Mike Zullo is subpoenaed by the ACLU to be deposed on October 7 at 1 PM under oath in the Melendres v. Arpaio lawsuit. The deposition may last up to 4 hours. So reads court documents in the case.
While I would dearly love to see the evasive and misleading Mike Zullo be examined on a number of topics related to his public statements, I sincerely doubt that much will come out about the birthers in his testimony, as the Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obama is extremely tangential to the matter at hand. Perhaps we will learn who was paying him and how much during the time he was supposed to be working 24/7 on the Obama investigation.
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Benji Franklin
“No surprise really. Imagine Zoo Low being questioned officially, under oath and the penalty of perjury, about what his REAL activities were in the CCP!
According to a discussion at Fogbow, the Zullo depostion will be taking place in Melendres v. Arpaio.
Actually, there might be more on birthering than we think. There will be a lot of questions about before, during, and after he met Montgomery. Depending on what the plaintiffs have, it could get interesting!
Looking for a volunteer who lives in AZ
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That’s what I’ve been thinking too. There have to be some introductory questions about the general scope of his duties at MCSO, and there may be some pursuits that he’d rather discuss and others that he’s rather avoid. In that context, birthering might be among the less damaging ones to emphasize.
Let’s not forget this was at the same time mark gillar said he was working 40 hours a week at $10 an hour as a mall cop
Arthur B
“…and there may be some pursuits that he’d rather discuss and others that he’s rather avoid. ”
Let’s guess…
I hope Kommander ZooLow remembers all of those radio interviews over the past few years.
I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure that the only parts of the deposition we will ever hear about are the parts that are eventually quoted in the public record of the case — if any.
That was my question. Will we get to hear or read about any of it?
Whenever I think of Zullo on the witness stand, I can’t help but think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXwt5HNFLU
First, I want to know if I can get the popcorn concession.
Second, I know that there is a lot of speculation as to whether he will plead the fifth, assuming that he count that high. I am, as usual, of two minds about this.
If Zullo is the grifter and conman I and so many others belief him to be he may well plead the fifth, unless of course he thinks that he can continue the con during his deposition.
On the other hand, if he is just a moron and actually believes his own BS, he will not think that he had done anything wrong and see no need to plead to the fifth.
It will be most entertaining if Klaymann represents Zullo for the deposition.
I look forward to reading the transcript or (please god, let it be so) watching the a videotape of the deposition. We will finally find out for sure whether Zullo is a conman or a moron (and no, I am not discounting the possibility that he is both)
Of course you can. Just deposit $10,000 in old unmarked bills into my PayPal account and I’ll put you in contact with Orville Redenbacher right away.
Yoda
“It will be most entertaining if Klaymann represents Zullo for the deposition.”
With Klayman potentially being called as a witness according to Judge Snow and his pro hac vice being denied I think Kommander ZooLow will be looking elsewhere for his legal representation. I know of one attorney in California who has quite a track record in court. She’s batting 1,000.
It appears that the deposition is going to be held at a court reporter’s office, so it will not be open to the public like a court hearing would be. I don’t know if news reporters will be allowed to attend.
It also appears that all of the depositions in the Melendres case are going to be videotaped, but whether we will ever view them or read transcripts remains to be seen. I am sure that Mr. Lemons of the Phoenix New Times will do his best to get his hands on them.
Court Reporter: “Okay, Mr Zoo Low. Before we start taking your deposition, I’m going to have to ask you to take off that cardboard badge so that I can see more of your face.”
Mike Zoo Low (after prolonged fabric-ripping sounds):”How’s that?”
Court Reporter: “Well, that’s a little better – but now I can see why the fire-marshall is so concerned about your mustache.”
Mike Zoo Low:”Well, that’s about everything I know. Can I go now?”
Court Reporter:”No, Mr. Zoo Low. I need you to use the next four hours to tell me everything your investigation turned up connected with Judge Suh Know and Mount Gummery.”
Mike Zoo Low:”Okay judge, well that would comprise the entire text of “A Tale of Two Cities” and about two thirds of the text of Edgar Rice Burroughs’ book, ‘Tarzan and the Ant Men!.”
Court Reporter:”Mr Zoo Low, do you know what ‘Contempt of Court’ means?”
Mike Zoo Low (after clearing his throat):”It was the best of times, it was the worst of times……
Depositions are conducted privately and not open to the public. News reporters will not be allowed to attend. However, eventually the transcripts made into exhibits in the case will be available to the general public. Don’t know about the videos though but I suspect they will be accessible to the public as well.
That about says it all. I can’t think of any more appropriate way for Zullo to start his deposition.
I hope GIL shows up for Zullo’s deposition, and immediately gets handed a subpoena for his own deposition. That would be fun. 😀
If any legal experts on the Wong Kim Ark and Minor v. Happersett decisions would like to help out smrstrauss against MarioApuzzo at
http://www.westernfreepress.com/2015/03/05/ted-cruz-and-natural-born-citizenship-a-belated-reply-to-mario-apuzzo/?hubRefSrc=email&utm_source=lfemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=lfnotification#lf_comment=373604959
…i’m pretty sure he’d welcome that assistance.
Zullo under oath is something I think that the birthers actually fear happening.
Yes, that’s the case here in New York, but I wasn’t sure about Arizona. There won’t be any boots on the ground reports, but I’m sure that the information will get out.
There are over 10,000 comments on that one article at that site, many of which are Apuzzo’s. Anyone who chooses to engage with Apuzzo knows that he’s intractable.
… they should seek professional counseling.
I’m with bob on this: after 6 months, and 10,000 comments, that horse has been beaten so far past the point of death you’d need a crime lab to find any remaining traces of it. If Apuzzo won’t believe judges when they tell him his legal theories and notions of history should be fertilizing his roses instead of smelling up courtrooms, he’s not going to be persuaded by online postings.
There are moles in the Sheriff’s Office lawn, in the Federal Court lawn, in the grass outside the ACLU office. They are everywhere!
It looks like all of the depositions in the Melendres case are going to be held at Legal Video Specialists, 3033 N. Central Avenue, Suite 100, Phoenix, Arizona, 85012. Jerry Sheridan’s is set for September 15. Jack Ryan has published a couple of the subpoenas (not Zullo’s yet, as far as i can tell) and they say that the proceedings “may be videotaped.”
Mario has been mailed multiple times making up new positions that contradict his older positions. He’s nothing more than a dishonest troll
That should say nailed
It’s too bad he can’t be mailed… say, to Chechnya.
Postage due.
Here it is, and yes, it may be taped.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/zullo.subpoena-melendres.pdf
Hmmm, no duces tecum for “universe-shattering evidence”, so I guess the hopes of the birfers that it’ll turn into “A/Z Day” will go unfulfilled. Yet again…
“in his individual and official capacity in the Sheriff’s Department of Maricopa County”
Now I’m just a simple midwestern boy…but doesn’t Zullo have NO capacity in the Sheriff’s Department? Shouldn’t they have used a more accurate description like…”partner in crime” to the Sheriff’s Department?
He claimed, on more than one occasion, that he did. And he got paid (although we don’t know exactly how, so it’s not clear what the relationship is/was).
We’ll get a big clue when his legal bills start coming in, and the county decides whether it’s going to pay them.
Former Cold Case Posse member Brian Reilly told us in 2014: “According to my Posse training at an MCSO “Ethics” class, I was told repeatedly that I, as an unpaid volunteer, was considered an “employee” of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.”
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/03/brian-reilly-answers-commenter-questions-iii/
I think this “employee” status is a bit of fiction, and that Zullo will be on the hook for his own legal bills. Klayman said that he was representing Zullo, but I have doubts that Zullo is actually paying him. I am not seeing how Zullo is in any jeopardy fro anything likely to come up in his deposition. But then Zullo could be a crook and I just don’t know it.
If, as it appears, he was working both aspect of The Seattle Operation, I can see:
1. Criminal contempt (and/or obstruction of justice) for helping with the “Get Snow” part.
2. Trying to buy classified info (unless the “DC contacts” were feds who gave them the okay).
3. Mail fraud (if it turns out that he knew the “universe-shattering info” was never coming at a time when he was assuring the marks that it was).
1 & 2 are very likely to be covered in the deposition, since they’re directly related. The last, not so much, except to the extent that it goes to Monty’s credibility, and might bear on whether the MCSO thought they were getting real, or faked, dirt on Snow.
My guess is that we anti-birthers aren’t going to get much info about the birfering scam, 🙁 but that Zullo is definitely at risk because of his connection to Montgomery.
I suspect Zullo does as well.
I know where I’ll put my money.
As far as potential criminal liability the only thing that jumps out at me is his apparent misrepresentation of himself as a real deputy. Penny ante stuff but a crime nonetheless.
I also wonder if he doesn’t have some exposure with the money ($10k?) he took from the late rich guy.
Again, if “dumb in public” was a crime Zullo would already be making little ones out of big ones at Florence.
Hell no! Pay the freight—don’t take any chances that they’ll return him unopened.
ZooLow should be really worried. The ACLU attorney’s are good, I mean r-e-a-l-l-y good. Better cut a deal before it’s too late. The Klaymanites won’t be able to help.
I think Doc needs a count down clock to tick off the days until his depo.
George, they are also zealots. Not in the birther cult, moronic type of zealots, just true believers in their cause. They attract passionate, intelligent attorneys. Zullo is so screwed.
Zullo doesn’t actually need to have his own attorney for the deposition. It is a non-party deposition because he isn’t a party to the Melendres case. Arpaio’s attorneys will be there and I’m sure that they will object to any questions which they feel are out of line and/or irrelevant.
That said, if I were Zullo I would hire an attorney, because the questioning could get dangerously close to creating criminal jeopardy for him,
Rickey
“Arpaio’s attorneys will be there and I’m sure that they will object to any questions which they feel are out of line and/or irrelevant.”
So far, they haven’t made the appropriate objections for Arpaio IMHO.
Yoda,
“They attract passionate, intelligent attorneys. Zullo is so screwed.”
Yes, so screwed!
My suspicion is that he needs to worry about his various bits of grift comign out, since I’m betting he was getting far more money from the county than was claimed, and I am still betting that he is at the very least peripherally involved in the Shurf’s attempts to interfere with the judge. I don’t know if Zullo was smart enough to have figured any of it out, but he would make a great catspaw for soemthing like that, stupid and compliant, or is thjat complicit?
Which is what makes theses depositions so interesting:
Contrary to a witness on the witness stand in court, objections are made for the record but not ruled on, which means the deposed has to answer the question anyway.
We can expect that the ACLU attorneys have fully done their homework on Zullo and know exactly what he’s all about. I suspect they’re gonna find this to be funnest part of the whole litigation.
Zullo’s background and how he got hooked up with the MCSO in the first place will be explored by the deposition. In that regard, there will most definitely be some questions about the CCP and it’s birth certificate “investigation.” I expect it will be very entertaining.
While Zullo probably doesn’t have anything legally to worry about (unless he lies under oath) his deposition will probably be Arpaio’s worst nightmare. Zullo is a private citizen and not a party to the litigation. Consequently, there is nothing about Zullo’s interactions with the Sheriff that can arguably be protected by the Sheriff’s attorney/client privilege or his confidential investigation authority.
Zullo represents the soft underbelly of Arpaio’s defense and I am all but certain Arpaio knows this.
If he knows/reveals enough to be called as a witness, on the witness stand, under oath, for the contempt hearings…he represents the final word on the BC investigation.
There will be a glow in the force as all birther dreams die at once. Who’s got the popcorn?
I expect Zullo’s deposition to finally demonstrate the absurdity of the birth certificate “investigation”. It will be fun but it won’t be pretty.
All of the above.
I have a different opinion. I think Zullo is a minor player, and his questioning will be about what he knew concerning Montgomery’s judge investigation activities. The ACLU may know all about Zullo, but Zullo is tangential to Melendres.
True, but the Melendres case has nothing to do with the birth certificate.
Agreed their attorneys will be there but unless there’s some agreement one of them represents him for the purposes of the deposition they can not instruct him nor advocate on his behalf. Objections are (supposed to be) limited to “form” and “foundation”. No long speaking objections to coach the witness. I suspect this will be a point of contention during the depos whether he has his own attorney or not.
Also concur in that even though he’s a non-party he should hire his own attorney for the depo at the very least.
Last I saw (some time back) he was seeking one.
True. Unless he has his own attorney and is instructed (due to legit legal reasons) not to answer. That also to be ruled on later if necessary. It’s very limited in scope to not answer.
I know you’re just making a funny but court reporters don’t ask substantive questions at deposition. Attorneys do.
About the only time a court reporter will speak is to swear the witness, and during the course of the depo might occasionally have to ask someone to speak up, to slow down, ask the participants to not all speak at once. It’s pretty rare for the reporter to participate in any other way. They’re human and sometimes have to ask for a break, though good attorneys are pretty good at that as well.
But in Federal Court there is even greater restrictions.
Dr. Conspiracy
September 6, 2015
“True, but the Melendres case has nothing to do with the birth certificate.”
Responding to Jim who wrote:
“he represents the final word on the BC investigation. ”
I believe the Melendres case is the stepping stone in the direction of a possible criminal referral for obstruction on the part of Arpaio and some of his associates, IMHO. I am personally of the opinion that Zullo is a major player because Montgomery said in his Declaration to the court that he was working with the Cold Case Posse. And what was the main focus of Zullo’s efforts? The birth certificate. In any case, I would not want to be in Zullo’s shoes right about now. No way, no how.
Given his rather unfortunate history with picking experts, he should probably get someone with better luck to find one for him.
Does Angie’s list have a section for lawyers? Or maybe he could ask some of the real detectives at MCSO for the names of some defense attorneys who defeated what they thought were “airtight” cases 😈
I given many depositions in my time. It is standard practice for the introductory questioning to set the stage by exploring an individual’s history, credentials, relationships and associations. There will be questions about Zullo’s introduction to the MCSO and CCP and the birther work he was doing that led to his involvement with Montgomery and the Melendres case.
Moreover, the plaintiffs will be able to question Zullo regarding his general interactions and relationship with Arpaio. It may well go broad afield from the immediate issues in the Melendres contempt proceedings.
Sometimes answers given during a deposition will take the questioning down an entirely unexpected track. They’ve got four hours to let the deposition wander into provocative territory that illuminates Sheriff Joe’s personal conversations with Zullo about a range of related and tangential subject matters.
I agree that Zullo is a minor character in the Melendres matter, but his relationship with Arpaio in both the CCP and Seattle Operation means he’s got a story to tell and it won’t be helpful to the defense.
That is generally true. In New York depositions are sometimes held in the courthouse, in which case an attorney will sometimes make an objection and instruct the client not to answer while the objection is rushed to the judge’s chambers for a ruling.
Maybe we’ll finally get a straight answer from Zullo about his law enforcement experience in New Jersey.
Thanks for straightening me out on this important detail. Now I know something that Zoo Low does not know.
Rickey,
“Maybe we’ll finally get a straight answer from Zullo about his law enforcement experience in New Jersey.”
Maybe we’ll get a straight answer from Zullo regarding the news story about the guy who was reported to have impersonated “Officer Zullo” in New Jersey and was arrested by Zullo’s former chief?
Ooooo…….I don’t think I’ve heard/seen that one. Details?
(FWIW….I think Zullo has more than a little exposure for impersonating a peace officer in Arizona (and other places he traveled with his nifty posse badge.)
As much as we all love the details of the Zullo BC investigation, it is (for Arpaio) merely embarrassing, but nothing illegal. Any nut burger can launch any wacky “investigation” of a web image they want. And even the times Zullo has flirted with lawbreaking (impersonating a law enforcement officer in Hawaii for example) he was so incompetent to the task that nobody was fooled and no harm ultimately done.
It is certainly my hope (as appears generally true of most others) that the Zullo deposition will drop all sorts of humiliating tangential details that might fill out our understanding of his idiotic witch hunt, but other than its entertainment value, I don’t see the BC investigation as being capable of causing problems for Arpaio, and so not likely to be a subject of the deposition in any depth. It’ll get talked about. It’s role in making the connection between Arpaio and Montgomery will be established.
But Zullo’s use here to the Plaintiffs has little to do with the BC, so I suspect we still have unanswered questions when all is said and done.
Yeah, but claiming to be “official” when you’re not, claiming to have evidence when you don’t, and soliciting tax-deductible donations to support your wackiness is not the same as merely posting some nonsense on your blog or Youtube channel. I have yet to see even a semi-convincing explanation of why that’s not prosecutable fraud.
Excerpt from the Bergen County NJ Record
“Standoff Suspect had ’84 Gun Arrest by Current Demarest Chief”
October 23, 1992 by Jim Consoli
“The first incident began in Orangetown, N.Y., on the night of April 6, 1984, when Cucos got into an argument with the manager of a restaurant, said Orangetown Detective Sgt. Terry Hutmacher. Cucos allegedly threatened the manager with a revolver after stating that he was Demarest Police Officer Michael Zullo and showing a phony badge, police said.
> When the manager said he planned to call local police, Cucos fled.
> Zullo, who now works as a private detective in North Jersey, said he was contacted at about 10:30 that night by Powderley. After realizing that Zullo wasn’t the man in the restaurant, Powderley asked Zullo to help him find the suspect.
> “I remember Jimmy [Powderley] calling me and telling me to get down to headquarters immediately. It was a weekend night, and I was planning to go out,” Zullo said.”
Why did this guy choose to impersonate Officer Zullo?
Collecting the donations under false pretenses is absolutely fraud, it is theft by deception.
There are two things to consider, the obvious first being that Zullo might believe what he says.
Second thing is that Mike Zullo is believed to have said lots of things that he didn’t actually say. He has a way of leaving out key parts of statements and allowing the listener to fill in. I wrote about that in my article: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2015/02/mike-zullo-birther-misleader/
Well, A/Z collected a TON of donations from the public using an absolutely false story.
And I don’t see any way they couldn’t have known it was false.
Pete:
“Well, A/Z collected a TON of donations from the public using an absolutely false story.
And I don’t see any way they couldn’t have known it was false.”
The false perception that he is a law enforcement officer representing the authority of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. (Lieutenant; Detective; Arizona Lawman; Official Law Enforcement Investigation; blah, blah, blah)
That might be said of any birther.
So what is the latest on Shurfjoke anyway?
October 7, is fast approaching and it’s getting closer to the Zullo deposition and things are really not looking very good for Team Arpaio. It looks like A/Z day will happen albeit in a much different way than Birthers ever expected. The fireworks from the Melendres v. Arpaio contempt of court hearings resume next week on September 22, 2015. Welcome to the party Mr. Zullo.