Taitz v. Colvin is the subject of much excitement among the birthers. Taitz is attempting to obtain, through FOIA, the social security application for someone she thinks rightfully owns the social-security number that Barack Obama used on his tax returns in years past. Birthers think that proof is just over the horizon—SSA says it doesn’t have any such records.
Taitz was able to file the suit because the Social Security Administration did not respond to the FOIA request in the time allowed by statute. Eventually the government responded, saying they didn’t have any records matching one Taitz request, for Harrison (Harry) J. Bounel and a birth year of 1890, immigrant from Russia who received a Social Security number in the state of Connecticut in and around March 28, 1977. The judge dismissed the complaint because once the government responds to the FOIA request, the grounds for the lawsuit evaporate. However, helpful Federal District Judge Ellen Hollander told Taitz that should she allege that the search was inadequate, she might be allowed to continue, and the court said it would entertain an amended complaint. That amended complaint was filed. The government moved to dismiss again, or in the alternate for summary judgment. The motion to dismiss details the search performed:
SSA also conducted alternate searches [beyond the SSN] of the Numident using Mr. Bounel’s name (the following variations were searched: Harrison Bounel, Harrison J. Bounel, Harry Bounel, and Harry J. Bounel) and year of birth (i.e., 1890). Because Plaintiff did not provide a full date of birth, SSA performed a date range search for any Numident records with dates of birth between January 1, 1890 and January 1, 1894.
Our helpful judge, not assuming that Taitz knows that she has to respond to the motion to dismiss, has sent Taitz a letter (or rather the clerk of court did), explaining that Taitz must respond and the consequences if she doesn’t (having her complaint dismissed 😯 ) . There’s even an attached copy of the rules!
Taitz’ response is due Tuesday (18 Feb 2014). And please, no more than 50 pages, including attachments (the 2nd amended complaint was 181).
Interesting.
http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM
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Sounds like standard procedure for all SSN suits in that court. While one could say that it is giving advice from the court, (generally prohibited) what it does do is get the case moving on to eventual dismissal with a minimum of fuss over procedure. Similar missives from a court are used in all sorts of cases, the letter and such are form letters generated by the clerk, not the judge.
I don’t doubt it. This tongue-in-cheek article is facetiously playing with Orly’s interpretation of the judge’s earlier order allowing the amended complaint.The primary purpose of this article is to refresh the context for Taitz’ presumed filing next week.
That letter is worthless. It is “Dr zahnwalt Orly Taitz Esq., Cand. AG Gen. CA” and not just “Dear Orly Taitz” !
What’s to be done with a crazy Floridian who repeatedly attempts to draw attention to nutty assertions that she has participated in everything from murder to forged documents?
Arthur, you found the right words. I dare to say – though – that Mrs. Owens and Mrs. Taitz as well would do themselves a favor by seeking professional – [Redacted. Doc] – help.
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Hey Nancy, not that you had any credibility to begin with, but spamming a link that’s in all caps isn’t going to improve your chances any.
I’ve given you the facts that the FBI, CIA, etc. won’t give you. Am I competing in a beauty contest here? *g*
Since neither the rational agents of the FBI nor the nutty denizens of Birther Report take you seriously, why should I? I’m not in the habit of wasting my time on goofination.
But what about hiring a private investigator? There are some wonderful PI’s who have been instrumental in pursuing birther claims, for example, Linda Jordan and Neil Sankey. Grease their palms and they’ll do what you ask.
The law requires a plausible reason to investigate.
Your delusions are not plausible reasons.
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And they don’t care anymore than anyone else does, since they know you are a certified nut job and serial liar with absolutely no credibility and no grip on reality. You wouldn’t even come in last in a beauty contest, so no issue.
Hey Doc, I usually find Nancy Nutbar’s ravings as amusing as the next guy, but can we please put a kibosh on the more graphic details of her feverish imaginings?
And yet, so funny that I look just like an older version of the girl in the picture that “Obama” claims is his half-sister.
SHhhh…….they always tell the public the truth and there is no conspiracy….shhhh!
http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM
And shall this malicious, grinning madness remain? I ask again, what’s to be done with this crazy Floridian? She’s not a birther, she’s an attention-seeking nut, whose posts are becoming more offensive by the hour.
Well,
Man up and call the Alachua County Sheriff’s Department or America’s Most Wanted @ 1-800-CRIMETV.
Shhh…..they always tell the public the truth and there is no conspiracy…..shhhh!
http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM
Nancy, you are not the worth dust that the rude wind blows in your face.
Yeah, that usually shuts them up. Easier to believe the lie than it is to pursue the truth. Easier to turn on the boob tube where everything in life is perfect and comedic than to pick up a gun and fight. You don’t even have the nerve to pick up a phone to make a call. I know the Doc will. And, at the end of it all, you’ll ask yourselves, “How is it that we have lost our country to a foreign King?”
http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM
Nancy. Be honest.
You’re a performance artist. Right?
You’ll never get the part about the scalp and the orgy past the studio heads or the MPAA, but we’ll take a look at a re-write.
Sad.
No, Nancy, you obviously have an inner beauty that blows away anyone whose murder you accept on contract.
But getting back to Obama’s unfinished second term as President of the United States, do you by any chance have a degree in, or do you grant degrees in, Universe Shattering?
And report that loons incessantly post delusional rants on the internet? No crime there, unless the loon starts making threats, or starts supplementing their online ranting with offline actions.
Really? “America’s Most Wanted” is your go-to with suspicions of criminal activity? Your loved ones need to limit your screen time.
How is it that you can manage ‘Alachua’, but not ‘dilimma’?
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When you went to the police station to confess your many crimes, did they at least offer to drive you home once they stopped laughing hysterically at your completely idiotic stories?
How many birther sites have banned you? Just curious.
Let me spell it out for you. PDF file means they prove America incompetent to vet candidates. An actual PAPER document brings in the forger which is me forcing Russians to disclose their Cuban/ Russian agents which they’re not prepared to do. Especially with Cuba’s Ted Cruz trying so desperately to get on the running board. Isn’t Orly Taitz Russian?
https://www.youtube.com/user/amendment28now
When you went to the police station to confess your many crimes, did they at least offer to drive you home once they stopped laughing hysterically at your completely idiotic stories?
How many birther sites have banned you? Just curious.
That is, ‘dilemma” LOL
I always find it fascinating that people can not just ignore a troll. Utterly fascinating.
I find it fascinating that some hardcore birther bigots have the attention span of a fruit fly.
Note sign in right sidebar.
I find it fascinating that ‘Nancy’ ignores me even though I know exactly who ‘she’ is and what ‘her’ real story is.
Point well taken. Nancy’s comments have gone far afield from the issue of Obama Conspiracy Theories. I have removed some comments that do not belong here.
Her explosive participation caught me off guard. I may have to put her in moderation.
I wish we could get a consensus to ignore trolls, rather than banning anyone. Banning is too much of a Birther tactic. If you don’t respond to the trolls, there is no feedback that they desire, so they go elsewhere.
Reminds me of an old Doris Day movie. Somebody was calling her on the phone and breathing. My idea would be not to answer. Or leave it to the answering machine or one of her servants. (She was a rich lady in the movie with servants to do anything.) But oh no. She HAD to answer. Every time it rang, she got a terrified expression and started to hyperventilate. But her hand reached compulsively to clutch the ringing monster… Because SHE HAD TO PICK IT UP!
Don’t ban anyone. Just let’s ignore the trolls. We don’t HAVE TO ANSWER THEM. We don’t have to acknowledge their presence.
It’s all such a waste of public resources. The default Orly screech if something doesn’t exist is to say it must have been scrubbed. However, party time. She says she can’t find cases she needs on Westlaw (because they’ve been scrubbed, of course, not because there are no such cases or she can’t find them) and she wants her supporters to help. I think we Obots have a civic duty to help her, and I can find time I plan to send her details of some that are directly on point. I’ll include citations. As she won’t check, she’ll likely include them in her filings. This will be such fun!
There is actually a Canadian case on an agency misleading a court. But as a true Scalia/Thomas nutbar conservative, she couldn’t possibly approve of an American court relying on a foreign precedent, although funnily enough she does sometimes include non-US courts in her lengthy cc lists.
I’m not a psychiatrist, but my concern is that allowing her to post here only serves to enable her delusions. She is desperate for attention, and we’re not helping by giving it to her.
So? I get mistaken for Richard Dreyfus all the time. In my younger days it even got me laid. Who cares who you resemble, or not.
She has other places to post.
Funny you should mention that. I was thinking about an article just today that was pretty much what you described, but I didn’t write it. I figured she’d read it.
Mostly what Orly is doing is having an Orly-thon. She’s currently trying to raise money to put towards the filing costs associated with running for AG of California.
Apparently, just out-and-out begging on the internet is what works best for her.
I’m with you 100% on this (see sign about trolls in right sidebar), but reaching the consensus has been the sticking point.
There are many messages you never see, like this one:
They’re spam, and really no different from the off-topic comments from Nancy Owens, one of which was the single word “interesting” followed by a URL.
There are several things I could do including banning Nancy, or putting her in moderation so I can filter out or move to the Open Thread irrelevant comments. What I will do is to delete anything that is off-topic for the blog. Or I could create a single “the one and only Nancy Owens thread, knock yourself out.”
That sounds good in theory, but it doesn’t work in practice. And I speak from the experience of moderating political forums on CompuServe through over a million postings.
You can get the “consensus”, but, as long as its purely voluntary, it will “leak”: inevitably, someone’s especially-sensitive hot button will get pushed, and s/he’ll decide “This is so far beyond the pale, I have to break the rule, just this once”. And it’s not always because they’re weak, or jerks: a lot of really bad stuff has happened in the world, and political discussions often involve that bad stuff. No matter how hard and sincerely they try, people who have been/known victims of that bad stuff will sometimes fail in their resolve when they see their experience being denigrated, or the perpetrators excused. And most people, including me, will occasionally slip up at even lower thresholds.
If no one moderates the forum, the threshold at which responding to trolls is considered “understable” starts to creep downward, until you wind up with something like Usenet.
Additionally, not all trolls will go away if they don’t get an immediate response. Sometimes, they’ll keep escalating until they do. And, even if everyone maintains discipline, the sight of those turds floating in the puchbowl diminishes what the kids call the “user experience”.
If you want to have a meeting-place that a broad spectrum of people will value and participate in, some of those who do their worst to damage it must occasionally feel the squeeze of the iron hand in the pubkeeper’s velvet glove.
It can be a difficult job, trying to maintain reasonable levels of both “freedom of speech” and “freedom from brawls”. I think we should occasionally make a point of thanking Doc for taking the time to do it, and commend him for doing it well.
“Troll” is often synonymous with “an opinion I don’t want to hear.” In my humble opinion it’s an easy label to apply when you’re thin skinned and don’t want to deal with opposing views.
I was banned from freerepublic.com for being an anti-birther “troll.” I was always polite, never abusive, but just presented opposing views to the birther party line.
It saddens me when anti-birthers are no better than birthers in their tolerance for those who don’t see things the anti-birther way.
I consider a troll to be someone who posts inflammatory comments in order to rile people up. Nancy isn’t a troll in that sense. I don’t believe that she posts here to rile people up, but she certainly doesn’t post here to have a rational discussion, either. For example, she refuses to answer when asked how she forged Obama’s birth certificate, where she got the details to include in the birth certificate, etc. (never mind her claims that she killed Pablo Escobar). She is just looking for attention, in my opinion.
I don’t believe that Doc has ever banned anyone simply for having opposing views. However, many of the birthers have justifiably gone into moderation when they refuse to engage with people who challenge their views.
Mmmm, no: like “spam”, it’s often abused by people who want it to mean that, but Rickey is right about its “proper” (though no longer widely respected) meaning.
Alas, a lot of once-useful geekspeak words have been debased by the widening of the Information Superhighway™ and the spread of advanced technology to the non-geek masses.
Personally, I blame AOL 😉
Hence my comment about the attention span of a fruit fly. There is something telling about deliberate silence especially from a troll or attention seeker.
I just hate that Spam has come to mean what it does on the internet. Its an affront to one of my favorite foodstuffs.
Have to send that complaint to those Python boys. You got to admit, it makes a great verb 😀
… and not a bit of it on topic.
[ Yeah, bit of a hypocrite I am, I am, but I would beg a distinction between single-subject, one-line asides and rambles through menageries! ]