to corn syrup and sugar beet prices collapsed. There is a golf course on the site now.
Here’s a 1980 (I assume) report: Cost of Producing Sugar Beets in Arizona
Here’s a paragraph on beets and Spreckles from a Chandler history site: Chandlerpedia: Agriculture: Sugar Beets
When I say ‘occasional flower farms’, I really mean that the Japanese Flower Gardens were effing big business back then.
An update to the “SharonThe Harpy” story (from her website):
Update, 11:29 p.m.: A response received from Breasseale at 10:56 a.m. EDT reads simply, “Noted.”
http://www.thepostemail.com/2013/08/29/where-is-the-u-s-military-on-obamas-fake-credentials/print/
Still one letter too much. McAuliffe did better.
Yes, they were on Baseline Road between about 32nd and 48th Streets as I recall. It was a great alternate route from central Phoenix to Tucson.
The Chandler plant was only open for a few years….ten, maybe. It was part of an ill conceived strategy to centralize processing. Sugar beets were brought in by train from all over, including California. The transportation costs doomed the strategy.
Ah…..yes…..check it again. They grew seeds starting in the 30’s. The plant, it says, was opened in 1967 and closed in 1984.
Gosh, it’s almost like y’all have threadjacks just like the folks at Frogbrow!
This morning I had to tell my wife the definition of the word “pwned,” because my 12 yr. old has been using it. So I gave her an example, too.
I told her, “Carl Gallups said yesterday that Zullo the Clown is investigating specific Obots now but which ones is a secret, just like his evidence is secret and who they’re meeting with is secret and their answer to NBC’s Xerox evidence is secret and everything else is secret, except that this is a criminal investigation and it’s moving forward really fast!
So I looked at the ORYR post about it, and everyone was in agreement that he means Foggy and I’m going to prison forever real soon!
So they’re “pwned” by me. They know from experience that Gallups is full of horse droppings, but if he says “Zullo the Clown is investigating Obots,” they all know right away which Obot is the most deserving of going to prison.
Sorry Doc, eat yer heart out. There’s a link to this post, but I don’t see any mention in that thread of you going to prison, you poor bunny!
I suspect you are thinking of a different part of town. Agriculture was fairly diversified south of the river but was clustered far south along the Baseline where two major canals ran east to west.
You only lived there for a couple years so you probably missed the big floods and periodic releases when the reservoirs on the Salt River received too much water from up north. And, at that time, there were at least two bridges – Mill Avenue at Tempe and Central Avenue in Phoenix and, maybe, 7th Avenue also.
All the rest of the north south laterals were surface crossings that closed when there was water flow. Both Central and Mill were badly damaged in floods since you lived there.
So much to choose from, but this particular claim stood out to me:
Other than his birth certificate, the birth index, and the birth announcements in the paper. Eyewitness accounts. Photographs. Barack Senior’s FOIA dump.
So, as with all crack birther investigations, there is no evidence — other than all the evidence they choose to ignore.
And not to beat a dead horse, but what evidence — other than the aforementioned eyewitness accounts and photographs — does one expect to find of what a child was doing between birth and enrolling in school?
Yesterday’s feeding frenzy seems to have died out pretty quickly. I can’t wait for today’s edition!
How about his finger paintings? I bet they’re just full of red stars and hammers and sickles.
I lived in the Phoenix area for a few years in the late seventies. The first time I saw an irrigated lawn I was stunned – it hadn’t rained in weeks, so how did that lawn get flooded? Here in New York I haven’t had to water my lawn once this year.
I lived near 59th Avenue and Thunderbird. There were orange groves a little south of me on 59th Avenue and there were cotton fields nearby. I could see and hear the crop dusters from time to time. It looks that area is all developed now.
The last home we owned in Phoenix had a pool and a water feature that ran all the time plus the lawn had been converted from irrigation to sprinklers. In July and August we had water bills north of $300 a month!! On top of that your sewage charge is based on the amount of water you use and that was often around $150 a month. No cheap livin’ in the Valley of the Sun.
When we lived in Ohio we never watered the lawn and our bill never went over $20 as I recall.
There is a Busch case in Arizona that would bear looking into.
Since he’s (nominally) black, I’m sure there are some birthers who find it suspicious that he didn’t have at least a misdemeanor, if not a felony, rap sheet.
Someone needs to remind Zullo that even Jesus didn’t leave any public “evidence” until he was 12.
Actually, there is no contemporary evidence of the life of Jesus. The first Christian gospel dates a generation (30+ years) after Jesus’ execution for blasphemy (or sedition, take your pick). And the earliest non-Christian source is probably from a questionable account by Josephus, who was born about the time Jesus died.
Well, I put “evidence” in quotes because I was referring to the Biblical narrative.
So, do you think Arpaio would dismiss the CCP faster if we got ’em indicted? Although he might not be in a position to do that: Carl’s recent revelation suggests he might be in on the scam.
George Steinbrenner, the controversial–and now, departed–owner of the New York Yankees, was a master showman. His frequent bouts of outrage, both real and pretend, was a self-confessed effort to “put asses in the seats” of Yankee stadium. Presumably, the posteriors in the seats would then purchase expensive beer and hotdogs while present. Not only that, but they would be prime targets for the over-priced paraphernalia that is the suburban equivalent of Air Jordans.
Carl Gallups is following that script to glue birther ears to the radio. If he can attract a plurality of the 5-15000 (unscientifically estimated) birthers, a number of obots, various others that suffer from ODS, and some drive-by listeners, he would be able to pitch himself to a major radio station. No more pissant 300 watt outlets–Carl would be in the big time.
Carl is using the Supreme High Admiral of the Seas, Zullo, as well as unsuspecting obots to inflate his listener numbers. Of course, it doesn’t matter that a substantial portion of the listenership’s purpose is to debunk and ridicule, rating gurus only count the number of listeners.
Muhammed Ali, a showman of some repute himself, used to provoke and enrage some in order to promote antipathy so that some people would pay in the hopes of seeing him get his comeuppance. So, expect Gallups to say even more outrageous things in the future, so that obots will tune in in order to call him a liar.
That doesn’t work on me personally. I find the guy repulsive, and I avoid listening to him.